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** [[spoiler: Let's say he's yet another accomplice; he knows Red John will kill him for failing to eliminate Hightower. Whether the real Red John is Jane himself, La Roche, Bertram, MalcomMcDowell or some AssPull new actor, he knows he's gonna die, and just like the failed assassin, he makes it happen.]]
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** [[spoiler: Let's say he's yet another accomplice; he knows Red John will kill him for failing to eliminate Hightower. Whether the real Red John is Jane himself, La Roche, Bertram, MalcomMcDowell Malcom [=McDowell=] or some AssPull new actor, he knows he's gonna die, and just like the failed assassin, he makes it happen.]]
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** [[spoiler: Let's say he's yet another accomplice; he knows Red John will kill him for failing to eliminate Hightower. Whether the real Red John is Jane himself, La Roche, Bertram, MalcomMcDowell or some AssPull new actor, he knows he's gonna die, and just like the failed assassin, he makes it happen.]]
** [[spoiler: Let's say he's yet another accomplice; he knows Red John will kill him for failing to eliminate Hightower. Whether the real Red John is Jane himself, La Roche, Bertram, MalcomMcDowell or some AssPull new actor, he knows he's gonna die, and just like the failed assassin, he makes it happen.]]
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*** [[spoiler: Unless "you win some, you lose some" was his accomplice's way of acknowledging that neither the Red John nor the Patrick Jane personality would allow him to live after this screw-up.]]
* PJ and RJ are very similar initials. All you do is add one more stroke of the pencil. As are Pat Jane (two girls' names) and Red John (a masculine pseudonym a child might think is cool).
* PJ and RJ are very similar initials. All you do is add one more stroke of the pencil. As are Pat Jane (two girls' names) and Red John (a masculine pseudonym a child might think is cool).
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Come on. We have [[spoiler: Red John]], who is clearly brilliant and a mastermind, and [[spoiler: he doesn't see a gun in Patrick's coat? With the VERY obvious way Patrick is holding his hands in his pockets? Even IF we take into account DidntSeeThatComing or SpannerInTheWorks? No. This is a lackey given crucial information so Red John can see how Patrick reacts. Even if the next season claims otherwise, this troper fully expects a retcon. Red John is too smart to be taken out like that.]]
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Come on. We have [[spoiler: Red John]], who is clearly brilliant and a mastermind, and [[spoiler: he doesn't see a gun in Patrick's coat? With the VERY obvious way Patrick is holding his hands in his pockets? Even IF we take into account DidntSeeThatComing or SpannerInTheWorks? No. This is a lackey given crucial information so Red John can see how Patrick reacts. Even if the next season claims otherwise, this troper fully expects a retcon. Red John is too smart to be taken out like that.]]]]
* [[spoiler: That is unless Red John [[MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning wanted to be killed.]]]]
* [[spoiler: That is unless Red John [[MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning wanted to be killed.]]]]
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The entire series is just Patrick Jane in a psych-ward regaling the doctor with his fantasy adventures. Which explains why his insane gambits always work, his team seems to like him even though he's a JerkAss who loves playing mind games, and every episode has 'red' or a synonym in the title (as he's the centre of his own universe, his obsession would be the centre and therefore every episode would be named after his obsession.
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The entire series is just Patrick Jane in a psych-ward regaling the doctor with his fantasy adventures. Which explains why his insane gambits always work, his team seems to like him even though he's a JerkAss who loves playing mind games, and every episode has 'red' or a synonym in the title (as he's the centre of his own universe, his obsession would be the centre and therefore every episode would be named after his obsession.obsession.
[[WMG: The person seen [[spoiler: in the season 3 finale was not Red John, but a Red John accomplice fed information by the real deal.]]]]
Come on. We have [[spoiler: Red John]], who is clearly brilliant and a mastermind, and [[spoiler: he doesn't see a gun in Patrick's coat? With the VERY obvious way Patrick is holding his hands in his pockets? Even IF we take into account DidntSeeThatComing or SpannerInTheWorks? No. This is a lackey given crucial information so Red John can see how Patrick reacts. Even if the next season claims otherwise, this troper fully expects a retcon. Red John is too smart to be taken out like that.]]
[[WMG: The person seen [[spoiler: in the season 3 finale was not Red John, but a Red John accomplice fed information by the real deal.]]]]
