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[[WMG: Kryptonians are [[Planimal planimals.]] ]]
When you think about it, Superman's source of power is similar to that of photosynthesis: he absorbs sunlight and gains power from it. Perhaps primordial Kryptonian animal-like life developed a form of photosynthesis to survive on a world with a pitiful red dwarf sun. The superpowers were likely some sort of genetic augmentation to prevent the extra sunlight from roasting Supes alive
[[WMG: Rao is Barnad's Star.]]
I doubt Jor-El would have been able to make an FTL starship in time. Though Proxima Centauri is the closer star to us, Proxima Centauri is significantly closer to another yellow star. Said star, the Alpha Centaur system, already has a populace(it's where Rann and Adam Strange live), so I doubt Jor-El would target the father away Sol System.
When you think about it, Superman's source of power is similar to that of photosynthesis: he absorbs sunlight and gains power from it. Perhaps primordial Kryptonian animal-like life developed a form of photosynthesis to survive on a world with a pitiful red dwarf sun. The superpowers were likely some sort of genetic augmentation to prevent the extra sunlight from roasting Supes alive
[[WMG: Rao is Barnad's Star.]]
I doubt Jor-El would have been able to make an FTL starship in time. Though Proxima Centauri is the closer star to us, Proxima Centauri is significantly closer to another yellow star. Said star, the Alpha Centaur system, already has a populace(it's where Rann and Adam Strange live), so I doubt Jor-El would target the father away Sol System.
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[[WMG: [[WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow Mr. Mxyzptlk]] is {{Jesus}}.]]
In ''WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'', he says he spent 2,000 years doing nothing, 2,000 being a saint, and 2,000 being a prankster. That'd place the end of his "saintly" phase roughly around... yeah. And that would explain why miracles seem to be concentrated in the so-called "Biblical times" (~4,000 BC - ~30 AD).
In ''WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'', he says he spent 2,000 years doing nothing, 2,000 being a saint, and 2,000 being a prankster. That'd place the end of his "saintly" phase roughly around... yeah. And that would explain why miracles seem to be concentrated in the so-called "Biblical times" (~4,000 BC - ~30 AD).
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[[WMG: [[WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow [[ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow Mr. Mxyzptlk]] is {{Jesus}}.]]
In''WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'', ''ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'', he says he spent 2,000 years doing nothing, 2,000 being a saint, and 2,000 being a prankster. That'd place the end of his "saintly" phase roughly around... yeah. And that would explain why miracles seem to be concentrated in the so-called "Biblical times" (~4,000 BC - ~30 AD).
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[[WMG: Had Superboy-Prime [[CrisisOnInfiniteEarths not entered the paradise dimension]], SupermanSecretIdentity would be the result.]]
The Elseworlds "Superman: Secret Identity" was based off the origin story of Superboy-Prime, after all. The new 52 multiverse, while having a number of realities re-created, aren't perfect copies(ie how PowerGirl [[JusticeSocietyOfAmerica discovered Earth-2 Power Girl]], even though its a reborn version of the Earth-2 she hailed from. Had Superboy-Prime not joined Alex Luthor Jr in his pocket dimension, he would've been erased and we would have the events of SupermanSecretIdentity. However Prime was outside of continuity, and as a result Earth-Prime 2.0 wasn't able to generate a new Kal-El, or even Krypton. Thus, the reborn Earth-Prime had no Krypton, and thus no super-powered beings. This is how Earth-Prime can be both RealLife and yet have Superboy-Prime: the original Earth-Prime did, but the current one we're in now ''doesn't.'' His parents and history still existing remains a ContinuitySnarl though, albiet a pretty mild one compared to the rest of the 52.
The Elseworlds "Superman: Secret Identity" was based off the origin story of Superboy-Prime, after all. The new 52 multiverse, while having a number of realities re-created, aren't perfect copies(ie how PowerGirl [[JusticeSocietyOfAmerica discovered Earth-2 Power Girl]], even though its a reborn version of the Earth-2 she hailed from. Had Superboy-Prime not joined Alex Luthor Jr in his pocket dimension, he would've been erased and we would have the events of SupermanSecretIdentity. However Prime was outside of continuity, and as a result Earth-Prime 2.0 wasn't able to generate a new Kal-El, or even Krypton. Thus, the reborn Earth-Prime had no Krypton, and thus no super-powered beings. This is how Earth-Prime can be both RealLife and yet have Superboy-Prime: the original Earth-Prime did, but the current one we're in now ''doesn't.'' His parents and history still existing remains a ContinuitySnarl though, albiet a pretty mild one compared to the rest of the 52.
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[[WMG: Had Superboy-Prime [[CrisisOnInfiniteEarths [[ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths not entered the paradise dimension]], SupermanSecretIdentity ComicBook/SupermanSecretIdentity would be the result.]]
The Elseworlds "Superman: Secret Identity" was based off the origin story of Superboy-Prime, after all. The new 52 multiverse, while having a number of realities re-created, aren't perfect copies(ie how PowerGirl [[JusticeSocietyOfAmerica discovered Earth-2 Power Girl]], even though its a reborn version of the Earth-2 she hailed from. Had Superboy-Prime not joined Alex Luthor Jr in his pocket dimension, he would've been erased and we would have the events ofSupermanSecretIdentity.ComicBook/SupermanSecretIdentity. However Prime was outside of continuity, and as a result Earth-Prime 2.0 wasn't able to generate a new Kal-El, or even Krypton. Thus, the reborn Earth-Prime had no Krypton, and thus no super-powered beings. This is how Earth-Prime can be both RealLife and yet have Superboy-Prime: the original Earth-Prime did, but the current one we're in now ''doesn't.'' His parents and history still existing remains a ContinuitySnarl though, albiet a pretty mild one compared to the rest of the 52.
