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* Fans of Adric tend to see him as a woobie rather than TheScrappy; his parents died at some point before his first appearance, then his brother was killed in front of him. He's constantly trying to prove himself to the Doctor only to be scolded when he messes up (and even sometimes when he ''doesn't''; there's a moment in the novel ''Cold Fusion'' where the Doctor ignores and then chides him for ''asking if he's okay after having a seizure''), repeatedly fails to save people (including his mentor and his brother ''in his introductory story'', which itself contains a bit of RealitySubtext since Matthew Waterhouse's own older brother had committed suicide just 2 years earlier), spends ''nearly all of'' "Castrovalva" being {{Mind Probe}}d by the Master while desperately fighting to keep him from hurting his friends, pretty much everything that happens to him in "Kinda" (is left to his own devices by the Doctor, which included being a played-completely-straight OnlySaneMan trapped in a research station with at least one AxCrazy and being assaulted by ''an entire native tribe intent on killing him'' while stuck in a transport robot that feeds off his brain waves) and then he [[DyingAlone dies alone]] thinking he'd just ''failed to save the world''. Oh, and he was almost turned into a vampire. And when he was tired of being an outcast (see quotes below) and wanted to leave the TARDIS crew to go back to E-Space, the Doctor blew up and argued something to the extent of "you can ''never go home again.''" [[Tropers/PennyAnna This Troper]] knows it's an unpopular opinion, but... damn it, he'd appreciate being fed soup more than most!

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* Fans of Adric tend to see him as a woobie rather than TheScrappy; his parents died at some point before his first appearance, appearance [[hottip: *: the show never elaborates on this, but the ExpandedUniverse and WordOfGod say it was a forest fire]], then his brother was killed in front of him. He's constantly trying to prove himself to the Doctor only to be scolded when he messes up (and even sometimes when he ''doesn't''; there's a moment in the novel ''Cold Fusion'' where the Doctor ignores and then chides him for ''asking if he's okay after having a seizure''), repeatedly fails to save people (including his mentor and his brother ''in his introductory story'', which itself contains a bit of RealitySubtext since Matthew Waterhouse's own older brother had committed suicide just 2 years earlier), spends ''nearly all of'' "Castrovalva" being {{Mind Probe}}d by the Master while desperately fighting to keep him from hurting his friends, pretty much everything that happens to him in "Kinda" (is left to his own devices by the Doctor, which included being a played-completely-straight OnlySaneMan trapped in a research station with at least one AxCrazy and being assaulted by ''an entire native tribe intent on killing him'' while stuck in a transport robot that feeds off his brain waves) and then he [[DyingAlone dies alone]] thinking he'd just ''failed to save the world''. Oh, and he was almost turned into a vampire. And when he was tired of being an outcast (see quotes below) and wanted to leave the TARDIS crew to go back to E-Space, the Doctor blew up and argued something to the extent of "you can ''never go home again.''" [[Tropers/PennyAnna This Troper]] knows it's an unpopular opinion, but... damn it, he'd appreciate being fed soup more than most!
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**There are also hints in 'Adam' that his childhood wasn't exactly ideal; the memories of his mother he mentions when Jack is trying to [[spoiler:get rid of Adam]] hint at abuse, or at the very least an extremely dysfunctional childhood.
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* Ace reaches this a few times in her last season, especially in ''Ghost Light'' when she tells the Doctor about how her best friend Manisha was killed by racist boys who firebombed her flat when she was 13.

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** "All that attitude, all that lip, because all this time... you think you're not worth it." Poor Donna. [[spoiler:Screw you and your goddamn mindwipe, Rusty, you bastard; now she's ''never'' going to get back the CharacterDevelopment that would help her get over that!]]

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*** Especially, ''especially'' in "Midnight," when he's [[spoiler:immobilized by an EldritchAbomination and is being forced to repeat everything it says]]. The way he manages to convey so much terror and anguish with his eyes alone makes that episode downright hard to watch. Of course, "Midnight" [[MindRape really deserves]] [[PsychologicalHorror its own section here]]...



*** Fandom-induced example: somebody on the ''Doctor Who'' [[ImageMacro macro]] community [[http://community.livejournal.com/ihasatardis ihasatardis]] took a photo from the filming of [[MattSmith Matt Smith's]] first episode and [[http://community.livejournal.com/ihasatardis/1931933.html#cutid1 gave it a woobie spin.]] Suddenly even the rabid Ten fangirls wanted to take Eleven home and feed him cookies.