Come on. We have [[spoiler: Red John]], who is clearly brilliant and a mastermind, and [[spoiler: he doesn't see a gun in Patrick's coat? With the VERY obvious way Patrick is holding his hands in his pockets? Even IF we take into account DidntSeeThatComing or SpannerInTheWorks? No. This is a lackey given crucial information so Red John can see how Patrick reacts. Even if the next season claims otherwise, this troper fully expects a retcon. Red John is too smart to be taken out like that.]]
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** [spoiler: [[spoiler: False. Red John and Jane are two different people, and Red John is dead now thanks to Jane.]]
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**[[spoiler: False. Red John was just some nameless guy, who's now dead at Jane's hands.]]
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** [[Spoiler: Jossed as of the end of Season Three.]]
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No, not just {{The Wonka}}. The WONKA. Watch Gene Wilder's Wonka and Jane back to back and say that they're not the same person. Curly blond hair, fondness for waistcoats, sadistic glee in messing with people's heads, and they speak with almost the same inflection in their voices. Especially when they're really messing with people and pretending to be innocent.
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No, not just {{The Wonka}}. The WONKA. Watch Gene Wilder's Wonka and Jane back to back and say that they're not the same person. Curly blond hair, fondness for waistcoats, sadistic glee in messing with people's heads, and they speak with almost the same inflection in their voices. Especially when they're really messing with people and pretending to be innocent.innocent.
[[WMG: Patrick Jane suffered a psychotic break after his family died, and we're just watching his [[UnreliableNarrator insane delusions]].]]
The entire series is just Patrick Jane in a psych-ward regaling the doctor with his fantasy adventures. Which explains why his insane gambits always work, his team seems to like him even though he's a JerkAss who loves playing mind games, and every episode has 'red' or a synonym in the title (as he's the centre of his own universe, his obsession would be the centre and therefore every episode would be named after his obsession.
[[WMG: Patrick Jane suffered a psychotic break after his family died, and we're just watching his [[UnreliableNarrator insane delusions]].]]
The entire series is just Patrick Jane in a psych-ward regaling the doctor with his fantasy adventures. Which explains why his insane gambits always work, his team seems to like him even though he's a JerkAss who loves playing mind games, and every episode has 'red' or a synonym in the title (as he's the centre of his own universe, his obsession would be the centre and therefore every episode would be named after his obsession.
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Not much is known about Jane's past, other than he worked at a carnival with his dad. Red John and Jane could have been separated at birth, with Red John living with their mother. Jane doesn't talk about his past, and no mention of his mother is ever made. It's pointed out many times that Jane and Red John are alike, and it's possible Jane knows Red John is his brother and chooses not to share this with the team.
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Not much is known about Jane's past, other than he worked at a carnival with his dad. Red John and Jane could have been separated at birth, with Red John living with their mother. Jane doesn't talk about his past, and no mention of his mother is ever made. It's pointed out many times that Jane and Red John are alike, and it's possible Jane knows Red John is his brother and chooses not to share this with the team.team.
[[WMG: Jane is really [[WillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory Willy Wonka]].]]
No, not just {{The Wonka}}. The WONKA. Watch Gene Wilder's Wonka and Jane back to back and say that they're not the same person. Curly blond hair, fondness for waistcoats, sadistic glee in messing with people's heads, and they speak with almost the same inflection in their voices. Especially when they're really messing with people and pretending to be innocent.
[[WMG: Jane is really [[WillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory Willy Wonka]].]]
No, not just {{The Wonka}}. The WONKA. Watch Gene Wilder's Wonka and Jane back to back and say that they're not the same person. Curly blond hair, fondness for waistcoats, sadistic glee in messing with people's heads, and they speak with almost the same inflection in their voices. Especially when they're really messing with people and pretending to be innocent.
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In the aftermath of Hightower affair in "Red Queen", he mentions a poem that's written by William Blake. The scary part? William Blake wrote Tyger, Tyger--the poem that Red John recites in "Red Sky in the Morning".
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In the aftermath of Hightower affair in "Red Queen", he mentions a poem that's written by William Blake. The scary part? William Blake wrote Tyger, Tyger--the poem that Red John recites in "Red Sky in the Morning".Morning".
[[WMG: Red John is Jane's brother.]]
Not much is known about Jane's past, other than he worked at a carnival with his dad. Red John and Jane could have been separated at birth, with Red John living with their mother. Jane doesn't talk about his past, and no mention of his mother is ever made. It's pointed out many times that Jane and Red John are alike, and it's possible Jane knows Red John is his brother and chooses not to share this with the team.
