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* FanonDiscontinuity: A large part of the fandom likes to pretend that seasons 2 and 3 never happened.
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* EvilIsSexy: Kilgrave is played by the charming and handsome Creator/DavidTennant. He's also a [[SerialRapist garbage]] [[MindRape human]] [[ForTheEvulz being]].
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** [[Characters/MCUKevinThompson Kevin "Kilgrave" Thompson]] is an amoral, [[MindRape mind-controlling]] sociopath responsible for the ruination and deaths of countless lives. After gaining his powers due to his parents' painful, though well-intentioned, experiments on him, Kilgrave turned them into his slaves and grew up [[ItsAllAboutMe getting everything he wanted]], notably [[SerialRapist raping women]], ordering those who annoyed him to maim or [[PsychicAssistedSuicide kill themselves]], and tormenting children, simply because [[ForTheEvulz he felt like it]]. Kilgrave becomes obsessed with heroine [[Characters/MCUJessicaJones Jessica Jones]] when she breaks free of his control after he forced her to kill an innocent, and begins ruining her life by addicting her neighbors to drugs and having them kill themselves in her house, ordering one of her clients to murder her own parents in front of Jessica, and tries to manipulate her into becoming his slave again by holding people hostage by the dozen. Though seemingly caring for his parents, Kilgrave reveals his true colors as he forces his mother to stab herself to death and has his father taken apart limb by limb until he is dead. When seemingly beaten, Kilgrave orders dozens of innocents to kill each other just to distract Jessica, and uses his final act to proclaim his intent to make Jessica's sister Trish his new slave to be raped and tortured at his leisure. A [[EvilIsPetty petty]], [[PsychopathicManchild childish]] bully who wanted everyone to be his playthings while [[NeverMyFault never admitting true guilt to anything he did]], Kilgrave is one of the most despicable villains the MCU has to offer.

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** Season 1: [[Characters/MCUKevinThompson Kevin "Kilgrave" Thompson]] is an amoral, [[MindRape mind-controlling]] sociopath responsible for the ruination and deaths of countless lives. After gaining his powers due to his parents' painful, though well-intentioned, experiments on him, Kilgrave turned them into his slaves and grew up [[ItsAllAboutMe getting everything he wanted]], notably [[SerialRapist raping women]], ordering those who annoyed him to maim or [[PsychicAssistedSuicide kill themselves]], and tormenting children, simply because [[ForTheEvulz he felt like it]]. Kilgrave becomes obsessed with heroine [[Characters/MCUJessicaJones Jessica Jones]] when she breaks free of his control after he forced her to kill an innocent, and begins ruining her life by addicting her neighbors to drugs and having them kill themselves in her house, ordering one of her clients to murder her own parents in front of Jessica, and tries to manipulate her into becoming his slave again by holding people hostage by the dozen. Though seemingly caring for his parents, Kilgrave reveals his true colors as he forces his mother to stab herself to death and has his father taken apart limb by limb until he is dead. When seemingly beaten, Kilgrave orders dozens of innocents to kill each other just to distract Jessica, and uses his final act to proclaim his intent to make Jessica's sister Trish his new slave to be raped and tortured at his leisure. A [[EvilIsPetty petty]], [[PsychopathicManchild childish]] bully who wanted everyone to be his playthings while [[NeverMyFault never admitting true guilt to anything he did]], Kilgrave is one of the most despicable villains the MCU has to offer.

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* MoralEventHorizon:
** If Simpson [[spoiler:murdering Clemmons]] didn't cross this line, then [[spoiler:him trying to kill Jessica simply because she didn't kill Kilgrave earlier]] should.
** If Kilgrave's actions before the start of the series don't count, then he definitely crossed it when, to spite Jess, [[spoiler: he takes Trish and threatens to make her into his slave, just like he did to Jess. He even acknowledges that he'll be raping her again-and-again, and would have Trish kill herself if she ever saw Jess again]].
*** He crossed it in the very first episode when he orders Hope to shoot her parents in cold blood, and that's discounting the supposition that the only reason he did anything at all to Hope was to advertise to Jessica that he was back. And, of course, that's completely discounting everything he did ''before'' the series started, which was pretty vile.
** Sallinger [[spoiler: torturing and murdering Dorothy]] certainly qualifies, with even haters of that character agreeing that she didn't deserve ''that''.
** [[spoiler: Trish]] has many possible moments during Season 3, but when she [[spoiler: tries to kill her own sister in the finale]] that is the point where even she herself [[HeelRealization realizes]] that she is the bad guy.

