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** The unnamed Pillar Woman in Kars' flashback is fairly popular herself for her [[AmazonianBeauty design]]. She has no lines and only appears for about 2 seconds, but she's gotten plenty of attention in fanart and fanfiction.
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* NeverLiveItDown: The infamous "[[DisguisedInDrag Tequila Joseph]]" scene only takes place in the span of a couple of pages, but you'd think from fanworks that Joseph was a lifelong drag queen who continued to enjoy crossdressing all the way into ''Stardust Crusaders''. It helps that noncanon spinoffs such as ''VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureEyesOfHeaven'' lean into it a fair amount.
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** During his fight with Kars, Joseph sets up a dummy with a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henohenomoheji henohenomoheji face]] on it as a decoy. One of the most famous roles of Creator/KazuhikoInoue, Kars' VA, is Kakashi in ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'', whose namesake refers to scarecrows which in Japan are often marked with a henohenomoheji on their faces.

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** During his fight with Kars, Joseph sets up a dummy with a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henohenomoheji henohenomoheji face]] on it as a decoy. One of When the most famous roles of manga was adapted into an anime, Kars was played by Creator/KazuhikoInoue, Kars' VA, one of whose most famous roles is Kakashi in ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'', whose namesake refers to scarecrows which in Japan are often marked with a henohenomoheji on their faces.
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* MemeticLoser: An odd case of this is Joseph Joestar himself, as while he's not twisted into being a weakling, it's joked that he's ''so'' bad at piloting that every plane he ever gets on will [[CaptainCrash inevitably crash]].
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** There is a fair amount of fans, and those that vaguely know the part, that assume Stroheim and Joseph became friends over the course of Part 2. This is ''not'' the case, as while the two find respect for one another and can ally for the cause of the Pillar Men, Joseph himself says he's only grateful that Stroheim is around because he's another force against the Pillar Men to even the odds a little bit, and [[spoiler:Stroheim goes right back to supporting Nazi Germany after everything is said and done. Joseph himself is more bothered that Stroheim couldn't upgrade his hand before the UK went against Germany, rather than lament that he's on the opposite side. They never even meet again before Stroheim's death.]] All in all, their relationship was always depicted as an EnemyMine, in contrast with Joseph's legitimate friendships with Smokey and Caesar.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Mark's death is supposed to be tragic, and just another factor in Caesar's vengeance to be rid of the Pillar Men as fast as possible-- But then considering Mark is an unapologetic '''Nazi''' who was rather enthusiastic about serving his country, and how little characterization he's given, the audience would not be blamed for simply not caring about what would otherwise be a sad scene.

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* QuestionableCasting: Fans were not fond of the dub's decision to give Stroheim an Arnold Schwarzenegger-like accent, making him sound less like the over-the-top character in the Japanese version. Many had wished the dub followed the same direction as the Japanese version and gave Stroheim an overly hammy English voice actor to match his personality.



* WTHCastingAgency: Fans were not fond of the dub's decision to give Stroheim an Arnold Schwarzenegger-like accent instead of having an overly hammy English voice actor much like the Japanese version.
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* CharacterPerceptionEvolution: Rudol von Stroheim was originally an EnsembleDarkhorse for his depiction as a LargeHam cyborg Nazi, which was cited as adding onto the part's over-the-top nature and led to him quickly becoming a FountainOfMemes. However, by the end of TheNewTens, he would become [[BaseBreakingCharacter much more divisive]], [[AmericansHateTingle especially in America]]. While the aforementioned traits still give him plenty of fans who chalk up his Nazism to DeliberateValuesDissonance, a large contingency of readers/viewers find it difficult to stomach the idea of him being an ally to the main heroes (albeit [[EnemyMine a temporary one]]) thanks to him being an actual Nazi who's not only wholly unrepentant in his actions, but is also seen performing actual Nazi practices and is directly responsible for [[NiceJobBreakingItHero making things worse even when he does try to help]].

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* CharacterPerceptionEvolution: Rudol von Stroheim was originally an EnsembleDarkhorse for his depiction as a LargeHam cyborg Nazi, which was cited as adding onto the part's over-the-top nature and led to him quickly becoming a FountainOfMemes. However, by the end of TheNewTens, he would become [[BaseBreakingCharacter much more divisive]], [[AmericansHateTingle especially in America]]. While the aforementioned traits still give him plenty of fans who chalk up his Nazism to DeliberateValuesDissonance, DeliberateValuesDissonance or think that his portrayal CrossesTheLineTwice, a large contingency of readers/viewers find it difficult to stomach the idea of him being an ally to the main heroes (albeit [[EnemyMine a temporary one]]) thanks to him being an actual Nazi who's not only wholly unrepentant in his actions, but is also seen performing actual Nazi practices and is directly responsible for [[NiceJobBreakingItHero making things worse even when he does try to help]].