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*** ** Fandom-induced example: somebody on the ''Doctor Who'' [[ImageMacro macro]] community [[http://community.livejournal.com/ihasatardis ihasatardis]] took a photo from the filming of [[MattSmith Matt Smith's]] first episode and [[http://community.livejournal.com/ihasatardis/1931933.html#cutid1 gave it a woobie spin.]] Suddenly even the rabid Ten fangirls wanted to take Eleven home and feed him cookies.
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* Fans of Adric tend to see him as a woobie rather than TheScrappy; his parents died at some point before his first appearance, then his brother was killed in front of him. He's constantly trying to prove himself to the Doctor only to be scolded when he messes up (and even sometimes when he ''doesn't''; there's a moment in the novel ''Cold Fusion'' where the Doctor ignores and then chides him for ''asking if he's okay after having a seizure''), repeatedly fails to save people (including his mentor and his brother ''in his introductory story'', which itself contains a bit of RealitySubtext since Matthew Waterhouse's own older brother had committed suicide just 2 years earlier), spends ''nearly all of'' "Castrovalva" being [[MindProbe Mind Probed]] by the Master while desperately fighting to keep him from hurting his friends, pretty much everything that happens to him in "Kinda" (is left to his own devices by the Doctor, which included being a played-completely-straight OnlySaneMan trapped in a research station with at least one AxCrazy and being assaulted by ''an entire native tribe intent on killing him'' while stuck in a transport robot that feeds off his brain waves) and then he [[DyingAlone dies alone]] thinking he'd just ''failed to save the world''. Oh, and he was almost turned into a vampire. And when he was tired of being an outcast (see quotes below) and wanted to leave the TARDIS crew to go back to E-Space, the Doctor blew up and argued something to the extent of "you can ''never go home again.''" [[PennyAnna This Troper]] knows it's an unpopular opinion, but... damn it, he'd appreciate being fed soup more than most!

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* Fans of Adric tend to see him as a woobie rather than TheScrappy; his parents died at some point before his first appearance, then his brother was killed in front of him. He's constantly trying to prove himself to the Doctor only to be scolded when he messes up (and even sometimes when he ''doesn't''; there's a moment in the novel ''Cold Fusion'' where the Doctor ignores and then chides him for ''asking if he's okay after having a seizure''), repeatedly fails to save people (including his mentor and his brother ''in his introductory story'', which itself contains a bit of RealitySubtext since Matthew Waterhouse's own older brother had committed suicide just 2 years earlier), spends ''nearly all of'' "Castrovalva" being [[MindProbe Mind Probed]] {{Mind Probe}}d by the Master while desperately fighting to keep him from hurting his friends, pretty much everything that happens to him in "Kinda" (is left to his own devices by the Doctor, which included being a played-completely-straight OnlySaneMan trapped in a research station with at least one AxCrazy and being assaulted by ''an entire native tribe intent on killing him'' while stuck in a transport robot that feeds off his brain waves) and then he [[DyingAlone dies alone]] thinking he'd just ''failed to save the world''. Oh, and he was almost turned into a vampire. And when he was tired of being an outcast (see quotes below) and wanted to leave the TARDIS crew to go back to E-Space, the Doctor blew up and argued something to the extent of "you can ''never go home again.''" [[PennyAnna [[Tropers/PennyAnna This Troper]] knows it's an unpopular opinion, but... damn it, he'd appreciate being fed soup more than most!



* Ace reaches this a few times in her last season, especially in GhostLight when she tells the Doctor about how her best friend Manisha was killed by racist boys who firebombed her flat when she was 13.

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* Ace reaches this a few times in her last season, especially in GhostLight ''Ghost Light'' when she tells the Doctor about how her best friend Manisha was killed by racist boys who firebombed her flat when she was 13.



* Toshiko Sato spends most of her time pining for a man who makes no secret of the fact he's having sex with dozens of other women 24/7 yet doesn't even look twice at her. Falls in love with a woman who turns out to be a heart-eating baddy. Finally gets the man she loves to agree to go out with her and he winds up dying. He then comes back as a zombie, replete with heaping loads of angst. And finally she has to comfort him as he's about to die WHILE dying herself. Oh yes, and she also gets [[BrainRape brainwashed]] into falling in love with someone, so technically she's been raped as well. Seriously, if there's a female character in the history of the Whoniverse who's had it tougher I can't think of them.

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* Toshiko Sato spends most of her time pining for a man who makes no secret of the fact he's having sex with dozens of other women 24/7 yet doesn't even look twice at her. Falls in love with a woman who turns out to be a heart-eating baddy. Finally gets the man she loves to agree to go out with her and he winds up dying. He then comes back as a zombie, replete with heaping loads of angst. And finally she has to comfort him as he's about to die WHILE dying herself. Oh yes, and she also gets [[BrainRape brainwashed]] {{brainwashed}} into falling in love with someone, so technically she's been raped as well. Seriously, if there's a female character in the history of the Whoniverse who's had it tougher I can't think of them.



*** Other fans would argue that it's still an issue of one death versus millions of deaths and even if it wasn't poor Stephen it would've had to be ''somebody's'' grandkid (which ''is'' morally no better but the 1 vs. 1,000,000 remains). Given the ammount of guilt he's had since then, Jack's earning his Woobie points back...

