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* [[FridgeBrilliance Maybe his hard work in keeping an eye out for this sort of phenomenon is why he has some limitations]] - why he is so distracted and why he knows he couldn't destroy ALL the missles in a nuclear attack. He's so paranoid he's always keeping an eye on the "limbo" where he formed.
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** I believe the intent was "Aspergerss plus a ''ton'' of other issues on top of it." I'm sure we're all aware that Asperger's doesn't make people that disturbed without other issues getting involved.
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** I believe the intent was "Aspergerss "Asperger's plus a ''ton'' of other issues on top of it." I'm sure we're all aware that Asperger's doesn't make people that disturbed without other issues getting involved.
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* Do Rorschach and Dr. Manhattan really need disorders to explain their behavior? Rorscach had a childhood that would mess up anybody. Dr. Manhattan has trouble thinking like other people because of his superpowers; he doesn't seem to have a problem with this before his accident. If they had Asperger's Syndrome, that really wouldn't be the worst of their problems.
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* Do Rorschach and Dr. Manhattan really need disorders to explain their behavior? Rorscach Rorschach had a childhood that would mess up anybody. Dr. Manhattan has trouble thinking like other people because of his superpowers; he doesn't seem to have a problem with this before his accident. If they had Asperger's Syndrome, that really wouldn't be the worst of their problems.
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** Explain them, no. Not everything that Rorschach or Dr. Manhattan does really has to have anything to do with Asperger's Syndrome. However, they do show some of the symptoms and the description does possibly apply to them. Moreover, their screwed-up lives may be a cause rather than an effect of Asperger's Syndrome, or cause and effect could be a two-way street.
*** The case for Dr. Manhattan's having A.S. does strike me as considerably weaker than Rorschach's, since Jon Osterman's life before having superpowers is shown to have been that of a fairly ordinary if somewhat shy and nerdy scientist. However, the effect his superpowers had on his perspective could well have induced something similar to having Asperger's; just as some claim we're all aspies when we're on the internet (because of the reduced capacity for giving and receiving social cues), maybe Manhattan isn't inherently an aspie, but behaves like one due to the unique way his powers socially isolate him.
*** As for Rorschach, how much of his personality is inherent and how much of it came from his traumatic upbringing is always in question, but he does show a lot more of the obvious Asperger's symptoms. The awkward handshake with Daniel Dreiberg is particularly telling: he just plain missed the social cue that ten seconds or so is enough and then he should stop shaking hands with his friend. Rorschach also has a lot of trouble with simple common courtesies (such as answering the rhetorical greetings of others, and greeting his friends when they come to break him out of prison), though he's hardly lacking in compassion; Daniel's girlfriend Laurie in particular finds his odd behaviors very rude and offputting, though Daniel sees through this to Rorschach's better qualities and tries to tell her about them. Rorschach also displays a rather single-minded devotion to his work as a costumed hero, typical of an Aspergerish obsession. As Daniel Dreiberg mentions at one point, back when they were regular partners, Rorschach was both a brilliant tacticion and very unpredictable although he believes "that mask has eaten his brains" too. All the fighting Rorschach does later demonstrates he still is very talented at this. One could tentatively identify any number of other personality disorders in him, but these symptoms do fit Asperger's Syndrome particularly well.
** Explain them, no. Not everything that Rorschach or Dr. Manhattan does really has to have anything to do with Asperger's Syndrome. However, they do show some of the symptoms and the description does possibly apply to them. Moreover, their screwed-up lives may be a cause rather than an effect of Asperger's Syndrome, or cause and effect could be a two-way street.
*** The case for Dr. Manhattan's having A.S. does strike me as considerably weaker than Rorschach's, since Jon Osterman's life before having superpowers is shown to have been that of a fairly ordinary if somewhat shy and nerdy scientist. However, the effect his superpowers had on his perspective could well have induced something similar to having Asperger's; just as some claim we're all aspies when we're on the internet (because of the reduced capacity for giving and receiving social cues), maybe Manhattan isn't inherently an aspie, but behaves like one due to the unique way his powers socially isolate him.
