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*** ''But now'' [[spoiler: He's also alive within the Book of Omens, Shcrodinger's Thundercat?]]

* ''Related Theory'': Thundercats and Beast-Men are GattacaBabies designed to survive outward colonization to escape as the Sun expanded into a Red Giant. Third Earth itself was somehow shifted to a stable orbit held in place between the gravity of Jupiter and the Sun. The lost technology implies an AfterTheEnd storyline, and the talk of ships that fly indicates space travel. The inclusion of animal DNA into human genetic codes may have been to ensure survival in the harsh new conditions. This could also explain the FantasticRacism, as those with tails were seen as being too far removed from their original human ancestors, and were relegated as second class citizens.

He was was being carted to some inter-galactic gulag (possibly by Mandora? Or at least an early incarnation of her organization.) He tried to take over the ship and ended up crashing it on Third Earth. Some of his magic/tech devices and knowledge was stolen by the ancient ThunderCats, and, severely weakened, he put himself in suspended animation to survive. He's actually wanting to re-power up his ship and escape Third Earth!

** [[spoiler:Partially Confirmed. It's his own ship not a prison ship, and not El Dara]] In "Legacy"

[[WMG: Tygra's birth parents were traitors and/or enemies of Thundera.]]
Kind of rips off ''{{Film/Thor}}'' but maybe Tygus being against Leo's rebellion foreshadows that the tigers would later become traitors and break away from Thundera. Tygra's real father might have been killed in battle or by Claudus, who took in his enemy's son to make peace with the tigers or out of guilt or as a pawn to be used later before he started thinking of Tygra as his own son. This may mean there are scattered tigers out there, and they're not very big fans of the ThunderCats.
* There was a ''very'' brief mention in the original series of Tygra belonging to some kind of ''Tiger Clan''. Maybe we'll get a chance to see this clan later on.

** [[spoiler: Not really an issue at this point since as of the Season One finale, this has been Confirmed.]]

[[WMG: Panthro Will Become A Cyborg.]]

[[WMG: Related Theory: Lion-O will enlist the help of the Berbils for Panthro]]
The Berbils seem of be a mix of technology and living flesh and therefore would be the best bet they have to restore Panthro's arms. Also cybernetic arms will only enhance the already staggering [[{{Expy}} resemblance]] Panthro has to [[CowboyBebop Jet Back]]

* ''Related Theory'': Thundercats and Beast-Men are DesignerBabies designed to survive outward colonization to escape as the Sun expanded into a Red Giant. Third Earth itself was somehow shifted to a stable orbit held in place between the gravity of Jupiter and the Sun. The lost technology implies an AfterTheEnd storyline, and the talk of ships that fly indicates space travel. The inclusion of animal DNA into human genetic codes may have been to ensure survival in the harsh new conditions. This could also explain the FantasticRacism, as those with tails were seen as being too far removed from their original human ancestors, and were relegated as second class citizens.

* ''Related Theory'': Thundercats and Beast-Men are GattacaBabies designed to survive outward colonization to escape as the Sun expanded into a Red Giant. Third Earth itself was somehow shifted to a stable orbit held in place between the gravity of Jupiter and the Sun. The lost technology implies an AfterTheEnd storyline, and the talk of ships that fly indicates space travel. The inclusion of animal DNA into human genetic codes may have been to ensure survival in the harsh new conditions. This could also explain the FantasticRacism, as those with tails were seen as being too far removed from their original human ancestors, and were relegated as second class citizens.

Model sheets seem to indicate his powered up form will display pointed ears exceedingly similar to those Thunderians posses. Plus, the showrunners have indicated that his obsession with the ThunderCats will have quite an extensive back-story in this incarnation. Look at the close-up shots of him in "Old Friends". His feet are clawed and he walks on his toes, and his nose faintly resembles that of a cat. Maybe a long, long time ago, he went FromNobodyToNightmare, a cleric who got corrupted by magic and started dabbling in 'black arts' (hey, if there's magic, there's definitely black magic that nobody's allowed to touch but somebody inevitably does). This may have deformed him and turned him into a weird mummy creature and he just played on the image. It could also explain why he claims the Sword of Omens belongs to him - he could've been a member of the royal family. Either way, that would be why he hates the ThunderCats so much and why he wants to take over the realm.

