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The main BigBad is a SerialKiller of women. Jane's family was all female. Strong female heroic characters often have moments of victimization, impotence or weakness. The victims of the organ trafficking ring are all women (despite the fact that men's organs are just as good). This show has a fixation on the old "Female Victim" and "Strong female charaters who get disempowered or who take a backseat to the real male hero" canard which, in this age of [=''#MeToo''=], [[Film/MadMaxFuryRoad Furiosa]] and [[StarWars Rey]], is really getting kind of old.

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The main BigBad is a SerialKiller of women. Jane's family was all female. Strong female heroic characters often have moments of victimization, impotence or weakness. The victims of the organ trafficking ring are all women (despite the fact that men's organs are just as good). This show has a fixation on the old "Female Victim" and "Strong female charaters who get disempowered or who take a backseat to the real male hero" canard which, in this age of [=''#MeToo''=], [[Film/MadMaxFuryRoad Furiosa]] and [[StarWars [[Franchise/StarWars Rey]], is really getting kind of old.
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The main BigBad is a SerialKiller of women. Jane's family was all female. Strong female heroic characters often have moments of victimization, impotence or weakness. The victims of the organ trafficking ring are all women (despite the fact that men's organs are just as good). This show has a fixation on the old "Female Victim" and "Strong female charaters who get disempowered or who take a backseat to the real male hero" canard which, in this age of [=''#MeToo''=], [[Film/MadMaxFuryRoad Furiosa]] and [[StarWars Rey]], is really getting kind of old.

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The main BigBad is a SerialKiller of women. Jane's family was all female. Strong female heroic characters often have moments of victimization, impotence or weakness. The victims of the organ trafficking ring are all women (despite the fact that men's organs are just as good). This show has a fixation on the old "Female Victim" and "Strong female charaters who get disempowered or who take a backseat to the real male hero" canard which, in this age of [=''#MeToo''=], [[Film/MadMaxFuryRoad Furiosa]] and [[StarWars Rey]], is really getting kind of old.old.
[[WMG: The DVD where Red John predicted who Jane's final seven suspects would be wasn't really six months old]]
It would be natural for him to assume that Jane would start working on a web of suspects like that, and since Jan couldn't be there 24-7, eventually, he broke in and took a look, then made the DVD. Either he got an actress to impersonate Lorelei for the DVD, or [[DeathFakedForYou he'd never actually killed her and faked her death scene with the help of his moles inside the CBI while still keeping her prisoner]].
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* [[spoiler:Ultimately jossed.]]

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* [[spoiler:Ultimately *[[spoiler:Ultimately jossed.]]
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** [[spoiler:Confirmed. He's a Sheriff.]]




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** Jossed.




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*[[spoiler:Ultimately jossed.]]




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* Jossed. Which is unfortunate, because it could have been an interesting arc.



* And finally Jossed in that William Blake was only ever was left out of picture for two seasons. The trait probably just wasn't relevant inbetween it's first explaination in the season three finale and the reiteration and increased focus following the season six premiere.

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* And finally Jossed in that William Blake was only ever was left out of picture for two seasons. The trait probably just wasn't relevant inbetween it's in between its first explaination explanation in the season three finale and the reiteration and increased focus following the season six premiere.




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** [[spoiler:Jossed.]]



** [[spoiler: Possibly confirmed in Desert Rose, the first episode of the sixth season, where Red John kidnaps and or kills her]].

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** [[spoiler: Possibly confirmed in Desert Rose, the first episode of the sixth season, where Red John kidnaps and or and/or kills her]].
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** [[spoiler:Confirmed on the second, though it's not entirely by his choice. Bertram isn't Red John, but he is a member of the Blake Association, which, unbeknownst to most of the members, was created by Red John.]]
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* [[spoiler:Jossed, but you're not far off. We did meet the guy before he became a Red John suspect, but only once, and we basically knew almost nothing about him.]]
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The main BigBad is a SerialKiller of women. Jane's family was all female. Strong female heroic characters often have moments of victimization, impotence or weakness. The victims of the organ trafficking ring are all women (despite the fact that men's organs are just as good). This show has a fixation on the old "Female Victim" and "Strong female charaters who get disempowered or who take a backseat to the real male hero" canard which, in this age of [=''#MeToo''=], [[MadMaxFuryRoad Furiosa]] and [[StarWars Rey]], is really getting kind of old.