*** As for Rorschach, how much of his personality is inherent and how much of it came from his traumatic upbringing is always in question, but he does show a lot more of the obvious Asperger's symptoms. The awkward handshake with Daniel Dreiberg is particularly telling: he just plain missed the social cue that ten seconds or so is enough and then he should stop shaking hands with his friend. Rorschach also has a lot of trouble with simple common courtesies (such as answering the rhetorical greetings of others, and greeting his friends when they come to break him out of prison), though he's hardly lacking in compassion; Daniel's girlfriend Laurie in particular finds his odd behaviors very rude and offputting, though Daniel sees through this to Rorschach's better qualities and tries to tell her about them. Rorschach also displays a rather single-minded devotion to his work as a costumed hero, typical of an Aspergerish obsession. As Daniel Dreiberg mentions at one point, back when they were regular partners, Rorschach was both a brilliant tacticion and very unpredictable although he believes "that mask has eaten his brains" too. All the fighting Rorschach does later demonstrates he still is very talented at this. One could tentatively identify any number of other personality disorders in him, but these symptoms do fit Asperger's Syndrome particularly well.
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[[WMG: There is no squid]]
The squid itself is a hallucination brought on by psychic MindRape. Rather than go through the trouble of developing an entire scientific field of cloning and genetic manipulation to a ridiculous level, Ozymandias limited himself to psychic mind-control technology and made everyone in the world ''believe'' there was a squid. However, he didn't stop there, he also made it so everyone recognized EnemyMine as the only solution. This way, you need the less technology, but get a more reliable end result which still matches everything in the comic. This also explains why the news reports the kidnappings of several artists, and why Ozymandias mentions using a psychic, but you never hear about an entire army of biologists being kidnapped, or see a large enough base anywhere to house a city-sized squid. It also explains why the squid can violate the square cube law and not instantaneously collapse and explode like a beached whale. Any news material could be edited before the effects wear off, or perhaps the trans-dimensional research institute released a helium blimp with a post-hypnotic suggestion symbol making anyone who sees that symbol automatically see the giant squid. Even Dr. Manhattan's prediction can be explained - the psychic manipulation works on Ozymandias himself, but not Manhattan, so he doesn't know what flaws the plan would have anymore (such as the psychic bomb only effecting those currently alive, or perhaps the effects being only temporary).
The squid itself is a hallucination brought on by psychic MindRape. Rather than go through the trouble of developing an entire scientific field of cloning and genetic manipulation to a ridiculous level, Ozymandias limited himself to psychic mind-control technology and made everyone in the world ''believe'' there was a squid. However, he didn't stop there, he also made it so everyone recognized EnemyMine as the only solution. This way, you need the less technology, but get a more reliable end result which still matches everything in the comic. This also explains why the news reports the kidnappings of several artists, and why Ozymandias mentions using a psychic, but you never hear about an entire army of biologists being kidnapped, or see a large enough base anywhere to house a city-sized squid. It also explains why the squid can violate the square cube law and not instantaneously collapse and explode like a beached whale. Any news material could be edited before the effects wear off, or perhaps the trans-dimensional research institute released a helium blimp with a post-hypnotic suggestion symbol making anyone who sees that symbol automatically see the giant squid. Even Dr. Manhattan's prediction can be explained - the psychic manipulation works on Ozymandias himself, but not Manhattan, so he doesn't know what flaws the plan would have anymore (such as the psychic bomb only effecting those currently alive, or perhaps the effects being only temporary).
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[[WMG: Dr. Manhattan becomes Galactus]]
Dr. Manhattan goes off across the universe to start his new civilization. He watches them over the millions of years, as the new humanoid race becomes known as Taa. Dr.Manhattan then integrates into this society under the guise of Galan, and eventually forgets all about his past and powers. Then, when the Big Crunch happens, it's Galan's/Manhattan's dormant powers that let him survive and merge with the sentience of the universe. He became Galactus, with powers amped to an insane degree. Turns Norin Radd into the Silver Surfer, as it stirs old memories of a past life that Galactus can't fully recall.