[[WMG: Red John is Jane's brother.]]
Not much is known about Jane's past, other than he worked at a carnival with his dad. Red John and Jane could have been separated at birth, with Red John living with their mother. Jane doesn't talk about his past, and no mention of his mother is ever made. It's pointed out many times that Jane and Red John are alike, and it's possible Jane knows Red John is his brother and chooses not to share this with the team.
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Or Jane really is psychic but is in denial, and uses his considerable intellect to explain his own leaps of intuition to himself.
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My guess, these events are connected.
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** I second with Minelli--though his correct title is Special Agent in Charge, just below the CBI Director--he has definitely his hand in the Red John conspiracy. In "Red Queen", Hightower reveals to Jane that Minelli, her predecessor, has told her to beware of Red John's MOLES in the CBI. When did Minelli resign? When Rebecca, Bosco's secretary and Red John's mole, kills Bosco and his unit.
[[WMG: CBI Director Gale Bertram is, or may be related to, Red John.]]
In the aftermath of Hightower affair in "Red Queen", he mentions a poem that's written by William Blake. The scary part? William Blake wrote Tyger, Tyger--the poem that Red John recites in "Red Sky in the Morning".
** I second with Minelli--though his correct title is Special Agent in Charge, just below the CBI Director--he has definitely his hand in the Red John conspiracy. In "Red Queen", Hightower reveals to Jane that Minelli, her predecessor, has told her to beware of Red John's MOLES in the CBI. When did Minelli resign? When Rebecca, Bosco's secretary and Red John's mole, kills Bosco and his unit.
[[WMG: CBI Director Gale Bertram is, or may be related to, Red John.]]
In the aftermath of Hightower affair in "Red Queen", he mentions a poem that's written by William Blake. The scary part? William Blake wrote Tyger, Tyger--the poem that Red John recites in "Red Sky in the Morning".
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* The waiter is big enough to be a guard in law enforcement, and so sociopathic that Jane doesn't even get a bad vibe from him. For once, the storytellers are being honest with us.
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* The waiter is big enough to be a guard in law enforcement, and so sociopathic that Jane doesn't even get a bad vibe from him. For once, the storytellers are being honest with us.us.
[[WMG: Something significant happened relating to Red John 8 years prior to Season 2.]]
At that time:
* Red John makes the mistake of killing Carter Peake.
* Minelli takes over as head of the CBI.
* Sam Bosco kills someone, a criminal who could not be arrested, and Lisbon helps him cover it up.
My guess, these events are connected.
[[WMG: Something significant happened relating to Red John 8 years prior to Season 2.]]
At that time:
* Red John makes the mistake of killing Carter Peake.
* Minelli takes over as head of the CBI.
* Sam Bosco kills someone, a criminal who could not be arrested, and Lisbon helps him cover it up.
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*Both cases that Brett Partridge worked on were cases dealing with Red John Imitators. Makes sense, seeing as Red John hates cheap imitation.
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* Actually, that forensics guy, Brett Patridge, appears in the Pilot as well. That being the case, the writers can avoid AssPull since they can just say, "Hey, we already give it to you in the first episode!". [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6hU_l2wWwQ This video supports this theory.]]
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The only difference is that Jane doesn't watch TV, while Shawn does.does.
[[WMG: Red John is the waiter]]
* The waiter is big enough to be a guard in law enforcement, and so sociopathic that Jane doesn't even get a bad vibe from him. For once, the storytellers are being honest with us.
[[WMG: Red John is the waiter]]
* The waiter is big enough to be a guard in law enforcement, and so sociopathic that Jane doesn't even get a bad vibe from him. For once, the storytellers are being honest with us.
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...and when Occam's Razor postulates that psychic abilities exist, and the main character has repeatedly denied it, you've got one twisted-up show.
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[[WMG: {{Psych}} [[MutuallyFictional is a TV show in the Mentalist-verse]] ]]
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By either lack of creativity, fear by the producers that if it actually was one of the characters we've met, or fear by the producers that if they decide on someone being Red John early on, and the actor declines to work for them for the final episode, no one who actually controls the plot or creation of the series actually has someone pegged out as Red John. And when he is revealed, it will be an actor that has never been shown on a single episode of the Mentalist (or maybe the actor from the Season 2 finale, but not necessarily since he was more covered than an eskimo) before the series finale.