The Elseworlds "Superman: Secret Identity" was based off the origin story of Superboy-Prime, after all. The new 52 multiverse, while having a number of realities re-created, aren't perfect copies(ie how PowerGirl [[JusticeSocietyOfAmerica discovered Earth-2 Power Girl]], even though its a reborn version of the Earth-2 she hailed from. Had Superboy-Prime not joined Alex Luthor Jr in his pocket dimension, he would've been erased and we would have the events of
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** All of this talk about mimickng kryptonian abilities has reminded me of a universal debate namely Superman Vs Goku. Since the 1930's Superman has set the tone for massively overpowered superhero's. Does anyone even know his complete catalog of powers? We're pretty sure at one time or another he's had every one listed in the Marvel Superheroes Ultimate Power Guide (TM). Seriously, how much kryptonite is there in the world? Apparently enough to give him a challenge for over half a century of cartoon and comic book appearances. Invulnerable, planet-crushing strength and faster than light with a few dozen odd powers thrown in, Superman is the one American Superhero every villain hates to have crash their party. Enter Goku. Japanese Anime's answer to the Man of Steel. Besides speed racer Dragon Ball Z is one of the first anime's watched by Americans thanks to CartoonNetwork. Consider: a character built on the assumption that there is no upper power limit *Ever*. Each week they would feature a new mindbogglingly devastating attack from the hero in question. How to challenge such a character? In the show DragonBall-Z, challenging Goku seems irrelevant compared to blowing up things in new and spectacular ways... but they try.
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** All of this talk about mimickng kryptonian abilities has reminded me of a universal debate namely Superman Vs Goku. Since the 1930's Superman has set the tone for massively overpowered superhero's. Does anyone even know his complete catalog of powers? We're pretty sure at one time or another he's had every one listed in the Marvel Superheroes Ultimate Power Guide (TM). Seriously, how much kryptonite is there in the world? Apparently enough to give him a challenge for over half a century of cartoon and comic book appearances. Invulnerable, planet-crushing strength and faster than light with a few dozen odd powers thrown in, Superman is the one American Superhero every villain hates to have crash their party. Enter Goku. Japanese Anime's answer to the Man of Steel. Besides speed racer Dragon Ball Z is one of the first anime's watched by Americans thanks to CartoonNetwork.Creator/CartoonNetwork. Consider: a character built on the assumption that there is no upper power limit *Ever*. Each week they would feature a new mindbogglingly devastating attack from the hero in question. How to challenge such a character? In the show DragonBall-Z, challenging Goku seems irrelevant compared to blowing up things in new and spectacular ways... but they try.
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** No, but I think I've seen him at my therapist. I mean, this guy spoke with a Kansas accent and looked like Christopher Reeve with a ton of muscles...
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[[WMG: SupermanReturns did not retcon SupermanIII and SupermanIV from continuity]]
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[[WMG:Superman killed the original [[ComicBook/TheSandman Despair]] by embodying hope.]]
*In Sandman: Endless Nights we see Despair talking to Rao (an [[AnthropomorphicPersonification Anthropomorphic Personification]] of the Kryptonian sun). She suggests:
''Think about it, Rao. Wouldn't bringing life onto a planet that is inherently unstable add to the beauty of the life? If at any moment, it could explode...Truly it would only be perfectly beautiful, a perfect piece of art, if one single life-form escaped. To remember, to mourn, to despair.''
*This experiment in total despair, of course, backfires spectacularly by leading to the creation of the greatest symbol of hope.
**This method of an endless setting herself up for destruction is the only way it appears that they can in any way "die", and Despair is one of only two endless that are confirmed to have "died".
*In Sandman: Endless Nights we see Despair talking to Rao (an [[AnthropomorphicPersonification Anthropomorphic Personification]] of the Kryptonian sun). She suggests:
''Think about it, Rao. Wouldn't bringing life onto a planet that is inherently unstable add to the beauty of the life? If at any moment, it could explode...Truly it would only be perfectly beautiful, a perfect piece of art, if one single life-form escaped. To remember, to mourn, to despair.''
*This experiment in total despair, of course, backfires spectacularly by leading to the creation of the greatest symbol of hope.
**This method of an endless setting herself up for destruction is the only way it appears that they can in any way "die", and Despair is one of only two endless that are confirmed to have "died".
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Since it's powered by GreenRocks, it can do stuff like see through brick walls but not clothing, and we know that lead is an effective block for kryptonite radiation. The reason he doesn't harm himself with it is that he is immune to the kryptonite radiation that ''he'' produces, like how [[ComicBook/{{X-Men}} the Summers brothers]] are immune to their own powerblasts, but not of others. (Prove me wrong.[[hottip:* :No, seriously, I'd like to know if it's not possibly by general canon.]])
