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* Yes, but cartoons didn't exist before 1910, so Toontown didn't exist either (oh, that's different if you go by the original ''Who censored Roger Rabbit'' book, but all the rest of the toon mythology as developed more recently shows that Toons are created by animators using magic pain — see the opening of ''The Animaniacs''). Now, where am I going with this date problem ? Jack O'Lantern is a far more ancient figure than 1910, so except if you argue that there have been many Jack O'Lanterns that replace each other regularly, which I don't (for me, Jack is THE Jack O'Lantern, the one that existed as long as Halloween ever existed), it's not possible.
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*** Actually, LSB's fears may have held more merit than we thought. In [[TheNightmareBeforeChristmasOogiesRevenge the game]], Jack really ''did'' get physically violent with them. Granted, they deserved it.
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[[WMG: The angel statue that catches Jack is a LivingStatue.]]
Anyone else think it's a little too much of a coincidence that Jack just happened to land in the arms of an angel, right next to a portal back to Halloween Town? Maybe the angel in question was actually alive, and when she saw Jack falling she flew up and snatched him out of the air. Then she brought him safely back down to Earth, right where he needed to be.
* How did she know about Halloween Town? Well, considering what it's like, she might actually live there.
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* Adding to this, the reason she loves Jack is because he was the first person who wasn't put off by the fact that she was different.
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[[WMG: The "Who" when you call "Who's there?" is [[OminousOwl a monster owl]].]]
Obvious pun is obvious.
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* As for his faceless appearance, maybe somebody saw Jack once when his head accidentally got knocked backwards, and thanks to the nature of urban legend, he now [[NeverLiveItDown has a constant reminder of]] [[NoodleIncident that embarrassing incident]], much to his annoyance.
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* Seems plausible, considering Jack has a sort of AntiHero thing going on. Hell, [[LackadaisyCats Rocky]] certainly approves of pinstripes. "Pinstripes! There's hope yet!"
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* Seems plausible, considering Jack has a sort of AntiHero thing going on. Hell, [[LackadaisyCats [[Webcomic/{{Lackadaisy}} Rocky]] certainly approves of pinstripes. "Pinstripes! There's hope yet!"
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*** Yeah, but we never see them naked (obviously, since it's both a PG and Disney film), so how do we know they're lacking? As for Sally, she could have always get surgery for the required parts. [[{{Futurama}} Or perhaps they have kids by any direct skin-to-skin (er, skin-to-bony-hands) contact while they're experiencing deep feelings of love]]. Wait a minute . . . [[GRatedSex that means that at the end of the movie Jack and Sally did the nasty]]''' [[BigOMG OHMYGOD.]]'''
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*** Yeah, but we never see them naked (obviously, since it's both a PG and Disney film), so how do we know they're lacking? As for Sally, she could have always get surgery for the required parts. [[{{Futurama}} [[{{WesternAnimation/Futurama}} Or perhaps they have kids by any direct skin-to-skin (er, skin-to-bony-hands) contact while they're experiencing deep feelings of love]]. Wait a minute . . . [[GRatedSex that means that at the end of the movie Jack and Sally did the nasty]]''' [[BigOMG OHMYGOD.]]'''
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[[WMG: ''The Nightmare Before Christmas'' is in the same universe as ''Film/MonstersInc.'']]
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[[WMG: ''The Nightmare Before Christmas'' is in the same universe as ''Film/MonstersInc.''WesternAnimation/MonstersInc.'']]
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[[WMG: Alternatively.]]
Santa's life was in danger, because teleportation only works if your not scared. I dont think personally I would be #TOTALLYBRAVE if I was being tortured by a fat glowing sack of bugs. And why is it that way? well, Christmas is about spreading joy and for some people, fear doesn't give them joy. Santa might be one of those people.
Santa's life was in danger, because teleportation only works if your not scared. I dont think personally I would be #TOTALLYBRAVE if I was being tortured by a fat glowing sack of bugs. And why is it that way? well, Christmas is about spreading joy and for some people, fear doesn't give them joy. Santa might be one of those people.
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[[WMG: Jack Skellington and oogie boogie are rival gangsters.]]
