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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Akane Kousaka is set up to look just like one of these, until it's {{subverted|Trope}} beautifully. At first, her trying to get Eriri and Utaha to go behind Tomoya's back to work with her, and her harsh criticism of the circle's members, make her look like the personification of AmbitionIsEvil, seemingly leading to an ending where the two will choose their friends over fame and money. But every point Akane brings up is entirely correct: Eriri's talent is being wasted by working for a doujin circle of middling popularity. Tomoya has no idea how to bring out the best in her and basically lets her do whatever she wants; a real publishing company wouldn't tolerate her frequent mood swings and periods of refusal to draw anything, because there are many more artists out there who would be more productive and would jump at the opportunity to work for such a well-known name. Being brought down a peg may seem overly harsh, but it's the only way in which Eriri can succeed in the professional world of media, and her current situation does not allow her to do that. Ultimately, Tomoya ''agrees'' with Akane's criticisms and pushes the two to go work with her; while he's hurt by them having to move away, he also acknowledges that with their talent far outshining his and carrying the doujin circle on their backs, [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome it was inevitable that someone bigger would come calling]].



* VanillaProtagonist: {{Invoked}}. Megumi is considered "boring" in the beginning of the series and doesn't seem to stand out or fit into any defined heroine archetype. The focus of the series is her evolution into a proper heroine. Although Tomoyoa also points out that being bland most of the time makes her occasional moments of cuteness more memorable.
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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8utx4ZDSps Cherish You]], Michiru's ImageSong, is ''very'' similar to the opening of Anime/OneWeekFriends, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkqTryXjQQQ Niji no Kakera]], especially when it gets to the chorus.

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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8utx4ZDSps com/watch?v=YkTXzO3I1J4 Cherish You]], Michiru's ImageSong, is ''very'' similar to the opening of Anime/OneWeekFriends, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkqTryXjQQQ com/watch?v=D4JXy4kYfIY Niji no Kakera]], especially when it gets to the chorus.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Akane Kousaka is set up to look just like one of these, until it's {{subverted|Trope}} beautifully. At first, her trying to get Eriri and Utaha to go behind Tomoya's back to work with her, and her harsh criticism of the circle's members, make her look like the personification of AmbitionIsEvil, seemingly leading to an ending where the two will choose their friends over fame and money. But every point Akane brings up is entirely correct: Eriri's talent is being wasted by working for a doujin circle of middling popularity. Tomoya has no idea how to bring out the best in her and basically lets her do whatever she wants; a real publishing company wouldn't tolerate her frequent mood swings and periods of refusal to draw anything, because there are many more artists out there who would be more productive and would jump at the opportunity to work for such a well-known name. Being brought down a peg may seem overly harsh, but it's the only way in which Eriri can succeed in the professional world of media, and her current situation does not allow her to do that. Ultimately, Tomoya ''agrees'' with Akane's criticisms and pushes the two to go work with her; while he's hurt by them having to move away, he also acknowledges that with their talent far outshining his and carrying the doujin circle on their backs, [[RealityEnsues it was inevitable that someone bigger would come calling]].

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Akane Kousaka is set up to look just like one of these, until it's {{subverted|Trope}} beautifully. At first, her trying to get Eriri and Utaha to go behind Tomoya's back to work with her, and her harsh criticism of the circle's members, make her look like the personification of AmbitionIsEvil, seemingly leading to an ending where the two will choose their friends over fame and money. But every point Akane brings up is entirely correct: Eriri's talent is being wasted by working for a doujin circle of middling popularity. Tomoya has no idea how to bring out the best in her and basically lets her do whatever she wants; a real publishing company wouldn't tolerate her frequent mood swings and periods of refusal to draw anything, because there are many more artists out there who would be more productive and would jump at the opportunity to work for such a well-known name. Being brought down a peg may seem overly harsh, but it's the only way in which Eriri can succeed in the professional world of media, and her current situation does not allow her to do that. Ultimately, Tomoya ''agrees'' with Akane's criticisms and pushes the two to go work with her; while he's hurt by them having to move away, he also acknowledges that with their talent far outshining his and carrying the doujin circle on their backs, [[RealityEnsues [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome it was inevitable that someone bigger would come calling]].
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** "Hitamuki no Omoi" is practically one copyright strike away from Bill Withers's "Lovely Day". The choice of guitars and the piano and keyboard melodies are especially reminiscent of the lyrics of the latter song.