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* MoralEventHorizon:
** If Simpson [[spoiler:murdering Clemmons]] didn't cross this line, then [[spoiler:him trying to kill Jessica simply because she didn't kill Kilgrave earlier]] should.
** If Kilgrave's actions before the start of the series don't count, then he definitely crossed it when, to spite Jess, [[spoiler: he takes Trish and threatens to make her into his slave, just like he did to Jess. He even acknowledges that he'll be raping her again-and-again, and would have Trish kill herself if she ever saw Jess again]].
*** He crossed it in the very first episode when he orders Hope to shoot her parents in cold blood, and that's discounting the supposition that the only reason he did anything at all to Hope was to advertise to Jessica that he was back. And, of course, that's completely discounting everything he did ''before'' the series started, which was pretty vile.
** Sallinger [[spoiler: torturing and murdering Dorothy]] certainly qualifies, with even haters of that character agreeing that she didn't deserve ''that''.
** [[spoiler: Trish]] has many possible moments during Season 3, but when she [[spoiler: tries to kill her own sister in the finale]] that is the point where even she herself [[HeelRealization realizes]] that she is the bad guy.
MoralEventHorizon: See [[MoralEventHorizon/MarvelCinematicUniverse here]].
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* AuthorsSavingThrow:
** Pre-release. The flak that the series got for the "A.K.A." in the name when there was nothing for it to be "'''A'''lso '''K'''nown '''A'''s" in the first place resulted in the series name dropping that part of the name, being instead just ''Jessica Jones''. The titles of the episodes have been released on Netflix and it appears that "AKA" at the beginning of each title has become the IdiosyncraticEpisodeNaming convention for this show.
** Jessica and Luke's first rather graphic sex scene was a FetishRetardant in the comic. Here, the show made it clear that both of them are just lonely and sleazy people and intentionally plays up with the discomfort of the situation.
** Season 1 got some {{Narm}} from its awkward refusal to refer to the Avengers by name. In Season 2, Oscar's son straight up asks Jessica if she knows Captain America.
** Season 2 essentially just pretends Robyn never existed after her intensely negative reception.
** Some viewers believed Jessica was ''too'' hostile to sympathize with, even when taking her traumatic experiences into account. The second season mitigates this by expanding on the traumas she suffered and putting her through some severe BreakTheHaughty treatment so that it becomes even more difficult to blame her for her attitude issues, combined with also giving her a relatively toxic-free romance with Oscar and some PetTheDog moments with his son Vido.
** Likewise, Jeri was something of a scrappy in the first season because of her selfish and manipulative actions, but the second season put her through a similar BreakTheHaughty storyline to make viewers at least empathize with her.
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** Kevin "[[Characters/MCUKevinThompson Kilgrave]]" Thompson is an amoral, [[MindRape mind-controlling]] sociopath responsible for the ruination and deaths of countless lives. After gaining his powers due to his parents' painful, though well-intentioned, experiments on him, Kilgrave turned them into his slaves and grew up [[ItsAllAboutMe getting everything he wanted]], notably [[SerialRapist raping women]], ordering those who annoyed him to maim or [[PsychicAssistedSuicide kill themselves]], and tormenting children, simply because [[ForTheEvulz he felt like it]]. Kilgrave becomes obsessed with heroine [[Characters/MCUJessicaJones Jessica Jones]] when she breaks free of his control after he forced her to kill an innocent, and begins ruining her life by addicting her neighbors to drugs and having them kill themselves in her house, ordering one of her clients to murder her own parents in front of Jessica, and tries to manipulate her into becoming his slave again by holding people hostage by the dozen. Though seemingly caring for his parents, Kilgrave reveals his true colors as he forces his mother to stab herself to death and has his father taken apart limb by limb until he is dead. When seemingly beaten, Kilgrave orders dozens of innocents to kill each other just to distract Jessica, and uses his final act to proclaim his intent to make Jessica's sister Trish his new slave to be raped and tortured at his leisure. A [[EvilIsPetty petty]], [[PsychopathicManchild childish]] bully who wanted everyone to be his playthings while [[NeverMyFault never admitting true guilt to anything he did]], Kilgrave is one of the most despicable villains the MCU has to offer.