* Could be a {{ShoutOut}} to another [[{{Stargate}} Ra]].
** [[spoiler:Confirmed except that it's his own ship not a prison ship, and not El Dara]] In "Legacy"

Kind of rips off ''{{Film/Thor}}'' but maybe Tygrus being against Leo's rebellion foreshadows that the tigers would later become traitors and break away from Thundera. Tygra's real father might have been killed in battle or by Claudus, who took in his enemy's son to make peace with the tigers or out of guilt or as a pawn to be used later before he started thinking of Tygra as his own son. This may mean there are scattered tigers out there, and they're not very big fans of the ThunderCats.

Since StatusQuoIsGod, and the betrayal is mentioned only in relation to Lion-O, it's probable that Tygra's betrayal will not necessitate a FaceHeelTurn and most likely hurts Lion-O more on an emotional than a physical level. Given the flashbacks in 'Into the Astral Plain', the most likely possibility at this point is that Tygra and Cheetarah will enter into a RelationshipUpgrade.

As Grune seems like too important a character to be killed off after only one season, it's likely he's not dead, but rather, trapped outside of Third Earth, or the Material Realm, or whatever you want to call it. As such, he will eventually learn to project himself onto Third Earth, but won't be able to interact with it fully, meaning, essentially, he'll be an incorporeal shadow. This way they pay homage to another aspect of the original 80s Grune-that he was a ghost-while performing another Jaga-like MetaTwist, namely, that Grune isn't actually dead and also leaves the door open for him to escape his imprisonment at a later date. Alternatively, Mumm-Ra could free Grune whenever he wants, but knows (or will find out from Sslithe) that Grune was planning on betraying him, and will decide to leave Grune where he is as a form of punishment for his attempted treachery.
* Here's a crazy thought: Grune will somehow gain a connection to Panthro. Much like Hammerhand becoming a clone of Panthro, Grune will either return to Third Earth as a sort of Doppleganger, or pehaps use Panthro's lost arms to take on his appearance to screw with the Thundercats by sowing distrust among them.

*** ''But now'' [[spoiler: He's also alive within the Book of Omens, Shrodinger's Thundercat?]]

[[WMG: A female Panther character will join the cast as a love intrest for Lion-O]]
Legacy showed that his ancester had a Panther for a love intrest. For added hilarity, she'll be a relative of Panthro's.

Needing to get his head together after finding out about Tygra and Cheetarah Lion-O either strikes out on his own or is otherwise separated in combat from the core team. It is during this time that he will find Lynx-O, Pumyra, and Bengali, and possibly undergo the trials that complete his transformation from brash idealistic teenager, to a mature king. This could work well because being left alone is part of the archetypal hero's journey and it would be a chance to alternate between Lion-O's adventures and that of the other Thundercats giving the chance for both to undergo character development.

Most of them will refuse to follow Lion-O at first, because [[NiceJobBreakingItHero he forced the captured Lizards to be free and they returned with reinforcements]]. They'll call him out for defending their enemies and say something like he disappointed his father. Lion-O will have a brief HeroicBSOD. But eventually he'll come out of it to help the slaves, who still don't want his help. Then he'll [[CallingTheOldManOut call them out]] for [[NotSoDifferent being as bad as the Lizards were]] when the Thundereans were supposed to be a peaceful and noble race. This made them realize what they had become and accept Lion-O's help and accept him.

In that the prophecy that's quoted in the prologue ''doesn't'' apply to Lion-O, but possibly to Tygra or even Wiley Kat. The producers have shown that they're not afraid to mess with the formula a bit (Lion-O and Tygra are brothers, Thundera is a kingdom on Third Earth, Panthro not joining the group until later, Snarf no longer being able to talk, [[spoiler: Jaga being freakin' ''alive!'']]), maybe they're saving the biggest surprise for last.

* It might be a practice that's done fairly early on before the tail can fully develop so removing it won't cause problems with balance and whatnot (they are cats after all). Wiley Kit and Kat's parents died before they could have it done and now the two of them are "too old" as they are used to using and having it on a daily basis. However it may be revealed that having a tail gives them an advantage over other Thunderians, such as superior balance and agility.