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** "Hitamuki "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmzfxbLFDgg Hitamuki no Omoi" Omoi]]" is practically one copyright strike away from Bill Withers's "Lovely Day". The choice of guitars and the piano and keyboard melodies are especially reminiscent of the lyrics of the latter song.
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** "Hitamuki no Omoi" is practically one copyright strike away from Music/BillWithers's "Lovely Day". The choice of guitars and the piano and keyboard melodies are especially reminiscent of the lyrics of the latter song.

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** "Hitamuki no Omoi" is practically one copyright strike away from Music/BillWithers's Bill Withers's "Lovely Day". The choice of guitars and the piano and keyboard melodies are especially reminiscent of the lyrics of the latter song.
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** "Hitamuki no Omoi" is practically one copyright strike away from Creator/BillWithers's "Lovely Day". The choice of guitars and the piano and keyboard melodies are especially reminiscent of the lyrics of the latter song.

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** "Hitamuki no Omoi" is practically one copyright strike away from Creator/BillWithers's Music/BillWithers's "Lovely Day". The choice of guitars and the piano and keyboard melodies are especially reminiscent of the lyrics of the latter song.

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* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8utx4ZDSps Cherish You]], Michiru's ImageSong, is ''very'' similar to the opening of Anime/OneWeekFriends, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkqTryXjQQQ Niji no Kakera]], especially when it gets to the chorus.

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[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8utx4ZDSps Cherish You]], Michiru's ImageSong, is ''very'' similar to the opening of Anime/OneWeekFriends, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkqTryXjQQQ Niji no Kakera]], especially when it gets to the chorus.chorus.
** "Hitamuki no Omoi" is practically one copyright strike away from Creator/BillWithers's "Lovely Day". The choice of guitars and the piano and keyboard melodies are especially reminiscent of the lyrics of the latter song.
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* MemeticLoser: Poor Eriri. While a portion of fans already have their grievances with her, her rejection in the final arc of the series along with her spinoff manga ending with her not dating Tomoya (a fate not shared by Megumi or Utaha) cements her as a romantic loser in her detractors' eyes.
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* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8utx4ZDSps Cherish You]], Michiru's ImageSong, is ''very'' similar to the opening of Anime/OneWeekFriends, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkqTryXjQQQ Niji no Kakera]], especially when it gets to the chorus.
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* VanillaProtagonist: {{Invoked}}. Megumi is considered "boring" in the beginning of the series and doesn't seem to stand out or fit into any defined heroine archetype. The focus of the series is her evolution into a proper heroine.

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* VanillaProtagonist: {{Invoked}}. Megumi is considered "boring" in the beginning of the series and doesn't seem to stand out or fit into any defined heroine archetype. The focus of the series is her evolution into a proper heroine. Although Tomoyoa also points out that being bland most of the time makes her occasional moments of cuteness more memorable.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Akane Kousaka is set up to look just like one of these, until it's {{subverted|Trope}} beautifully. At first, her trying to get Eriri and Utaha to go behind Tomoya's back to work with her, and her harsh criticism of the circle's members, make her look like the personification of AmbitionIsEvil, seemingly leading to an ending where the two will choose their friends over fame and money. But every point Akane brings up is entirely correct: Eriri's talent is being wasted by working for a doujin circle of middling popularity. Tomoya has no idea how to bring out the best in her and basically lets her do whatever she wants; a real publishing company wouldn't tolerate her frequent mood swings and periods of refusal to draw anything, because there are many more artists out there who would be more productive and would jump at the opportunity to work for such a well-known name. Being brought down a peg may seem overly harsh, but it's the only way in which Eriri can succeed in the professional world of media, and her current situation does not allow her to do that. Ultimately, Tomoya ''agrees'' with Akane's criticisms and pushes the two to go work with her; while he's hurt by them having to move away, he also acknowledges that with their talent far outshining his and carrying the doujin circle on their backs, [[RealityEnsues it was inevitable that someone bigger would come calling]].