* ValuesDissonance: The fact that Stroheim is an unrepentant Nazi, has done some horrific things in-universe (though he's at least portrayed as ALighterShadeOfBlack), and is still on the side of the heroes makes a lot of his scenes come across as awkward today, especially among Western audiences. At the time, Japan's alliance with Germany in World War II was still a relatively recent memory, and the Nazis, while their crimes were known, weren't as looked back on as negatively as they were and are elsewhere. Could be considered DeliberateValuesDissonance, since the story is set in 193'''''8''''', before World War II started and the true extent of how evil the Nazis were became widely known.

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* ValuesDissonance: The fact that Stroheim is an unrepentant Nazi, has done some horrific things in-universe (though he's at least portrayed as ALighterShadeOfBlack), and is still on the side of the heroes makes a lot of his scenes come across as awkward today, especially among Western audiences. At the time, Japan's alliance with Germany in World War II was still a relatively recent memory, and the Nazis, while their crimes were known, weren't as looked back on as negatively as they were and are elsewhere. Could be considered DeliberateValuesDissonance, since the story is set in 193'''''8''''', before World War II started and the true extent of how evil the Nazis were became widely known.known, but it also counts as unintentional Values Dissonance since it's unlikely that someone would try writing a Nazi character like this nowadays.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Rudol von Stroheim, once a popular EnsembleDarkhorse, has become this in recent years. Although many fans still think he's an absolutely hysterical LargeHam and a [[FountainOfMemes great source of memes]], there's a rather vocal amount of fans who detest him for being an actual Nazi who is nevertheless portrayed as one of the [[EnemyMine (temporary)]] [[NominalHero good guys]].

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Rudol von Stroheim, once a popular EnsembleDarkhorse, has become this in recent later years. Although many fans still think he's an absolutely hysterical LargeHam and a [[FountainOfMemes great source of memes]], there's a rather vocal amount of fans who detest him for being an actual Nazi who is nevertheless portrayed as one of the [[EnemyMine (temporary)]] ([[EnemyMine temporary]]) [[NominalHero good guys]].


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* OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow: Kars was the first {{invincible villain}} where their level is so high, so above the heroes that some readers were able to see a DeusExMachina coming to save them. Kars becomes an UltimateLifeForm who can use Hamon so powerful it melts its victim's body. Also, because of his new HealingFactor, he's immune to sunlight and cannot die. How do the heroes defeat him now? The series resolved it by having Kars trapped in a volcanic explosion that propels him into outer space, accomplished by a series of coincidences that is explained as nothing but a sheer luck.
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** Kars also sometimes gets treated as nicer than he is. His looks play one part in this, and so does the fact that Some point to how he tries to protect animal and plant life when he can, making him a notable aversion of BadPeopleAbuseAnimals in a series that loves the trope. However, he is much less honorable than Wamuu or Esidisi, using underhanded tricks in his fight against Lisa Lisa, and drops his animal lover attitude after [[spoiler:becoming the UltimateLifeform and treating all life as a tool to exploit to further his goals, even killing a squirrel ForTheEvulz]].

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** Kars also sometimes gets treated as nicer than he is. His looks play one part in this, and so does the fact that Some Part of this is due to his good looks, while others point to how he tries to protect him protecting animal and plant life when he can, making him a notable aversion of BadPeopleAbuseAnimals in a series that loves the trope. However, he is much less honorable than Wamuu or Esidisi, using underhanded tricks in his fight against Lisa Lisa, and drops his animal lover attitude after [[spoiler:becoming the UltimateLifeform and treating all life as a tool to exploit to further his goals, even killing a squirrel ForTheEvulz]].
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** Kars also sometimes gets treated as nicer than he is. Some point to how he tries to protect animal and plant life when he can, making him a notable aversion of BadPeopleAbuseAnimals in a series that loves the trope. However, he is much less honorable than Wamuu or Esidisi, using underhanded tricks in his fight against Lisa Lisa, and drops his animal lover attitude after [[spoiler:becoming the UltimateLifeform and treating all life as a tool to exploit to further his goals, even killing a squirrel ForTheEvulz]].

