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* VindicatedByHistory: ''Sort of''. While many agree that the movie isn’t that good and still ranks pretty low compared to others in the series, it has gotten a bit more appreciation in recent years by fans who found it remotely more entertaining than [[Film/Halloween5TheRevengeOfMichaelMyers Halloween 5]] and at least felt Michael’s character wasn’t as badly mangled as he was in [[Film/HalloweenResurrection Resurrection]]. The Producer’s Cut also helped in explaining certain PlotHoles never resolved in the Theatrical Cut. Now, a majority of fans see it as one of the more entreating films.

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* VindicatedByHistory: ''Sort of''. While many agree that the movie isn’t that good and still ranks pretty low compared to others in the series, it has gotten a bit more appreciation in recent years by fans who found it remotely more entertaining than [[Film/Halloween5TheRevengeOfMichaelMyers Halloween 5]] and at least felt Michael’s character wasn’t as badly mangled as he was in [[Film/HalloweenResurrection Resurrection]]. The Producer’s Cut also helped in explaining certain PlotHoles never resolved in the Theatrical Cut. Now, a majority of fans see it as one of the more entreating films.films despite its major flaws.
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* VindicatedByHistory: ''Sort of''. While many agree that the movie isn’t that good and still ranks pretty low compared to others in the series, it has gotten a bit more appreciation in recent years by fans who found it remotely more entertaining than [[Film/Halloween5TheRevengeOfMichaelMyers Halloween 5]] and at least felt Michael’s character wasn’t as badly mangled as he was in [[Film/HalloweenResurrection Resurrection]]. The Producer’s Cut also helped in explaining certain PlotHoles never resolved in the Theatrical Cut. Now, a majority of fans see it as one of the more entreating films.
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* SignatureScene: John's death scene in the theatrical cut (where he's impaled by Michael in a fuse box, causing his head to explode) is so satisfying, that both [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq7AJe2wXbw#t=13m8s Phelous]] and the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d06XTkXBSs&t=17m11s Cinema Snob]] agree that it's the only improvement the theatrical cut has over the producer's cut (as John simply get electrocuted in the producer's cut).

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* SignatureScene: John's death scene in the theatrical cut (where he's impaled by Michael in a fuse box, causing his head to explode) is so awesome hilarious and satisfying, that both [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq7AJe2wXbw#t=13m8s Phelous]] and the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d06XTkXBSs&t=17m11s Cinema Snob]] agree that it's the only improvement the theatrical cut has over the producer's cut (as John simply get electrocuted in the producer's cut).

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* NeverLiveItDown: The film is forever remembered as the entry that tried to explain Michael’s murderous origins with a mysterious cult and the legendary TroubledProduction that plagued it.

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* TearJerker: The very idea that Jamie Lloyd has spent ''six years'' of her life locked away by the Cult of Thorn. Its sad enough that a little girl has been kidnapped in an attempt to cover up everything at the police station shooting, but add on the fact that everyone she knew is either dead or are unaware of where she is, ''[[FromBadToWorse and then]]'' , [[spoiler:in the she was forcefully raped and had a child by supposedly somebody in the cult (the Producer’s Cut is even worse in that it was her uncle as a way to offer Michael a final sacrifice)]], and she’s been living a never ending Hell before her untimely death. If anything [[spoiler:Dr. Wynn shooting her in the hospital (or Michael killing her on the farm equipment, depending on the cut) was an act of mercy for her not wanting to suffer anymore]].

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* TearJerker: The very idea that Jamie Lloyd has spent ''six years'' of her life locked away by the Cult of Thorn. Its sad enough that a little girl has been kidnapped in an attempt to cover up everything at the police station shooting, but add on the fact that everyone she knew is either dead or are unaware of where she is, ''[[FromBadToWorse and then]]'' , [[spoiler:in the she was then]]'', [[spoiler:she is forcefully raped and had a child by supposedly somebody in the cult (the Producer’s Cut is even worse in that it was her own uncle as a way to offer Michael a final sacrifice)]], and she’s been living a never ending Hell before her untimely death. If anything [[spoiler:Dr. Wynn shooting her in the hospital (or Michael killing her on the farm equipment, depending on the cut) was an act of mercy for her not wanting to suffer anymore]].
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* TearJerker: The very idea that Jamie Lloyd has spent ''six years'' of her life locked away by the Cult of Thorn. Its sad enough that a little girl has been kidnapped in an attempt to cover up everything at the police station shooting, but add on the fact that everyone she knew is either dead or are unaware of where she is, and the fact that, [[spoiler:in the Producer’s Cut at least, she was forcefully raped by her uncle as a way to offer Michael a final sacrifice]], and she’s been living a never ending Hell before her untimely death. If anything [[spoiler:Dr. Wynn shooting her in the hospital (or Michael killing her on the farm equipment, depending on the cut) was an act of mercy for her not wanting to suffer anymore]].