Lion-O kills Mumm-Ra, bringing peace to Thundera and officially becoming king (like the finale Anoinment Trial episode). However, as the crowd cheers, the episode will end with Mumm-Ra becoming alive again.

Much like ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' it could even be a season worth of episodes to rescue the endentured Thunderians and for the two slave lizardmen from the pilot to join the group.

Though he'll admit he couldn't rightfully claim Cheetara as his girlfriend, he'll begin to have concerns about how well he can trust the others. This will tie into Annointment trials, with the others preparing for them and their sudden distance leading Lion-O to truly wonder if they're loyal or not. In the end, he'll learn to not have doubt and even approve of Cheetara's choice and happy for Tygra.

And the three ''older'' cats will each be the keeper of one of the three, when Lion-O isn't useing them that is.
* Tygra will hold the gem of ''Reality Power'', that will allow him to use mental and psionic powers to ''create illusions''. Cheetara will hold on to the gem of ''Mind Power'', wich will allow her to warp to any location (basically just a SuperSpeed upgrade). And Panthro will hold the gem of ''Matter Power'', which will give him the ability and become invincible!

* Lion-O saw it was supposed to be in the hut, but nothing was there. The next episode is supposed to be about the Cats finding a magic school in the forest, and after that is a two parter called "Into the Astral Plane." They will have to learn how to enter the astral plane in order to retrieve it.

[[WMG:Grune is alive, but exists outside of Third Earth]]
As Grune seems like too important a character to be killed off after only one season, I think it's likely he's not dead, but rather, trapped outside of Third Earth, or the Material Realm, or whatever you want to call it. As such, he will eventually learn to project himself onto Third Earth, but won't be able to interact with it fully, meaning, essentially, he'll be an incorporeal shadow. This way they pay homage to another aspect of the original 80s Grune-that he was a ghost-while performing another Jaga-like MetaTwist, namely, that Grune isn't actually dead and also leaves the door open for him to escape his imprisonment at a later date. Alternatively, Mumm-Ra could free Grune whenever he wants, but knows (or will find out from Sslithe) that Grune was planning on betraying him, and will decide to leave Grune where he is as a form of punishment for his attempted treachery.
** Here's a crazy thought: Grune will somehow gain a connection to Panthro. Much like Hammerhand becoming a clone of Panthro, Grune will either return to Third Earth as a sort of Doppleganger, or pehaps use Panthro's lost arms to take on his appearance to screw with the Thundercats by sowing distrust among them.

[[WMG: Due to both shows achieving a PeripheryDemographic, there will be a crossover between Thundercats and ''MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'']]

Essentially making it the SpearCounterpart to ''MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic''.

* Jossed.

[[WMG: Mumm-Ra gained his knowledge of technology from [[{{Transformers}} Unicron.]]]]
* Does his OneWingedAngel form resemble Unicron's design from the original animated movie to anyone else? More than just coincidence. He at one point met up with the Chaos Bringer and was altered by the experience, but gained a unique knowledge of technology at the same time. Seeing what happened with the Transformers, he then decided to keep the technology inanimate, while using organic life as his slave army.

[[WMG: Mumm-Ra is a [[Warhammer40K Daemon Prince]].]]
His Decayed Form definitely has some Nurgle qualities to it, and his "combat form" just ''SCREAMS'' "Khorne" (though it doesn't scream "Blood for the Blood God!"). And the Ancient Spirits of Evil, like in the original series, appear to be represented by ''four'' statues...