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[[WMG: Jack Skellington and oogie boogie Oogie Boogie are rival gangsters.]]
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[[WMG: Jack and Sally adopted Lock, Shock, and Barrel.]]
The trio lost the only thing they could consider a father, and they're known for their trouble-making ways. The only other one they fear/respect is Jack, and it would make sense to adopt them/watch over them to both keep them under control and to give them stability. It's up in the air about whether Jack and Sally ''can'' have kids (as well as the soundtrack epilogue. It can go either way with them being Jack and Sally's kids, and it can also go either way with the "skeleton children" description being all the kids, or just the majority of them).
The back cover of the original VHS and the special edition DVD also show Jack and Sally dancing, with Lock, Shock and Barrel celebrating around them. It could mean nothing, and the threesome are merely celebrating, but also consider that the only time Jack and Sally are shown romantically is at the end. And all three of them are looking up at Jack and Sally, possibly because they became a family and all are better off now than they were in their old lives.
It does make even more sense when you think about Jack and Sally's personalities. Jack is stern, but fair, and Sally is compassionate and patient. They're ''exactly'' the kind of example and guidance the threesome needs to better adjust, even if they never quite unlearn their trouble-making ways.
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*Close. Lock is six, Shock is seven, and Barrel is five.
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** As a sidenote, this Troper's mother is the manager of the store. Come 2014, they were getting Christmas stuff in the middle of August.
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[[WMG: Jack is related to [[FiveNightsAtFreddys2 The Marionette]].]]
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[[WMG: Jack is related to [[FiveNightsAtFreddys2 [[VideoGame/FiveNightsAtFreddys2 The Marionette]].]]
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Similar to a WMG about [[WhoFramedRogerRabbit Jessica Rabbit]] being a freak by toon standards because she's not very funny, Sally is a freak in Halloween Town because while she looks human and pretty by our standards, everyone else is hideous and freakish-looking. This could be why she's so shy: she's not traditionally "scary" and has a hard time fitting in because of it.
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Similar to a WMG about [[WhoFramedRogerRabbit [[Film/WhoFramedRogerRabbit Jessica Rabbit]] being a freak by toon standards because she's not very funny, Sally is a freak in Halloween Town because while she looks human and pretty by our standards, everyone else is hideous and freakish-looking. This could be why she's so shy: she's not traditionally "scary" and has a hard time fitting in because of it.
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[[WMG: Jack and Sally are Skelita calaveras parents or god parents]]
Now if we have to have reality with the people who keep complaining pregnancy isn't possible despite the main villain is a sack of bugs so really is pregnancy that far a stretch, Anyway Skelita is Adopted with a couple other skeleton and ragdoll children for the godparents angle she is the Daughter of La Muerte and Xibalba and since Day of the Dead is the day after Halloween they felt Jack and Sally would be perfect since they know the two would make sure to let Skelita know about her heritage.
* additionally for the adoption angle they adopted Hoodude after Franky stein abandon him since he is a living rag doll.
Now if we have to have reality with the people who keep complaining pregnancy isn't possible despite the main villain is a sack of bugs so really is pregnancy that far a stretch, Anyway Skelita is Adopted with a couple other skeleton and ragdoll children for the godparents angle she is the Daughter of La Muerte and Xibalba and since Day of the Dead is the day after Halloween they felt Jack and Sally would be perfect since they know the two would make sure to let Skelita know about her heritage.
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[[WMG: Jack and Sally are Skelita
Now if we have to have reality with the people who keep complaining pregnancy isn't possible despite the main villain is a sack of bugs so really is pregnancy that far a stretch, Anyway Skelita is
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[[WMG: Jack is related to [[FiveNightsAtFreddys2 The Marionette]].]]
Slender, black and white suits, eyeless white faces, and arguably the scariest of their respective worlds. And with the Slender Man theory listed way up above, it's one big creepy family.
[[WMG: Sally is a freak by Halloween Town standards.]]