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*** Other fans would argue that it's still an issue of one death versus millions of deaths and even if it wasn't poor Stephen it would've had to be ''somebody's'' grandkid (which ''is'' morally no better but the 1 vs. 1,000,000 remains). Given the ammount amount of guilt he's had since then, Jack's earning his Woobie points back...
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** No wonder Eleven/Amy/Rory has become such a popular OneTrueThreesome in fandom. These 3 Woobies suffer so ''beautifully'' together.
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*** And [[JamesBondage kidnapped and]] [[BoundAndGagged tied up]]. A lot.
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** The interesting thing about Eleven is that tries not to let himself be the Woobie too much of the time. "The Lodger" in particular shows him putting on a brave face. This probably makes him a StoicWoobie.

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** The interesting thing about Eleven is that he tries not to let himself be the Woobie too much of the time. "The Lodger" in particular shows him putting on a brave face. This probably makes him a StoicWoobie.
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** The interesting thing about Eleven is that tries not to let himself be the Woobie too much of the time. "The Lodger" in particular shows him putting on a brave face. I believe this makes him a StoicWoobie.

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** The interesting thing about Eleven is that tries not to let himself be the Woobie too much of the time. "The Lodger" in particular shows him putting on a brave face. I believe this This probably makes him a StoicWoobie.
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** The interesting thing about Eleven is that tries not to let himself be the Woobie too much of the time. "The Lodger" in particular shows him putting on a brave face.

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** The interesting thing about Eleven is that tries not to let himself be the Woobie too much of the time. "The Lodger" in particular shows him putting on a brave face. I believe this makes him a StoicWoobie.

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** And all of this is just the ''emotional'' trauma. Throw in all the times he's been electrocuted, irradiated, exsanguinated, electrocuted, possessed, poisoned, {{Mind Rape}}d, [[OverlyLongGag electrocuted,]] and otherwise subjected to physical agony, and the Woobieness reaches epic levels.

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** And all of this is just the ''emotional'' trauma. Throw in all the times he's been electrocuted, irradiated, exsanguinated, electrocuted, possessed, poisoned, {{Mind Rape}}d, [[OverlyLongGag electrocuted,]] and otherwise subjected to physical agony, and the Woobieness reaches epic levels. levels.
**Don't forget molested by Amy.
**The interesting thing about Eleven is that tries not to let himself be the Woobie too much of the time. "The Lodger" in particular shows him putting on a brave face.
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* Judging by certain looks he gives in "The Lodger", it looks as if Eleven himself may be a Woobie. Or he would be if he allowed himself to be one. The best thing about Eleven is that he doesn't whine out loud.

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* Vincent van Gogh, from the Eleventh Doctor episode [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E10VincentAndTheDoctor Vincent and the Doctor]], does a pretty good job of solidifying himself as a Woobie even though he only appears in one episode. Everyone he knows hates/fears him for being insane, the villagers blame him for [[spoiler: the deaths of the Krafayis's victims]], he curls up on a bed crying when he learns Amy and the Doctor are leaving because they're the only people who have ever been really nice to him, he mentions, 'in passing', that children throw rocks at him because they're "frightened" of him, and when Amy and the Doctor refuse his parting gift of a painting (they think it's too valuable), he assumes it's because they hate it. [[spoiler: This results in a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming when they take him to the present-day art gallery and show him that everyone will love his work.]]

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* Vincent van Gogh, from the Eleventh Doctor episode [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E10VincentAndTheDoctor Vincent and the Doctor]], does a pretty good job of solidifying himself as a Woobie even though he only appears in one episode. Everyone he knows hates/fears him for being insane, the villagers blame him for [[spoiler: the deaths of the Krafayis's victims]], he curls up on a bed crying when he learns Amy and the Doctor are leaving because they're the only people who have ever been really nice to him, he mentions, 'in passing', that children throw rocks at him because they're "frightened" of him, and when Amy and the Doctor refuse his parting gift of a painting (they think it's too valuable), he assumes it's because they hate it. [[spoiler: This results in a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming when they take him to the present-day art gallery and show him that everyone will love his work.]] ]]
*Judging by certain looks he gives in "The Lodger", it looks as if Eleven himself may be a Woobie. Or he would be if he allowed himself to be one. The best thing about Eleven is that he doesn't whine out loud.
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* Ace reaches this a few times in her last season, especially in GhostLight when she tells the Doctor about how her best friend Manisha was killed by racist boys who firebombed her flat when she was 13.
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* Fitz Kreiner, from the DoctorWhoExpandedUniverse novels, is such a woobie it's ridiculous. He's half-German and was born four years before WorldWarII and therefore [[KidsAreCruel spent most of his childhood being beaten up by other kids]] and even [[SadistTeacher bullied by his schoolteachers]]. (No wonder he's BookDumb.) His dad died and his mum went insane and ''then'' died, and even though he's shown to have a very close relationship with her, he later makes GallowsHumor jokes about ''the fact she tried to kill him shortly before she died'', which, he ''says'', makes it better. (Actually, and quite understandably, he almost cried when she tried to kill him.) He is generally a total SadClown. And then he starts traveling with the Doctor, gets brainwashed by Chinese communists, gets separated from the Doctor and ends up [[WhoWantsToLiveForever spending over a thousand years being utterly miserable]], is turned back into his normal self, the over-a-thousand-years-old version of himself is still out there and shows up and is [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds a total woobie]] [[LoveMakesYouEvil who just misses the Doctor]] [[RedemptionEqualsDeath and]] [[AlasPoorVillain dies horribly]]... Then Fitz has a serious breakdown over the fact [[LossOfIdentity he's just a copy]], is brainwashed into being SickeninglySweethearts with a girl who just wants to use him... also, [[ChivalrousPervert more or less every other book, he gets a girlfriend]], and [[GirlOfTheWeek it never lasts]], sometimes because she dies. Also, he's everyone's ButtMonkey, evil triplets made him remember being born, he [[NiceGuy has moments of feeling really bad for dead evil monkeys]] and suchlike, he gets kicked around by nasty sorts a lot, he's [[TheKlutz really clumsy]], his relationship with the Doctor is adorable but horrendously codependent... There's even [[http://kseda.livejournal.com/425309.html a poem]] about his woobieness, and, good God, I somehow missed the Nazi thing! Long story short: you don't want to be Fitz, but you do want to give him a big hug and a [[SpotOfTea cup of tea]].