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By either lack of creativity, fear by the producers that if it actually was one of the characters we've met, or fear by the producers that if they decide on someone being Red John early on, and the actor declines to work for them for the final episode, no one who actually controls the plot or creation of the series actually has someone pegged out as Red John. And when he is revealed, it will be an actor that has never been shown on a single episode of the Mentalist (or maybe the actor from the Season 2 finale, but not necessarily since he was more covered than an eskimo) before the series finale.finale.
[[WMG:Psychic abilities exist in-story.]]
So Jane himself wasn't one; it does not logically follow therefore that none exist. Also, it's either that or some really convoluted explanation for Kristina.
...and when Occam's Razor postulates that psychic abilities exist, and the main character has repeatedly denied it, you've got one twisted-up show.
[[WMG:Psychic abilities exist in-story.]]
So Jane himself wasn't one; it does not logically follow therefore that none exist. Also, it's either that or some really convoluted explanation for Kristina.
...and when Occam's Razor postulates that psychic abilities exist, and the main character has repeatedly denied it, you've got one twisted-up show.
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** [[spoiler: Jossed. In the season 2 finale, Jane is tied to a chair and about to be killed by some Red John "fanboys". However, Red John himself appears, kills them, and has a brief conversation with Patrick before leaving him there]] . Still, it would be an interesting twist.
*** Obviously, [[spoiler: that's not the real Red John, but one of his accomplices. He uses them to lie to himself/his other personality]]
* I've just noticed that Channel Five (In the UK) has just started advertising for Season 3. They use clips of the Season 2 finale with a voiceover of Kristina Frye speaking lines from the finale. As the clip focusses on Jane tied to the chair the following words flash on the screen one by one: Has he lost his mind. Now sure it could just be advertising or it could be a little bit more support for this WMG.
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[[WMG: Kimball Cho is secretly in love with Teresa Lisbon.]]
Cho doesn't show it, since he deeply values keeping his thoughts to himself, but he's had a smoldering desire to have sex with Lisbon since his first day on the job. He thinks she's pretty, and loves the way she mixes openness and sarcasm with introversion. He also has a touch of jelousy and admiration at her for being able to command the team while he is forced to simply obay. He's wary of Patrick Jane, since he thinks Jane is interested in Lisbon, not least because they often go on assignments alone, but finds himself just frustrated with Van Pelt and Rigsby's relationship, since he knows Van Pelt doesn't have any feelings for Rigsby at all while Rigsby's got a bad case of puppy love, and it frustrates him that a grown adult like Rigsby could act so stupid sometimes. Sometimes, while Cho is lying in bed, he chides himself with not simply being more open towards Lisbon and showing her how he feels. Also, after his first two weeks on the job, he secretly took a picture of Lisbon asleep in her office, printed it out, and masturbated on it at home. He deleted the file and burned the picture soon afterward, and to this day still has regrets over what he secretly did in his moment of weakness.
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* i really, really want Kristina Fry to be Red John, mainly because after two episodes i'm liking her more than Lisbon of the two 'jane' ships and i'm not very happy about it (and the scene in the resturant when her and jane were on a date was just too dense for the likes of someone with her intellect. It was obviously meant to mean something).
Also, for the person that said they thought Jane was red john: Isn't it creepy that red john's smiley face with the sleepy eyes looks alot like Jane? most of the time anyway. the one on his bedroom wall, for example, did but there's a lot of times where the face changes into a normal smiley. to off put us maybe? i hope he isn't red john, though. i really wouldn't be able to watch the series again.
Also, for the person that said they thought Jane was red john: Isn't it creepy that red john's smiley face with the sleepy eyes looks alot like Jane? most of the time anyway. the one on his bedroom wall, for example, did but there's a lot of times where the face changes into a normal smiley. to off put us maybe? i hope he isn't red john, though. i really wouldn't be able to watch the series again.
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* i I really, really want Kristina Fry to be Red John, mainly because after two episodes i'm I'm liking her more than Lisbon of the two 'jane' 'Jane' ships and i'm I'm not very happy about it (and the scene in the resturant restaurant when her and jane Jane were on a date was just too dense for the likes of someone with her intellect. It was obviously meant to mean something).
Also, *Also, for the person that said they thought Jane was red john: Isn't it creepy that red john's smiley face with the sleepy eyes looks alot like Jane? most of the time anyway. the one on his bedroom wall, for example, did but there's a lot of times where the face changes into a normal smiley. to off put us maybe? i hope he isn't red john, though. i really wouldn't be able to watch the series again.
