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In ''AvengersEndgame'', 2012 Loki gets away with the Space Stone. Maybe he went to Asgard, and replaced Odin after the regular Loki was killed for real by the Dark Elves.

** The third act will look like Loki's defected to Surtur out of pragmatism, but it'll turn out to be a sneak SuicideAttack that nearly kills Loki when Thor rushes in to save him. The Magic Feather turns out to not be a MagicFeather, but actually have a use, and heals both of them, and they go after Surtur in a massive battle to top any and all previous massive battles and be a CrowningMomentOfAwesome for both brothers. Then, Loki will leave, pointing out that he's still done horrible things, but he'll come by now and again "to make things not so boring" (aka help out if they need him). It will be a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming, a {{Tearjerker}} and proof that Loki can never really be a KarmaHoudini here.

[[WMG: [[Creator/ChristopherEccleston Malekith]] is a TimeLord.]]

[[WMG: Loki ''will not'' be the villain of the sequel, but it will be about Raganrok]]

[[WMG: The fact that Loki is a frost giant will prove beneficial during Thor 2]]
Either [[spoiler: Malekith]] is hiding in an obscenely cold place, or [[spoiler: Malekith]] refuses to work with either humans or Asgardians, so Thor and Odin have to send Loki to talk to Malekith. Loki has mixed feelings on the whole thing. On the one hand, he's being used. On the other, they do need him...
* [[spoiler:Jossed.]]

* This movie is supposed to put Loki on a redemption arc. However, considering how many people Loki got killed in the first Thor movie and ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'', it'd be pretty hard to redeem him fully without falling for ProtagonistCenteredMorality. But what if Loki does a HeroicSacrifice in this movie, and thus [[RedemptionEqualsDeath redeems]] himself? By the end movie Thor (or Odin) will then resurrect him as a kid (just like in the comics), and since the new Kid Loki isn't technically responsible for the old one's crimes, they could set him up as a proper AntiHero. Thus they can use one of the most popular interpretations of Loki from the comics, and also set up the plot for ''Thor 3'', where Thor and Loki will have to work together to defear Surtur.

** [[spoiler:Officially Jossed.]]

* In Marvel canon, I'm pretty sure that he takes over Sif's body to become Lady Loki. Sif looks pretty jealous of Jane being brought to Asgard in the trailer, so maybe Loki will either be able to manipulate her into letting him take over her body, or will take it by force at her lowest emotional moment.

** [[spoiler:Jossed.]]

* [[spoiler: Tyr will.]] After all, that's primarily what [[spoiler: Tyr]] is known for.
** [[spoiler:Jossed, though "Thor won't lose his hand to Loki" is confirmed.]]

* And he will play fetch with Happy Fun Marshmallow and be happy forever.

* To tie in what'll be happening in the second Avengers movie. Malekith, much like Loki, would be provided strength from an anonymous benefactor. And that would be Thanos.
** In that case, [[MouthOfSauron the Other]] will probably show, either part way through the movie to remind Malekith of their deal (like he did with Loki in ''Avengers''), or will appear in TheStinger to retrieve something of his to give to Thanos.
** Wouldn't that be a bit repetitive? If Malekith has to be a pawn, let him the pawn of some other cosmic horror (it's not as if Marvel was lacking them), and then both ones would be rivals, or an evil band.
** [[spoiler:Jossed.]]

* It just seems like his speech was much less formal and stylized in this movie than other Asgardians and he did spent a whole movie hanging around the snarky archer.
** Or it may be that the writers of Thor 2 were less concerned with linguistics than they were with dropping in one-liners. A friend of this troper posits that the word choices in Thor 1 (excuse the terminology, but it's shorthand) were more rooted in Old Norse, whereas Thor 2 offers more Latin-sourced verbiage. (She admits she can't substantiate that right now, but it's an interesting notion; the GenreShift from ScienceFantasy to SpaceOpera might explain it, if true.)
** Or he learned it from hanging around/spying on earth people in general.
*** Probably not, then he would've used it in The Avengers. As Eric said: "It's not fun having a mad god in your brain." Maybe the sceptre is a back-and-forth telepathic connection, with control by the wielder and unintentional influence from the controlled. That might also explain the snarky Captain America impression, if that's how Hawkeye thinks of Steve.