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* Fitz Kreiner, from the DoctorWhoExpandedUniverse EighthDoctorAdventures novels, is such a woobie it's ridiculous. He's half-German and was born four years before WorldWarII and therefore [[KidsAreCruel spent most of his childhood being beaten up by other kids]] and even [[SadistTeacher bullied by his schoolteachers]]. (No wonder he's BookDumb.) His dad died and his mum went insane and ''then'' died, and even though he's shown to have a very close relationship with her, he later makes GallowsHumor jokes about ''the fact she tried to kill him shortly before she died'', which, he ''says'', makes it better. (Actually, and quite understandably, he almost cried when she tried to kill him.) He is generally a total SadClown. And then he starts traveling with the Doctor, gets brainwashed by Chinese communists, gets separated from the Doctor and ends up [[WhoWantsToLiveForever spending over a thousand years being utterly miserable]], is turned back into his normal self, the over-a-thousand-years-old version of himself is still out there and shows up and is [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds a total woobie]] [[LoveMakesYouEvil who just misses the Doctor]] [[RedemptionEqualsDeath and]] [[AlasPoorVillain dies horribly]]... Then Fitz has a serious breakdown over the fact [[LossOfIdentity he's just a copy]], is brainwashed into being SickeninglySweethearts with a girl who just wants to use him... also, [[ChivalrousPervert more or less every other book, he gets a girlfriend]], and [[GirlOfTheWeek it never lasts]], sometimes because she dies. Also, he's everyone's ButtMonkey, evil triplets made him remember being born, he [[NiceGuy has moments of feeling really bad for dead evil monkeys]] and suchlike, he gets kicked around by nasty sorts a lot, he's [[TheKlutz really clumsy]], his relationship with the Doctor is adorable but horrendously codependent... There's even [[http://kseda.livejournal.com/425309.html a poem]] about his woobieness, and, good God, I somehow missed the Nazi thing! Long story short: you don't want to be Fitz, but you do want to give him a big hug and a [[SpotOfTea cup of tea]].
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* Fans of Adric tend to see him as a woobie rather than TheScrappy; his parents died at some point before his first appearance, then his brother was killed in front of him. He's constantly trying to prove himself to the Doctor only to be scolded when he messes up (and even sometimes when he ''doesn't''; there's a moment in the novel ''Cold Fusion'' where the Doctor ignores and then chides him for ''asking if he's okay after having a seizure''), repeatedly fails to save people (including his mentor and his brother ''in his introductory story'', which itself contains a bit of RealitySubtext since Matthew Waterhouse's own older brother had committed suicide just 2 years earlier), spends ''nearly all of'' "Castrovalva" being [[MindProbe Mind Probed]] by the Master while desperately fighting to keep him from hurting his friends, and then [[spoiler: he [[DyingAlone dies alone]] thinking he'd just ''failed to save the world'']]. Oh, and he was almost turned into a vampire. And when he was tired of being an outcast (see quotes below) and wanted to leave the TARDIS crew to go back to E-Space, he and the Doctor got into a fight in which the Doctor's argument was basically "you can ''never go home again.''" [[PennyAnna This Troper]] knows it's an unpopular opinion, but... damn it, he'd appreciate being fed soup more than most!