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** [[Characters/MCUKevinThompson Kevin "[[Characters/MCUKevinThompson Kilgrave]]" Thompson "Kilgrave" Thompson]] is an amoral, [[MindRape mind-controlling]] sociopath responsible for the ruination and deaths of countless lives. After gaining his powers due to his parents' painful, though well-intentioned, experiments on him, Kilgrave turned them into his slaves and grew up [[ItsAllAboutMe getting everything he wanted]], notably [[SerialRapist raping women]], ordering those who annoyed him to maim or [[PsychicAssistedSuicide kill themselves]], and tormenting children, simply because [[ForTheEvulz he felt like it]]. Kilgrave becomes obsessed with heroine [[Characters/MCUJessicaJones Jessica Jones]] when she breaks free of his control after he forced her to kill an innocent, and begins ruining her life by addicting her neighbors to drugs and having them kill themselves in her house, ordering one of her clients to murder her own parents in front of Jessica, and tries to manipulate her into becoming his slave again by holding people hostage by the dozen. Though seemingly caring for his parents, Kilgrave reveals his true colors as he forces his mother to stab herself to death and has his father taken apart limb by limb until he is dead. When seemingly beaten, Kilgrave orders dozens of innocents to kill each other just to distract Jessica, and uses his final act to proclaim his intent to make Jessica's sister Trish his new slave to be raped and tortured at his leisure. A [[EvilIsPetty petty]], [[PsychopathicManchild childish]] bully who wanted everyone to be his playthings while [[NeverMyFault never admitting true guilt to anything he did]], Kilgrave is one of the most despicable villains the MCU has to offer.
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** Kevin "[[Characters/MCUKilgrave Kilgrave]]" Thompson is an amoral, [[MindRape mind-controlling]] sociopath responsible for the ruination and deaths of countless lives. After gaining his powers due to his parents' painful, though well-intentioned, experiments on him, Kilgrave turned them into his slaves and grew up [[ItsAllAboutMe getting everything he wanted]], notably [[SerialRapist raping women]], ordering those who annoyed him to maim or [[PsychicAssistedSuicide kill themselves]], and tormenting children, simply because [[ForTheEvulz he felt like it]]. Kilgrave becomes obsessed with heroine [[Characters/MCUJessicaJones Jessica Jones]] when she breaks free of his control after he forced her to kill an innocent, and begins ruining her life by addicting her neighbors to drugs and having them kill themselves in her house, ordering one of her clients to murder her own parents in front of Jessica, and tries to manipulate her into becoming his slave again by holding people hostage by the dozen. Though seemingly caring for his parents, Kilgrave reveals his true colors as he forces his mother to stab herself to death and has his father taken apart limb by limb until he is dead. When seemingly beaten, Kilgrave orders dozens of innocents to kill each other just to distract Jessica, and uses his final act to proclaim his intent to make Jessica's sister Trish his new slave to be raped and tortured at his leisure. A [[EvilIsPetty petty]], [[PsychopathicManchild childish]] bully who wanted everyone to be his playthings while [[NeverMyFault never admitting true guilt to anything he did]], Kilgrave is one of the most despicable villains the MCU has to offer.

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** Kevin "[[Characters/MCUKilgrave "[[Characters/MCUKevinThompson Kilgrave]]" Thompson is an amoral, [[MindRape mind-controlling]] sociopath responsible for the ruination and deaths of countless lives. After gaining his powers due to his parents' painful, though well-intentioned, experiments on him, Kilgrave turned them into his slaves and grew up [[ItsAllAboutMe getting everything he wanted]], notably [[SerialRapist raping women]], ordering those who annoyed him to maim or [[PsychicAssistedSuicide kill themselves]], and tormenting children, simply because [[ForTheEvulz he felt like it]]. Kilgrave becomes obsessed with heroine [[Characters/MCUJessicaJones Jessica Jones]] when she breaks free of his control after he forced her to kill an innocent, and begins ruining her life by addicting her neighbors to drugs and having them kill themselves in her house, ordering one of her clients to murder her own parents in front of Jessica, and tries to manipulate her into becoming his slave again by holding people hostage by the dozen. Though seemingly caring for his parents, Kilgrave reveals his true colors as he forces his mother to stab herself to death and has his father taken apart limb by limb until he is dead. When seemingly beaten, Kilgrave orders dozens of innocents to kill each other just to distract Jessica, and uses his final act to proclaim his intent to make Jessica's sister Trish his new slave to be raped and tortured at his leisure. A [[EvilIsPetty petty]], [[PsychopathicManchild childish]] bully who wanted everyone to be his playthings while [[NeverMyFault never admitting true guilt to anything he did]], Kilgrave is one of the most despicable villains the MCU has to offer.
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** Robyn causes Hope's death. Come ''Series/TheBoys2019'' and she's vindicated, as Creator/ErinMoriarty's character causes the dismissal of her "agent" played by Colby Minifie.

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** Robyn causes Hope's death. Come ''Series/TheBoys2019'' and she's vindicated, as Creator/ErinMoriarty's character causes the dismissal of her "agent" played by Colby Minifie.Creator/ColbyMinifie.
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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: Ruben expresses some qualities of a person with autism or Aspergers, such as his BrutalHonesty and DoggedNiceGuy-ness.

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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: Ruben expresses some qualities of a person with autism UsefulNotes/{{autism}} or Aspergers, UsefulNotes/{{Asperger|Syndrome}}, such as his BrutalHonesty and DoggedNiceGuy-ness.
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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: Ruben expresses some qualities of a person with autism or Aspergers, such as his BrutalHonesty and DoggedNiceGuy-ness.
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** Pre-release. The flak that the series got for the "A.K.A." in the name when there was nothing for it to be "'''A'''lso '''K'''nown '''A'''s" in the first place resulted in the series name dropping that part of the name, being instead just ''Jessica Jones''. The titles of the episodes have been released on Netflix and it appears that "AKA" at the beginning of each title has become the IdiosyncraticEpisodeNaming convention for this show. After the name was changed to "AKA Jessica Jones" on Disney+, this reverses this so the names of the episodes take after the name of the show again.