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[[WMG: Kimball Cho is secretly in love with Teresa Lisbon.]]
Cho doesn't show it, since he deeply values keeping his thoughts to himself, but he's had a smoldering desire to have sex with Lisbon since his first day on the job. He thinks she's pretty, and loves the way she mixes openness and sarcasm with introversion. He also has a touch of jelousy and admiration at her for being able to command the team while he is forced to simply obay. He's wary of Patrick Jane, since he thinks Jane is interested in Lisbon, not least because they often go on assignments alone, but finds himself just frustrated with Van Pelt and Rigsby's relationship, since he knows Van Pelt doesn't have any feelings for Rigsby at all while Rigsby's got a bad case of puppy love, and it frustrates him that a grown adult like Rigsby could act so stupid sometimes. Sometimes, while Cho is lying in bed, he chides himself with not simply being more open towards Lisbon and showing her how he feels. Also, after his first two weeks on the job, he secretly took a picture of Lisbon asleep in her office, printed it out, and masturbated on it at home. He deleted the file and burned the picture soon afterward, and to this day still has regrets over what he secretly did in his moment of weakness.
[[WMG: Kimball Cho is secretly in love with Teresa Lisbon.]]
Cho doesn't show it, since he deeply values keeping his thoughts to himself, but he's had a smoldering desire to have sex with Lisbon since his first day on the job. He thinks she's pretty, and loves the way she mixes openness and sarcasm with introversion. He also has a touch of jelousy and admiration at her for being able to command the team while he is forced to simply obay. He's wary of Patrick Jane, since he thinks Jane is interested in Lisbon, not least because they often go on assignments alone, but finds himself just frustrated with Van Pelt and Rigsby's relationship, since he knows Van Pelt doesn't have any feelings for Rigsby at all while Rigsby's got a bad case of puppy love, and it frustrates him that a grown adult like Rigsby could act so stupid sometimes. Sometimes, while Cho is lying in bed, he chides himself with not simply being more open towards Lisbon and showing her how he feels. Also, after his first two weeks on the job, he secretly took a picture of Lisbon asleep in her office, printed it out, and masturbated on it at home. He deleted the file and burned the picture soon afterward, and to this day still has regrets over what he secretly did in his moment of weakness.
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By either lack of creativity, fear by the producers that if it actually was one of the characters we've met, or fear by the producers that if they decide on someone being Red John early on, and the actor declines to work for them for the final episode, no one who actually controls the plot or creation of the series actually has someone pegged out as Red John. And when he is revealed, it will be an actor that has never been shown on a single episode of the Mentalist (or maybe the actor from the Season 2 finale, but not necessarily since he was more covered than an eskimo) before the series finale.
[[WMG: Kimball Cho is secretly in love with Teresa Lisbon.]]
Cho doesn't show it, since he deeply values keeping his thoughts to himself, but he's had a smoldering desire to have sex with Lisbon since his first day on the job. He thinks she's pretty, and loves the way she mixes openness and sarcasm with introversion. He also has a touch of jelousy and admiration at her for being able to command the team while he is forced to simply obay. He's wary of Patrick Jane, since he thinks Jane is interested in Lisbon, not least because they often go on assignments alone, but finds himself just frustrated with Van Pelt and Rigsby's relationship, since he knows Van Pelt doesn't have any feelings for Rigsby at all while Rigsby's got a bad case of puppy love, and it frustrates him that a grown adult like Rigsby could act so stupid sometimes. Sometimes, while Cho is lying in bed, he chides himself with not simply being more open towards Lisbon and showing her how he feels. Also, after his first two weeks on the job, he secretly took a picture of Lisbon asleep in her office, printed it out, and masturbated on it at home. He deleted the file and burned the picture soon afterward, and to this day still has regrets over what he secretly did in his moment of weakness.finale.
[[WMG: Kimball Cho is secretly in love with Teresa Lisbon.]]
Cho doesn't show it, since he deeply values keeping his thoughts to himself, but he's had a smoldering desire to have sex with Lisbon since his first day on the job. He thinks she's pretty, and loves the way she mixes openness and sarcasm with introversion. He also has a touch of jelousy and admiration at her for being able to command the team while he is forced to simply obay. He's wary of Patrick Jane, since he thinks Jane is interested in Lisbon, not least because they often go on assignments alone, but finds himself just frustrated with Van Pelt and Rigsby's relationship, since he knows Van Pelt doesn't have any feelings for Rigsby at all while Rigsby's got a bad case of puppy love, and it frustrates him that a grown adult like Rigsby could act so stupid sometimes. Sometimes, while Cho is lying in bed, he chides himself with not simply being more open towards Lisbon and showing her how he feels. Also, after his first two weeks on the job, he secretly took a picture of Lisbon asleep in her office, printed it out, and masturbated on it at home. He deleted the file and burned the picture soon afterward, and to this day still has regrets over what he secretly did in his moment of weakness.