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* Fans of Adric tend to see him as a woobie rather than TheScrappy; his parents died at some point before his first appearance, then his brother was killed in front of him. He's constantly trying to prove himself to the Doctor only to be scolded when he messes up (and even sometimes when he ''doesn't''; there's a moment in the novel ''Cold Fusion'' where the Doctor ignores and then chides him for ''asking if he's okay after having a seizure''), repeatedly fails to save people (including his mentor and his brother ''in his introductory story'', which itself contains a bit of RealitySubtext since Matthew Waterhouse's own older brother had committed suicide just 2 years earlier), spends ''nearly all of'' "Castrovalva" being [[MindProbe Mind Probed]] by the Master while desperately fighting to keep him from hurting his friends, pretty much everything that happens to him in "Kinda" (is left to his own devices by the Doctor, which included being a played-completely-straight OnlySaneMan trapped in a research station with at least one AxCrazy and being assaulted by ''an entire native tribe intent on killing him'' while stuck in a transport robot that feeds off his brain waves) and then [[spoiler: he [[DyingAlone dies alone]] thinking he'd just ''failed to save the world'']].world''. Oh, and he was almost turned into a vampire. And when he was tired of being an outcast (see quotes below) and wanted to leave the TARDIS crew to go back to E-Space, he and the Doctor got into a fight in which blew up and argued something to the Doctor's argument was basically extent of "you can ''never go home again.''" [[PennyAnna This Troper]] knows it's an unpopular opinion, but... damn it, he'd appreciate being fed soup more than most!



** ''[[BigFinishDoctorWho The Boy That Time Forgot]]'', debatable canon aside, cranks it up quite a few notches, especially when we learn the true nature of [[spoiler: how he survived "Earthshock": The Doctor's subconscious guilt had taken over during block transfer computations, creating an ''alternate universe'' for the freighter to crash in harmlessly, leaving our young Alzarian all alone in a jungle world without humanoid contact for ''500 years'' and eventually turning him into a crazed insect-king abomination in time obsessed with revenge who just wanted someone to love him again.]] Oh, ''Adric...''

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** ''[[BigFinishDoctorWho The Boy That Time Forgot]]'', debatable canon aside, cranks it up quite a few notches, especially when we learn the true nature of [[spoiler: how he survived "Earthshock": The Doctor's subconscious guilt had taken over during block transfer computations, creating an ''alternate universe'' alternate universe for the freighter to crash in harmlessly, leaving our young Alzarian all alone in a jungle world without humanoid contact for ''500 years'' years'']] and eventually turning him into a crazed insect-king abomination in time obsessed with revenge who and just wanted someone to love him again.]] again. Oh, ''Adric...''
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* I think Ten's Woobieness can actually be partly attributed to [[PuppyDogEyes David Tennant's eyes.]] Those things are enormous. And beautiful, but we won't go into that.

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** [[spoiler: The crowning moment gets partially dethroned to a TearJerker. Amy, fully aware of van Gogh's impending suicide, spends the episode dedicated to convincing him not to do so. She and the Doctor are so convinced they've succeeded, they rush back to the museum to see the "new" van Goghs... only for the museum to be exactly as they left it. Amy, having recently and unknowingly lost her OneTrueLove, gets a HeroicBSOD as she realizes van Gogh still commits suicide, and she's saved only when the Doctor delivers his Aesop: "The way I see it, every life is a pile of good things and bad things. The good things don’t always soften the bad things, but vice versa the bad things don’t always spoil the good things and make them unimportant. And we definitely added to his pile of good things."]]

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Definitely agree, but it needs expanding upon. Oh, and Word Cruft, anyone? What about Word Cruft?


* Sarah Jane anyone? She spends most of her time with the Doctor being beaten up, tied up, blinded, and otherwise abused, and the capstone is that when at the end of her time, instead of dropping her home in South Croydon, he leaves her in [[spoiler:''Scotland''.]]

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* Sarah Jane anyone? Smith. She spends most of her time with the Doctor being beaten up, tied up, blinded, and otherwise abused, and the capstone is that when at the end of her time, instead of dropping her home in South Croydon, he leaves her in [[spoiler:''Scotland''.]]



* Mickey? Mickey? ''Mickey'', anyone?!
** Mickey's something of an unintentional Woobie; it seems like he was supposed to be the ButtMonkey, but the Doctor's relentless dismissiveness of him made Mickey far more sympathetic than he ought to be.
*** Not sure I'd say it was unintentional, myself; more that he develops from ButtMonkey to Woobie. The specific moment of his transformation from one to the other was when we found out what happened to his grandmother, who literally raised him after his parents walked out, and how he blames himself for it.



* The Ood are more or less a race of alien woobies.
* What about Kingpin and Bellboy from ''The Greatest Show in the Galaxy''? [[spoiler:With Flowerchild, Juniper Berry, and Peace Pipe dead]], they're the only ones left who resist [[spoiler:the Gods of Ragnarok]], and they've been all but destroyed themselves.

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* The Ood are more or less a race of alien woobies.
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Kingpin and Bellboy from ''The Greatest Show in the Galaxy''? Galaxy''. [[spoiler:With Flowerchild, Juniper Berry, and Peace Pipe dead]], they're the only ones left who resist [[spoiler:the Gods of Ragnarok]], and they've been all but destroyed themselves.