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Since it's powered by GreenRocks, it can do stuff like see through brick walls but not clothing, and we know that lead is an effective block for kryptonite radiation. The reason he doesn't harm himself with it is that he is immune to the kryptonite radiation that ''he'' produces, like how [[ComicBook/{{X-Men}} the Summers brothers]] are immune to their own powerblasts, but not of others. (Prove me wrong.[[hottip:* :No, [[note]]No, seriously, I'd like to know if it's not possibly by general canon.]])[[/note]])
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[[WMG: Comic ComicBook/TeenTitans theory: Superboy-Prime's apperance in Teen Titans #98-#100 was an assassination attempt by the DC writers.]]
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During [[BlackestNight Adventure Comics #4 and #5]], Superboy-Prime [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap finally became likeable]], in a crazy metafictional way with fighting off the Black Lanterns and [[WhatTheHellHero calling out the writers.]] In the last pre-New52 Titans story, [[CharacterDerailment he's back to his old]] Jerkass StrawFan traits and [[VillainDecay slapped on the Source Wall]]. Why would they do this? As mentioned before, Prime had called out the writers, and tried to kill them. Fearing for their careers, lives and [[FridgeHorror the horrific implications that what they're making is real]], they chose to not just remove Superboy Prime once and for all, but to ensure that no-one would ever want him to return and that no-one would care for what he has to say-hence they removed the work they did in his BlackestNight appearance and made him a Jerkass StrawFan again. Prime only got back to the DC Universe literally because the writers wanted him there. All his dialogue and thoughts in those issues weren't his own, but rather the writers altering his mind to fit their scheme. Slapping him on the Source Wall comes from how effective its been in the past, considering it worked for ''[[BiggerBad DARKSEID]]'' of all people. [[AndIMustScream Superboy-Prime is trapped on the Source Wall]], and unless another writer is unaware of the attack he made in their office, will likely never be trapped. And even if he does return, there's a good chance they'll continue this and [[ParanoiaFuel the only way we know what Prime is truly thinking is when he's offscreen.]] [[JerkassWoobie Poor guy.]]
During [[BlackestNight Adventure Comics #4 and #5]], Superboy-Prime [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap finally became likeable]], in a crazy metafictional way with fighting off the Black Lanterns and [[WhatTheHellHero calling out the writers.]] In the last pre-New52 Titans story, [[CharacterDerailment he's back to his old]] Jerkass StrawFan traits and [[VillainDecay slapped on the Source Wall]]. Why would they do this? As mentioned before, Prime had called out the writers, and tried to kill them. Fearing for their careers, lives and [[FridgeHorror the horrific implications that what they're making is real]], they chose to not just remove Superboy Prime once and for all, but to ensure that no-one would ever want him to return and that no-one would care for what he has to say-hence they removed the work they did in his BlackestNight appearance and made him a Jerkass StrawFan again. Prime only got back to the DC Universe literally because the writers wanted him there. All his dialogue and thoughts in those issues weren't his own, but rather the writers altering his mind to fit their scheme. Slapping him on the Source Wall comes from how effective its been in the past, considering it worked for ''[[BiggerBad DARKSEID]]'' of all people. [[AndIMustScream Superboy-Prime is trapped on the Source Wall]], and unless another writer is unaware of the attack he made in their office, will likely never be trapped. And even if he does return, there's a good chance they'll continue this and [[ParanoiaFuel the only way we know what Prime is truly thinking is when he's offscreen.]] [[JerkassWoobie Poor guy.]]
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He appears to both add comedic elements and a challenge-back in the day, there were few who could hold up to Superman. Mxy thought that Supes [[InvincibleHero winning fights all the time]] would end up turning fans off, and cancel the Superman series(effectively killing off the DC Universe). So he decided to appear as a power-based superior to Superman, making him use his brain instead of brawn. This would help with making Superman more interesting and battles more tense. Being sent back by saying his name is Myxzptlk not wanting [[InvincibleVillian the opposite problem]]. Mxyzptlk remains goofy and light-heated because he doesn't like the DarkerAndEdgier state of the DCUniverse, and wants to remind the readers to have fun. Even his [[RealityWarper powers]] are a result of his NoFourthWall-he can see and interact with the universe's narrative structure, manipulating it for good stories. TheJoker could steal his powers because he has NoFourthWall as well, and can also see the narrative structure.
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He appears to both add comedic elements and a challenge-back in the day, there were few who could hold up to Superman. Mxy thought that Supes [[InvincibleHero winning fights all the time]] would end up turning fans off, and cancel the Superman series(effectively killing off the DC Universe). So he decided to appear as a power-based superior to Superman, making him use his brain instead of brawn. This would help with making Superman more interesting and battles more tense. Being sent back by saying his name is Myxzptlk not wanting [[InvincibleVillian [[InvincibleVillain the opposite problem]]. Mxyzptlk remains goofy and light-heated because he doesn't like the DarkerAndEdgier state of the DCUniverse, and wants to remind the readers to have fun. Even his [[RealityWarper powers]] are a result of his NoFourthWall-he can see and interact with the universe's narrative structure, manipulating it for good stories. TheJoker could steal his powers because he has NoFourthWall as well, and can also see the narrative structure.
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** I always considered the kryptonians as descendants of the truffles.