Dr. Manhattan goes off across the universe to start his new civilization. He watches them over the millions of years, as the new humanoid race becomes known as Taa. Dr.Manhattan then integrates into this society under the guise of Galan, and eventually forgets all about his past and powers. Then, when the Big Crunch happens, it's Galan's/Manhattan's dormant powers that let him survive and merge with the sentience of the universe. He became Galactus, with powers amped to an insane degree. Turns Norin Radd into the Silver Surfer, as it stirs old memories of a past life that Galactus can't fully recall.
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[[WMG: The US Government kept The Comedian on their payrole after the Keane Act so he wouldn't kill innocent civilians.]]
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Fact 1: Dr. Manhattan is omniscient and has precognitive abilities.
Fact 2: Dr. Manhattan is nowhere near stupid enough to beleive that Rorshach was stupid enough to go to Antarctica wihtout making preparations of some sort beforehand.
Fact 3: Dr. Manhattan's final words to Veidt (before ditching the Earth to "make human life of his own") are a cryptic "nothing ever ends".
Fact 2: Dr. Manhattan is nowhere near stupid enough to beleive that Rorshach was stupid enough to go to Antarctica wihtout making preparations of some sort beforehand.
Fact 3: Dr. Manhattan's final words to Veidt (before ditching the Earth to "make human life of his own") are a cryptic "nothing ever ends".
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* Fact 1: Dr. Manhattan is omniscient and has precognitive abilities.
* Fact 2: Dr. Manhattan is nowhere near stupid enough to beleive that Rorshach was stupid enough to go to Antarctica wihtout making preparations of some sort beforehand.
* Fact 3: Dr. Manhattan's final words to Veidt (before ditching the Earth to "make human life of his own") are a cryptic "nothing ever ends".
* Fact 2: Dr. Manhattan is nowhere near stupid enough to beleive that Rorshach was stupid enough to go to Antarctica wihtout making preparations of some sort beforehand.
* Fact 3: Dr. Manhattan's final words to Veidt (before ditching the Earth to "make human life of his own") are a cryptic "nothing ever ends".
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[[WMG: The US Government kept The Comedian on their payrole after the Keane Act so he wouldn't kill innocent civilians.]]
They probably were aware he was a psychopath who loved nothing better than to kill his victims. They were also aware that he was mainly into contract killing to quench his blood lust. So they figured that keeping him in work would stop him from killing innocents.
They probably were aware he was a psychopath who loved nothing better than to kill his victims. They were also aware that he was mainly into contract killing to quench his blood lust. So they figured that keeping him in work would stop him from killing innocents.
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[[WMG: Dr Manhatten is [[TheBible God]].]]
After the end of the story, he learnt how to time travel, and went back to the dawn of time to create the universe, and ultimately create life and human existence. [[FridgeBrilliance He, technically, would have created himself!]]
The second coming of Christ will involve him coming back to save humankind from the nuclear fallout resulting from Rorschach's journal.
[[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And God is American.]]
After the end of the story, he learnt how to time travel, and went back to the dawn of time to create the universe, and ultimately create life and human existence. [[FridgeBrilliance He, technically, would have created himself!]]
The second coming of Christ will involve him coming back to save humankind from the nuclear fallout resulting from Rorschach's journal.
[[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And God is American.]]
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**** Rorschach would kill her violently.
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* [[@/{{Four-Star}} I]] thought the same thing before I've read the end of the graphic novel. I thought the Comedian's murderer was the grown-up child of the Vietnamese girl. He (or she) wanted revenge on his (or her) father for trying to abandoning his (or her) mother and killing her. The child would have been hired by Ozymandias, who most likely learned about this.