Similar to a WMG about [[WhoFramedRogerRabbit Jessica Rabbit]] being a freak by toon standards because she's not very funny, Sally is a freak in Halloween Town because while she looks human and pretty by our standards, everyone else is hideous and freakish-looking. This could be why she's so shy: she's not traditionally "scary" and has a hard time fitting in because of it.
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** Or perhaps he's the fear of public speaking. It would fit with his NervousWreck status and since it's the ''other'' most common fear, it makes sense that he would be co-leader with Jack.
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[[WMG: The Holiday Trees are located in the [[Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia Wood Between the Worlds]].]]
Self-explanatory - it stands to reason that the appearance of the woods would change to match the cartoony aesthetic of the worlds they linked, hence why the entrances are doors in the trees rather than pools next to them.
Self-explanatory - it stands to reason that the appearance of the woods would change to match the cartoony aesthetic of the worlds they linked, hence why the entrances are doors in the trees rather than pools next to them.
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* Three words: HAUNTED. MANSION. HOLIDAY.
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[[WMG: Jack and Sally are Skelita calaveras parents or god parents]]
Now if we have to have reality with the people who keep complaining pregnancy isn't possible despite the main villain is a sack of bugs so really is pregnancy that far a stretch, Anyway Skelita is Adopted with a couple other skeleton and ragdoll children for the godparents angle she is the Daughter of La Muerte and Xibalba and since Day of the Dead is the day after Halloween they felt Jack and Sally would be perfect since they know the two would make sure to let Skelita know about her heritage.
*additionally for the adoption angle they adopted Hoodude after Franky stein abandon him since he is a living rag doll.
Now if we have to have reality with the people who keep complaining pregnancy isn't possible despite the main villain is a sack of bugs so really is pregnancy that far a stretch, Anyway Skelita is Adopted with a couple other skeleton and ragdoll children for the godparents angle she is the Daughter of La Muerte and Xibalba and since Day of the Dead is the day after Halloween they felt Jack and Sally would be perfect since they know the two would make sure to let Skelita know about her heritage.
*additionally for the adoption angle they adopted Hoodude after Franky stein abandon him since he is a living rag doll.
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[[WMG: Jack is a bone elemental like [[Franchise/MonsterHigh C.A. Cupid]].]]
How else can he eat and feel pain? He also doesn't have the anatomy of a proper human skeleton.
How else can he eat and feel pain? He also doesn't have the anatomy of a proper human skeleton.
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**Kids during the French Revolution would have toy guillotines that could be used to behead live mice.
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* It sounded like it could be both, but the DVD subtitles say "friends". And that line isn't in the original draft of the script, so who can say?
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say? Besides, Jack is the type who probably considers anyone he meets a friend.
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** I just assumed that was his quite rightful shock at Dr. Fink getting hitched. [[LookalikeLovers To a woman who looks exactly like him.]]
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* It sounded like it could be both, but the DVD subtitles say "friends". And that line isn't in the original draft of the script, so who can say?
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I was wondering why three little children work for the very thing that frightens children. Then, when I thought about it, I realized that there are many versions of the Boogieman story where children will be eaten or spirited away by the Boogieman as punishment for being naughty. It would be easy enough to conclude that if (since it is never clarified) they ever lived, then they either died young and unrepentant, or they were "spirited away". Either way, they were doomed to work for Oogie because of their antics in life, and with him being the way he is (sadistic and creepy and having three henchmen at his beck and call), it would explain why they never really learned their lesson: Oogie doesn't seem to care what they do so long as they bring him things (other than themselves) to eat. It would also explain why they showed no remorse for Oogie's death, and were even HAPPY to bring the Mayor to Jack: Jack essentially freed them from their punishment.
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I was wondering why three little children work for the very thing that frightens children. Then, when I thought about it, I realized that there are many versions of the Boogieman story where children will be eaten or spirited away by the Boogieman as punishment for being naughty. It would be easy enough to conclude that if (since it is never clarified) they ever lived, then they either died young and unrepentant, or they were "spirited away". away".
Either way, they were doomed to work for Oogie because of their antics in life, and with him being the way he is (sadistic and creepy and having three henchmen at his beck and call), it would explain why they never really learned their lesson: Oogie doesn't seem to care what they do so long as they bring him things (other than themselves) to eat. It would also explain why they showed no remorse for Oogie's death, and were even HAPPY to bring the Mayor to Jack: Jack essentially freed them from theirpunishment.