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[[WMG: All wrong. Red John is actually the forensics guy.]]
The voice tone of Red John in the last episode of season 2 is the same as the forensics guy. The creepy one whom Jane says enjoys his work far too much. (This troper is EXTREMELY good at voice tone and frequency recognition.) It's most obvious between the Forensic's guy comment on "Hurry it up, so my team can come in" and Red John saying the word "me" towards the end of the episode. There's a certain tonal constant between Team and Me which matches.
The voice tone of Red John in the last episode of season 2 is the same as the forensics guy. The creepy one whom Jane says enjoys his work far too much. (This troper is EXTREMELY good at voice tone and frequency recognition.) It's most obvious between the Forensic's guy comment on "Hurry it up, so my team can come in" and Red John saying the word "me" towards the end of the episode. There's a certain tonal constant between Team and Me which matches.
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[[WMG: All wrong. Red John is actually the forensics guy.]]
The voice tone of Red John in the last episode of season 2 is the same as the forensics guy. The creepy one whom Jane says enjoys his work far too much. (This troper is EXTREMELY good at voice tone and frequency recognition.) It's most obvious between the Forensic's guy comment on "Hurry it up, so my team can come in" and Red John saying the word "me" towards the end of the episode. There's a certain tonal constant between Team and Me which matches.
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*i really, really want Kristina Fry to be Red John, mainly because after two episodes i'm liking her more than Lisbon of the two 'jane' ships and i'm not very happy about it (and the scene in the resturant when her and jane were on a date was just too dense for the likes of someone with her intellect. It was obviously meant to mean something).
Also, for the person that said they thought Jane was red john: Isn't it creepy that red john's smiley face with the sleepy eyes looks alot like Jane? most of the time anyway. the one on his bedroom wall, for example, did but there's a lot of times where the face changes into a normal smiley. to off put us maybe? i hope he isn't red john, though. i really wouldn't be able to watch the series again.
Also, for the person that said they thought Jane was red john: Isn't it creepy that red john's smiley face with the sleepy eyes looks alot like Jane? most of the time anyway. the one on his bedroom wall, for example, did but there's a lot of times where the face changes into a normal smiley. to off put us maybe? i hope he isn't red john, though. i really wouldn't be able to watch the series again.
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* The part about Jane's daughter might be a kind lie and Kristina's other 'psychic' messages could be from cold reading, which she might be doing subconsciously, genuinely believing herself to be psychic - apart the conversation with the waiter on her date with Jane. That was so specific that it can only mean either (a) Kristina is genuinely in contact with the dead or (b) Kristina staged the whole thing. Assuming for a second that the writers haven't decided to make real psychic powers exist in canon and Kristina staged it - why would she do that? If you're a con artist on a date with someone you know really hates fake psychics, it seems like an odd moment to try and convince him you're the real thing... all it seems to achieve, in fact, is introducing the phrase 'roll tide' so that Red John can say it later to imply he's kidnapped Kristina. Which seems kind of convenient.
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*I've just noticed that Channel Five (In the UK) has just started advertising for Season 3. They use clips of the Season 2 finale with a voiceover of Kristina Frye speaking lines from the finale. As the clip focusses on Jane tied to the chair the following words flash on the screen one by one: Has he lost his mind. Now sure it could just be advertising or it could be a little bit more support for this WMG.
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** ...or she's bluffing. If no one but the killer could know that, who's going to contradict her? And if ''anyone'' besides the killer could know that, like the police, then there are dozens of ways the knowledge could leak out. It's not a strict choice between "she's the killer" and "she really is psychic".
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By either lack of creativity, fear by the producers that if it actually was one of the characters we've met, or fear by the producers that if they decide on someone being Red John early on, and the actor declines to work for them for the final episode, no one who actually controls the plot or creation of the series actually has someone pegged out as Red John. And when he is revealed, it will be an actor that has never been shown on a single episode of the Mentalist (or maybe the actor from the Season 2 finale, but not necessarily since he was more covered than an eskimo) before the series finale.