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** Kars also sometimes gets treated as nicer than he is. His looks play one part in this, and so does the fact that Some point to how he tries to protect animal and plant life when he can, making him a notable aversion of BadPeopleAbuseAnimals in a series that loves the trope. However, he is much less honorable than Wamuu or Esidisi, using underhanded tricks in his fight against Lisa Lisa, and drops his animal lover attitude after [[spoiler:becoming the UltimateLifeform and treating all life as a tool to exploit to further his goals, even killing a squirrel ForTheEvulz]].
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** Kars also sometimes gets treated as nicer than he is. [[EvilIsSexy His looks]] play one part in this, and so does the fact that he tries to protect animal and plant life when he can, making him a notable aversion of BadPeopleAbuseAnimals in a series that loves the trope. However, he is much less honorable than Wamuu or Esidisi, using underhanded tricks in his fight against Lisa Lisa, and drops his animal lover attitude after [[spoiler:becoming the UltimateLifeform and treating all life as a tool to exploit to further his goals, even killing a squirrel ForTheEvulz]].

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** Kars also sometimes gets treated as nicer than he is. [[EvilIsSexy His looks]] play one part in this, and so does the fact that Some point to how he tries to protect animal and plant life when he can, making him a notable aversion of BadPeopleAbuseAnimals in a series that loves the trope. However, he is much less honorable than Wamuu or Esidisi, using underhanded tricks in his fight against Lisa Lisa, and drops his animal lover attitude after [[spoiler:becoming the UltimateLifeform and treating all life as a tool to exploit to further his goals, even killing a squirrel ForTheEvulz]].
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* EvilIsSexy: The Pillar Men, due to them being the most blatant examples of {{Stripperiffic}} the franchise is often known for, to the point where many have referred to them as the [[MemeticMutation Aztec Gods of Fitness]].
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** Of the Pillar Men, Wamuu gets whitewashed the most thanks to his NobleDemon personality. The way he respects Joseph and Caesar as {{Worthy Opponent}}s, as well as his PetTheDog moments, cause some fans to view him as the TokenGoodTeammate of the Pillar Men. This is ignoring that he views 99% of humanity [[PunyHumans the same way humans view insects]], as shown when he casually kills Mark without even noticing, and that his UndyingLoyalty is towards Kars, who seeks to enslave all of mankind for his own benefit.

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** Of the Pillar Men, Wamuu gets whitewashed the most thanks to his NobleDemon personality. The way he respects Joseph and Caesar as {{Worthy Opponent}}s, as well as his PetTheDog moments, cause some fans to view him as the TokenGoodTeammate of the Pillar Men. This is ignoring that these two are outliers: he views 99% the rest of humanity [[PunyHumans the same way humans view insects]], as shown when he casually kills Mark without even noticing, and that his UndyingLoyalty is towards Kars, who seeks to enslave all of mankind for his own benefit.benefit. Had Wamuu succeeded, he would have gone on to mercilessly slaughter and devour humans at his leisure alongside the other Pillar Men.
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** While monologuing to [=JoJo=] over the unconscious Lisa Lisa, Kars... starts strumming her legs to air guitar. He does this for no reason other than [[KickTheDog to be an ass and taunt Joseph.]] Also worth noting that it's never mentioned how an ancient being that was being dorment for hundreds of years know what an eletric guitar is to being with.

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** While monologuing to [=JoJo=] over the unconscious Lisa Lisa, Kars... starts strumming her legs to air guitar. He does this for no reason other than [[KickTheDog to be an ass and taunt Joseph.]] Also worth noting that it's never mentioned how an ancient being that was being dorment for hundreds of years know what an eletric guitar is to being begin with.
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** After Wamuu released his masters Kars and Esidisi from their emprisonment, Kars accidentally steps on Wamuu's shadow. This caused the latter to instinctively attack the former. He quickly apologizes to his master and Kars does the same. That being said, stepping on Wamuu's shadow comes across as a [[ChekhovSGun Chekhov's Gun]], but no. It's never mentioned again.

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** After Wamuu released his masters Kars and Esidisi from their emprisonment, Kars accidentally steps on Wamuu's shadow. This caused the latter to instinctively attack the former. He quickly apologizes to his master and Kars does the same. That being said, stepping on Wamuu's shadow comes across as a [[ChekhovSGun Chekhov's Gun]], but no. It's never mentioned again. The anime, however, adds a brief scene of Caesar stepping in Wamuu's shadow when he first challenges him under Rome.
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* FandomSpecificPlot: Depicting the Pillar Men as a [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes family]], with Wamuu and [[TheUnfavorite Santana]] as [[HasTwoMommies Kars and Esidisi's adopted sons]]. Often played in such ways as GrotesqueCute, LighterAndSofter, and VillainsOutShopping.