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* [[@/{{Four-Star}} [[@/TitoMosquito I]] thought the same thing before I've read the end of the graphic novel. I thought the Comedian's murderer was the grown-up child of the Vietnamese girl. He (or she) wanted revenge on his (or her) father for trying to abandoning his (or her) mother and killing her. The child would have been hired by Ozymandias, who most likely learned about this.
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He's not concerned with being caught. If the world finds out he did it, that just allows them to unite over hatred of ''him''.
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* The two aren't completely mutually exclusive -- someone who wanted to kill Silhouette for other reasons (most likely revenge, as suggested above) might be spurred into acting on that impulse by the outing. The killer could be both vengeful ''and'' homophobic, or perhaps vengeful and clever enough to figure that the risk of being caught was less (because the authorities would jump to the wrong conclusion about the motive, and would be less motivated about investigating a crime against a lesbian).
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* The two aren't completely mutually exclusive -- someone who wanted to kill Silhouette for other reasons (most likely revenge, as suggested above) might be spurred into acting on that impulse by the outing. The outing, In addition to the "lost the protection of the group" opportunity noted above, the killer could be both vengeful ''and'' homophobic, or perhaps he killer could be vengeful and clever enough to figure that the risk of being caught afterward was less (because the authorities would jump to the wrong conclusion about the motive, and would be less motivated about investigating a crime against a lesbian).
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* The two aren't completely mutually exclusive -- someone who wanted to kill Silhouette for other reasons (most likely revenge, as suggested above) might be spurred into acting on that impulse by the outing. The killer could be both vengeful ''and'' homophobic, or perhaps vengeful and clever enough to figure that the risk of being caught was less (because the authorities would jump to the wrong conclusion about the motive, and would be less motivated about investigating a crime against a lesbian).
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**This only works in the GN, though. Matthew Goode has explicitly stated that film!Veidt was the son of a Nazi family himself, and it was ironically him rebelling against that upbringing that lead him to go down the path he ultimately embarked on.
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** I believe the intent was "Aspergerss plus a ''ton'' of other issues on top of it." I'm sure we're all aware that Asperger's doesn't make people that disturbed without other issues getting involved.
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[[WMG: All the victims caught in the Explosion at the end, ascended and became the {{TheNines}}]].
I mean look at Doctor Manhattan, a living person caught in the energy and became a walking god. At the end all those victims didn't implode like those that Doctor Manhattan waves at. Millions of people consumed by the same power as him. Time goes by they reassemble as higher life forms able to tune into the universe and control it. One of them, a former Canadian who has a passing resemblence to {{RyanRenolds}}
I mean look at Doctor Manhattan, a living person caught in the energy and became a walking god. At the end all those victims didn't implode like those that Doctor Manhattan waves at. Millions of people consumed by the same power as him. Time goes by they reassemble as higher life forms able to tune into the universe and control it. One of them, a former Canadian who has a passing resemblence to {{RyanRenolds}}
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[[WMG: Dr. Manhattan is [[MagicTheGathering Planeswalker]].]]
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[[WMG: Dr. Manhattan is a [[MagicTheGathering Planeswalker]].]]
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**[[http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/52ebda7fe1/watchmen-saturday John can give you cancer, and he'll turn into a car!]]
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**'''"I can't kill anybody. EECCCH. So don't ask."''' - Of course not, because if he can kill anybody, he can kill everybody, and he doesn't want to effect such long-lasting changes on humanity, especially not before Jon Ostermann was even born.
**'''"I can't make anybody fall in love with anybody else, MMMWA! you liddle put'm there!"''' - Couldn't salvage his relationship with Laurie, and says one of the things he "can't change" is human nature.
**'''"I can't bring people back from the dead, it's not a pretty picture, I don't like doing it!"''' - If he could do that, why wouldn't he?
**Also, when he makes Jafar into another genie, that genie is red and severely limited in his power. He obviously did not duplicate the same experiment that "made him". Probably just game him some illusions of power before locking the crazy mo-fo away (sequels being non-canon of course).