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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
** Tomoya; while he does have a right to be pissed about [[spoiler:how Eriri threw him under the bus to be bullied instead of standing up for him as a kid]], he comes across as a petty asshole for being hung up on it for years (and the fact that said bullying doesn't really seem to affect him anymore makes it look even worse). Eriri, in contrast, while still being pretty abrasive, does seem to have changed and is helping him out for no pay and with no ulterior motives other than their friendship, but [[UngratefulBastard he refuses to acknowledge any of the things she's done for him or thank her for her time and effort because he's still holding a grudge for something that happened years ago]].
** Earlier, he attempted to badger Megumi into revealing the details of what she was doing when he found out she was going to do something on the weekend with an older boy, up to the point of going along uninvited and attempting to sabotage it out of jealousy. While it's swept under the rug when it's revealed the boy is her older cousin she hadn't seen in a while, he completely missed the fact that what she chooses to do on her own free time is none of his business in the first place.
** Megumi [[spoiler:coldly rebuffing Tomoya after she finds out about Eriri's overwork and collapse, for not telling her about it]]. Nothing she'd said before made it seem like she cared about intensely personal things like that, but she treats Tomoya coldly for basically not being able to read her mind (and this is someone she knows to be slightly poor with social cues to begin with). It's impossible to blame him for rushing to the side of someone he's known for his entire life, but Megumi does, and the story expects the reader to side with her, but to most she ends up looking unreasonable.
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** Tomoya was immensely hated for his ObliviousToLove tendencies towards Utaha since her acts of flirtation were [[EveryoneCanSeeIt way too obvious not to notice]][[note]][[TheGadfly though her constantly screwing with him and not being straightforward with him in general doesn't exactly help her case...]][[/note]], letting [[spoiler: Eriri go off on her own and collapsing during the Winter Comiket part]] and the fact that [[spoiler: it took him two months to finally apologize to and acknowledge Megumi when she was angry at him.]] Needless to say, a good number of people were happy when [[spoiler: Utaha and Eriri left him to go work for Akane.]]
** Eriri was hated when it was revealed in the first season that [[spoiler: she abandoned Tomoya during their childhood due to being teased about liking anime and leaving him to take all of the blame

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** Tomoya was immensely hated during the season season for his ObliviousToLove tendencies towards Utaha since her acts of flirtation were [[EveryoneCanSeeIt way too obvious not to notice]][[note]][[TheGadfly though notice]][[note]]though to be fair, [[TheGadfly her constantly screwing with him and not being straightforward with him in general doesn't exactly help her case...]][[/note]], case]][[/note]], letting [[spoiler: Eriri go off on her own and collapsing during the Winter Comiket part]] and the fact that [[spoiler: it took him two months to finally apologize to and acknowledge Megumi when she was angry at him.]] Needless to say, a good number of people were happy when [[spoiler: Utaha and Eriri left him to go work for Akane.]]
** Eriri was hated when it was revealed in the first season that [[spoiler: she abandoned Tomoya during their childhood due to being teased about liking anime and leaving him to take all of the blameteasing and bullying to protect her own image, which left him bitter about the entire ordeal.]] While the second season tried to have her RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap, the hatred came back full force when [[spoiler: she went behind Tomoya's back by working for Akane and not saying anything to him for a month, and even lampshading that she was betraying him once more.]]
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** Tomoya was immensely hated for his ObliviousToLove tendencies towards Utaha [[EveryoneCanSeeIt (who doesn't really hide the fact that she likes him0]], letting [[spoiler: Eriri go off on her own and collapsing during the Winter Comiket part]] and the fact that [[spoiler: it took him two months to finally apologize to and acknowledge Megumi when she was angry at him.]] Needless to say, a good number of people were happy when [[spoiler: Utaha and Eriri left him to go work for Akane.]]

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** Tomoya was immensely hated for his ObliviousToLove tendencies towards Utaha since her acts of flirtation were [[EveryoneCanSeeIt (who way too obvious not to notice]][[note]][[TheGadfly though her constantly screwing with him and not being straightforward with him in general doesn't really hide the fact that she likes him0]], exactly help her case...]][[/note]], letting [[spoiler: Eriri go off on her own and collapsing during the Winter Comiket part]] and the fact that [[spoiler: it took him two months to finally apologize to and acknowledge Megumi when she was angry at him.]] Needless to say, a good number of people were happy when [[spoiler: Utaha and Eriri left him to go work for Akane.]]

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* TheScrappy: Michiru slides into this as of the second season of the anime. While almost every other character gets CharacterDevelopment, her entire personality seems to consist of either being [[OutOfFocus off camera]], or [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale sexually harassing Tomoya]].

