- In "Superman 3" Superman suffocates even though he doesn't in space.
- In "Superman 4" People talk in space.
- In "Superman 4" People survive in space.
- Of course, theoretically, every single person in the world was at that funeral.
- In Sandman: Endless Nights we see Despair talking to Rao (an Anthropomorphic Personification of the Kryptonian sun). She suggests:
Think about it, Rao. Wouldn't bringing life onto a planet that is inherently unstable add to the beauty of the life? If at any moment, it could explode...Truly it would only be perfectly beautiful, a perfect piece of art, if one single life-form escaped. To remember, to mourn, to despair.
- This experiment in total despair, of course, backfires spectacularly by leading to the creation of the greatest symbol of hope.
- This method of an endless setting herself up for destruction is the only way it appears that they can in any way "die", and Despair is one of only two endless that are confirmed to have "died".
- Kryptonians now get powers from the moon rather than the sun.
- Green Martians now come from a planet called Namek that's not even close to Earth.
- The various talking animals of New Earth are far more prevalent on Earth-7.
- The God of Earth-7 is far less impressive than his New Earth counterpart, but is totally a happenin' dude. As damage control, sufficiently advanced martial artists have taken over God duties from him, becoming the Supreme Kais.
- Krypton is now Vegeta, as is Dru-Zod.
- Jor-El and Kal-El are now Bardock and Kakkarot respectively.
- The Waynes were never rich in this world, and Bruce was orphaned at a young age under the name Yamcha. Without the deep-seated urge for vengeance and justice as a driving force, Yamcha merely loafs around the world being a bandit, a baseball player, whatever comes up.
- Frieza is the Mongul.
- Cell is Hank Henshaw, the Cyborg Superman.
- Buu is Doomsday.
- Broly might be a better Doomsday
- The Spectre never Fell, and so rather than punishment as God's Vengeance, he has the much more relaxing job of watering His earth-based employee's flowers as Mr. Popo.
- Garrison Slate, founder of S.T.A.R. Labs is Dr. Briefs; he never married on New Earth and thus Bulma doesn't have a parallel
- Lex Luthor was born several years earlier than usual, and is Dr. Gero.
- Destruction of the Endless isn't retired, and is quite active, resulting in the massive casualties and planetbusting. He is, however, still a nice guy, which is why none of the massive damage is ever permanent.
- Etrigan got attached to someone from another world, rather than Jason Blood, and never became a rhyming demon. He now goes by the name Dabura.
- Turles is Bizarro.
- With no Speed Force to point him in the heroic direction, Wally West bulked up and became an immensely popular action movie star and tournament fighter. Having redubbed himself "Hercule"/"Mr. Satan", West would not discover his selfless streak until the world turned to him, of all people, to destroy the monster Majin Buu/Doomsday. Though grossly outmatched, his charm and charisma twice proved useful in the ensuing war.
- Alternatively the speedforce is replaced by the "instant transmission dimension".
- The Deadzone is obviously the altered negative zone.
- "Earth-7" is already taken. Dragonball could take place in the Earth-7 of the Old Multiverse. All we know is that's where Dark Angel came from.
- As of the New 52, it's back on the market.
- ...So Kryptonians have tails?
- That universe's Gorilla Grod was a monkey instead, and he went back in time and really screwed up a plan to turn everyone into monekys, and just made all the Kryptonians more monkey like. Also Mr Satan isn't the Flash, HE'S BATMAN, who without the whole traumatic parental death thing, grew up to be a rich idiot for real who only finds his inner hero when he really needs to.
- Originally, Lois was bossy, competitive, and demanding, and in this universe, as Chi-Chi, she never grew out of that.
- Jimmy Olsen is Krillin, the best pal who has random spurts of great power but never surpasses Goku/Superman.
- And Vegeta must be Zod, a man from the hero's homeworld who is considered his rival yet is defeated time and time again. In this universe, he eventually mellows and joins the heroes.
- After reading the Dragonball Frige page It occured to me Piccolo is Batman, After a traumatic incident he grew up and went around the world alone, he like Batman depending on the continuity is a loner and Team Dad, he started out as rivals but eventually became friends with Superman/Son Goku.
- Piccolo not Yamcha is Batman.
- Ok if we are gonna use DC logic
- Goku: Superman
- Vegeta: General Zod
- Nappa: Non
- Piccolo: Lex Luthor (Unlike the Saiyans or Cell He wanted to rule the world rather than destroy it.)
- Gohan: Superboy/Connor Kent (or Jonathan Kent)
- Pan: Supergirl/Kara Zor-El
- Frieza: Darkseid
- Cell: Brainiac
- Bardock: Jor El
- Lord Slug: Mongul
- Bojack: Massacre
- Princess Snake: A depowered Maxima or Encantadora
- Hatchack: Brainiac
- Bio-Brolli: Doomsday
- Pilaf: The Golden Age Luthor or Pokolistan Zod
- Mai: Mercy Graves
- Shao: Either Otis or any one of Luthor's henchmen in Superman Returns
- Dr. Gero or Dr. Kochin: Cyborg-Superman
- Shula: Satanus
- Metal Cooler and Big Gete star: Brainiac and his chip. Me's a Crowd applies to both.