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* FandomSpecificPlot: Depicting the Pillar Men as a [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes family]], with Wamuu and [[TheUnfavorite Santana]] as [[HasTwoMommies Kars and Esidisi's adopted sons]].sons. Often played in such ways as GrotesqueCute, LighterAndSofter, and VillainsOutShopping.

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* MoralEventHorizon:
** [[spoiler:Straizo crossed it by betraying Speedwagon and leaving him to die in order to [[TransHumanTreachery take the Stone Mask and become a vampire himself]], and then trying to kill Joseph -- his own ''adopted grandson'' -- afterward to pre-emptively remove him as a threat to his newfound power.]]
** Kars' fight against Lisa Lisa [[spoiler:involves using a body double to defeat her via cheating despite promising to fight her fairly is seen as this at least in the eyes of Joseph, since it disrespects the wishes of his deceased allies Esidisi and Wamuu.]]

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** [[spoiler:Straizo crossed it by betraying Speedwagon and leaving him to die in order to [[TransHumanTreachery take
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** Kars' fight against Lisa Lisa [[spoiler:involves using a body double to defeat her via cheating despite promising to fight her fairly is seen as
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** Creator/BrycePapenbrook’s performance as Caesar warrants this due to his poor accent, to the point where people will compare it to Billy from WesternAnimation/GrimAdventuresOfBillyAndMandy.

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** Creator/BrycePapenbrook’s performance as Caesar warrants this due to his poor accent, to the point where people will compare it to Billy from WesternAnimation/GrimAdventuresOfBillyAndMandy.

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** Straizo. As a returning character from Part 1 who turned evil, became a vampire and claims to have learned from Dio's mistakes, he might have made an interesting antagonist, but he ends up being taken out in Joseph's first major fight. His status as Lisa Lisa's ParentalSubstitute is only briefly touched upon, and while she says she has "complicated" feelings about Joseph killing him, she never elaborates.

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** Straizo. Straizo.
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*** One of the last things we see from Straizo before his death is that he fully percieves the danger and threat that comes from The Pillar Men and chooses to warn Joseph about it. Instead of dying at the end of that fight, Straizo could've also been used to better emphasize Santana's threat level by [[EnemyMine teaming up with Jojo and Stroheim]], showing a truly united front from humans and vampires. This almost seemed like it's what was going to occur when Joseph saved him from falling into the river, then Straizo activated the Ripple.
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* FairForItsDay: Nowadays, Lisa Lisa qualifies as a FauxActionGirl, but when ''Battle Tendency'' was first printed from 1987 to 1989, most of her competitors were characterized as one-note gender roles that never had a shot at the spotlight, such as StayInTheKitchen, NeutralFemale, MsFanservice, BehindEveryGreatMan, and BigBrotherInstinct. Hirohiko Araki has stated that he based Lisa Lisa off of a neighborhood girl who gave him hell during his childhood, and that the [[ExecutiveMeddling limitations imposed by his publisher]] and his audience kept him from making her any more realistic.

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* FairForItsDay: Nowadays, Lisa Lisa qualifies as a FauxActionGirl, but when ''Battle Tendency'' was first printed from 1987 to 1989, most of her competitors were characterized as one-note gender roles that never had a shot at the spotlight, such as StayInTheKitchen, NeutralFemale, MsFanservice, BehindEveryGreatMan, and BigBrotherInstinct. Hirohiko Araki has stated that he based Lisa Lisa off of a neighborhood girl who gave him hell during his childhood, and that he wished to have her be more proactive as a fighter, but that the [[ExecutiveMeddling limitations imposed by his publisher]] and his audience kept him from making her any more realistic.realistic, with the encounters she does have being the most he could get away with at the time.
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* AccidentalInnuendo: Lisa Lisa's idea of Ripple training entails Joseph and Caesar climbing a tall, cylindrical shaft of a tower that gushes oil out the top. DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything?

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* AccidentalInnuendo: Lisa Lisa's idea of Ripple Hamon training entails Joseph and Caesar climbing a tall, cylindrical shaft of a tower that gushes oil out the top. DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything?
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* AccidentalInnuendo: Lisa Lisa's idea of Ripple training entails Joseph and Caesar climbing a tall, cylindrical shaft of a tower that gushes oil out the top. DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything?

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