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* TearJerker: The very idea that Jamie Lloyd has spent ''six years'' of her life locked away by the Cult of Thorn. Its sad enough that a little girl has been kidnapped in an attempt to cover up everything at the police station shooting, but add on the fact that everyone she knew is either dead or are unaware of where she is, ''[[FromBadToWorse and the fact that, then]]'' , [[spoiler:in the Producer’s Cut at least, she was forcefully raped and had a child by supposedly somebody in the cult (the Producer’s Cut is even worse in that it was her uncle as a way to offer Michael a final sacrifice]], sacrifice)]], and she’s been living a never ending Hell before her untimely death. If anything [[spoiler:Dr. Wynn shooting her in the hospital (or Michael killing her on the farm equipment, depending on the cut) was an act of mercy for her not wanting to suffer anymore]].
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* NeverLiveItDown: The film is forever remembered as the entry that tried to explain Michael’s murderous origins with a mysterious cult.

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* NeverLiveItDown: The film is forever remembered as the entry that tried to explain Michael’s murderous origins with a mysterious cult.cult and the legendary TroubledProduction that plagued it.
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** While the Producer’s Cut is seen as the better version of the film [[BrokenBase in some fan circles]], the one thing that first pops up in peoples minds when thinking about it is [[spoiler:Michael [[{{Squick}} being the father]] of Jamie’s baby]]

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** While the Producer’s Cut is seen as the better version of the film [[BrokenBase in some fan circles]], the one thing that first pops up in peoples minds when thinking about it is [[spoiler:Michael [[{{Squick}} being the father]] of Jamie’s baby]]baby]].
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** While the Producer’s Cut is seen as the better version of the film [[BrokenBase in some fan circles]], the one thing that first pops up in peoples minds is [[spoiler:Michael [[{{Squick}} being the father]] of Jamie’s baby}}]]

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** While the Producer’s Cut is seen as the better version of the film [[BrokenBase in some fan circles]], the one thing that first pops up in peoples minds when thinking about it is [[spoiler:Michael [[{{Squick}} being the father]] of Jamie’s baby}}]]baby]]
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* NeverLiveItDown: The film is forever remembered as the entry that tried to explain Michael’s murderous origins with a mysterious cult.
** While the Producer’s Cut is seen as the better version of the film [[BrokenBase in some fan circles]], the one thing that first pops up in peoples minds is [[spoiler:Michael [[{{Squick}} being the father]] of Jamie’s baby}}]]
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Dr. Loomis is very underutilized in this film, particularly in the Theatrical Cut. He barely shows up and mostly exists to serve exposition, not even participating in the climax in the Theatrical version. This was a case of ExecutiveMeddling and RealLifeWritesThePlot, as [[Creator/DonaldPleasance Donald Pleasence]] died during production and producer Paul Freeman fought with Daniel Farrands over Loomis, as he reportedly did not like the character.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Dr. Loomis is very underutilized in this film, particularly in the Theatrical Cut. He barely shows up and mostly exists to serve exposition, not even participating in the climax in the Theatrical version. This was a case of ExecutiveMeddling and RealLifeWritesThePlot, as [[Creator/DonaldPleasance [[Creator/DonaldPleasence Donald Pleasence]] died during production and producer Paul Freeman fought with Daniel Farrands over Loomis, as he reportedly did not like the character.
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* TearJerker: The very idea that Jamie Lloyd has spent ''six years'' of her life locked away by the Cult of Thorn. Its sad enough that a little girl has been kidnapped in an attempt to cover up everything at the police station shooting, but add on the fact that everyone she knew is either dead or are unaware of where she is, and the fact that, [[spoiler:in the Producer’s Cut at least, was forcefully raped by her uncle as a way to offer Michael a final sacrifice]], and she’s been living a never ending Hell before her untimely death. If anything [[spoiler:Dr. Wynn shooting her in the hospital (or Michael killing her on the farm equipment, depending on the cut) was an act of mercy for her not wanting to suffer anymore]].
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Dr. Loomis is very underutilized in this film, particularly in the Theatrical Cut. He barely shows up and mostly exists to serve exposition, not even participating in the climax in the Theatrical version. This was a case of ExecutiveMeddling and RealLifeWritesThePlot, as Creator/DonaldPleasance died during production and producer Paul Freeman fought with Daniel Farrands over Loomis, as he reportedly did not like the character.