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** Pre-release. The flak that the series got for the "A.K.A." in the name when there was nothing for it to be "'''A'''lso '''K'''nown '''A'''s" in the first place resulted in the series name dropping that part of the name, being instead just ''Jessica Jones''. The titles of the episodes have been released on Netflix and it appears that "AKA" at the beginning of each title has become the IdiosyncraticEpisodeNaming convention for this show. After the name was changed to "AKA Jessica Jones" on Disney+, this reverses this so the names of the episodes take after the name of the show again.
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The recording in question doesn't actually really admit to much beyond breaking and entering, which was to retrieve a knife Jessica had that was stolen from a crime scene. Since the event is represented poorly it's being removed.


* IdiotPlot: The entire second half of Season 3 only happens because Jessica inexplicably forgets ''she has Sallinger's confession on tape'' where he admits to everything, with the recording never once being referenced again.

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** Season 3: [[ComicBook/{{Foolkiller}} Gregory Sallinger]] is a man defined by [[GreenEyedMonster envy]] and spite towards anyone he feels has more than him. A vicious sociopath from a young age who hated his "talentless hack" of a brother, Sallinger [[WouldHurtAChild murdered a child]] and taunted his parents with photos. Growing up, Sallinger [[ThePerfectionist fixated on those he felt were mediocrities]], torturing and [[SerialKiller murdering seven people]] while mocking them with the moment of their despair. Later torturing Jessica and her lover Erik with intent to murder them, Sallinger kidnaps [[spoiler: Dorothy, Trish's mother and Jessica's adoptive mother, and tortures her to death]]. A devious sadist out to hurt others to embiggen himself, Sallinger shows the darkest side of humanity.

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** Season 3: [[ComicBook/{{Foolkiller}} Gregory Sallinger]] is a man [[DrivenByEnvy defined by [[GreenEyedMonster envy]] envy and spite spite]] towards anyone he feels has more than him. A vicious sociopath from a young age who hated his "talentless hack" of a brother, Sallinger [[WouldHurtAChild murdered a child]] and taunted his parents with photos. Growing up, Sallinger [[ThePerfectionist fixated on those he felt were mediocrities]], torturing and [[SerialKiller murdering seven people]] while mocking them with the moment of their despair. Later torturing Jessica and her lover Erik with intent to murder them, Sallinger kidnaps [[spoiler: Dorothy, Trish's mother and Jessica's adoptive mother, and tortures her to death]].death. A devious sadist out to hurt others to embiggen himself, Sallinger shows the darkest side of humanity.
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** Pre-release. The flak that the series got for the "A.K.A." in the name when there was nothing for it to be "'''A'''lso '''K'''nown '''A'''s" in the first place resulted in the series name dropping that part of the name, being instead just ''Jessica Jones''. The titles of the episodes have been released on Netflix and it appears that "AKA" at the beginning of each title has become the IdiosyncraticEpisodeNaming convention for this show. After thee name was changed to "AKA Jessica Jones" on Disney+, this reverses this so the names of the episodes take after the name of the show again.

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** Pre-release. The flak that the series got for the "A.K.A." in the name when there was nothing for it to be "'''A'''lso '''K'''nown '''A'''s" in the first place resulted in the series name dropping that part of the name, being instead just ''Jessica Jones''. The titles of the episodes have been released on Netflix and it appears that "AKA" at the beginning of each title has become the IdiosyncraticEpisodeNaming convention for this show. After thee the name was changed to "AKA Jessica Jones" on Disney+, this reverses this so the names of the episodes take after the name of the show again.
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** Pre-release. The flak that the series got for the "A.K.A." in the name when there was nothing for it to be "'''A'''lso '''K'''nown '''A'''s" in the first place resulted in the series name dropping that part of the name, being instead just ''Jessica Jones''. The titles of the episodes have been released on Netflix and it appears that "AKA" at the beginning of each title has become the IdiosyncraticEpisodeNaming convention for this show.

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** Pre-release. The flak that the series got for the "A.K.A." in the name when there was nothing for it to be "'''A'''lso '''K'''nown '''A'''s" in the first place resulted in the series name dropping that part of the name, being instead just ''Jessica Jones''. The titles of the episodes have been released on Netflix and it appears that "AKA" at the beginning of each title has become the IdiosyncraticEpisodeNaming convention for this show. After thee name was changed to "AKA Jessica Jones" on Disney+, this reverses this so the names of the episodes take after the name of the show again.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Jessica herself comes off as this to a number of viewers. While she's clearly and understandably a damaged wreck of a person thanks to the traumatic experiences she endured while under Kilgrave's control, she often acts like a needlessly hostile jerk to everyone around her and her [[TherapyIsForTheWeak refusal to get any therapy]] for her trauma makes it feel like she's doing way more damage to herself than Kilgrave has. Not helping matters was that the ArcFatigue of the first season dragged out Jessica's character development, and it really didn't help that flashbacks showed she was almost exactly the same before she met Kilgrave. In season 2, Jessica's mom reveals that in fact, Jessica was ''always'' like this even ''before'' the car accident, despite Jessica's persistence that her closed off personality is the result of traumas like Stirling's death and Kilgrave.