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* TheScrappy: Michiru slides into Tomoya and Eriri got this as of treatment, the latter for both seasons while the former was mostly for the second season.
** Tomoya was immensely hated for his ObliviousToLove tendencies towards Utaha [[EveryoneCanSeeIt (who doesn't really hide the fact that she likes him0]], letting [[spoiler: Eriri go off on her own and collapsing during the Winter Comiket part]] and the fact that [[spoiler: it took him two months to finally apologize to and acknowledge Megumi when she was angry at him.]] Needless to say, a good number of people were happy when [[spoiler: Utaha and Eriri left him to go work for Akane.]]
** Eriri was hated when it was revealed in the first
season that [[spoiler: she abandoned Tomoya during their childhood due to being teased about liking anime and leaving him to take all of the anime. While almost every other character gets CharacterDevelopment, her entire personality seems to consist of either being [[OutOfFocus off camera]], or [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale sexually harassing Tomoya]].blame


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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Michiru slides into this as of the second season of the anime. While almost every other character got plenty of screentime and a good load of CharacterDevelopment, her time spent seems to consist of either being [[OutOfFocus off camera]], or when she's onscreen, [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale sexually harassing Tomoya]]. Utaha [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] this during the finale.

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I think these are just Alternate Character Interpretation. You can't have every character on every side of a conflict be a Scrappy.


* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: '''''TOMOYA, big time''''', even more so during the second season. Is he a caring friend who simply has no idea on how to work as a director, but [[CharacterDevelopment is slowly learning the ins and outs of what it means to be a creator]], or is he a slave driver who selfishly uses the girls' talent for his own game, and is [[SelectiveObliviousness even aware of their feelings for him to use and manipulate for his own personal gain?]]

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'''''TOMOYA, big time''''', even more so during the second season. Is he a caring friend who simply has no idea on how to work as a director, but [[CharacterDevelopment is slowly learning the ins and outs of what it means to be a creator]], or is he a slave driver who selfishly uses the girls' talent for his own game, and is [[SelectiveObliviousness even aware of their feelings for him to use and manipulate for his own personal gain?]]gain?]]
** Eriri and Utaha [[spoiler:going behind Tomoya's back to take the job offer from Akane Kousaka]]. Is it a result of them wanting to further their careers, and just being too ashamed to tell him once it got out of hand? Or are they doing it just to spite him?



** Tomoya, Eriri and Utaha all get this treatment from the second season:
*** Tomoya, for his treatment of the girls during the development of Cherry Blessing. It got to the point that everyone became ''infuriated'' with his constant mistakes and lack of development. Needless to say, a good number of people were happy when [[spoiler:he was abandoned by Utaha and Eriri when they took the job offer from Akane.]]
*** Eriri already had her own Scrappydom when [[spoiler:she betrayed Tomoya when they were kids]], [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap but has been slowly trying to redeem herself]] and she even [[CrowningMomentOfHeartWarming became his #1]]. Her Scrappy status came back full force when [[spoiler:she took the job from Akane behind Tomoya's back, and didn't tell him anything for a ''month''.]]
*** Utaha ended up with her own Scrappy status when it was revealed that [[spoiler:the major reason that she took the job offer from Akane, aside from teaming up with Eriri again, was to [[WomanScorned get back at Tomoya for not choosing her]]. What cemented the deal was that she ended up getting [[InnocentBystander Megumi]] involved, just to spite him.]]
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* HoYay: Eriri and Utaha have just as much BelligerentSexualTension, if not more, with each other than with Tomoya (who is supposed to be the LoveInterest of both of them).

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* HoYay: LesYay: Eriri and Utaha have just as much BelligerentSexualTension, if not more, with each other than with Tomoya (who is supposed to be the LoveInterest of both of them).
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: '''''TOMOYA, big time''''', even more so during the second season. Is he a caring friend who simply has no idea on how to work as a director, but [[CharacterDevelopment is slowly learning the ins and outs of what it means to be a creator]], or is he a slave driver who selfishly uses the girls' talent for his own game, and is [[SelectiveObliviousness even aware of their feelings for him to use and manipulate for his own personal gain?]]
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*** Tomoya, for his treatment of the girls during the development of Cherry Blessing. It got to the point that everyone became ''infuriated'' with his constant mistakes and lack of development. Needless to say, a lot of people were happy when [[spoiler:he was abandoned by Utaha and Eriri when they took the job offer from Akane.]]