- I always considered the kryptonians as descendants of the truffles.
- All of this talk about mimickng kryptonian abilities has reminded me of a universal debate namely Superman Vs Goku. Since the 1930's Superman has set the tone for massively overpowered superhero's. Does anyone even know his complete catalog of powers? We're pretty sure at one time or another he's had every one listed in the Marvel Superheroes Ultimate Power Guide (TM). Seriously, how much kryptonite is there in the world? Apparently enough to give him a challenge for over half a century of cartoon and comic book appearances. Invulnerable, planet-crushing strength and faster than light with a few dozen odd powers thrown in, Superman is the one American Superhero every villain hates to have crash their party. Enter Goku. Japanese Anime's answer to the Man of Steel. Besides speed racer Dragon Ball Z is one of the first anime's watched by Americans thanks to Cartoon Network. Consider: a character built on the assumption that there is no upper power limit *Ever*. Each week they would feature a new mindbogglingly devastating attack from the hero in question. How to challenge such a character? In the show Dragon Ball Z, challenging Goku seems irrelevant compared to blowing up things in new and spectacular ways... but they try.
- When you think about it this is the perfect match because saiyans (children of Adam) seem to be the direct opposite of Kryptonians. Kryptonians store solar energy actively within their bio-cellular matrix as an energy pattern that is linked to their body's electromagnetic field. This permanently opens their chakra centers granting them their abilities. However it also leaves them vulnerable to magic. Saiyans however naturally possess exceptional strength and are quintessentially built for fighting. They are capable of easily lifting hundreds of times their own weight (Goku, before receiving Master Roshi's training, was able to lift Bulma's car in the first episode of Dragon Ball at the mere age of twelve). The naturally high gravity of Planet Vegeta develops their strength further making them incredibly strong at young ages. Even weaker Saiyans are capable of conquering most planets alone. Through tough training, Saiyans are able to reach new levels of power, and the more intense training and fights they go through, the stronger they become. If a Saiyan survives a near-death experience through extreme injury to the body, then, when the body recuperates, the Saiyan grows much stronger than they were previously, their body adapting to compensate for the damage dealt. Saiyans also possess a natural affinity to the manipulation of ki energy ( but no real control or finesse) allowing them to utilize flying and energy-based attacks with incredible ease as well as unlock great depths of power when needed, or lending energy to others in battle when it is actually necessary. Lost energy is regained by the Saiyan in a very short span of time, regardless of the amount of energy lost. They also posses increased speed, senses, and appetites and while they don't have increased life spans they remain in their youth and prime much longer.
- The greatest difference between kryptonians and saiyans is that kryptonians absorb solar energy and saiyans absorb energy emitted by large celestial bodies namely the moon. Since moon light is merely sunlight reflected off the moon you could say that saiyans can only absorb solar energy when it's filtered. While kryptonians permanently absorb energy saiyans can only absorb energy in special circumstances namely a full moon. Though both loose the abilities they gain from their energy source if it is removed.
- Then you have the Super Saiyan, the first Super Saiyan transformation occurs when a Saiyan who has reached a very high level of power, has a calm, pure heart (good or evil), and loses himself in a fit of rage. However, the transformation must be triggered in response to a great need. While physical change is not too drastic, the power output increase is colossal; the form is said to originally multiply the Saiyan's power by fifty times its normal amount. The transformation has a noticeable effect on the Saiyan's personality. Any Saiyan that has turned to the side of good initially becomes ruthless and overcome with rage, and any Saiyan that was already ruthless to begin with has his ruthlessness amplified. The most noticeable change is that the Saiyan's hair becomes golden in color and seems to stand on end, giving it a rising, flame-like appearance. This applies to all of the Saiyan's hair, including scalp hair, eyebrows, and (as it was revealed in GT) the fur on their tails and as Golden Great Apes. Natural eye color temporarily changes to a greenish-blue, muscle tone becomes more defined, and the skin tone (and clothing) becomes lighter mainly due to the energy and light output of the golden aura.
- However the initial Super Saiyan transformation is just the body's natural floodgates opening the changes to the body done so it doesn't rip itself apart, excess energy is radiated from the body in the form of a pulsing, flame-like aura. Ascended Super Saiyan and Ultra Super Saiyan are merely advanced stages of Super Saiyan, achieved through intense training in the Super Saiyan form. It is a forced increase in the power output of the initial transformation, and thus is not in itself an actual transformation. There are subtly differences however the flowing, golden hair becomes slightly more rigid and pales in color. Muscle mass also heavily increases (depending on how far the saiyan pushes they can greatly reduce reduce mobility). The Full-Power Super Saiyan can basically be considered the zen state of the super saiyan because it is a state of mental and physical perfection of the core Super Saiyan state itself.