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By either lack of creativity, fear by the producers that if it actually was one of the characters we've met, or fear by the producers that if they decide on someone being Red John early on, and the actor declines to work for them for the final episode, no one who actually controls the plot or creation of the series actually has someone pegged out as Red John. And when he is revealed, it will be an actor that has never been shown on a single episode of the Mentalist (or maybe the actor from the Season 2 finale, but not necessarily since he was more covered than an eskimo) before the series finale.finale.
[[WMG: Kimball Cho is secretly in love with Teresa Lisbon.]]
Cho doesn't show it, since he deeply values keeping his thoughts to himself, but he's had a smoldering desire to have sex with Lisbon since his first day on the job. He thinks she's pretty, and loves the way she mixes openness and sarcasm with introversion. He also has a touch of jelousy and admiration at her for being able to command the team while he is forced to simply obay. He's wary of Patrick Jane, since he thinks Jane is interested in Lisbon, not least because they often go on assignments alone, but finds himself just frustrated with Van Pelt and Rigsby's relationship, since he knows Van Pelt doesn't have any feelings for Rigsby at all while Rigsby's got a bad case of puppy love, and it frustrates him that a grown adult like Rigsby could act so stupid sometimes. Sometimes, while Cho is lying in bed, he chides himself with not simply being more open towards Lisbon and showing her how he feels. Also, after his first two weeks on the job, he secretly took a picture of Lisbon asleep in her office, printed it out, and masturbated on it at home. He deleted the file and burned the picture soon afterward, and to this day still has regrets over what he secretly did in his moment of weakness.
[[WMG: Kimball Cho is secretly in love with Teresa Lisbon.]]
Cho doesn't show it, since he deeply values keeping his thoughts to himself, but he's had a smoldering desire to have sex with Lisbon since his first day on the job. He thinks she's pretty, and loves the way she mixes openness and sarcasm with introversion. He also has a touch of jelousy and admiration at her for being able to command the team while he is forced to simply obay. He's wary of Patrick Jane, since he thinks Jane is interested in Lisbon, not least because they often go on assignments alone, but finds himself just frustrated with Van Pelt and Rigsby's relationship, since he knows Van Pelt doesn't have any feelings for Rigsby at all while Rigsby's got a bad case of puppy love, and it frustrates him that a grown adult like Rigsby could act so stupid sometimes. Sometimes, while Cho is lying in bed, he chides himself with not simply being more open towards Lisbon and showing her how he feels. Also, after his first two weeks on the job, he secretly took a picture of Lisbon asleep in her office, printed it out, and masturbated on it at home. He deleted the file and burned the picture soon afterward, and to this day still has regrets over what he secretly did in his moment of weakness.
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* Kristina Frye is Red John. Why? ''She told Jane in Season 1 that his daughter never woke up, and died peacefully.'' She can't be genuinely psychic because Jane has said over and over again that it's just good reading of people. But there's ''no way'' Kristina could have known about Jane's daughter by reading him - she had to have known.
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* Kristina Frye is Red John. Why? ''She told Jane in Season 1 that his daughter never woke up, and died peacefully.'' She can't be genuinely psychic because Jane has said over and over again that it's just good reading of people. But there's ''no way'' Kristina could have known about Jane's daughter by reading him - she had to have known.known.
[[WMG: Red John someone we've never met before, and never will meet until the last episode]]
By either lack of creativity, fear by the producers that if it actually was one of the characters we've met, or fear by the producers that if they decide on someone being Red John early on, and the actor declines to work for them for the final episode, no one who actually controls the plot or creation of the series actually has someone pegged out as Red John. And when he is revealed, it will be an actor that has never been shown on a single episode of the Mentalist (or maybe the actor from the Season 2 finale, but not necessarily since he was more covered than an eskimo) before the series finale.
[[WMG: Red John someone we've never met before, and never will meet until the last episode]]
By either lack of creativity, fear by the producers that if it actually was one of the characters we've met, or fear by the producers that if they decide on someone being Red John early on, and the actor declines to work for them for the final episode, no one who actually controls the plot or creation of the series actually has someone pegged out as Red John. And when he is revealed, it will be an actor that has never been shown on a single episode of the Mentalist (or maybe the actor from the Season 2 finale, but not necessarily since he was more covered than an eskimo) before the series finale.
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[[WMG: All wrong. Red John is actually the forensics guy.]]