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* TearJerker: The very idea that Jamie Lloyd has spent ''six years'' of her life locked away by the Cult of Thorn. Its sad enough that a little girl has been kidnapped in an attempt to cover up everything at the police station shooting, but add on the fact that everyone she knew is either dead or are unaware of where she is, and the fact that, [[spoiler:in the Producer’s Cut at least, she was forcefully raped by her uncle as a way to offer Michael a final sacrifice]], and she’s been living a never ending Hell before her untimely death. If anything [[spoiler:Dr. Wynn shooting her in the hospital (or Michael killing her on the farm equipment, depending on the cut) was an act of mercy for her not wanting to suffer anymore]].
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Dr. Loomis is very underutilized in this film, particularly in the Theatrical Cut. He barely shows up and mostly exists to serve exposition, not even participating in the climax in the Theatrical version. This was a case of ExecutiveMeddling and RealLifeWritesThePlot, as Creator/DonaldPleasance [[Creator/DonaldPleasance Donald Pleasence]] died during production and producer Paul Freeman fought with Daniel Farrands over Loomis, as he reportedly did not like the character.
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* TearJerker: The very idea that Jamie Lloyd has spent ''six years'' of her life locked away by the Cult of Thorn. Its sad enough that a little girl has been kidnapped in an attempt to cover up everything at the police station shooting, but add on the fact that everyone she knew is either dead or are unaware of where she is, and the fact that, [[spoiler:in the Producer’s Cut at least, was forcefully raped by her uncle as a way to offer Michael a final sacrifice]], and she’s been living a never ending Hell before her untimely death. If anything [[spoiler:Dr. Wynn shooting her in the hospital, or Michael killing her on the farm equipment, were an act of mercy for her not wanting to suffer anymore]].

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* TearJerker: The very idea that Jamie Lloyd has spent ''six years'' of her life locked away by the Cult of Thorn. Its sad enough that a little girl has been kidnapped in an attempt to cover up everything at the police station shooting, but add on the fact that everyone she knew is either dead or are unaware of where she is, and the fact that, [[spoiler:in the Producer’s Cut at least, was forcefully raped by her uncle as a way to offer Michael a final sacrifice]], and she’s been living a never ending Hell before her untimely death. If anything [[spoiler:Dr. Wynn shooting her in the hospital, or hospital (or Michael killing her on the farm equipment, were depending on the cut) was an act of mercy for her not wanting to suffer anymore]].
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* TearJerker: The very idea that Jamie Lloyd has spent ''six years'' of her life locked away by the Cult of Thorn. Its sad enough that a little girl has been kidnapped in an attempt to cover up everything at the police station shooting, but add on the fact that everyone she knew is either dead or are unaware of where she is, and the fact that, [[spoiler:in the Producer’s Cut at least, was forcefully raped by her uncle as a way to offer Michael a final sacrifice]], and she’s been living a never ending Hell before her untimely death. If anything [[spoiler:Dr. Wynn shooting her in the hospital, or Michael killing her on the farm equipment, were an act of mercy for her not wanting to suffer anymore]].

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** Michael Myers. See [[YMMV/{{Halloween}} here]].

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** CompleteMonster: Michael Myers. See [[YMMV/{{Halloween}} [[Monster/{{Halloween}} here]].
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* CompleteMonster: In the theatrical cut, [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate Dr. Terrence Wynn]] is revealed to be as monstrous as Michael himself. Wynn uses the ancient {{Cult}} of Thorn as a front for his experiments, using Michael's DNA to create evil in its purest form by impregnating female patients of Smith's Grove Sanitarium with Michael's DNA, most resulting in stillbirths. It is also discovered Wynn helped mentor Michael into being the killer he is today, and helped him escape in the [[Film/{{Halloween 1978}} first movie]]. In the [[Film/Halloween5TheRevengeOfMichaelMyers previous movie]], Wynn followed Michael in his killing spree, and [[CopKiller blew up a police station]] before abducting Michael's niece Jamie and escaping with Michael. After Jamie successfully births a new baby, Steven, Wynn plans on making Steven the next cycle of evil, and even forms a fascination with Danny Strode, trying to get him to become a killer too.