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Jessica herself comes off as this to a number of viewers. While she's clearly and understandably a damaged wreck of a person thanks to the traumatic experiences she endured while under Kilgrave's control, she often acts like a needlessly hostile jerk to everyone around her and her [[TherapyIsForTheWeak refusal to get any therapy]] for her trauma makes it feel like she's doing way more damage to herself than Kilgrave has. Not helping matters was that the ArcFatigue of the first season dragged out Jessica's character development, and it really didn't help that flashbacks showed she was almost exactly the same before she met Kilgrave. In season 2, Jessica's mom reveals that in fact, Jessica was ''always'' like this even ''before'' the car accident, despite Jessica's persistence that her closed off personality is the result of traumas like Stirling's death and Kilgrave.



** While Kilgrave himself is far too monstrous as an adult to be UnintentionallySympathetic, despite what the show tries to say, his parents were not good and mostly innocent people who simply made some well-intentioned mistakes that unfortunately were extremely but unknowingly destructive. So, their son has a terminal brain disease and they want to cure that disease, like any good parent. But apparently, their best solution was to perform extremely painful experimental treatments without telling him why or giving him painkillers and talking in a cold, unloving voice when speaking to him. Yes, it's made clear that their son has [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse devolved beyond that torment]]. Yes, they had good intentions. But neither of those give ''them'' a free pass in their utter lack of scientific ethics and [[WhatAnIdiot basic awareness]].
* WhatAnIdiot:
** Kilgrave's parents, both scientists, are trying to save their child from a brain disease and so have to subject him to very painful experimental medicine.\\
'''You'd Expect''': They'd explain what they were doing and how important it was they do it. Sedate him if possible so he didn't go through extreme pain. At the very least, offer him comfort and consolation after each procedure.\\
'''Instead:''' Kilgrave's parents never explained what they were doing at any point, leading to Kilgrave believing he was born to be their guinea pig and hating them for the pain they put him through. When he gains powers, he wastes no time in making his parents do what he wants. They abandon him at the age of 10, leading into his growth as a PsychopathicManchild with the power to control people.
** In Season 2, Jessica has finally decided to turn [[spoiler:her mother]] in to the police. She has the contact of a detective who trusts her, and [[spoiler:her mother]] is currently in her apartment.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Jessica texting Costa, emailing him... ''anything'' but what she does.\\
'''Instead:''' Jessica ''calls'' Costa and tells him ''out loud'' where [[spoiler:her mother]] is, while ''knowing'' that [[spoiler:Alisa]] is in the next room and probably listening. She even ''leans on the door'', for God's sake!

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** While Kilgrave himself is far too monstrous as an adult to be UnintentionallySympathetic, despite what the show tries to say, his parents were not good and mostly innocent people who simply made some well-intentioned mistakes that unfortunately were extremely but unknowingly destructive. So, their son has a terminal brain disease and they want to cure that disease, like any good parent. But apparently, their best solution was to perform extremely painful experimental treatments without telling him why or giving him painkillers and talking in a cold, unloving voice when speaking to him. Yes, it's made clear that their son has [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse devolved beyond that torment]]. Yes, they had good intentions. But neither of those give ''them'' a free pass in their utter lack of scientific ethics and [[WhatAnIdiot basic awareness]].
* WhatAnIdiot:
** Kilgrave's parents, both scientists, are trying to save their child from a brain disease and so have to subject him to very painful experimental medicine.\\
'''You'd Expect''': They'd explain what they were doing and how important it was they do it. Sedate him if possible so he didn't go through extreme pain. At the very least, offer him comfort and consolation after each procedure.\\
'''Instead:''' Kilgrave's parents never explained what they were doing at any point, leading to Kilgrave believing he was born to be their guinea pig and hating them for the pain they put him through. When he gains powers, he wastes no time in making his parents do what he wants. They abandon him at the age of 10, leading into his growth as a PsychopathicManchild with the power to control people.
** In Season 2, Jessica has finally decided to turn [[spoiler:her mother]] in to the police. She has the contact of a detective who trusts her, and [[spoiler:her mother]] is currently in her apartment.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Jessica texting Costa, emailing him... ''anything'' but what she does.\\
'''Instead:''' Jessica ''calls'' Costa and tells him ''out loud'' where [[spoiler:her mother]] is, while ''knowing'' that [[spoiler:Alisa]] is in the next room and probably listening. She even ''leans on the door'', for God's sake!
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** While Kilgrave himself is far too monstrous as an adult to be UnintentionallySympathetic, despite what the show tries to say, they were not good and mostly innocent people who simply made some well-intentioned mistakes that unfortunately were extremely but unknowingly destructive. So, their son has a terminal brain disease and they want to cure that disease, like any good parent. But apparently, their best solution was to perform extremely painful experimental treatments without telling him why or giving him painkillers and talking in a cold, unloving voice when speaking to him. Yes, it's made clear that their son has [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse devolved beyond that torment]]. Yes, they had good intentions. But neither of those give ''them'' a free pass in their utter lack of scientific ethics and [[WhatAnIdiot basic awareness]].