***Along that same vein: '''"...and NO wishing for more wishes! That's it, THREE: uno, dos, tres. No substitutions, expansions or refunds!"''' - he also carefully limits the wisher's power, no need letting himself be a TOTAL puppet again ._. .
**It all begs the question; what happens now that he was actually WISHED FREE?
**'''"I can't make anybody fall in love with anybody else, MMMWA! you liddle put'm there!"''' - Couldn't salvage his relationship with Laurie, and says one of the things he "can't change" is human nature.
**'''"I can't bring people back from the dead, it's not a pretty picture, I don't like doing it!"''' - If he could do that, why wouldn't he?
**Also, when he makes Jafar into another genie, that genie is red and severely limited in his power. He obviously did not duplicate the same experiment that "made him". Probably just game him some illusions of power before locking the crazy mo-fo away (sequels being non-canon of course).
***Along that same vein: '''"...and NO wishing for more wishes! That's it, THREE: uno, dos, tres. No substitutions, expansions or refunds!"''' - he also carefully limits the wisher's power, no need letting himself be a TOTAL puppet again ._. .
**It all begs the question; what happens now that he was actually WISHED FREE?
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Hell is destroyed in Doom 2 and this is the only explanation on how the Doomguy is awesome enough to do this.
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* [[DoomRepercussionsOfEvil The Doom Marine's name has been revealed as John Stalvern]]. Why would Blake change his name?
* [[DoomRepercussionsOfEvil The Doom Marine's name has been revealed as John Stalvern]]. Why would Blake change his name?
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[[WMG: Dr. Manhattan is [[MagicTheGathering Planeswalker]].]]
Prior to the storyline of Time Spiral, older planeswalkers were [[AGodAmI immortal, invulnerable, shapeshifting beings capable of bending reality to their whim]]. Most planeswalkers ignite their spark by having a near-death experience, and Jon Osterman's spark may have been the only thing to save him from the Intrinsic Field Subtractor.
Prior to the storyline of Time Spiral, older planeswalkers were [[AGodAmI immortal, invulnerable, shapeshifting beings capable of bending reality to their whim]]. Most planeswalkers ignite their spark by having a near-death experience, and Jon Osterman's spark may have been the only thing to save him from the Intrinsic Field Subtractor.
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[[WMG: The Comedian was trying to get the Keene Act started.]]
Every horrible thing he did was part of a conscious effort to convince the public that costumed vigilantes were dangerous and unstable.
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[[WMG: The Question I was Rorschach's father.]]
It takes a special kind of person to feel most comfortable without a face. Possibly genetic? Must investigate further. Also, Question's real name was Charles. As in, Charlie. Think about it.
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[[WMG: Ozymandias has turned himself into a [[BadassAbnormal superhuman]].]]
Veidt, despite being older than Rorschach or Nite Owl, is able to [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown effortlessly beat the shit]] [[CurbstompBattle out of both of them]] [[TalkingIsAFreeAction while talking about his plan]]; he also has [[RetiredBadass retired from crimefighting]], making it even more unlikely for him to maintain or reach such a level of skill and power. He does, however, have a genius-level intellect as well as insanely high ressources, so it's possible that he already created some kind of [[SuperSerum super serum]] that gave him superhuman reflexes, speed, strength, and endurance. At least in the comic, his experiments could have, more or less directly, [[spoiler:led to the creation of the monster which he set on New York]].
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*** Not neccessarily. She sees sex as the ultimate expression of love, give her a [[LoveMartyr major savior complex]], put her in a situation where she gets a glimpse of Rorschach's utter [[TheWoobie woobie]] side, add a too-strong belief in LoveRedeems... No idea how Rorschach would react to all of that, but it is a scenario where a nonpromiscuous girl would be willing to sleep with him. [[strike: Now I wish I could write this.]]
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**** Decades of training and an absolutely perfect sense of timing.