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*** Tomoya, for his treatment of the girls during the development of Cherry Blessing. It got to the point that everyone became ''infuriated'' with his constant mistakes and lack of development. Needless to say, a lot good number of people were happy when [[spoiler:he was abandoned by Utaha and Eriri when they took the job offer from Akane.]]



*** Utaha ended up with her own Scrappy status when it was revealed that [[spoiler:the major reason that she took the job offer, aside from teaming up with Eriri again, was to [[WomanScorned get back at Tomoya for not choosing her]]. What cemented the deal was that she ended up getting [[InnocentBystander Megumi]] involved, just to spite him.]]

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*** Utaha ended up with her own Scrappy status when it was revealed that [[spoiler:the major reason that she took the job offer, offer from Akane, aside from teaming up with Eriri again, was to [[WomanScorned get back at Tomoya for not choosing her]]. What cemented the deal was that she ended up getting [[InnocentBystander Megumi]] involved, just to spite him.]]
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** Tomoya, Eriri and Utaha all get this treatment from the second season:
*** Tomoya, for his treatment of the girls during the development of Cherry Blessing. It got to the point that everyone became ''infuriated'' with his constant mistakes and lack of development. Needless to say, a lot of people were happy when [[spoiler:he was abandoned by Utaha and Eriri when they took the job offer from Akane.]]
*** Eriri already had her own Scrappydom when [[spoiler:she betrayed Tomoya when they were kids]], [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap but has been slowly trying to redeem herself]] and she even [[CrowningMomentOfHeartWarming became his #1]]. Her Scrappy status came back full force when [[spoiler:she took the job from Akane behind Tomoya's back, and didn't tell him anything for a ''month''.]]
*** Utaha ended up with her own Scrappy status when it was revealed that [[spoiler:the major reason that she took the job offer, aside from teaming up with Eriri again, was to [[WomanScorned get back at Tomoya for not choosing her]]. What cemented the deal was that she ended up getting [[InnocentBystander Megumi]] involved, just to spite him.]]
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* BrokenBase: Season 2, episode 10 sparked a debate on whether or not Eriri and Utaha were right on [[spoiler:quitting from Tomoya's group to work on Akane Kousaka's new project. Supporters claim that Eriri and Utaha had careers to uphold and Tomoya actually ''supported'' their decision to leave, not to mention that it wasn't an easy choice for them anyway. Detractors claim that Eriri and Utaha abandoned Tomoya despite their promise to support him and even criticize Akane Kousaka's management style.]]

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Tomoya can fall into this sometimes.
** While it is pretty understandable that he'd be [[spoiler:upset about his best friend Eriri turning on him as a kid to save her face]], it happened such a long time ago and both seem to have gotten on with their lives in that time well enough that [[spoiler:him calling her out on it]] seemed more than a bit petty, especially since he didn't seem to realize or care that his actions were the very reason she locked herself up to sulk in the first place. Yet, somehow she's the irrational one for being mad that [[spoiler:he hadn't complemented a single bit of her artwork despite all the time and effort she put into it for his project, but praised the first one of Izumi's drawings he saw]].
** Another example occurs with Michiru and his attempts to get her to join the circle as the composer. While [[spoiler:she did want to all along]], he created a convoluted plan that ended with [[spoiler:her being tricked into performing with her band at an otaku concert]]. One wonders what would have happened if he'd just thought to ask her honestly instead of pulling a misdirection on her...

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Tomoya can fall into this sometimes.
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VanillaProtagonist: {{Invoked}}. Megumi is pretty understandable that he'd be [[spoiler:upset about his best friend Eriri turning on him as a kid to save her face]], it happened such a long time ago considered "boring" in the beginning of the series and both doesn't seem to have gotten on with their lives in that time well enough that [[spoiler:him calling her stand out on it]] seemed more than a bit petty, especially since he didn't seem to realize or care that his actions were the very reason she locked herself up to sulk in the first place. Yet, somehow she's the irrational one for being mad that [[spoiler:he hadn't complemented a single bit of her artwork despite all the time and effort she put fit into it for his project, but praised any defined heroine archetype. The focus of the first one of Izumi's drawings he saw]].
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series is her to join the circle as the composer. While [[spoiler:she did want to all along]], he created a convoluted plan that ended with [[spoiler:her being tricked evolution into performing with her band at an otaku concert]]. One wonders what would have happened if he'd just thought to ask her honestly instead of pulling a misdirection on her...proper heroine.