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Same troper, editing to add: and why does Oogie never seem to have other children at his beck and call? We've seen the skeletons in his lair. If Lock, Shock, and Barrel ever dared to stop working for him, they could easily be replaced. And it's probably easier to control three kids over, say, a dozen.
Either way, they were doomed to work for Oogie because of their antics in life, and with him being the way he is (sadistic and creepy and having three henchmen at his beck and call), it would explain why they never really learned their lesson: Oogie doesn't seem to care what they do so long as they bring him things (other than themselves) to eat. It would also explain why they showed no remorse for Oogie's death, and were even HAPPY to bring the Mayor to Jack: Jack essentially freed them from their
Same troper, editing to add: and why does Oogie never seem to have other children at his beck and call? We've seen the skeletons in his lair. If Lock, Shock, and Barrel ever dared to stop working for him, they could easily be replaced. And it's probably easier to control three kids over, say, a dozen.
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[[WMG:Sally ''isn't'' a stalker]]
Stalker is more about a person you don't even ''or'' barely know following you and trying to know personal information. It's about a person with a creepy obsession including harassment.
Sally is more a "friend with a crush" than a stalker. From what we get when Sally and Jack talk, they know each other and seems to be friends. In the beginning, when she stayed hidden during "Jack's Lament" it was more out of surprise at seeing that Jack felt that way than being "stalker-ish".
** It seems that nowadays no character can be in love in silence that everyone assumes they're stalking...
Stalker is more about a person you don't even ''or'' barely know following you and trying to know personal information. It's about a person with a creepy obsession including harassment.
Sally is more a "friend with a crush" than a stalker. From what we get when Sally and Jack talk, they know each other and seems to be friends. In the beginning, when she stayed hidden during "Jack's Lament" it was more out of surprise at seeing that Jack felt that way than being "stalker-ish".
** It seems that nowadays no character can be in love in silence that everyone assumes they're stalking...
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Well, until Jack came to rescue her and Santa, there was time enough for him to rape her...
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This sounds crazy, but think about it. Just as Halloween ends, Christmas is thrust upon us. It's not the real Christmas though, it's a horrible, commercial version (represented by the macabre Halloweentown Christmas). Christmas is slowly creeping back and absorbing the other holidays, and losing its soul. It takes the real spirit of Christmas (Sandy Claws) to restore the balance, fix Christmas, and Jack can thus restore his own holiday to its former glory.
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[[Lock, Shock, and Barrel work for Oogie Boogie as punishment.]]
I was wondering why three little children work for the very thing that frightens children. Then, when I thought about it, I realized that there are many versions of the Boogieman story where children will be eaten or spirited away by the Boogieman as punishment for being naughty. It would be easy enough to conclude that if (since it is never clarified) they ever lived, then they either died young and unrepentant, or they were "spirited away". Either way, they were doomed to work for Oogie because of their antics in life, and with him being the way he is (sadistic and creepy and having three henchmen at his beck and call), it would explain why they never really learned their lesson: Oogie doesn't seem to care what they do so long as they bring him things (other than themselves) to eat. It would also explain why they showed no remorse for Oogie's death, and were even HAPPY to bring the Mayor to Jack: Jack essentially freed them from their punishment.
I was wondering why three little children work for the very thing that frightens children. Then, when I thought about it, I realized that there are many versions of the Boogieman story where children will be eaten or spirited away by the Boogieman as punishment for being naughty. It would be easy enough to conclude that if (since it is never clarified) they ever lived, then they either died young and unrepentant, or they were "spirited away". Either way, they were doomed to work for Oogie because of their antics in life, and with him being the way he is (sadistic and creepy and having three henchmen at his beck and call), it would explain why they never really learned their lesson: Oogie doesn't seem to care what they do so long as they bring him things (other than themselves) to eat. It would also explain why they showed no remorse for Oogie's death, and were even HAPPY to bring the Mayor to Jack: Jack essentially freed them from their punishment.