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* Actually, it's blatantly stated in [[http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid494808768?bctid=10346945001 this video from the development team]] that the mask changes to reflect his emotions, and they have about fifteen "set patterns" taken directly from the comic that they even defined as expressions. So, in this case, the WMG is right.
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[[WMG: Dr. Manhattan is trying to create a beign similiar to himself.]]
He's travelling between worlds and either creates or enpowers from shadows many beigns, tryign to create perfect companion for him. Hoever, he's not happy with results of those experiments for some reasons and just left them live in their worlds, despide consequences. He's responsible for creating [[{{Hellsing}} Arucard]], [[SuzumiyaHaruhi Haruhi Suzumiya]], at last one of [[HPLovecraft Elder Gods]], {{Akira}}, [[NeonGenesisEvangelion Adam]], [[{{Mindmistress}} Sisters of Twillight]] and many others.
He's travelling between worlds and either creates or enpowers from shadows many beigns, tryign to create perfect companion for him. Hoever, he's not happy with results of those experiments for some reasons and just left them live in their worlds, despide consequences. He's responsible for creating [[{{Hellsing}} Arucard]], [[SuzumiyaHaruhi Haruhi Suzumiya]], at last one of [[HPLovecraft Elder Gods]], {{Akira}}, [[NeonGenesisEvangelion Adam]], [[{{Mindmistress}} Sisters of Twillight]] and many others.
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[[WMG: Dr. Manhattan is trying to create a beign being similiar to himself.]]
He's travelling between worlds and either creates or enpowers from shadows manybeigns, tryign beings, trying to create perfect companion for him. Hoever, he's not happy with results of those experiments for some reasons and just left them live in their worlds, despide consequences. He's responsible for creating [[{{Hellsing}} Arucard]], Alucard]], [[SuzumiyaHaruhi Haruhi Suzumiya]], at last one of [[HPLovecraft Elder Gods]], {{Akira}}, [[NeonGenesisEvangelion Adam]], [[{{Mindmistress}} Sisters of Twillight]] Twillight]], [[TheTwilightZone Anthony Fremont]], {{Zalgo}} and many others.
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* On an interesting note: I read one ''very'' early draft of a "Watchmen" movie script where Ozymandias' plan was [[spoiler: to make a tiny hole in the fabric of space-time to assassinate Osterman before he got disintigrated, eliminating the world's only superhero and turning the ''Watchmen'' reality into '''our''' reality. This somehow transports Laurie, Dan, and Rorschach to the newspaper stand in Times Square, where the comic-book-reading kid ID's them as "the goddamned Watchmen!"... SoYeah.]]
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* On an interesting note: I read one ''very'' early draft of a "Watchmen" movie script where Ozymandias' plan was [[spoiler: to make a tiny hole in the fabric of space-time to assassinate Osterman before he got disintigrated, eliminating the world's only superhero and turning the ''Watchmen'' reality into '''our''' reality. This somehow transports Laurie, Dan, and Rorschach to the newspaper stand in Times Square, where the comic-book-reading kid ID's them as "the goddamned Watchmen!"... SoYeah.]]
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****I thought the same thing before I've read the end. I thought the Comedian's murderer was the grown-up child of the Vietnamese girl. He (or she) wanted revenge for not wanting to have anything to do with him (or her) and for killing his (or her) mother. He (or she) would be hired by Ozymandias, who most likely learned about the Comedian's war history.