* All evidence so far shows that Loki's illusions are intangible: how could Thor [[spoiler:hold his body as he "died" if he was faking that massive wound]]? [[spoiler:If he died, and somehow Thanos showed up and offered him the chance to come back if he would help Thanos retrieve the Infinity Gems, or maybe him and Thanos had it planned all along from the very beginning.]] Or maybe Loki learnt something about [[spoiler:coming back from the dead]] on his journey into mystery in-between ''Film/{{Thor}}'' and ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}''.
** Another option, and this one is going on some assumptions about the universe, is that [[spoiler:Loki died and Hel brought him back.]] Assuming that Loki's children exist in this universe (and Sleipnir appeared back in ''Thor''), it is a possibility that she could have come into play. [[spoiler:It just seems to make a bit more sense than Thanos bringing Loki back.]] When Loki tells Kurse, "See you in Hel, monster!", he was referring Norse underworld, and not the Christian hell. It seems like the writers included that line on purpose as a possible clue to how [[spoiler:Loki cheated death.]]
** Or he [[spoiler: didn't die but did make the wound look worse than it was and/or faked his death quickly and then healed himself as soon as Thor left.]]

* [[spoiler:The Einherjar guard who reports to Odin]] kinda sounds like him. The TV reporter resembles him. Loki's been pulling more strings than we thought.

Loki was hurt by both Odin and Thor saying that they wouldn't mind killing him. So he faked his death in front of Thor, wanting to see his true reaction. Satisfied with that, he did the same with Odin. Only then he realized how easy it would be for him to seize the opportunity and take the throne. Loki isn't that much of a ManipulativeBastard or TheChessmaster, he's more a OpportunisticBastard.

Loki was hurt by both Odin and Thor saying that they wouldn't mind killing him. So he faked his death in front of Thor, wanting to see his true reaction. Satisfied with that, he did the same with Odin. Only then he realized how easy it would be for him to seize the opportunity and take the throne. Loki isn't that much of a ManipulativeBastard, he's more a OpportunisticBastard.

[[WMG: Loki didn't plan to fake his death]]

[[WMG: Loki [[spoiler:died by Kurse's hand and was brought back to life]].]]

* Think about it, when Loki first appears he is a [[TragicVillain tragic figure]], and the main reason for his SanitySlippage is the loss of his Asgardian identity. In ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}},'' however, much of this characterisation has been done away with. Where previously he explicitly states that he never wanted the throne he is now trying to conquer worlds and his characterisation has shifted from AffablyEvil to FauxAffablyEvil monster. This could be explained as CharacterDevelopment, but his abrupt snapback to something like his original characterisation in ''Thor: The Dark World'' would suggest otherwise. He appears to act as those around him expect him to act - not the way they want him to act, exactly, but he acts as those he works for and with expect him to. Thanos expects a conqueror, so Loki becomes one. Thor expects his annoying little brother, so that is what Loki becomes despite their interactions in the first ''Film/{{Thor}}'' movie having been markedly different.
** The change in the Avengers is because Loki was being mind-controlled by Thanos.
*** It's probably MoreThanMindControl.

[[WMG: Odin is now [[spoiler: imprisoned in Loki's cell]].]]
It'd appeal to Loki's sense of irony to [[spoiler: knock his father out and toss him into the same cell he'd been confined in himself, with an illusion laid over him to look like Loki. Odin can try to convince the guards that he's the All-Father as much as he likes: they'll ''never'' believe he's not just Loki attempting to trick them.

* [[MadeOfWin You, fellow troper, get a shiny new internet for that. :)]]

[[WMG: The Jotunheim's beast will end up in [[Disney/{{Frozen}} Arendelle]]]]
* And he will play fetch with Happy Fun Marshmallow and be happy forever.

[[WMG: [[spoiler:Loki is still working for Thanos.]]]]
[[spoiler: It was Thanos' plan to make Loki the king of Asgard. He took Loki off the Dark World, brought him back to Asgard, took care of Odin (Either killed him or imprisoned him somewhere.), and Loki took Odin's throne. Now he has the tesseract, and if speculation is right, the Aethir too.]]

[[WMG: Ian's last name is Turner]]
* Ian Turner. The intern's intern.
[[WMG: Malekith is another pawn/servant of Thanos]]
* To tie in what'll be happening in the second Avengers movie. Malekith, much like Loki, would be provided strength from an anonymous benefactor. And that would be Thanos.
** In that case, [[MouthOfSauron the Other]] will probably show, either part way through the movie to remind Malekith of their deal (like he did with Loki in ''Avengers''), or will appear in TheStinger to retrieve something of his to give to Thanos.
** Wouldn't that be a bit repetitive? If Malekith has to be a pawn, let him the pawn of some other cosmic horror (it's not as if Marvel was lacking them), and then both ones would be rivals, or an evil band.
** [[spoiler:Jossed.]]