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** While Kilgrave himself is far too monstrous as an adult to be UnintentionallySympathetic, despite what the show tries to say, they his parents were not good and mostly innocent people who simply made some well-intentioned mistakes that unfortunately were extremely but unknowingly destructive. So, their son has a terminal brain disease and they want to cure that disease, like any good parent. But apparently, their best solution was to perform extremely painful experimental treatments without telling him why or giving him painkillers and talking in a cold, unloving voice when speaking to him. Yes, it's made clear that their son has [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse devolved beyond that torment]]. Yes, they had good intentions. But neither of those give ''them'' a free pass in their utter lack of scientific ethics and [[WhatAnIdiot basic awareness]].
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** While Kilgrave himself is far too monstrous as an adult to be UnintentionallySympathetic, despite what the show tries to say, they were not good and mostly innocent people who simply made some well-intentioned mistakes that unfortunately were extremely but unknowingly destructive. So, their son has a terminal brain disease and they want to cure that disease, like any good parent. But apparently, their best solution was to perform extremely painful experimental treatments without telling him why or giving him painkillers and talking in a cold, unloving voice when speaking to him. Yes, it's made clear that their son has [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse devolved beyond that torment]]. Yes, they had good intentions. But neither of those give ''them'' a free pass in their utter lack of scientific ethics and [[WhatAnIdiot basic awareness]].
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She's a Jerk With A Heart Of Gold, which is a Sub Trope of Jerkass as revealed in Super Trope.


* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Jessica herself comes off as this to a number of viewers. While she's clearly and understandably a damaged wreck of a person thanks to the traumatic experiences she endured while under Kilgrave's control, she often acts like a needlessly hostile JerkAss to everyone around her and her [[TherapyIsForTheWeak refusal to get any therapy]] for her trauma makes it feel like she's doing way more damage to herself than Kilgrave has. Not helping matters was that the ArcFatigue of the first season dragged out Jessica's character development, and it really didn't help that flashbacks showed she was almost exactly the same before she met Kilgrave. In season 2, Jessica's mom reveals that in fact, Jessica was ''always'' like this even ''before'' the car accident, despite Jessica's persistence that her closed off personality is the result of traumas like Stirling's death and Kilgrave.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Jessica herself comes off as this to a number of viewers. While she's clearly and understandably a damaged wreck of a person thanks to the traumatic experiences she endured while under Kilgrave's control, she often acts like a needlessly hostile JerkAss jerk to everyone around her and her [[TherapyIsForTheWeak refusal to get any therapy]] for her trauma makes it feel like she's doing way more damage to herself than Kilgrave has. Not helping matters was that the ArcFatigue of the first season dragged out Jessica's character development, and it really didn't help that flashbacks showed she was almost exactly the same before she met Kilgrave. In season 2, Jessica's mom reveals that in fact, Jessica was ''always'' like this even ''before'' the car accident, despite Jessica's persistence that her closed off personality is the result of traumas like Stirling's death and Kilgrave.
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** Kilgrave basically functions as an avatar of rape culture, including forcing women to smile for his amusement, his victims being prosecuted and punished more harshly than he is, said victims hurting themselves to abort an abuser's child, stalking a woman and ruining her life because he can't own her, hiding safely behind a society that believes he doesn't exist, and selectively interpreting past and present events so that he looks much nobler and sympathetic than he really is. Of course, this is taken UpToEleven because his powers themselves force people to do things without their consent.

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** Kilgrave basically functions as an avatar of rape culture, including forcing women to smile for his amusement, his victims being prosecuted and punished more harshly than he is, said victims hurting themselves to abort an abuser's child, stalking a woman and ruining her life because he can't own her, hiding safely behind a society that believes he doesn't exist, and selectively interpreting past and present events so that he looks much nobler and sympathetic than he really is. Of course, this is taken UpToEleven to fantastic proportions because his powers themselves force people to do things without their consent.
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'''Alisa Jones:''' Oh, really? Didn't [[Music/KurtCobain that guy]] commit suicide? \\
''Jessica Jones:''' So what other memories of mine do you want to crush?

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'''Alisa Jones:''' Oh, really? Didn't [[Music/KurtCobain that guy]] commit suicide? \\
''Jessica
suicide?\\
'''Jessica
Jones:''' So what other memories of mine do you want to crush?
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''Alisa Jones:''' You were like that before the accident.\\

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''Alisa '''Alisa Jones:''' You were like that before the accident.\\
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-->'''Alisa Jones:''' Jesus, you're good at shutting yourself down.
-->'''Jessica Jones:''' Maybe it's because I'm afraid people will tragically die on me. ''[waves her arms]'' [[SarcasmMode Wonder where I got that from!]]
-->'''Alisa Jones:''' You were like that before the accident.
-->'''Jessica Jones:''' [[SelfServingMemory No I wasn't.]]
-->'''Alisa Jones:''' You didn't have any friends, you refused to play team sports, you locked yourself in your room all day, playing depressing rock.
-->'''Jessica Jones:''' Music/{{Nirvana}} isn't depressing.
-->'''Alisa Jones:''' Oh, really? Didn't that guy[[labelnote:*]]Kurt Cobain[[/labelnote]] commit suicide?
-->'''Jessica Jones:''' So what other memories of mine do you want to crush?