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**...DUDE. ''DUDE''. [[MeganPhntmGrl I've]] been using a variation on this for my RP Veidt for like a year now- the differences being that Adrian's father was merely a camp commander who volunteered his pregnant wife over for experimentation on their unborn child. And it wasn't his father's notes that lead Adrian into knowing about genetics. But still. That brings me to my personal WMG:
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**...DUDE. ''DUDE''. [[MeganPhntmGrl [[@/MeganPhntmGrl I've]] been using a variation on this for my RP Veidt for like a year now- the differences being that Adrian's father was merely a camp commander who volunteered his pregnant wife over for experimentation on their unborn child. And it wasn't his father's notes that lead Adrian into knowing about genetics. But still. That brings me to my personal WMG:
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Think about it. If fate was predetermined then the Watchmen universe would not exist, as only one world would be possible, and therefore the entire AlternateHistory would be moot. When Jon sees the future, he sees every possible future, and then "forgets" all the ones that didn't happen. When he says something "will happen" that's only with the most obvious causality, as he's seeing many possible futures with the same event brought on by present causality. When he says it, that just causes it to become a SelfFullingProphecy, as by his actions the universe course corrects. In short, he's subconsciously selecting which future will happen, and forgetting all the others. For example he creates a future in which he meets Laurie because he subconsciously does not want to spend the rest of his life with a woman who's clearly disturbed by who he is, he then subconsciously creates a future where Laurie leaves him because he wants a future where she's happy. He also subconsciously creates a future where America dominates because at first he's subconsciously very nationalistic. Then in Vietnam he becomes disillusioned, and subconsciously creates a future where Veidt goes through with the squid plan because he subconsciously wants peace. All this without him ever being aware of it.
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Think about it. If fate was predetermined then the Watchmen universe would not exist, as only one world would be possible, and therefore the entire AlternateHistory would be moot. When Jon sees the future, he sees every possible future, and then "forgets" all the ones that didn't happen. When he says something "will happen" that's only with the most obvious causality, as he's seeing many possible futures with the same event brought on by present causality. When he says it, that just causes it to become a SelfFullingProphecy, SelfFulfillingProphecy, as by his actions the universe course corrects. In short, he's subconsciously selecting which future will happen, and forgetting all the others. For example he creates a future in which he meets Laurie because he subconsciously does not want to spend the rest of his life with a woman who's clearly disturbed by who he is, he then subconsciously creates a future where Laurie leaves him because he wants a future where she's happy. He also subconsciously creates a future where America dominates because at first he's subconsciously very nationalistic. Then in Vietnam he becomes disillusioned, and subconsciously creates a future where Veidt goes through with the squid plan because he subconsciously wants peace. All this without him ever being aware of it.
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[[WMG: Dr. Manhattan knew about Rorshach's journal]]
Fact 1: Dr. Manhattan is omniscient and has precognitive abilities.
Fact 2: Dr. Manhattan is nowhere near stupid enough to beleive that Rorshach was stupid enough to go to Antarctica wihtout making preparations of some sort beforehand.
Fact 3: Dr. Manhattan's final words to Veidt (before ditching the Earth to "make human life of his own") are a cryptic "nothing ever ends".
Do the math. Killing Rorschach, in a way, killed Dr. Manhattan; after doing so, he decided to cut and run, and perhaps start over in another galaxy somewhere else. He knew that Veidt's peace wouldn't last, and after realizing that humanity's most stubborn champion had finally given up, he gave up on humanity.
Fact 1: Dr. Manhattan is omniscient and has precognitive abilities.
Fact 2: Dr. Manhattan is nowhere near stupid enough to beleive that Rorshach was stupid enough to go to Antarctica wihtout making preparations of some sort beforehand.
Fact 3: Dr. Manhattan's final words to Veidt (before ditching the Earth to "make human life of his own") are a cryptic "nothing ever ends".
Do the math. Killing Rorschach, in a way, killed Dr. Manhattan; after doing so, he decided to cut and run, and perhaps start over in another galaxy somewhere else. He knew that Veidt's peace wouldn't last, and after realizing that humanity's most stubborn champion had finally given up, he gave up on humanity.
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** But Dr. M's interest in life and humanity got rekindled because he was reminded that there's so much miraculous ''randomness'' to the genetic lottery of conception. Why would he create a near-perfect duplicate of the world he came from (minus a few costumed heroes and himself), if it's the marvels of chance that engage his interest? Better to re-start the clock with bacteria, or at least ''Homo habilis'', and wait to see what happens the second time around.