[[WMG: Loki learned Ta-DA! and other less [[YeOldeButcheredeEnglishe Asgardian forms of speech]] from Hawkeye.]]
* It just seems like his speech was much less formal and stylized in this movie than other Asgardians and he did spent a whole movie hanging around the snarky archer.
** Or it may be that the writers of Thor 2 were less concerned with linguistics than they were with dropping in one-liners. A friend of this troper posits that the word choices in Thor 1 (excuse the terminology, but it's shorthand) were more rooted in Old Norse, whereas Thor 2 offers more Latin-sourced verbiage. (She admits she can't substantiate that right now, but it's an interesting notion; the GenreShift from ScienceFantasy to SpaceOpera might explain it, if true.)
** Or he learned it from hanging around/spying on earth people in general.
*** Probably not, then he would've used it in The Avengers. As Eric said: "It's not fun having a mad god in your brain." Maybe the sceptre is a back-and-forth telepathic connection, with control by the wielder and unintentional influence from the controlled. That might also explain the snarky Captain America impression, if that's how Hawkeye thinks of Steve.

** [[spoiler:Jossed. He's not in the stinger. Of course, that doesn't mean he won't be in Thor 3...]]

[[WMG: Loki was imprisoned on Asgard with no resistance]]
He figured if anyone could protect him from [[spoiler: Thanos's [[YouHaveFailedMe wrath]]]], it's Odin.
* [[spoiler: This could be the reason he faked his death; to get away from Thanos.]]

[[WMG: ComicBook/BetaRayBill will be in the sequel to ''this'' film (Thor 3 or whatever).]]
And hopefully, in the stinger for this one.
* [[spoiler:Jossed for the stinger.]]

It will spend a little time on Earth, but a majority of the film will be spent on Asgard, with Jane, Darcy and Dr. Selvig as FishoutofWater and Thor attempting to help his friends navigate this strange new world, as they did for him.

[[WMG: Loki will become [[Film/TheRoom Tommy Wiseau after this movie]].]]
Look at that hairstyle...

[[WMG: [[Creator/ChristopherEccleston Malekith]] is a TimeLord.]]
Had to be said.
* [[MadeOfWin You, fellow troper, get a shiny new internet for that. :)]]
* In a manner of speaking...he could be. After all, he was asleep for eons in his ship, not aging, and woke up in a completely different time to his own. Plus, the Earth parts of the movie take place around [[AliensInCardiff England]] rather than the usual United States, and the nexus of the Convergence occurs in Greenwich: the centre of time on Earth temporarily also becomes the centre of Relative Dimensions In Space.

** [[spoiler:He does it again to pull a long con on Malekith, and it ''is'' awesome.]]

[[WMG: Surtur will not only appear, but he will be a CompositeCharacter.]]
Namely one of himself and Dormammu, setting him up as the BigBad of the probably-to-be-released-in-2016 Comicbook/DoctorStrange film.
* [[spoiler:Jossed.]]

* Well, he's returning for Thor: Ragnarok, all but confirming he survived this film.

** Odin is returning for the sequel dressed as a hobo. This theory is at least highly unlikely.

Loki will eventually slip up and his illusion as [[spoiler: Odin]] will fade.This will prompt him to attempt to flee Asgard, possibly causing a manhunt to find him in the next Thor movie.

** Odin appears to be alive, if...not quite well in Ragnarok.

It'd appeal to Loki's sense of irony to [[spoiler: knock his father out and toss him into the same cell he'd been confined in himself, with an illusion laid over him to look like Loki. Odin can try to convince the guards that he's the All-Father as much as he likes: they'll ''never'' believe he's not just Loki attempting to trick them.]]
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* As stated above, this is legally bared as long as the FF rights are gone. Galactus is a no go (and this is the third time he's been mentioned on this page; what part of "There is no way TwentiethCenturyFox will be giving up the film rights to the Fantastic Four while the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse is making so much money" do people not understand?).

[[WMG:Loki suffers from comparable mental issues to [[VorkosiganSaga Sergeant Bothari]].]]

[[WMG: With the current political situation in Asgard, the MarvelCinematicUniverse's true rise of the supervillains will begin.]]

* As stated above, this is legally bared as long as the FF rights are gone. Galactus is a no go (and this is the third time he's been mentioned on this page; what part of "There is no way TwentiethCenturyFox will be giving up the film rights to the Fantastic Four while the MarvelCinematicUniverse is making so much money" do people not understand?).