[[WMG: The other Thundercats (but not the Thunderkittens) are figments of Lion-O's imagination.]]
They have no consistent personalities. They talk to Lion-O, or not at all. Any complaint they may express about their leader will be quickly forgotten, and they quickly grow to tow the party line. They don't understand technology, except when they do. They appear to have no goal separate from his. Bad writing, or a sign that not everything is right with Lion-O's head?
* A friendly reminder that we have a YMMV tab for tropes dealing with criticism, and a headscratchers tab for personally articulating plot and characterization issues, and a fridge for FridgeLogic.
* There are so many things wrong with this theory I don't know where to begin, for starters Cheetara speaks to the Thunderkittens in "Journey to the Tower of Omens" and in the very next episode she's seen physically interacting with them so she must be real. Since she is then her interaction and dialogue with Tygra and Panthro means they are also real and not simply a part of Lion-O's psyche. Regardless of whether or not they agree with all of Lion-O's decisions (and they often don't, especially Tygra, and Panthro) he is still the rightful king and must either abide by his wishes, or strike out on their own, and look at Panthro's big-ass list of accomplishments for how well ''that'' works out (He found a tank, Yay). For the most part Lion-O considers their advice and then makes a command decision, for better or for worse. The ones who are shown with an understanding of technology are basically Panthro, who is and always was TheSmartGuy of the franchise, Lion-O, who has spent his life studying and tinkering with various mechanical devices, and Tygra, who has come to understand technology better since acquiring his pistol (and is shown cleaning and fixing it). They have the same goal because they are all basically the displaced nobles of a fallen empire and seek to restore their kingdom and liberate their people, but that's really hard to do when there are only ''six'' of you (seven if you count Snarf) and two of those are untrained children. They are seeking not only powerful weapons they can use to defeat their enemy, but also build an army. These are common goals for anyone in their situation.

* [[spoiler: Has been Confirmed ]], as of "Legacy."

[[WMG: The Book of Omens is a [[Warhammer40K Chaos Artifact]] ]]
* It's constructed of a mixture of magic and technology, the last guy who used it was completely freaking evil, and LOOK AT THE FREAKING COVER. It's an eight-pointed star!

* And the three ''older'' cats will each be the keeper of one of the three, when Lion-O isn't useing them that is.

[[WMG: One of the other moons of the gas giant is [[Film/{{Avatar}} Pandora.]]]]
* Sorry, couldn't resist. Just having some fun here.

[[WMG: The series takes place in the [[Series/DoctorWho Doctor Who universe]].]]
The name "Third Earth" has to be taken literally. In the Doctor Who universe, the humans move to a planet called New Earth after the sun of our Earth grows into a Red Giant, swallowing Earth in the process. At this time, human mutants with cat-like features already exist. When New Earth itself will become uninhabitable, the next planet will be Third Earth, and the cat people will become the dominant species.

[[WMG: The Thundercats are descended from Frankenstein of [[RedDwarf Red Dwarf]].]]
The cat-people that evolved from Lister's cat - the group that left the 'Dwarf in search of paradise did not crash and die, but instead were picked up along the way by Mumm-Ra in a ship, genetically tweaked to bring out more of their feline traits and made to serve him.

[[WMG: Grune is WilyKit and WilyKat's father.]]

* [[spoiler: "''Legacy''" seems to indicate that this will likely happen.]]

And the Drifter will deliver it home, introducing us to Hachiman

Much like AvatarTheLastAirbender it could even be a season worth of episodes to rescue the endentured Thunderians and for the two slave lizardmen from the pilot to join the group.

** [[spoiler:{{Jossed}} (at least for now} as of "Between Brothers", though he was tempted.]]

** [[spoiler: Confirmed as of "Into the Astral Plain".]]

** Under that logic, we'd also get shoutouts to Garfield, Heithclif, The Pink Panther, and why-the-hell-not, HelloKitty.

As soon as Lion-O and Tygra cease their teenaged feuding long enough for Panthro to get a word in edgewise, they'll be hightailing it back to the Ro-Bear Berbils so Ro-Bear Bill and company can give his dear friend some snuggly wuggly righteously badass {{Swiss Army Appendage}}s. (Coin toss as to which Cat has to put up with his backseat driving on the way.)

[[WMG: Tygra's birth parents were traitors and/or enemies of Thundera.]]
Kind of rips off ''{{Film/Thor}}'' but maybe Tygrus being against Leo's rebellion foreshadows that the tigers would later become traitors and break away from Thundera. Tygra's real father might have been killed in battle or by Claudus, who took in his enemy's son to make peace with the tigers or out of guilt or as a pawn to be used later before he started thinking of Tygra as his own son. This may mean there are scattered tigers out there, and they're not very big fans of the ThunderCats.
* There was a ''very'' brief mention in the original series of Tygra belonging to some kind of ''Tiger Clan''. Maybe we'll get a chance to see this clan later on.