** All of this talk about mimickng kryptonian abilities has reminded me of a universal debate namely Superman Vs Goku. Since the 1930's Superman has set the tone for massively overpowered superhero's. Does anyone even know his complete catalog of powers? We're pretty sure at one time or another he's had every one listed in the Marvel Superheroes Ultimate Power Guide (TM). Seriously, how much kryptonite is there in the world? Apparently enough to give him a challenge for over half a century of cartoon and comic book appearances. Invulnerable, planet-crushing strength and faster than light with a few dozen odd powers thrown in, Superman is the one American Superhero every villain hates to have crash their party. Enter Goku. Japanese Anime's answer to the Man of Steel. Besides speed racer Dragon Ball Z is one of the first anime's watched by Americans thanks to CartoonNetwork. Consider: a character built on the assumption that there is no upper power limit *Ever*. Each week they would feature a new mindbogglingly devastating attack from the hero in question. How to challenge such a character? In the show DragonBall-Z, challenging Goku seems irrelevant compared to blowing up things in new and spectacular ways... but they try.
** When you think about it this is the perfect match because saiyans (children of Adam) seem to be the direct opposite of Kryptonians. Kryptonians store solar energy actively within their bio-cellular matrix as an energy pattern that is linked to their body's electromagnetic field. This permanently opens their chakra centers granting them their abilities. However it also leaves them vulnerable to magic. Saiyans however naturally possess exceptional strength and are quintessentially built for fighting. They are capable of easily lifting hundreds of times their own weight (Goku, before receiving Master Roshi's training, was able to lift Bulma's car in the first episode of Dragon Ball at the mere age of twelve). The naturally high gravity of Planet Vegeta develops their strength further making them incredibly strong at young ages. Even weaker Saiyans are capable of conquering most planets alone. Through tough training, Saiyans are able to reach new levels of power, and the more intense training and fights they go through, the stronger they become. If a Saiyan survives a near-death experience through extreme injury to the body, then, when the body recuperates, the Saiyan grows much stronger than they were previously, their body adapting to compensate for the damage dealt. Saiyans also possess a natural affinity to the manipulation of ki energy ( but no real control or finesse) allowing them to utilize flying and energy-based attacks with incredible ease as well as unlock great depths of power when needed, or lending energy to others in battle when it is actually necessary. Lost energy is regained by the Saiyan in a very short span of time, regardless of the amount of energy lost. They also posses increased speed, senses, and
appetites and while they don't have increased life spans they remain in their
youth and prime much longer.
** The greatest difference between kryptonians and saiyans is that kryptonians absorb solar energy and saiyans absorb energy emitted by large celestial bodies namely the moon. Since moon light is merely sunlight reflected off the moon you could say that saiyans can only absorb solar energy when it's filtered. While kryptonians permanently absorb energy saiyans can only absorb energy in special circumstances namely a full moon. Though both loose the abilities they gain from their energy source if it is removed.
** Then you have the Super Saiyan, the first Super Saiyan transformation occurs when a Saiyan who has reached a very high level of power, has a calm, pure heart (good or evil), and loses himself in a fit of rage. However, the transformation must be triggered in response to a great need. While physical change is not too drastic, the power output increase is colossal; the form is said to originally multiply the Saiyan's power by fifty times its normal amount. The transformation has a noticeable effect on the Saiyan's personality. Any Saiyan that has turned to the side of good initially becomes ruthless and overcome with rage, and any Saiyan that was already ruthless to begin with has his ruthlessness amplified. The most noticeable change is that the Saiyan's hair becomes golden in color and seems to stand on end, giving it a rising, flame-like appearance. This applies to all of the Saiyan's hair, including scalp hair, eyebrows, and (as it was revealed in GT) the fur on their tails and as Golden Great Apes. Natural eye color temporarily changes to a greenish-blue, muscle tone becomes more defined, and the skin tone (and clothing) becomes lighter mainly due to the energy and light output of the golden aura.
*** However the initial Super Saiyan transformation is just the body's natural floodgates opening the changes to the body done so it doesn't rip itself apart, excess energy is radiated from the body in the form of a pulsing, flame-like aura. Ascended Super Saiyan and Ultra Super Saiyan are merely advanced stages of Super Saiyan, achieved through intense training in the Super Saiyan form. It is a forced increase in the power output of the initial transformation, and thus is not in itself an actual transformation. There are subtly differences however the flowing, golden hair becomes slightly more rigid and pales in color. Muscle mass also heavily increases (depending on how far the saiyan pushes they can greatly reduce reduce mobility). The Full-Power Super Saiyan can basically be considered the zen state of the super saiyan because it is a state of mental and physical perfection of the core Super Saiyan state itself.
*** In the real world, athletes who train in aerobics for extensive periods of time experience heightened states of rest: heart and respiratory rate are much lower than that of a normal person. The Super Saiyan form follows a similar fundamental concept: by remaining transformed for extended periods of time, the Super Saiyan can desensitize themselves to the negative effects of the transformation. Their wild emotions are kept in check, resulting in a more strategical fighting style, and ki consumption is reduced to negligible amounts. Energy radiation is reduced in tandem, and the aura takes on a smoother, flow-like appearance. By mastering the transformation, the Super Saiyan is able to retain transformation almost subconsciously. In requiring less ki to contribute to maintaining the transformation itself, the maximum amount of ki can thus be focused into the attacks giving the user access to power greater than that of even an Ascended Super Saiyan.