One of the students in the library towards the end of the film recognizes Thor, and other works in the MarvelCinematicUniverse make it clear that the heroes in the Avengers are well known and popular. Thor is a god, even if he doesn't want to be worshiped, there are still works on how people worshiped the Asgardians back in the past, and there are, currently, neo-pagan movements in the 21st century such as Asatru. Thor's actions in New York and London will spark a craze in people converting to these religions (and maybe individual neo-pagan leaders will use Thor's popularity and piggyback off that).

* This movie is supposed to put Loki on a redemption arc. However, considering how many people Loki got killed in the first Thor movie and ''Film/TheAvengers'', it'd be pretty hard to redeem him fully without falling for ProtagonistCenteredMorality. But what if Loki does a HeroicSacrifice in this movie, and thus [[RedemptionEqualsDeath redeems]] himself? By the end movie Thor (or Odin) will then resurrect him as a kid (just like in the comics), and since the new Kid Loki isn't technically responsible for the old one's crimes, they could set him up as a proper AntiHero. Thus they can use one of the most popular interpretations of Loki from the comics, and also set up the plot for ''Thor 3'', where Thor and Loki will have to work together to defear Surtur.

* All evidence so far shows that Loki's illusions are intangible: how could Thor [[spoiler:hold his body as he "died" if he was faking that massive wound]]? [[spoiler:If he died, and somehow Thanos showed up and offered him the chance to come back if he would help Thanos retrieve the Infinity Gems, or maybe him and Thanos had it planned all along from the very beginning.]] Or maybe Loki learnt something about [[spoiler:coming back from the dead]] on his journey into mystery in-between ''Film/{{Thor}}'' and ''Film/TheAvengers''.

Since [[spoiler:Loki]] now controls Asgard, he is in a position to either search for the remaining Infinity Stones for [[spoiler:Thanos]] and/or prepare to fight against him. To that end, Loki would need to make sure Thor and the Avengers will not move against him until he is ready to crush them, or call upon them for help when he deems them useful. To that end, a sure way of doing that would be to create various powerful supervillains that would occupy his brother, Film/TheAvengers and ComicBook/{{Shield}}. For instance, [[spoiler:Loki]] could create Thor's more earthbound villains in his RoguesGallery like The Absorbing Man, Mr. Hyde and The Wrecker. In addition, [[spoiler:Loki]] could seek out The ComicBook/RedSkull and send him back to Earth with seed money to start his schemes of world domination to keep ComicBook/CaptainAmerica and ComicBook/{{SHIELD}} busy. Additionally, [[spoiler:Loki]] could spring The Leader to push him to hound the Hulk for any scheme he would have in mind.

* Think about it, when Loki first appears he is a [[TragicVillain tragic figure]], and the main reason for his SanitySlippage is the loss of his Asgardian identity. In ''Film/TheAvengers,'' however, much of this characterisation has been done away with. Where previously he explicitly states that he never wanted the throne he is now trying to conquer worlds and his characterisation has shifted from AffablyEvil to FauxAffablyEvil monster. This could be explained as CharacterDevelopment, but his abrupt snapback to something like his original characterisation in ''Thor: The Dark World'' would suggest otherwise. He appears to act as those around him expect him to act - not the way they want him to act, exactly, but he acts as those he works for and with expect him to. Thanos expects a conqueror, so Loki becomes one. Thor expects his annoying little brother, so that is what Loki becomes despite their interactions in the first ''Film/{{Thor}}'' movie having been markedly different.

There was also a race of HumanoidAliens. They were mostly killed when the universe started, but there is one LastOfHisKind to survive. [[{{Galactus}} Just one.]]

[[WMG: BetaRayBill will be in the film]]

[[WMG: BetaRayBill will be in the sequel to ''this'' film (Thor 3 or whatever).]]

The trailers talk about things that have survived from before the universe. Plus, he's such an epic character and needs redemption from [[Film/FantasticFour a certain other film]]. He'd make a great crossover villain.

[[WMG: By the end of the movie, Loki will become the Kid Loki of ''JourneyIntoMystery''.]]

* It was revealed at the end of JourneyIntoMystery that [[spoiler: the entire chain of events from Loki's HeroicSacrifice to save Asgard through his reincarnation and gradual winning of the trust of those around him was a plan to clear his name and free him up for further shenanigans of as-yet undetermined morality.]] Faking his own RedemptionEqualsDeath ? Absolutely possible.

It'd appeal to Loki's sense of irony to [[spoiler: knock his father out and toss him into the same cell he'd been confined in himself, with an illusion laid over him to look like Loki. Odin can argue with the guards about his identity all he likes: they'll ''never'' believe he's not just Loki attempting to trick them.]]