** Don't forget about the [[spoiler:controlling]] father who [[spoiler:Ianto says broke his leg]] or the way he [[spoiler:dies just as he's getting his life and relationships in order]].
** Or the fact that it seemed the Torchwood team [[spoiler:never really knew about Ianto's true past pre-Torchwood, for instance that his father wasn't a master tailor]]. According to his sister, this indicated [[spoiler:just how little his co-workers really knew him]]. Also, many fans were bothered by the fact that Jack [[spoiler:didn't grant him an "I love you too" after Ianto's death bed confession of affection]] and some believe, despite his promises, he will one day [[spoiler:forget about his Torchwood fling with the teaboy]]. Prior to this season, I didn't believe Ianto was, as another poster states, "woobiest character in the [[{{Whoniverse}} Doctor Who Universe]]", but ''now'' I'd say he's definitely in the running for that title.
** Nonetheless, lots of characters had it worse.
*** Name more than two.
* If we're talking ''{{Torchwood}}'', what about Toshiko? Spends most of her time pining for a man who makes no secret of the fact he's having sex with dozens of other women 24/7 yet doesn't even look twice at her. Falls in love with a woman who turns out to be a heart-eating baddy. Finally gets the man she loves to agree to go out with her and he winds up dying. He then comes back as a zombie, replete with heaping loads of angst. And finally she has to comfort him as he's about to die WHILE dying herself. Oh yes, and she also gets [[BrainRape brainwashed]] into falling in love with someone, so technically she's been raped as well. Seriously, if there's a female character in the history of the Whoniverse who's had it tougher I can't think of them.

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** Don't forget about the He has a [[spoiler:controlling]] father who [[spoiler:Ianto says broke his leg]] or the way he [[spoiler:dies just as he's getting his life and relationships in order]].
** Or There's the fact that it seemed the Torchwood team [[spoiler:never really knew about Ianto's true past pre-Torchwood, for instance that his father wasn't a master tailor]]. According to his sister, this indicated [[spoiler:just how little his co-workers really knew him]]. Also, many fans were bothered by the fact that Jack [[spoiler:didn't grant him an "I love you too" after Ianto's death bed confession of affection]] and some believe, despite his promises, he will one day [[spoiler:forget about his Torchwood fling with the teaboy]]. Prior to this season, I didn't believe Ianto was, as another poster states, "woobiest character in the [[{{Whoniverse}} Doctor Who Universe]]", but ''now'' I'd say he's definitely in the running for that title.
** Nonetheless, lots of characters had it worse.
*** Name more than two.
* If we're talking ''{{Torchwood}}'', what about Toshiko? Spends Toshiko Sato spends most of her time pining for a man who makes no secret of the fact he's having sex with dozens of other women 24/7 yet doesn't even look twice at her. Falls in love with a woman who turns out to be a heart-eating baddy. Finally gets the man she loves to agree to go out with her and he winds up dying. He then comes back as a zombie, replete with heaping loads of angst. And finally she has to comfort him as he's about to die WHILE dying herself. Oh yes, and she also gets [[BrainRape brainwashed]] into falling in love with someone, so technically she's been raped as well. Seriously, if there's a female character in the history of the Whoniverse who's had it tougher I can't think of them.



** That is all.
*** No it isn't. We also have the whole reason she joined Torchwood in the first place. [[spoiler:Her mother is kidnapped and she's forced to steal top secret info in order to free her. Then of course the kidnappers refuse to let Mum go to force her to steal more. Then she's arrested and thrown into a UNIT prison for who knows how long with no trial. Jack eventually comes to her rescue but only if she'll work for him. She'll be allowed to send an occasional post card to her mother.... ]]

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** That is all.
*** No it isn't. We also have the whole reason she joined Torchwood in the first place. [[spoiler:Her mother is kidnapped and she's forced to steal top secret info in order to free her. Then of course the kidnappers refuse to let Mum go to force her to steal more. Then she's arrested and thrown into a UNIT prison for who knows how long with no trial. Jack eventually comes to her rescue but only if she'll work for him. She'll be allowed to send an occasional post card to her mother.... ]]
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--->[[spoiler: "[[FamousLastWords I don't wanna go]]."]]

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* Fans of Adric tend to see him as a woobie rather than TheScrappy; his parents died at some point before his first appearance, then his brother was killed in front of him. He's constantly trying to prove himself to the Doctor only to be scolded when he messes up (and even sometimes when he ''doesn't''; there's a moment in the novel ''Cold Fusion'' where the Doctor ignores and then chides him for ''asking if he's okay after having a seizure''), repeatedly fails to save people (including his mentor and his brother ''in his introductory story'', which itself contains a bit of RealitySubtext since Matthew Waterhouse's own older brother had committed suicide just 2 years earlier), and then [[spoiler: he [[DyingAlone dies alone]] thinking he'd just ''failed to save the world'']]. Oh, and he was almost turned into a vampire. And when he was tired of being an outcast (see quotes below) and wanted to leave the TARDIS crew to go back to E-Space, he and the Doctor got into a fight in which the Doctor's argument was basically "you can ''never go home again.''" [[PennyAnna This Troper]] knows it's an unpopular opinion, but... damn it, he'd appreciate being fed soup more than most!

