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It's pretty obvious that Kylo Ren is important to Snoke for as long as he's useful, but if someone better comes along (after all by the end of The Force Awakens Ren is falling apart physically as well as mentally and was never very stable to start with)... only this time it's not a younger guy but a young woman... and the Force seems to be genetic, so why not try to effect her capture and... well in this rating it would probably still be 'marriage', to see what sort of powerful offspring they could create? (Obviously Rey would be spectacularly unimpressed with this idea, seeing as on his very best behaviour Ren is still a solipsistic PsychopathicManchild with signs of AmbiguousDisorder. Kylo's possible VillainousCrush might mean he's happy to go along with it, but when it comes to the Supreme Leader he does as he's told anyway.) It probably wouldn't ''happen'' but it might well be seriously attempted.

Before anyone points out that "that's not how the Force works!", the Force might not attack systems like microprocessors but we know that heavy Dark Side users tend to have physical effects from using it- Vader's strange colouring between his turning dark and the duel on Mustaffa, Palpatine's extreme accelerated aging, various characters from the EU who were practically falling apart... Kylo, though, merely has emotionally intense but physically normal eyes, and a pallor that would be inevitable from wearing a visor all the time. But his mental state of AmbiguousDisorder could be easily attributable to one whose brain is in the early stages of serious damage in the frontal lobe. It would also explain some if not all of his VillainBall moments- such damage would make anyone absent-minded.

[[WMG:Kylo's AmbiguousDisorder is a direct result of growing up plugged into the Force at all times]]

I refuse to believe that Hux, a fascist military General who has murdered his way to the top and clearly has some type of AmbiguousDisorder such as megalomania or a dangerously simmering god complex, is simply a filler character or somebody to be killed off. He's probably going to be a BigBad in the next movie or at least provide a wide source of danger for the heroes. Some more expansion on his relationship/conflict with Ren would be interesting as well.

* Jossed. He tries to kill Luke.

We never see him use the traditional "Dark Side Powers", ie Force Lightning. (Darth Vader couldn't because of his cybernetics). He uses [[GoodPowersBadPeople Stop and Mental Suggestion]], UpToEleven so they don't appear like their original selves.

* The Death Star's main laser was powered by Kyber crystals - the same crystals that Jedi (and Sith, for that matter) use to make their lightsabers. It would explain a lot if developing ''both'' Death Stars ''and'' the weapon on Starkiller Base (which was basically a Death Star laser turned UpToEleven) caused a galaxywide shortage of Kyber crystals. For example, the Kyber crystal Kylo Ren used to make his lightsaber was cracked, causing its unstable appearance. That wasn't because Ren was particularly incompetent; that was because the crystal he found, though imperfect, ''was the only one he could locate.'' That would also explain why Anakin's lightsaber was kept under such close protection; not so much because it was Anakin's - as some have pointed out, its past is as checkered as that of its owner[[note]]read: Among Anakin's first acts with the saber after he turned was the slaughter of an entire temple full of children[[/note]]. It was because it was just damned hard to find and make lightsabers due to the FO having control of any Kyber crystal mines that existed.

[[WMG: Episode VIII is going to reveal that Rey is the product of VillainousIncest [[StalkerWithATestTube by proxy]] in a ShockingSwerve.]]

As for the ''writers''' motives for pulling such a ShockingSwerve on us, how the characters come to grips with this horrible revelation will serve to deconstruct SinsOfTheFather and the Jedi's stupid rules [[LoveIsACrime against falling in love and getting married]] in the prequels. The big [[AnAesop moral lesson]] Rey will learn from all this is that despicable origins don't force you to be immoral (as she ultimately rejects the villain's claims that she has to turn to the dark side just because she was conceived for its purposes and by its means). The big lesson the next generation of Jedi will learn in the meantime is not to make stupid rules against love and marriage and having children because those are what the Sith and Knights of Ren used to corrupt Darth Vader and Kylo Ren and others, and how they nearly seduced Rey as well. (Oh, and did I mention that one more [[TheReveal big revelation]] from all this will be that this pointless celibacy requirement was one more motivation for Kylo Ren to turn against Luke? "Maybe your father would have made a better Jedi if the other Jedi had let him ''be'' your father, Luke; sounds to me like [[VillainHasAPoint Vader had a point]] about those prigs.")

* And I'm sure Luke would also learn that as well, considering that even after all these years, he still have much to learn in order to successfully rebuild the Jedi Order. Because it is kind of a RealityEnsues when it comes to Luke trying to rebuild the Jedi Order all by himself with only little Jedi training. He had to figure things out on his own most of the time and he might not be the best teacher for the new Jedi, which might be one of the reasons that leads to Ben Solo turning to the Dark side and ruins everything in the first place. If Maz really does know Yoda, then Luke would have a lot to discuss with her regarding the Jedi Master's thoughts on the Force and advice on how to rebuild the Jedi Order as well.

* Jossed. He believes that the Jedi will end.

Lake could've left it at the Rebel base, equipped with sensitive technology that can detect ambient Force potential. The moment a strong enough force sensitive arrives, R2-D2 was planned to activate, give part of the map, and they'd go on a SecretTestofCharacter to find the missing price from the beginning. Only then would he train them.

* [[Literature/TheShining "Book!Jack Torrance"]] ending: [[spoiler: He uses the last of his humanity/sanity to let the good guys escape and is then overcome by the Dark Side/Snoke/madness and is killed through his own actions, which according to the book is trying stop an unstoppable explosion with his bare hands]]

* Jossed.

** Jossed: It is explicitly stated that Snoke witnessed the rise and fall of the Empire, thus he would predate Luke.

** I'm fond of Breha, Rey could easily be a diminutive of it

[[WMG: The entire film is a TakeThatAudience to the most diehard Prequel trilogy haters, and the sequel will be a TakeThat to the more diehard Prequel fans]].