** Vegeta notes the incredible side effects of the transformation by stating "They look like Super Saiyans... but I don't feel the energy...! It's like... it's their natural state...". The key to this state is energy conservation rather than boosted energy output. This results in a Saiyan who is able to fight longer and more efficiently than with the Ascended and Ultra stages of Super Saiyan, and can even remain transformed for days without powering down as long as they don't expend too much energy, essentially making the transformation the Saiyan's base form. Now that this has become the saiyan's base form super saiyan 2 is basically starting the process over again.
** Basically the requirements to achieve super saiyan and super saiyan 2 are the same however the power output is far greater, as speed, strength, and energy output all drastically increase. Super saiyan 3 could probably be considered super saiyan 2's Ascended level.
** Super saiyan 4 is the only level that actually requires an outside source of energy so it is most likely is what legend of the first super saiyan was talking about (especially considering old kai knew about it). Level for also requires that that saiyan absorbs solar energy reflected off an actual planetary body and not its satellite. Reflecting solar energy seems to change its frequency so the bigger the celestial body the bigger the change. Absorbing solar energy at this frequency fuses the humanoid Super Saiyan and the Great Ape. In this form, the Saiyan's hair color differs, the same goes for the tail and the body is covered in red fur. A Saiyan in this form also possesses a shadow trim around the eyes and over the eyelids that varies in color, such as crimson. The hair is lengthened, but not nearly as long as a Super Saiyan 3's. The aura in this form loses the arcs of electricity and replaces it with sparkles, and also becoming pure fire. Unlike the Super Saiyan 3's strain due to the utilization in ki, this form does not require as much energy consumption as Super Saiyan 3's, allowing the user to stay in the state at a much longer duration. It also appears that the form makes the individual larger in height and muscularity. The Super Saiyan 4 form even has enough power to break through a wish made with the Dragon Balls as it turned Kid Goku into an adult again.
*** True but when reflecting light you bend it and so the moonlight is not only less intense but perhaps a different wavelength than direct sunlight. Gives them a bit of 'juice' but not enough for miracles.
** that takes us back to the saiyan kryptonean ancestry discusion since moonlight
is merely reflected sun light
** since going super saiyan opens their bodies floodgates does this mean that they also have a weakness against magic
* I suspect all three, humans Saiyan and Kryptonians, have a common ancestry
** DBz might be for the current generation, but not to be technical but there was a generation of anime between Speed Racer and DBZ, even just counting what was popular here. Dragon Ball itself if nothing else. Highest on that list as far as popularity goes would be Voltron. but before that you had Giant Robo, Astro Boy, Macross, Capt. Harlock. Lupin III, Space Adventure Cobra... Unless you count the ones that got really changed like G-Force, ... I could go on with this list but that's just off the top of my head. and I didn't even mention girl's anime like Sailor Moon. I would go as far as each arc, but as for DBZ I would catch an ep a month (avj) and they would always be on the same fight, that's when cartoon network was playing an ep a day, every weekday. Unless you meant every day as in the story's days, that's different. ;) Otherwise I would say that's pretty accurate, both super strong, fast, can fly, shoot energy beams, etc. (both picked up a car as a child, of course Goku was 12 and picked up a car that turned into a pill, and Clark was 3 picking up a truck)... Also both are close to the last of their species.
** The main difference is that Clark wouldn't have to spend 17 episodes to power up before he throws a punch. So while Goku is transforming and building up his levels clark has already knocked him off planet for all the destruction he caused. ;) possibly into the sun, something even Clark would have trouble surviving. (but then that's not his style) of course that's assuming that the chi blasts don't count as magic but as fire or solar radiation. and wow if it's like solar (due to them both being a battery) it could make Clark stronger getting hit by that, but if it counts as magic then he would have to do a lot of super dodging. with how long it takes them to build up one of those blasts it would be an easy dodge for him.
** Another difference between the two is control, in DB they kill people off and destroy whole planets, and it's no biggie cause we can just wish everyone back. Where as Clark doesn't get that option so he must be much more careful. his attacks are usually far more controlled and precise. Just compare the laser fine point of the heat-vision combined with "microscopic vision" to the mountain leveling Kameha-meha wave.
** In some ways Goku is like a cross between Clark and the Hulk. Hulk also has no upper limit (in his natural hulk state, not counting the merged forms) the madder he gets, the stronger and tougher he gets.
** I make distinctions between differing forms of incredible power. Kryptonians are adapted to having powers and abilities beyond the threshold of ordinary Earthers. I reject as stupid beyond belief the Smallville portrayal of Kryptionian powers as being so simple you can flick them on and off like a light switch. The writers of that series never deal rationally with the implications of what it means to have thousands of times the strength and resiliance of ordinary people. You don't get that wiithout some physiological modifications to one's internal cell structure that would make taking the powers away a near fatal exiperience... But I also have a serious problem with DBZ and its notion of the Saiyans as having this unlimited capacity to generate vast amounts of energy that would be sufficient for destroying entire planets...