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-->'''Alisa Jones:''' Jesus, you're good at shutting yourself down.
-->'''Jessica
down.\\
'''Jessica
Jones:''' Maybe it's because I'm afraid people will tragically die on me. ''[waves her arms]'' [[SarcasmMode Wonder where I got that from!]]
-->'''Alisa
from!]]\\
''Alisa
Jones:''' You were like that before the accident.
-->'''Jessica
accident.\\
'''Jessica
Jones:''' [[SelfServingMemory No I wasn't.]]
-->'''Alisa
]]\\
'''Alisa
Jones:''' You didn't have any friends, you refused to play team sports, you locked yourself in your room all day, playing depressing rock.
-->'''Jessica
rock.\\
'''Jessica
Jones:''' Music/{{Nirvana}} isn't depressing.
-->'''Alisa
depressing.\\
'''Alisa
Jones:''' Oh, really? Didn't [[Music/KurtCobain that guy[[labelnote:*]]Kurt Cobain[[/labelnote]] guy]] commit suicide?
-->'''Jessica
suicide? \\
''Jessica
Jones:''' So what other memories of mine do you want to crush?
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restoring this, as it still applies with another trope

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* TooBleakStoppedCaring:
** Besides the questionable likeability of the cast, with Luke Cage as really the '''only one''' of the main heroic characters who isn't habitually rude, an opportunist or a downright {{Jerkass}}, this show might get hit with this even worse than ''Series/{{Daredevil 2015}}''. While in ''Daredevil'', it was understandable that Wilson Fisk took so long to topple thanks to all his supporting pillars, Kilgrave is essentially ''one man'', yet so many people die or have their lives shattered to catch him that it's easy to scream WhyDontYouJustShootHim, which some characters even bring up InUniverse. Even worse is the fact that the reason they ''can't'' kill him [[spoiler:turns out to be AllForNothing at the end.]] It's possible for the audience to feel numb to Kilgrave's atrocities after a while because there's just ''so'' many victims and he screws them all over in so many over-the-top ways that some viewers plateau in their disgust. For example, Hope goes through such a TraumaCongaLine that some people flat out checked-out halfway through it all and those that didn't felt that [[spoiler:her suicide was a ''blessing''.]]
** Comes full circle in Season 2, where Trish Walker--the most unambiguously good character in Season 1--TookALevelInJerkass and became as broken and fallible as the rest of the cast. Some viewers did not enjoy having the last character they could root for and identify with taken from them. With the series now a ''complete'' WorldOfJerkass, it becomes a little bit harder to care.
** In the second episode of Season 3, it's revealed that Jessica has broken up with Oscar, the main love interest from the previous season, all because she couldn't let him inside her life. In other words she has had absolutely zero CharacterDevelopment since the show began, which for some makes it a little hard to be invested in her since no matter what good things happen to her, she's always going to be an antisocial alcoholic.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation:

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
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EDW is Definition-Only now.


* EightDeadlyWords:
** Besides the questionable likeability of the cast, with Luke Cage as really the '''only one''' of the main heroic characters who isn't habitually rude, an opportunist or a downright {{Jerkass}}, this show might get hit with this even worse than ''Series/{{Daredevil 2015}}''. While in ''Daredevil'', it was understandable that Wilson Fisk took so long to topple thanks to all his supporting pillars, Kilgrave is essentially ''one man'', yet so many people die or have their lives shattered to catch him that it's easy to scream WhyDontYouJustShootHim, which some characters even bring up InUniverse. Even worse is the fact that the reason they ''can't'' kill him [[spoiler:turns out to be AllForNothing at the end.]] It's possible for the audience to feel numb to Kilgrave's atrocities after a while because there's just ''so'' many victims and he screws them all over in so many over-the-top ways that some viewers plateau in their disgust. For example, Hope goes through such a TraumaCongaLine that some people flat out checked-out halfway through it all and those that didn't felt that [[spoiler:her suicide was a ''blessing''.]]
** Comes full circle in Season 2, where Trish Walker--the most unambiguously good character in Season 1--TookALevelInJerkass and became as broken and fallible as the rest of the cast. Some viewers did not enjoy having the last character they could root for and identify with taken from them. With the series now a ''complete'' WorldOfJerkass, it becomes a little bit harder to care.
** In the second episode of Season 3, it's revealed that Jessica has broken up with Oscar, the main love interest from the previous season, all because she couldn't let him inside her life. In other words she has had absolutely zero CharacterDevelopment since the show began, which for some makes it a little hard to be invested in her since no matter what good things happen to her, she's always going to be an antisocial alcoholic.

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: In the tenth episode of season one, Jessica is asked by [[spoiler:Kilgrave's father]] to give a bio sample, and she says in a sarcastic tone, "Take my spleen if you think it'll help." [[spoiler:In season 3 she has to have her spleen removed after being stabbed by Sallinger]]


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** In the tenth episode of season one, Jessica is asked by [[spoiler:Kilgrave's father]] to give a bio sample, and she says in a sarcastic tone, "Take my spleen if you think it'll help." [[spoiler:In season 3 she has to have her spleen removed after being stabbed by Sallinger]]
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Has an impact on entire series, with cameos during Jessica's darkest hours in the proceeding seasons; Ravok, who got him approved, said he was fine either way with it being listed or not.