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* CompleteMonster: In the theatrical cut, [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate Dr. Terrence Terence Wynn]] is revealed to be as monstrous as Michael himself. Wynn uses the ancient {{Cult}} of Thorn as a front for his experiments, using Michael's DNA to create evil in its purest form by impregnating female patients of Smith's Grove Sanitarium with Michael's DNA, most resulting in stillbirths. It is also discovered Wynn helped mentor Michael into being the killer he is today, and helped him escape in the [[Film/{{Halloween 1978}} first movie]]. In the [[Film/Halloween5TheRevengeOfMichaelMyers previous movie]], Wynn followed Michael in his killing spree, and [[CopKiller blew up a police station]] before abducting Michael's niece Jamie and escaping with Michael. After Jamie successfully births a new baby, Steven, Wynn plans on making Steven the next cycle of evil, and even forms a fascination with Danny Strode, trying to get him to become a killer too.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Unlike the previous two films, Michael's mask is designed to be closer in appearance to the classic Captain Kirk mask. While the mask is still criticized by some, it's widely considered to be one of the better masks from the sequels.



* RetroactiveRecognition: Creator/PaulRudd appears in one of his first films. Some joke that the climax of the film is ''Film/{{Antman}} vs Michael Myers''.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Creator/PaulRudd appears in one of his first films. Some joke that the climax of the film is ''Film/{{Antman}} ''[[Film/{{Antman}} Ant-Man]] vs Michael Myers''.



* {{Squick}}: The implication in the producer's cut that [[spoiler:Baby Steven is the result of Michael raping Jamie, his young niece]].
** Even worse, according to George Wilbur, who played the Shape, there was an actual "love scene" [his words, not ours] shot, but that he "kept the mask on." There's a damned good thing this didn't even make it into the Producer's Cut.
* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: At least, over the previous film... although that may not being saying much to the fans and some of them even disagree with that sentiment.

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* {{Squick}}: The implication in the producer's cut that [[spoiler:Baby Steven is the result of Michael raping Jamie, his young niece]].
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niece]]. Even worse, according to George P. Wilbur, who played the Shape, there was an actual "love scene" [his words, not ours] shot, but that he "kept the mask on." There's a damned good thing this didn't even make it into the Producer's Cut.
* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: At least, over For some, this film, particularly the Producer's Cut, is better than the previous film... although that may not being saying much to the fans film, but this is heavy point of contention and some of them would say otherwise.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Dr. Loomis is very underutilized in this film, particularly in the Theatrical Cut. He barely shows up and mostly exists to serve exposition, not
even disagree participating in the climax in the Theatrical version. This was a case of ExecutiveMeddling and RealLifeWritesThePlot, as Creator/DonaldPleasance died during production and producer Paul Freeman fought with that sentiment.Daniel Farrands over Loomis, as he reportedly did not like the character.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Given the nature of the Cult of Thorn, it would have been incredible if instead of Dr. Wynn, it was [[Film/HalloweenIIISeasonOfTheWitch Conal Cochran]], BackFromTheDead. That way ''Halloween III'' could finally be tied in with the rest of the series.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Given the nature of the Cult of Thorn, it would have been incredible if instead of Dr. Wynn, it was [[Film/HalloweenIIISeasonOfTheWitch Conal Cochran]], BackFromTheDead.BackFromTheDead, who was its leader. That way ''Halloween III'' could finally be tied in with the rest of the series.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Given the nature of the Cult of Thorn, it would have been incredible if instead of Dr. Wynn, it was [[Film/HalloweenIIISeasonOfTheWitch Conal Cochran]], BackFromTheDead. That way ''Halloween III'' could finally be tied in with the rest of the series.
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** Not just someone... it was John Carpenter himself who suggested the "Myers in Space" idea.
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* TheScrappy: John Strode gets this for not only being an abusive father, but for disowning his daughter because [[SlutShaming she got pregnant premaritally]]. Needless to say, people were cheering for [[spoiler: Michael when he electrocutes him]].
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* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: Newcomer Marianne Hagan and series regular Donald Pleasence are really giving it their all here.
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* FridgeHorror: The father of Jamie's baby. Even if it wasn't Michael, she was still subjected to rape while only in her mid-teens, possibly even younger.
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* {{Nightmare Fuel}}: the operating room massacre towards the climax of the film and John Strode's excruciatingly painful death by electrocution.
** Dr. Loomis's screaming at the end. Especially in the Producer's Cut. While pretty silly in context, Donald Pleasence's screams are VERY unsettling.
** This doctor's death, whose head was thrust and grated through a gate door as Michael tries to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ2Wu1tgoWA break through the barrier.]]
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In the producer's cut he's more of a Well Intentioned Extremist (sort of)