** Semi-confirmed in "Journey to the Tower of Omens", this new series is still young.

[[WMG: The Animals will eventually betray Mumm-Ra and Grune and side with Lion-O.]]
They will eventually realize that serving under Mumm-Ra isn't all that it's cracked up to be, as he treats them even worse than the Cats ever did. Since Lion-O is sympathetic to their troubles, they will decide to throw their lot in with him and rebel against Mumm-Ra.
* Possible, though it's fair to say that Slithe, Monkian, Jackal Man, and Vulture Man may remain loyal, as they (well, Slithe so far) seem to be doing it ForTheEvulz.

[[WMG: One or both of the Lizards that Lion-O had pardoned will join the Thundercats' side]]
It was shown in the premiere that the Lizards in the pillory stocks were taken aback by Lion-O's sympathy...enough so that the more antagonistic of the two slipped the key to Tygra and Lion-O's cell after Thundera fell.
* If this does happen it won't be for awhile, considering joining Lion-O now is basically committing suicide considering what he's up against.

[[WMG: Mumm-Ra gained his knowledge of technology from [[{{Transformers}} Unicron.]]]]
* Does his OneWingedAngel form resemble Unicron's design from the original animated movie to anyone else? More than just coincidence. He at one point met up with the Chaos Bringer and was altered by the experience, but gained a unique knowledge of technology at the same time. Seeing what happened with the Transformers, he then decided to keep the technology inanimate, while using organic life as his slave army.

[[WMG: Everyone the Thundercats helps will join forces later.]]
Some of the lizards, the sea crew, the Petalars...everyone they've aided will come together in the end to help them overthrow Mumm-Ra.
* [[spoiler: "''Legacy''" seems to indicate that this will likely happen.]]

[[WMG: The Berbils are failed creations of the Cybermen.]]

Okay, a bit wild but everyone's been wondering how those guys came about so I'm sticking to one theory somebody proposed previously in another Thundercats forum. The Berbils are probably failed creations of the Cybermen. Before Mondas was destroyed, they upgraded a few bears as basically "the help." They're there to repair the Cybermen themselves and any of their technology even help out with the Cyber-Conversions, to an extreme; they're slaves. But later on, they grasped the concept of free will and very much escaped to Third Earth for shelter.

[[WMG: Mumm-Ra is a [[Warhammer40K Daemon Prince]].]]

His Decayed Form definitely has some Nurgle qualities to it, and his "combat form" just ''SCREAMS'' "Khorne" (though it doesn't scream "Blood for the Blood God!"). And the Ancient Spirits of Evil, like in the original series, appear to be represented by ''four'' statues...

[[WMG: Grune is WilyKit and WilyKat's father.]]
I asked the Crew of Omens what the names of their parents were, and they did not answer, so it's likely they may be someone important. I have no idea who their mother might be, considering the lack of many female characters. Grune might have spent a night with his lover before he left with Panthro to find the Book of Omens. The Thunder Kittens are just old enough to have been born right after Grune left, considering he was gone for around 8 years, judging by how old Lion-O and Tygra looked in the flashbacks.

[[WMG: Tygra's betrayal as mentioned in 'Into the Astral Plain' won't be a physical betrayal.]]
Since StatusQuoIsGod, and the betrayal is mentioned only in relation to Lion-O, it's probable that Tygra's betrayal will not necessitate a FaceHeelTurn and most likely hurts Lion-O more on an emotional than a physical level. Given the flashbacks in 'Into the Astral Plain', the most likely possibility at this point is that Tygra and Cheetarah will enter into a RelationshipUpgrade.
* Except that wouldn't really be a betrayal. Both brothers acknowledge the LoveTriangle and are simply competing like they have all their lives.
** [[spoiler: Not really an issue at this point since as of the Season One finale, this has been Confirmed.]]

** Except that wouldn't really be a betrayal. Both brothers acknowledge the LoveTriangle and are simply competing like they have all their lives.

[[WMG: There will be an ep about Tygra or Lion-o OutdoorBathPeeking on Cheetara]]

[[WMG: The Mutants/Animals will eventually betray Mumm-Ra and Grune and side with Lion-O.]]

[[WMG: Berbils are alcohol powered]]

It explains why they cultivate high sugar fruits. Also makes them profitable as slaves since their masters don't need to have generators, just give them some Samogon and they would be just fine.

**** This troper is afraid that the closest thing we will get will be Fan Openings/AMVs on You Tube