** All of this talk about mimickng kryptonian abilities has reminded me of a universal debate namely Superman Vs Goku. Since the 1930's Superman has set the tone for massively overpowered superhero's. Does anyone even know his complete catalog of powers? We're pretty sure at one time or another he's had every one listed in the Marvel Superheroes Ultimate Power Guide (TM). Seriously, how much kryptonite is there in the world? Apparently enough to give him a challenge for over half a century of cartoon and comic book appearances. Invulnerable, planet-crushing strength and faster than light with a few dozen odd powers thrown in, Superman is the one American Superhero every villain hates to have crash their party. Enter Goku. Japanese Anime's answer to the Man of Steel. Besides speed racer Dragon Ball Z is one of the first anime's watched by Americans thanks to CartoonNetwork. Consider: a character built on the assumption that there is no upper power limit *Ever*. Each week they would feature a new mindbogglingly devastating attack from the hero in question. How to challenge such a character? In the show DragonBall-Z, challenging Goku seems irrelevant compared to blowing up things in new and spectacular ways... but they try.
** When you think about it this is the perfect match because saiyans (children of Adam) seem to be the direct opposite of Kryptonians. Kryptonians store solar energy actively within their bio-cellular matrix as an energy pattern that is linked to their body's electromagnetic field. This permanently opens their chakra centers granting them their abilities. However it also leaves them vulnerable to magic. Saiyans however naturally possess exceptional strength and are quintessentially built for fighting. They are capable of easily lifting hundreds of times their own weight (Goku, before receiving Master Roshi's training, was able to lift Bulma's car in the first episode of Dragon Ball at the mere age of twelve). The naturally high gravity of Planet Vegeta develops their strength further making them incredibly strong at young ages. Even weaker Saiyans are capable of conquering most planets alone. Through tough training, Saiyans are able to reach new levels of power, and the more intense training and fights they go through, the stronger they become. If a Saiyan survives a near-death experience through extreme injury to the body, then, when the body recuperates, the Saiyan grows much stronger than they were previously, their body adapting to compensate for the damage dealt. Saiyans also possess a natural affinity to the manipulation of ki energy ( but no real control or finesse) allowing them to utilize flying and energy-based attacks with incredible ease as well as unlock great depths of power when needed, or lending energy to others in battle when it is actually necessary. Lost energy is regained by the Saiyan in a very short span of time, regardless of the amount of energy lost. They also posses increased speed, senses, and
appetites and while they don't have increased life spans they remain in their
youth and prime much longer.
** The greatest difference between kryptonians and saiyans is that kryptonians absorb solar energy and saiyans absorb energy emitted by large celestial bodies namely the moon. Since moon light is merely sunlight reflected off the moon you could say that saiyans can only absorb solar energy when it's filtered. While kryptonians permanently absorb energy saiyans can only absorb energy in special circumstances namely a full moon. Though both loose the abilities they gain from their energy source if it is removed.
** Then you have the Super Saiyan, the first Super Saiyan transformation occurs when a Saiyan who has reached a very high level of power, has a calm, pure heart (good or evil), and loses himself in a fit of rage. However, the transformation must be triggered in response to a great need. While physical change is not too drastic, the power output increase is colossal; the form is said to originally multiply the Saiyan's power by fifty times its normal amount. The transformation has a noticeable effect on the Saiyan's personality. Any Saiyan that has turned to the side of good initially becomes ruthless and overcome with rage, and any Saiyan that was already ruthless to begin with has his ruthlessness amplified. The most noticeable change is that the Saiyan's hair becomes golden in color and seems to stand on end, giving it a rising, flame-like appearance. This applies to all of the Saiyan's hair, including scalp hair, eyebrows, and (as it was revealed in GT) the fur on their tails and as Golden Great Apes. Natural eye color temporarily changes to a greenish-blue, muscle tone becomes more defined, and the skin tone (and clothing) becomes lighter mainly due to the energy and light output of the golden aura.
*** However the initial Super Saiyan transformation is just the body's natural floodgates opening the changes to the body done so it doesn't rip itself apart, excess energy is radiated from the body in the form of a pulsing, flame-like aura. Ascended Super Saiyan and Ultra Super Saiyan are merely advanced stages of Super Saiyan, achieved through intense training in the Super Saiyan form. It is a forced increase in the power output of the initial transformation, and thus is not in itself an actual transformation. There are subtly differences however the flowing, golden hair becomes slightly more rigid and pales in color. Muscle mass also heavily increases (depending on how far the saiyan pushes they can greatly reduce reduce mobility). The Full-Power Super Saiyan can basically be considered the zen state of the super saiyan because it is a state of mental and physical perfection of the core Super Saiyan state itself.
*** In the real world, athletes who train in aerobics for extensive periods of time experience heightened states of rest: heart and respiratory rate are much lower than that of a normal person. The Super Saiyan form follows a similar fundamental concept: by remaining transformed for extended periods of time, the Super Saiyan can desensitize themselves to the negative effects of the transformation. Their wild emotions are kept in check, resulting in a more strategical fighting style, and ki consumption is reduced to negligible amounts. Energy radiation is reduced in tandem, and the aura takes on a smoother, flow-like appearance. By mastering the transformation, the Super Saiyan is able to retain transformation almost subconsciously. In requiring less ki to contribute to maintaining the transformation itself, the maximum amount of ki can thus be focused into the attacks giving the user access to power greater than that of even an Ascended Super Saiyan.
** Vegeta notes the incredible side effects of the transformation by stating "They look like Super Saiyans... but I don't feel the energy...! It's like... it's their natural state...". The key to this state is energy conservation rather than boosted energy output. This results in a Saiyan who is able to fight longer and more efficiently than with the Ascended and Ultra stages of Super Saiyan, and can even remain transformed for days without powering down as long as they don't expend too much energy, essentially making the transformation the Saiyan's base form. Now that this has become the saiyan's base form super saiyan 2 is basically starting the process over again.