* CompleteMonster: In the theatrical cut, [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate Dr. Terrence Wynn]] is revealed to be as monstrous as Michael himself. Wynn uses the ancient {{Cult}} of Thorn as a front for his experiments, using Michael's DNA to create evil in its purest form by impregnating female patients of Smith's Grove Sanitarium with Michael's DNA, most resulting in stillbirths. It is also discovered Wynn helped mentor Michael into being the killer he is today, and helped him escape in the [[Film/{{Halloween 1978}} first movie]]. In the [[Film/Halloween5TheRevengeOfMichaelMyers previous movie]], Wynn followed Michael in his killing spree, and [[CopKiller blew up a police station]] before abducting Michael's niece Jamie and escaping with Michael. After Jamie successfully births a new baby, Steven, Wynn plans on making Steven the next cycle of evil, and even forms a fascination with Danny Strode, trying to get him to become a killer too. His actions are even more abhorrent in the Producer's Cut, which contains additional scenes in which he personally murders Jamie and uses his dying breath to {{curse}} Doctor Loomis with the Mark of Thorn.

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* CompleteMonster: In the theatrical cut, [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate Dr. Terrence Wynn]] is revealed to be as monstrous as Michael himself. Wynn uses the ancient {{Cult}} of Thorn as a front for his experiments, using Michael's DNA to create evil in its purest form by impregnating female patients of Smith's Grove Sanitarium with Michael's DNA, most resulting in stillbirths. It is also discovered Wynn helped mentor Michael into being the killer he is today, and helped him escape in the [[Film/{{Halloween 1978}} first movie]]. In the [[Film/Halloween5TheRevengeOfMichaelMyers previous movie]], Wynn followed Michael in his killing spree, and [[CopKiller blew up a police station]] before abducting Michael's niece Jamie and escaping with Michael. After Jamie successfully births a new baby, Steven, Wynn plans on making Steven the next cycle of evil, and even forms a fascination with Danny Strode, trying to get him to become a killer too. His actions are even more abhorrent in the Producer's Cut, which contains additional scenes in which he personally murders Jamie and uses his dying breath to {{curse}} Doctor Loomis with the Mark of Thorn.
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* FridgeHorror: The father of Jamie's baby.

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* FridgeHorror: The father of Jamie's baby. Even if it wasn't Michael, she was still subjected to rape while only in her mid-teens, possibly even younger.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Not a character, but a scene: John's death scene in the theatrical cut (where he's impaled by Michael in a fuse box, causing his head to explode) is so satisfying, that both [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq7AJe2wXbw#t=13m8s Phelous]] and the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d06XTkXBSs&t=17m11s Cinema Snob]] agree that it's the only improvement the theatrical cut has over the producer's cut (as John simply get electrocuted in the producer's cut).


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* TheScrappy: John Strode gets this for not only being an abusive father, but for disowning his daughter because [[SlutShaming she got pregnant premaritally]]. Needless to say, people were cheering for [[spoiler: Michael when he electrocutes him]].


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* SignatureScene: John's death scene in the theatrical cut (where he's impaled by Michael in a fuse box, causing his head to explode) is so satisfying, that both [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq7AJe2wXbw#t=13m8s Phelous]] and the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d06XTkXBSs&t=17m11s Cinema Snob]] agree that it's the only improvement the theatrical cut has over the producer's cut (as John simply get electrocuted in the producer's cut).
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Not a character, but a scene: John's death scene in the theatrical cut (where he's impaled by Michael in a fuse box, causing his head to explode) is so satisfying, that both [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq7AJe2wXbw#t=13m8s Phelous]] and the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d06XTkXBSs&t=17m11s Cinema Snob]] agree that it's the only improvement the theatrical cut has over the producer's cut (as John simply get electrocuted in the producer's cut).

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