The voice tone of Red John in the last episode of season 2 is the same as the forensics guy. The creepy one whom Jane says enjoys his work far too much. (This troper is EXTREMELY good at voice tone and frequency recognition.) It's most obvious between the Forensic's guy comment on "Hurry it up, so my team can come in" and Red John saying the word "me" towards the end of the episode. There's a certain tonal constant between Team and Me which matches.
The voice tone of Red John in the last episode of season 2 is the same as the forensics guy. The creepy one whom Jane says enjoys his work far too much. (This troper is EXTREMELY good at voice tone and frequency recognition.) It's most obvious between the Forensic's guy comment on "Hurry it up, so my team can come in" and Red John saying the word "me" towards the end of the episode. There's a certain tonal constant between Team and Me which matches.
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* I had a similar thought and hope it turns out to be true as well. But I also had the thought that it might be a double twist. Kristina Frye is just another one of Red John's acolytes and Patrick Jane is Red John. [[spoiler: That was Kristina that saved Jane at the end of Season 2 perhaps using one of those voice distorter things to disguise her identity.]]
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* I had a similar thought and hope it turns out to be true as well. But I also had the thought that it might be a double twist. Kristina Frye is just another one of Red John's acolytes and Patrick Jane is Red John. [[spoiler: That was Kristina that saved Jane at the end of Season 2 perhaps using one of those voice distorter things to disguise her identity.]]]]
* Kristina Frye is Red John. Why? ''She told Jane in Season 1 that his daughter never woke up, and died peacefully.'' She can't be genuinely psychic because Jane has said over and over again that it's just good reading of people. But there's ''no way'' Kristina could have known about Jane's daughter by reading him - she had to have known.
* Kristina Frye is Red John. Why? ''She told Jane in Season 1 that his daughter never woke up, and died peacefully.'' She can't be genuinely psychic because Jane has said over and over again that it's just good reading of people. But there's ''no way'' Kristina could have known about Jane's daughter by reading him - she had to have known.
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* Under this WMG, she manipulated him into [[DatingCatwoman dating her]] at the end of season 2 in order that he would form an attachment to her, enabling her to torment him further by disappearing in the finale.
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* Under this WMG, she manipulated him into [[DatingCatwoman dating her]] at the end of season 2 in order that he would form an attachment to her, enabling her to torment him further by disappearing in the finale.finale.
* I had a similar thought and hope it turns out to be true as well. But I also had the thought that it might be a double twist. Kristina Frye is just another one of Red John's acolytes and Patrick Jane is Red John. [[spoiler: That was Kristina that saved Jane at the end of Season 2 perhaps using one of those voice distorter things to disguise her identity.]]
* I had a similar thought and hope it turns out to be true as well. But I also had the thought that it might be a double twist. Kristina Frye is just another one of Red John's acolytes and Patrick Jane is Red John. [[spoiler: That was Kristina that saved Jane at the end of Season 2 perhaps using one of those voice distorter things to disguise her identity.]]
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***Obviously, [[spoiler: that's not the real Red John, but one of his accomplices. He uses them to lie to himself/his other personality]]
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[[WMG: Red John is Kristina Frye]]
Or at least, I for one ''really really hope so'', because otherwise this show has a major hole in it; Jane, like Reality, repeatedly denies that there is any such thing as a psychic. If Kristina Frye is, within the fictional world, genuinely psychic, then the show has contradicted its previous line; but if she is faking it (perhaps somehow fooling ''herself'' into the bargain), then she is quite capable of lying to Patrick about it - and has also demonstrated a gift for manipulating people. As per the Fearful Symmetry description above, she could be regarded as a reflection of Jane.
* Under this WMG, she manipulated him into [[DatingCatwoman dating her]] at the end of season 2 in order that he would form an attachment to her, enabling her to torment him further by disappearing in the finale.
[[WMG: Red John is Kristina Frye]]
Or at least, I for one ''really really hope so'', because otherwise this show has a major hole in it; Jane, like Reality, repeatedly denies that there is any such thing as a psychic. If Kristina Frye is, within the fictional world, genuinely psychic, then the show has contradicted its previous line; but if she is faking it (perhaps somehow fooling ''herself'' into the bargain), then she is quite capable of lying to Patrick about it - and has also demonstrated a gift for manipulating people. As per the Fearful Symmetry description above, she could be regarded as a reflection of Jane.
* Under this WMG, she manipulated him into [[DatingCatwoman dating her]] at the end of season 2 in order that he would form an attachment to her, enabling her to torment him further by disappearing in the finale.