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* EvenBetterSequel: The first season of the anime was generally viewed as, while decent, nothing more than another PanderingToTheBase light novel adaptation. The second season, on the other hand, went far deeper into CharacterDevelopment for many of the main cast, [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap sufficiently downplayed their negative traits]], and used a lot more LeaningOnTheFourthWall humor instead of being so overly serious all the time.



* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap:
** Izumi in the second half of the light novel. Instead of just being a SatelliteLoveInterest, she [[spoiler:joins her brother's doujin circle of her own will in order to compete with Eriri on an equal footing]], and loses most of the traits fans found annoying from her first appearances.
** Iori as well, with more screentime showing that far from being a one-dimensional antagonists, [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold he still does care about Tomoya in his own way]], and sees him as a WorthyOpponent, and does put just as much effort into his circle's work as Blessing does, far from the jerk he was made out to be when he first showed up.



* TheScrappy: Michiru slides into this as of the second season of the anime. While almost every other character gets CharacterDevelopment, her entire personality seems to consist of either being [[OutOfFocus off camera]], or [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale sexually harassing Tomoya]].



* TheScrappy: Izumi Hashima. Apart from being an "imouto" character, which are bound to garner hate no matter how well-written they are, she feels irrelevant to the story, given that the doujin circle already has an artist in Eriri. [[spoiler:Being the UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom that caused the falling-out between Tomoya and Eriri]] was the last straw for many.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Iori. Possible [[TheRival rival]] and GayOption for Tomoya...''if'' he spent more than five minutes on screen.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Tomoya can fall into this sometimes.
** While it is pretty understandable that he'd be [[spoiler:upset about his best friend Eriri turning on him as a kid to save her face]], it happened such a long time ago and both seem to have gotten on with their lives in that time well enough that [[spoiler:him calling her out on it]] seemed more than a bit petty, especially since he didn't seem to realize or care that his actions were the very reason she locked herself up to sulk in the first place. Yet, somehow she's the irrational one for being mad that [[spoiler:he hadn't complemented a single bit of her artwork despite all the time and effort she put into it for his project, but praised the first one of Izumi's drawings he saw]].
** Another example occurs with Michiru and his attempts to get her to join the circle as the composer. While [[spoiler:she did want to all along]], he created a convoluted plan that ended with [[spoiler:her being tricked into performing with her band at an otaku concert]]. One wonders what would have happened if he'd just thought to ask her honestly instead of pulling a misdirection on her...
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* HoYay: Eriri and Utaha have just as much BelligerentSexualTension, if not more, with each other than with Tomoya (who is supposed to be the LoveInterest of both of them).
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* AmericansHateTingle: In Japan Megumi is extremely popular, [[http://myanimelist.net/news/43360709 winning 6th place]] in the 2016 ''Kono Light Novel ga Sugoi!'' Best Female Character poll. In America, while she does have her fair share of fans she has just as many haters.

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* AmericansHateTingle: In Japan Megumi is extremely popular, [[http://myanimelist.net/news/43360709 winning 6th place]] in the 2016 ''Kono Light Novel ga Sugoi!'' Best Female Character poll. In America, while she does have her fair share of fans fans, she has just as many haters.
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* AmericansHateTingle: In Japan Megumi is extremely popular, [[http://myanimelist.net/news/43360709 winning 6th place]] in the 2016 ''Kono Light Novel ga Sugoi!'' Best Female Character poll. In America, while she does have her fair share of fans she has just as many haters. See BaseBreaker below.
* BaseBreaker: [[BrokenBase The Saekano fanbase is extremely fractured.]]
** First up is [[ButNotTooForeign Eriri]], the {{Tsundere}} PatientChildhoodLoveInterest and the biggest BaseBreaker by far. While the story presents her and her actions in a neutral light, one group of fans actively [[RonTheDeathEater demonizes her]], calling her a shallow, abusive bitch, and ignoring times she does show remorse or CharacterDevelopment. Likewise, another group refuses to believe she is capable of doing anything wrong, actively hating other characters when they call her out on questionable behavior.