Think about it. The film opens with Luke Skywalker vanishing. Harrison Ford has always believed Luke to be a stand-in for Lucas to a certain extent. Ren is a LoonyFan filled with uncontrollable rage and prone to child-like tantrums. He worships at the alter of Darth Vader’s empty mask much like olderfans worshiping Vader as a "badass" in the OT but felt he was "ruined" in the PT. Ren's actions are what caused Luke to vanish, much like the negativity torwards the Prequels causing Lucas to retire.

Rey and Finn are younger, much like the audience Lucas targeted for all his Star Wars output. When they meet Han Solo and realize who he is they’re awe-struck. When Han reveals to them that the stories of the Jedi and the force are all true, they don’t question him. They accept it, a nod to how younger fans tend to be less critical of the Prequels.

Notice Lor San Tekka saying that "this will being to make things right". The quote was not necessarily a ShoutOut to how everything will be made right after the movies "redeem" Star Wars, because he then mentions a need for "balance" and that without the Jedi, all is lost. Coincidentally Kylo Ren shows up, burns down the village with the First Order not long after the scene with him and Poe. So it is likely that extreme FanHater grouo-represented by Kylo Ren-are to blame for imbalance in the fandom.

Furthermore note that Simon Pegg is in here, he's a noted critic of the Prequels, but he takes a villain, or at least antagonistic role that is little different from Watto in Episode I, only without the slave and podracing.

Most likely Episode VIII would have some take thats towards more diehard Prequel fans whom whitewash the more polarizing aspects of the Prequels due to nostaligia or being unable to accept any legitimate criticism of the Prequels. This could be done by highlighting Luke's own mistakes as a Jedi master and making him flawed in a way. Maybe to the point where Kylo's own FaceHeelTurn and corruption by Snoke was justified drawing on justifiable criticism for the Prequels themselves appearing as allegory in the movie(most likely Jar Jar and the fact that a degree of the success of the Originals was because others proofread Lucas' work at that time without him going off the rails).

Episode IX would probably stress the need for unity within the fandom after doing a TakeThat for both diehard Prequel fans and haters.

* I don't even remotely buy this. The film has just as many nods to the prequels as it does the other films. Kylo Ren is a direct parallel to Anakin in Episode 3, for instance. The argument about clones being superior between Kylo Ren & General Hux, the pod racing banners covering Maz Kanata's bar. Or, you know, the fact that JJ Abrams himself brought in Ewan McGregor to record lines as Obi-Wan Kenobi in Rey's flashback. It's decidedly NOT a TakeThat to the Prequels or fans of the Saga at all.

Cosinga and Rey would both be direct counters of the InTheBlood trope that continues to causing suffering across the galaxy, and a reversal on Kylo Ren ([[spoiler:the villain descended from the light, the hero descended from the dark]].) If Snoke is Plagueis, it'd give him even more of a beef with Rey as her grandfather tried to/[[BackFromTheDead did kill him]]. Finally, it'd tie Palpatine into the Sequel Trilogy, but in a massive sense of irony he's responsible for the '''hero.'''

General Hux mentions that the Clone Army is still an option in supplying their military might in addition to conditioned-from-birth conscripts. Presumably, after Starkiller Base's destruction, the First Order military was dealt a crippling blow, and is in dire need for additional soldiers. And so they will turn their attention to the Clone Army. Meanwhile, the New Republic, now realizing the threat of the First Order, would also be looking to create an army of their own to replace what was lost in the Hosnian System during Starkiller's attack. This will lead to the Battle of Kamino where both sides compete for control over the cloning facilities on the planet. If we also go by one of the above WMGs that Leia will be the new Chancellor of the New Republic, then she would be the one to approve the creation of the New Clone Army, and this new Clone Army will fight alongside the Resistance against the First Order. Of course, if this happens in the next movie, there's a very high chance that it would be 'The Empire Strikes Back' of the new trilogy, and would include a dark twist near the end when it turns out that this is ''exactly'' what Snoke wants, and he will pull an 'Order 66' and command the New Clone Army to turn on the Resistance and the New Republic itself. HistoryRepeats itself once again.

* Well, remember [[Disney/TheLionKing Mufasa?]]

As somebody else pointed out, Rakata Prime is still in the official canon, a planet introduced in VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic. Furthermore, Kylo Ren seems to be heavily inspired by Revan - The design of the helmet and hood being similar to what Revan wears in visions and flashbacks, the mentions of 'The Knights of Ren' which remind me at least of the Revanites (if in name only), the seduction to dark side and how he seems to think about going back and forth between them, talking about how the light side is calling to him, similar to how Revan was light-sided, turned to the dark side and then can turn back or continue on a dark path. One could argue about how this is also similar to Darth Vader, but Vader never mentions wanting to go back to the light in the original trilogy. He just does so.

* An it will be revealed that [[TheChessmaster it was Snoke's intent all along]]: just like Palpatine manipulated to separatist systems to lure the Old Republic into dismantling itself, Snoke is in fact manipulating the first order to bring forth his real master plan: to bring the New Republic to the Dark Side by provoking its public opinion into favoring [[KnightsOfTheOldRepublic Revanchist]] policies.

[[spoiler: And if they want to reference the VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic games, they could make this a great moment for Han. In the original VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic, Malak attempts to have Bastila kill someone she loves, in this case a redeemed Revan, to extinguish the light within her. If Luke happened to tell Han the old Jedi legend of the Prodigal Knight, he would have known about that and possibly sacrificed himself to prevent his son from being able to go through with performing the same kind of atrocity, thus leaving a spark within Ben for Luke and Rey to try to ignite.]]