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* Fans of Adric tend to see him as a woobie rather than TheScrappy; his parents died at some point before his first appearance, then his brother was killed in front of him. He's constantly trying to prove himself to the Doctor only to be scolded when he messes up (and even sometimes when he ''doesn't''; there's a moment in the novel ''Cold Fusion'' where the Doctor ignores and then chides him for ''asking if he's okay after having a seizure''), repeatedly fails to save people (including his mentor and his brother ''in his introductory story'', which itself contains a bit of RealitySubtext since Matthew Waterhouse's own older brother had committed suicide just 2 years earlier), spends ''nearly all of'' "Castrovalva" being [[MindProbe Mind Probed]] by the Master while desperately fighting to keep him from hurting his friends, and then [[spoiler: he [[DyingAlone dies alone]] thinking he'd just ''failed to save the world'']]. Oh, and he was almost turned into a vampire. And when he was tired of being an outcast (see quotes below) and wanted to leave the TARDIS crew to go back to E-Space, he and the Doctor got into a fight in which the Doctor's argument was basically "you can ''never go home again.''" [[PennyAnna This Troper]] knows it's an unpopular opinion, but... damn it, he'd appreciate being fed soup more than most!
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* VillainWithGoodPublicity Ramón Salamander's actions and demeanor tend to woobify any decent person under him. Especially those thirty-odd people in the shelter.

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* Haroun, Maimuna, and Safiya from ''The Crusade''
-->'''Haroun''': Last year my house was a fine and happy place. A gentle wife, a son who honoured and obeyed me, and two daughters who adorned whatever place they visited. Then El Akir came to Lydda and imposed his will. He desired my eldest daughter, Maimuna, but I refused him.//
'''Barbara''': So he took her?//

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* Haroun, Maimuna, and Safiya from ''The Crusade''
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-->'''Haroun''': Last year my house was a fine and happy place. A gentle wife, a son who honoured and obeyed me, and two daughters who adorned whatever place they visited. Then El Akir came to Lydda and imposed his will. He desired my eldest daughter, Maimuna, but I refused him.//
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* Haroun, Maimuna, and Safiya from ''The Crusade''
-->'''Haroun''': Last year my house was a fine and happy place. A gentle wife, a son who honoured and obeyed me, and two daughters who adorned whatever place they visited. Then El Akir came to Lydda and imposed his will. He desired my eldest daughter, Maimuna, but I refused him.//
'''Barbara''': So he took her?//
'''Haroun''': Yes. Well, when Safiya and I were away he came and burned my house. My wife and son were put to the sword.
* VillainWithGoodPublicity Ramón Salamander's actions and demeanor tend to woobify any decent person under him. Especially those thirty-odd people in the shelter.
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* Fans of Adric tend to see him as a woobie rather than TheScrappy; his parents died at some point before his first appearance, then his brother was killed in front of him. He's constantly trying to prove himself to the Doctor only to be scolded when he messes up (and sometimes when he ''doesn't''; there's even a moment in the novel ''Cold Fusion'' where the Doctor ignores and then chides him for ''asking if he's alright after having a seizure''), repeatedly fails to save people (including his mentor and his brother ''in his introductory story'', which itself contains a bit of RealitySubtext since Matthew Waterhouse's own older brother had committed suicide just 2 years earlier), and then [[spoiler: he [[DyingAlone dies alone]] thinking he'd just ''failed to save the world'']]. Oh, and he was almost turned into a vampire. And when he was tired of being an outcast (see quotes below) and wanted to leave the TARDIS crew to go back to E-Space, he and the Doctor got into a fight in which the Doctor's argument was basically "you can ''never go home again.''" [[PennyAnna This Troper]] knows it's an unpopular opinion, but... damn it, he'd appreciate being fed soup more than most!

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* Fans of Adric tend to see him as a woobie rather than TheScrappy; his parents died at some point before his first appearance, then his brother was killed in front of him. He's constantly trying to prove himself to the Doctor only to be scolded when he messes up (and even sometimes when he ''doesn't''; there's even a moment in the novel ''Cold Fusion'' where the Doctor ignores and then chides him for ''asking if he's alright okay after having a seizure''), repeatedly fails to save people (including his mentor and his brother ''in his introductory story'', which itself contains a bit of RealitySubtext since Matthew Waterhouse's own older brother had committed suicide just 2 years earlier), and then [[spoiler: he [[DyingAlone dies alone]] thinking he'd just ''failed to save the world'']]. Oh, and he was almost turned into a vampire. And when he was tired of being an outcast (see quotes below) and wanted to leave the TARDIS crew to go back to E-Space, he and the Doctor got into a fight in which the Doctor's argument was basically "you can ''never go home again.''" [[PennyAnna This Troper]] knows it's an unpopular opinion, but... damn it, he'd appreciate being fed soup more than most!
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* Fans of Adric tend to see him as a woobie rather than TheScrappy; his parents died at some point before his first appearance, then his brother was killed in front of him. He's constantly trying to prove himself to the Doctor only to be scolded when he messes up, repeatedly fails to save people (including his mentor and his brother ''in his introductory story'', which itself contains a bit of RealitySubtext since Matthew Waterhouse's own older brother had committed suicide just 2 years earlier), and then [[spoiler: he [[DyingAlone dies alone]] thinking he'd just ''failed to save the world'']]. Oh, and he was almost turned into a vampire. And when he was tired of being an outcast (see quotes below) and wanted to leave the TARDIS crew to go back to E-Space, he and the Doctor got into a fight in which the Doctor's argument was basically "you can ''never go home again.''" [[PennyAnna This Troper]] knows it's an unpopular opinion, but... damn it, he'd appreciate being fed soup more than most!