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* AmericansHateTingle: In Japan Megumi is extremely popular, [[http://myanimelist.net/news/43360709 winning 6th place]] in the 2016 ''Kono Light Novel ga Sugoi!'' Best Female Character poll. In America, while she does have her fair share of fans she has just as many haters. See BaseBreaker below.\n
* BaseBreaker: [[BrokenBase The Saekano fanbase is extremely fractured.]]
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** First up is [[ButNotTooForeign Eriri]], the {{Tsundere}} PatientChildhoodLoveInterest and the biggest BaseBreaker example by far. While the story presents her and her actions in a neutral light, one group of fans actively [[RonTheDeathEater demonizes her]], calling her a shallow, abusive bitch, and ignoring times she does show remorse or CharacterDevelopment. Likewise, another group refuses to believe she is capable of doing anything wrong, actively hating other characters when they call her out on questionable behavior.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Clearly, the narrative of the argument in episode 9 wants you to side with Tomoya. However, when you consider he's carrying a petty grudge from elementary school and that his "lack of friends" seems to be an InformedAttribute, it's quite easy to take Eriri's side instead, especially since she has a quite reasonable cause to be upset, considering Tomoya praised another artist in front of her while he had never done the same to her.
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* AmericansHateTingle: In Japan Megumi is extremely popular, [[http://myanimelist.net/news/43360709 winning 6th place]] in the 2016 ''Kono Light Novel ga Sugoi!'' Best Female Character poll. In America, while she does have her fair share of fans she has just as many haters. See BaseBreaker below.
* BaseBreaker: [[BrokenBase The Saekano fanbase is extremely fractured.]]
** First up is [[ButNotTooForeign Eriri]], the {{Tsundere}} PatientChildhoodLoveInterest and the biggest BaseBreaker by far. While the story presents her and her actions in a neutral light, one group of fans actively [[RonTheDeathEater demonizes her]], calling her a shallow, abusive bitch, and ignoring times she does show remorse or CharacterDevelopment. Likewise, another group refuses to believe she is capable of doing anything wrong, actively hating other characters when they call her out on questionable behavior.
** Megumi Katou is either the best girl by far because of her "original" shtick of a normal person being dragged headlong into {{Otaku}} culture, or about as entertaining and funny as standing in line at the DMV because she is too normal and a possible BitchInSheepsClothing. There is no middle ground.
** Utaha doesn't spark as many {{Flame War}}s as when Eriri and Megumi fans go at it, but some fans have still taken potshots at her for her aloof attitude and her MsFanservice nature. Eriri fans especially don't like her for her habit of pissing off Eriri ForTheLulz.
** While Michiru is liked by some for being a {{Tomboy}} SingerSongwriter as well as appealing to [[KissingCousins incest shippers]], others find her crush on her cousin to be [[{{Squick}} disgusting]]. Adding to this is that in the anime, she appears extremely late compared to the others, and therefore isn't given time for sufficient development like the others.
** Even the protagonist Tomoya gets this. Is he one of the best HaremGenre leads in years due to the fact that he has a defined personality, or is he an obnoxious, lazy prick who doesn't deserve the attention of one girl let alone five? [[spoiler:His haters especially don't like his rather needlessly harsh calling out of Eriri in episode 8, as well as the fact that he basically tricked Michiru in the final episode in order to get her to join his circle]].
* RewatchBonus: Episode 0 doesn't make a lot of sense at first aside from a typical harem hijinks in an anime show with some LeaningOnTheFourthWall. But watch it again after having seen all the characters introduced properly in the show, and their interactions make a lot more sense, such as Eriri being a ClingyJealousGirl and why she doesn't like Utaha much. Chronologically it takes place right before the end of episode 12.
* TearJerker: The argument between Eriri and Tomoya in episode 9. It's notable because not only does Eriri yell at Tomoya, Tomoya also yells back with his own grievances. It's pretty clear that they both feel wronged by the other and aren't going to back down yet. At the very least, Eriri ends the argument on a calm note.
* TheScrappy: Izumi Hashima. Apart from being an "imouto" character, which are bound to garner hate no matter how well-written they are, she feels irrelevant to the story, given that the doujin circle already has an artist in Eriri. [[spoiler:Being the UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom that caused the falling-out between Tomoya and Eriri]] was the last straw for many.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Iori. Possible [[TheRival rival]] and GayOption for Tomoya...''if'' he spent more than five minutes on screen.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Clearly, the narrative of the argument in episode 9 wants you to side with Tomoya. However, when you consider he's carrying a petty grudge from elementary school and that his "lack of friends" seems to be an InformedAttribute, it's quite easy to take Eriri's side instead, especially since she has a quite reasonable cause to be upset, considering Tomoya praised another artist in front of her while he had never done the same to her.
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