** Basically the requirements to achieve super saiyan and super saiyan 2 are the same however the power output is far greater, as speed, strength, and energy output all drastically increase. Super saiyan 3 could probably be considered super saiyan 2's Ascended level.
** Super saiyan 4 is the only level that actually requires an outside source of energy so it is most likely is what legend of the first super saiyan was talking about (especially considering old kai knew about it). Level for also requires that that saiyan absorbs solar energy reflected off an actual planetary body and not its satellite. Reflecting solar energy seems to change its frequency so the bigger the celestial body the bigger the change. Absorbing solar energy at this frequency fuses the humanoid Super Saiyan and the Great Ape. In this form, the Saiyan's hair color differs, the same goes for the tail and the body is covered in red fur. A Saiyan in this form also possesses a shadow trim around the eyes and over the eyelids that varies in color, such as crimson. The hair is lengthened, but not nearly as long as a Super Saiyan 3's. The aura in this form loses the arcs of electricity and replaces it with sparkles, and also becoming pure fire. Unlike the Super Saiyan 3's strain due to the utilization in ki, this form does not require as much energy consumption as Super Saiyan 3's, allowing the user to stay in the state at a much longer duration. It also appears that the form makes the individual larger in height and muscularity. The Super Saiyan 4 form even has enough power to break through a wish made with the Dragon Balls as it turned Kid Goku into an adult again.
*** True but when reflecting light you bend it and so the moonlight is not only less intense but perhaps a different wavelength than direct sunlight. Gives them a bit of 'juice' but not enough for miracles.
** that takes us back to the saiyan kryptonean ancestry discusion since moonlight
is merely reflected sun light
** since going super saiyan opens their bodies floodgates does this mean that they also have a weakness against magic
* I suspect all three, humans Saiyan and Kryptonians, have a common ancestry
** DBz might be for the current generation, but not to be technical but there was a generation of anime between Speed Racer and DBZ, even just counting what was popular here. Dragon Ball itself if nothing else. Highest on that list as far as popularity goes would be Voltron. but before that you had Giant Robo, Astro Boy, Macross, Capt. Harlock. Lupin III, Space Adventure Cobra... Unless you count the ones that got really changed like G-Force, ... I could go on with this list but that's just off the top of my head. and I didn't even mention girl's anime like Sailor Moon. I would go as far as each arc, but as for DBZ I would catch an ep a month (avj) and they would always be on the same fight, that's when cartoon network was playing an ep a day, every weekday. Unless you meant every day as in the story's days, that's different. ;) Otherwise I would say that's pretty accurate, both super strong, fast, can fly, shoot energy beams, etc. (both picked up a car as a child, of course Goku was 12 and picked up a car that turned into a pill, and Clark was 3 picking up a truck)... Also both are close to the last of their species.
** The main difference is that Clark wouldn't have to spend 17 episodes to power up before he throws a punch. So while Goku is transforming and building up his levels clark has already knocked him off planet for all the destruction he caused. ;) possibly into the sun, something even Clark would have trouble surviving. (but then that's not his style) of course that's assuming that the chi blasts don't count as magic but as fire or solar radiation. and wow if it's like solar (due to them both being a battery) it could make Clark stronger getting hit by that, but if it counts as magic then he would have to do a lot of super dodging. with how long it takes them to build up one of those blasts it would be an easy dodge for him.
** Another difference between the two is control, in DB they kill people off and destroy whole planets, and it's no biggie cause we can just wish everyone back. Where as Clark doesn't get that option so he must be much more careful. his attacks are usually far more controlled and precise. Just compare the laser fine point of the heat-vision combined with "microscopic vision" to the mountain leveling Kameha-meha wave.
** In some ways Goku is like a cross between Clark and the Hulk. Hulk also has no upper limit (in his natural hulk state, not counting the merged forms) the madder he gets, the stronger and tougher he gets.
** I make distinctions between differing forms of incredible power. Kryptonians are adapted to having powers and abilities beyond the threshold of ordinary Earthers. I reject as stupid beyond belief the Smallville portrayal of Kryptionian powers as being so simple you can flick them on and off like a light switch. The writers of that series never deal rationally with the implications of what it means to have thousands of times the strength and resiliance of ordinary people. You don't get that wiithout some physiological modifications to one's internal cell structure that would make taking the powers away a near fatal exiperience... But I also have a serious problem with DBZ and its notion of the Saiyans as having this unlimited capacity to generate vast amounts of energy that would be sufficient for destroying entire planets...
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[[WMG: The ''real'' reason Superboy-Prime is depressed]]
He knows that they're all fictional characters, and the only one else who knows it is SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker. Pretty depressing, isn't it?
He knows that they're all fictional characters, and the only one else who knows it is SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker. Pretty depressing, isn't it?
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[[WMG: Superboy-Prime is actually a well-adjusted individual since ''InfiniteCrisis''.]]
After Earth Prime was recreated in the event, he returned to our world and discovered that people called him a monster for what he did in the comics. [[HeelRealization Realizing they were right]], he went to a therapist and returned sane. We see him as Emoboy-Prime because people at DC Comics think he's a fictional character and insist to write him as that, with him humouring them to prevent worse things from happening while he searches where they live... Too bad that Mr. Mxyzptlk is preventing him from succeeding.