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The main BigBad is a SerialKiller of women. Jane's family was all female. Strong female heroic characters often have moments of victimization, impotence or weakness. The victims of the organ trafficking ring are all women (despite the fact that men's organs are just as good). This show has a fixation on the old "Female Victim" and "Strong female charaters who get disempowered or who take a backseat to the real male hero" canard which, in this age of [=''#MeToo''=], [[MadMaxFuryRoad [[Film/MadMaxFuryRoad Furiosa]] and [[StarWars Rey]], is really getting kind of old.
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The main BigBad is a SerialKiller of women. Jane's family was all female. Strong female heroic characters often have moments of victimization, impotence or weakness. The victims of the organ trafficking ring are all women (despite the fact that men's organs are just as good). This show has a fixation on the old "Female Victim" and "Strong female charaters who get disempowered or who take a backseat to the real male hero".

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The main BigBad is a SerialKiller of women. Jane's family was all female. Strong female heroic characters often have moments of victimization, impotence or weakness. The victims of the organ trafficking ring are all women (despite the fact that men's organs are just as good). This show has a fixation on the old "Female Victim" and "Strong female charaters who get disempowered or who take a backseat to the real male hero".hero" canard which, in this age of [=''#MeToo''=], [[MadMaxFuryRoad Furiosa]] and [[StarWars Rey]], is really getting kind of old.
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He is Mar.

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He is Mar.Mar.

[[WMG: The Writers of TheMentalist Have Issues With Women]]
The main BigBad is a SerialKiller of women. Jane's family was all female. Strong female heroic characters often have moments of victimization, impotence or weakness. The victims of the organ trafficking ring are all women (despite the fact that men's organs are just as good). This show has a fixation on the old "Female Victim" and "Strong female charaters who get disempowered or who take a backseat to the real male hero".
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Based on what is known about ''The Following,'' that show's antagonist seems very similar to Red John - highly murderous, has attracted a large cult of new killers that's growing exponentially, Manson-style. The ratings for ''TheMentalist'' have been plunging to new lows, so CBS may end up canceling it after the current season concludes in spring 2013. It's likely that Heller et al. won't be able to wrap up the Red John storyline properly, so they whispered the details in the ears of Kevin Williamson so he can continue the story himself, on a different network.

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Based on what is known about ''The Following,'' that show's antagonist seems very similar to Red John - highly murderous, has attracted a large cult of new killers that's growing exponentially, Manson-style. The ratings for ''TheMentalist'' ''The Mentalist'' have been plunging to new lows, so CBS may end up canceling it after the current season concludes in spring 2013. It's likely that Heller et al. won't be able to wrap up the Red John storyline properly, so they whispered the details in the ears of Kevin Williamson so he can continue the story himself, on a different network.
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[[WMG: {{Psych}} [[MutuallyFictional is a TV show in the Mentalist-verse]] ]]

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[[WMG: {{Psych}} ''Series/{{Psych}}'' [[MutuallyFictional is a TV show in the Mentalist-verse]] ]]
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Taking the guess about Red John never having actually killed someone personally a step further. The Red John case is a [[GhostInTheShell Stand Alone Complex]]. All Red John killings are the work of copycats and "followers" who are following the whims of a man who doesn't exist and never really existed to begin with.

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Taking the guess about Red John never having actually killed someone personally a step further. The Red John case is a [[GhostInTheShell [[Anime/GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex Stand Alone Complex]]. All Red John killings are the work of copycats and "followers" who are following the whims of a man who doesn't exist and never really existed to begin with.
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From a parallel universe; specifically one of the alternate universes from {{Fringe}}.