** Season 1: Kevin "[[Characters/MCUKilgrave Kilgrave]]" Thompson is an amoral, [[MindRape mind-controlling]] sociopath responsible for the ruination and deaths of countless lives. After gaining his powers due to his parents' painful, though well-intentioned, experiments on him, Kilgrave turned them into his slaves and grew up [[ItsAllAboutMe getting everything he wanted]], notably [[SerialRapist raping women]], ordering those who annoyed him to maim or [[PsychicAssistedSuicide kill themselves]], and tormenting children, simply because [[ForTheEvulz he felt like it]]. Kilgrave becomes obsessed with heroine [[Characters/MCUJessicaJones Jessica Jones]] when she breaks free of his control after he forced her to kill an innocent, and begins ruining her life by addicting her neighbors to drugs and having them kill themselves in her house, ordering one of her clients to murder her own parents in front of Jessica, and tries to manipulate her into becoming his slave again by holding people hostage by the dozen. Though seemingly caring for his parents, Kilgrave reveals his true colors as he forces his mother to stab herself to death and has his father taken apart limb by limb until he is dead. When seemingly beaten, Kilgrave orders dozens of innocents to kill each other just to distract Jessica, and uses his final act to proclaim his intent to make Jessica's sister Trish his new slave to be raped and tortured at his leisure. A [[EvilIsPetty petty]], [[PsychopathicManchild childish]] bully who wanted everyone to be his playthings while [[NeverMyFault never admitting true guilt to anything he did]], Kilgrave is one of the most despicable villains the MCU has to offer.

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** Season 1: Kevin "[[Characters/MCUKilgrave Kilgrave]]" Thompson is an amoral, [[MindRape mind-controlling]] sociopath responsible for the ruination and deaths of countless lives. After gaining his powers due to his parents' painful, though well-intentioned, experiments on him, Kilgrave turned them into his slaves and grew up [[ItsAllAboutMe getting everything he wanted]], notably [[SerialRapist raping women]], ordering those who annoyed him to maim or [[PsychicAssistedSuicide kill themselves]], and tormenting children, simply because [[ForTheEvulz he felt like it]]. Kilgrave becomes obsessed with heroine [[Characters/MCUJessicaJones Jessica Jones]] when she breaks free of his control after he forced her to kill an innocent, and begins ruining her life by addicting her neighbors to drugs and having them kill themselves in her house, ordering one of her clients to murder her own parents in front of Jessica, and tries to manipulate her into becoming his slave again by holding people hostage by the dozen. Though seemingly caring for his parents, Kilgrave reveals his true colors as he forces his mother to stab herself to death and has his father taken apart limb by limb until he is dead. When seemingly beaten, Kilgrave orders dozens of innocents to kill each other just to distract Jessica, and uses his final act to proclaim his intent to make Jessica's sister Trish his new slave to be raped and tortured at his leisure. A [[EvilIsPetty petty]], [[PsychopathicManchild childish]] bully who wanted everyone to be his playthings while [[NeverMyFault never admitting true guilt to anything he did]], Kilgrave is one of the most despicable villains the MCU has to offer.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As pointed out above in BaseBreakingCharacter, Jessica herself comes off as this to a number of viewers. While she's clearly and understandably a damaged wreck of a person thanks to the traumatic experiences she endured while under Kilgrave's control, she often acts like a needlessly hostile JerkAss to everyone around her and her [[TherapyIsForTheWeak refusal to get any therapy]] for her trauma makes it feel like she's doing way more damage to herself than Kilgrave has. Not helping matters was that the ArcFatigue of the first season dragged out Jessica's character development, and it really didn't help that flashbacks showed she was almost exactly the same before she met Kilgrave. In season 2, Jessica's mom reveals that in fact, Jessica was ''always'' like this even ''before'' the car accident, despite Jessica's persistence that her closed off personality is the result of traumas like Stirling's death and Kilgrave.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: As pointed out above in BaseBreakingCharacter, Jessica herself comes off as this to a number of viewers. While she's clearly and understandably a damaged wreck of a person thanks to the traumatic experiences she endured while under Kilgrave's control, she often acts like a needlessly hostile JerkAss to everyone around her and her [[TherapyIsForTheWeak refusal to get any therapy]] for her trauma makes it feel like she's doing way more damage to herself than Kilgrave has. Not helping matters was that the ArcFatigue of the first season dragged out Jessica's character development, and it really didn't help that flashbacks showed she was almost exactly the same before she met Kilgrave. In season 2, Jessica's mom reveals that in fact, Jessica was ''always'' like this even ''before'' the car accident, despite Jessica's persistence that her closed off personality is the result of traumas like Stirling's death and Kilgrave.
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* RealismInducedHorror: Kilgrave gains a lot of praise because, mind control abilities aside, he's like several different kinds of abusers rolled into one.

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