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* Fans of Adric tend to see him as a woobie rather than TheScrappy; his parents died at some point before his first appearance, then his brother was killed in front of him. He's constantly trying to prove himself to the Doctor only to be scolded when he messes up, up (and sometimes when he ''doesn't''; there's even a moment in the novel ''Cold Fusion'' where the Doctor ignores and then chides him for ''asking if he's alright after having a seizure''), repeatedly fails to save people (including his mentor and his brother ''in his introductory story'', which itself contains a bit of RealitySubtext since Matthew Waterhouse's own older brother had committed suicide just 2 years earlier), and then [[spoiler: he [[DyingAlone dies alone]] thinking he'd just ''failed to save the world'']]. Oh, and he was almost turned into a vampire. And when he was tired of being an outcast (see quotes below) and wanted to leave the TARDIS crew to go back to E-Space, he and the Doctor got into a fight in which the Doctor's argument was basically "you can ''never go home again.''" [[PennyAnna This Troper]] knows it's an unpopular opinion, but... damn it, he'd appreciate being fed soup more than most!
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** ''[[BigFinishDoctorWho The Boy That Time Forgot]]'' cranks it up quite a few notches, especially when we learn the true nature of [[spoiler: how he survived "Earthshock": The Doctor's subconscious guilt had taken over during block transfer computations, creating an ''alternate universe'' for the freighter to crash in harmlessly, leaving our young Alzarian all alone in a jungle world without humanoid contact for ''500 years'' and eventually turning him into a crazed insect-king abomination in time obsessed with revenge who just wanted someone to love him again.]] Oh, ''Adric...''

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** ''[[BigFinishDoctorWho The Boy That Time Forgot]]'' Forgot]]'', debatable canon aside, cranks it up quite a few notches, especially when we learn the true nature of [[spoiler: how he survived "Earthshock": The Doctor's subconscious guilt had taken over during block transfer computations, creating an ''alternate universe'' for the freighter to crash in harmlessly, leaving our young Alzarian all alone in a jungle world without humanoid contact for ''500 years'' and eventually turning him into a crazed insect-king abomination in time obsessed with revenge who just wanted someone to love him again.]] Oh, ''Adric...''

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* Fans of Adric tend to see him as a woobie rather than TheScrappy; his parents died at some point before his first appearance, then his brother was killed in front of him. He's constantly trying to prove himself to the Doctor only to be scolded when he messes up, repeatedly fails to save people (including his mentor and his brother ''in his introductory story''), and then [[spoiler: he [[DyingAlone dies alone]] thinking he'd just ''failed to save the world'']]. Oh, and he was almost turned into a vampire. And when he was tired of being an outcast (see quotes below) and wanted to leave the TARDIS crew to go back to E-Space, he and the Doctor got into a fight in which the Doctor's argument was basically "you can ''never go home again.''" [[PennyAnna This Troper]] knows it's an unpopular opinion, but... damn it, he'd appreciate being fed soup more than most!

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* Fans of Adric tend to see him as a woobie rather than TheScrappy; his parents died at some point before his first appearance, then his brother was killed in front of him. He's constantly trying to prove himself to the Doctor only to be scolded when he messes up, repeatedly fails to save people (including his mentor and his brother ''in his introductory story''), story'', which itself contains a bit of RealitySubtext since Matthew Waterhouse's own older brother had committed suicide just 2 years earlier), and then [[spoiler: he [[DyingAlone dies alone]] thinking he'd just ''failed to save the world'']]. Oh, and he was almost turned into a vampire. And when he was tired of being an outcast (see quotes below) and wanted to leave the TARDIS crew to go back to E-Space, he and the Doctor got into a fight in which the Doctor's argument was basically "you can ''never go home again.''" [[PennyAnna This Troper]] knows it's an unpopular opinion, but... damn it, he'd appreciate being fed soup more than most!


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** In the end, the worst part is ultimately the fact that you can't take Adric in your arms and tell him everything's going to be okay...[[Recap/DoctorWhoS19E6Earthshock because it won't be.]]

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