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From a parallel universe; specifically one of the alternate universes from {{Fringe}}.
''{{Series/Fringe}}''.
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[[WMG: Jane is really [[WillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory Willy Wonka]].]]
No, not just The Wonka. The WONKA. Watch Gene Wilder's Wonka and Jane back to back and say that they're not the same person. Curly blond hair, fondness for waistcoats, sadistic glee in messing with people's heads, and they speak with almost the same inflection in their voices. Especially when they're really messing with people and pretending to be innocent.

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[[WMG: Jane is really [[WillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory [[Film/WillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory Willy Wonka]].]]
No, not just The Wonka.TheWonka. The WONKA. Watch Gene Wilder's Wonka and Jane back to back and say that they're not the same person. Curly blond hair, fondness for waistcoats, sadistic glee in messing with people's heads, and they speak with almost the same inflection in their voices. Especially when they're really messing with people and pretending to be innocent.
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To take revenge on the team.

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To take revenge on the team.team.

[[WMG: Marcus Pike is the real Red John.]]
He is Mar.
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In the end of the episode "Seeing Red", Kristina Frye tells Jane that his daughter never woke up from Red John's murder of her. Patrick Jane gets indignant and angry and sad not because she was right, but because she was WRONG. Red John almost never breaks his MO when he can help it, and wouldn't even spare a little girl from waking up and suffering her horrible death. Patrick's tears at the end are him re-living him finding her body.

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In the end of the episode "Seeing Red", Kristina Frye tells Jane that his daughter never woke up from Red John's murder of her. Patrick Jane gets indignant and angry and sad not because she was right, but because she was WRONG. Red John almost never breaks his MO when he can help it, and wouldn't even spare a little girl from waking up and suffering her horrible death. Patrick's tears at the end are him re-living him finding her body.body.

[[WMG: Volker's coming back.]]
To take revenge on the team.
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The way I see it, once everything comes to a head next season, Red John and Jane will start [[XanatosGambit gambiting each other]] ala DeathNote, each spinning [[GambitPileup dozens of ploys to catch the other]]. In the end, Lisbon is the key. Lisbon is the one person, the ONLY other person, that Jane trusts fully. He trusts the other team members but not in the same way. He trusts that Lisbon is willing to go all the way with helping him catch Red John, as revealed by him [[spoiler: showing her the video that Red John left for him, as well as letting her know the list of seven suspects.]] Red John knows this. He knows that Lisbon is Jane's best friend and possible love interest. Getting to Lisbon will be the final act of Red John's gambit, when he knows that Jane is close enough to take him out. However, Lisbon is the ActionGirl for a reason, and she may be the key to upending whatever plans Red John has for Jane. Or, Jane may know that involving Lisbon is his best chance for actually stopping Red John, as he's learned he can't do it by himself.

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The way I see it, once everything comes to a head next season, Red John and Jane will start [[XanatosGambit gambiting each other]] ala DeathNote, Manga/DeathNote, each spinning [[GambitPileup dozens of ploys to catch the other]]. In the end, Lisbon is the key. Lisbon is the one person, the ONLY other person, that Jane trusts fully. He trusts the other team members but not in the same way. He trusts that Lisbon is willing to go all the way with helping him catch Red John, as revealed by him [[spoiler: showing her the video that Red John left for him, as well as letting her know the list of seven suspects.]] Red John knows this. He knows that Lisbon is Jane's best friend and possible love interest. Getting to Lisbon will be the final act of Red John's gambit, when he knows that Jane is close enough to take him out. However, Lisbon is the ActionGirl for a reason, and she may be the key to upending whatever plans Red John has for Jane. Or, Jane may know that involving Lisbon is his best chance for actually stopping Red John, as he's learned he can't do it by himself.

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