After Earth Prime was recreated in the event, he returned to our world and discovered that people called him a monster for what he did in the comics. [[HeelRealization Realizing they were right]], he went to a therapist and returned sane. We see him as Emoboy-Prime because people at DC Comics think he's a fictional character and insist to write him as that, with him humouring them to prevent worse things from happening while he searches where they live... Too bad that Mr. Mxyzptlk is preventing him from succeeding.
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** Broly might be a better Broly
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** Nice try, but it is kryptonian for "star". Unless they reconned that away as well.
[[WMG: Had Superboy-Prime [[CrisisOnInfiniteEarths entered the paradise dimension]], SupermanSecretIdentity would be the result.]]
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** Nice try, but it is kryptonian for "star". Unless they reconned retconned that away as well.
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*** Their closest star, Rao, is considered a god. [[FridgeBrilliance What does "El" mean?]]
[[WMG: Had Superboy-Prime [[CrisisOnInfiniteEarths not entered the paradise dimension]], SupermanSecretIdentity would be the result.]]
*** Their closest star, Rao, is considered a god. [[FridgeBrilliance What does "El" mean?]]
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[[WMG: Mr Mxyzptlk annoys Superman because he's trying to help out the series.]]
He appears to both add comedic elements and a challenge-back in the day, there were few who could hold up to Superman. Mxy thought that Supes [[InvincibleHero winning fights all the time]] would end up turning fans off, and cancel the Superman series(effectively killing off the DC Universe). So he decided to appear as a power-based superior to Superman, making him use his brain instead of brawn. This would help with making Superman more interesting and battles more tense. Being sent back by saying his name is Myxzptlk not wanting [[InvincibleVillian the opposite problem]]. Mxyzptlk remains goofy and light-heated because he doesn't like the DarkerAndEdgier state of the DCUniverse, and wants to remind the readers to have fun. Even his [[RealityWarper powers]] are a result of his NoFourthWall-he can see and interact with the universe's narrative structure, manipulating it for good stories. TheJoker could steal his powers because he has NoFourthWall as well, and can also see the narrative structure.
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**It sounds like a really good basis for a story. By the way, a version of this was used (metaphorically) in ''Film/SupermanReturns'' (more obvious in the book).
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* Where does that leave WonderWoman then?
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Thomas Wayne did die (so {{Batman}}'s Franchise/{{Batman}}'s angst is valid), but Martha escaped and went into witness protection, moving out to Kansas and marrying Jonathan Kent. Martha doesn't know Batman's identity (as seen in Identity Crisis) and even Superman may not even realize it.
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** Prime DID enter the paradise dimension; that's how he kept his past, present and future intact.
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[[WMG: Had Superboy-Prime [[CrisisOnInfiniteEarths entered the paradise dimension]], SupermanSecretIdentity would be the result.]]
The Elseworlds "Superman: Secret Identity" was based off the origin story of Superboy-Prime, after all. The new 52 multiverse, while having a number of realities re-created, aren't perfect copies(ie how PowerGirl [[JusticeSocietyOfAmerica discovered Earth-2 Power Girl]], even though its a reborn version of the Earth-2 she hailed from. Had Superboy-Prime not joined Alex Luthor Jr in his pocket dimension, he would've been erased and we would have the events of SupermanSecretIdentity. However Prime was outside of continuity, and as a result Earth-Prime 2.0 wasn't able to generate a new Kal-El, or even Krypton. Thus, the reborn Earth-Prime had no Krypton, and thus no super-powered beings. This is how Earth-Prime can be both RealLife and yet have Superboy-Prime: the original Earth-Prime did, but the current one we're in now ''doesn't.'' His parents and history still existing remains a ContinuitySnarl though, albiet a pretty mild one compared to the rest of the 52.
The Elseworlds "Superman: Secret Identity" was based off the origin story of Superboy-Prime, after all. The new 52 multiverse, while having a number of realities re-created, aren't perfect copies(ie how PowerGirl [[JusticeSocietyOfAmerica discovered Earth-2 Power Girl]], even though its a reborn version of the Earth-2 she hailed from. Had Superboy-Prime not joined Alex Luthor Jr in his pocket dimension, he would've been erased and we would have the events of SupermanSecretIdentity. However Prime was outside of continuity, and as a result Earth-Prime 2.0 wasn't able to generate a new Kal-El, or even Krypton. Thus, the reborn Earth-Prime had no Krypton, and thus no super-powered beings. This is how Earth-Prime can be both RealLife and yet have Superboy-Prime: the original Earth-Prime did, but the current one we're in now ''doesn't.'' His parents and history still existing remains a ContinuitySnarl though, albiet a pretty mild one compared to the rest of the 52.
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* Metal Cooler and Big Gete star: Brainiac and his chip. MesACrowd applies to both.
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[[WMG: 'El' is Kryptonian for 'Hope']]
* Supes shield symbol was established as a Kryptonian symbol a while ago, but it seems to go back and forth between meaning 'Hope', and being the El family crest. I propose that is in fact both: El is the Kryptonian word for Hope, and that symbol is the character used for it.
* Supes shield symbol was established as a Kryptonian symbol a while ago, but it seems to go back and forth between meaning 'Hope', and being the El family crest. I propose that is in fact both: El is the Kryptonian word for Hope, and that symbol is the character used for it.