- In the real world, athletes who train in aerobics for extensive periods of time experience heightened states of rest: heart and respiratory rate are much lower than that of a normal person. The Super Saiyan form follows a similar fundamental concept: by remaining transformed for extended periods of time, the Super Saiyan can desensitize themselves to the negative effects of the transformation. Their wild emotions are kept in check, resulting in a more strategical fighting style, and ki consumption is reduced to negligible amounts. Energy radiation is reduced in tandem, and the aura takes on a smoother, flow-like appearance. By mastering the transformation, the Super Saiyan is able to retain transformation almost subconsciously. In requiring less ki to contribute to maintaining the transformation itself, the maximum amount of ki can thus be focused into the attacks giving the user access to power greater than that of even an Ascended Super Saiyan.
- Vegeta notes the incredible side effects of the transformation by stating "They look like Super Saiyans... but I don't feel the energy...! It's like... it's their natural state...". The key to this state is energy conservation rather than boosted energy output. This results in a Saiyan who is able to fight longer and more efficiently than with the Ascended and Ultra stages of Super Saiyan, and can even remain transformed for days without powering down as long as they don't expend too much energy, essentially making the transformation the Saiyan's base form. Now that this has become the saiyan's base form super saiyan 2 is basically starting the process over again.
- Basically the requirements to achieve super saiyan and super saiyan 2 are the same however the power output is far greater, as speed, strength, and energy output all drastically increase. Super saiyan 3 could probably be considered super saiyan 2's Ascended level.
- Super saiyan 4 is the only level that actually requires an outside source of energy so it is most likely is what legend of the first super saiyan was talking about (especially considering old kai knew about it). Level for also requires that that saiyan absorbs solar energy reflected off an actual planetary body and not its satellite. Reflecting solar energy seems to change its frequency so the bigger the celestial body the bigger the change. Absorbing solar energy at this frequency fuses the humanoid Super Saiyan and the Great Ape. In this form, the Saiyan's hair color differs, the same goes for the tail and the body is covered in red fur. A Saiyan in this form also possesses a shadow trim around the eyes and over the eyelids that varies in color, such as crimson. The hair is lengthened, but not nearly as long as a Super Saiyan 3's. The aura in this form loses the arcs of electricity and replaces it with sparkles, and also becoming pure fire. Unlike the Super Saiyan 3's strain due to the utilization in ki, this form does not require as much energy consumption as Super Saiyan 3's, allowing the user to stay in the state at a much longer duration. It also appears that the form makes the individual larger in height and muscularity. The Super Saiyan 4 form even has enough power to break through a wish made with the Dragon Balls as it turned Kid Goku into an adult again.
- True but when reflecting light you bend it and so the moonlight is not only less intense but perhaps a different wavelength than direct sunlight. Gives them a bit of 'juice' but not enough for miracles.
- That takes us back to the Saiyan/Kryptonian ancestry discusion since moonlight is merely reflected sun light.
- Since going Super Saiyan opens their bodies floodgates does this mean that they also have a weakness against magic.
- I suspect all three, humans Saiyan and Kryptonians, have a common ancestry.
- DBZ might be for the current generation, but not to be technical but there was a generation of anime between Speed Racer and DBZ, even just counting what was popular here. Dragon Ball itself if nothing else. Highest on that list as far as popularity goes would be Voltron. but before that you had Giant Robo, Astro Boy, Macross, Capt. Harlock. Lupin III, Space Adventure Cobra... Unless you count the ones that got really changed like G-Force, ... I could go on with this list but that's just off the top of my head. and I didn't even mention girl's anime like Sailor Moon. I would go as far as each arc, but as for DBZ I would catch an ep a month (avj) and they would always be on the same fight, that's when cartoon network was playing an ep a day, every weekday. Unless you meant every day as in the story's days, that's different. ;) Otherwise I would say that's pretty accurate, both super strong, fast, can fly, shoot energy beams, etc. (both picked up a car as a child, of course Goku was 12 and picked up a car that turned into a pill, and Clark was 3 picking up a truck)... Also both are close to the last of their species.
- The main difference is that Clark wouldn't have to spend 17 episodes to power up before he throws a punch. So while Goku is transforming and building up his levels clark has already knocked him off planet for all the destruction he caused. ;) possibly into the sun, something even Clark would have trouble surviving. (but then that's not his style) of course that's assuming that the chi blasts don't count as magic but as fire or solar radiation. and wow if it's like solar (due to them both being a battery) it could make Clark stronger getting hit by that, but if it counts as magic then he would have to do a lot of super dodging. with how long it takes them to build up one of those blasts it would be an easy dodge for him.
- Another difference between the two is control, in DB they kill people off and destroy whole planets, and it's no biggie cause we can just wish everyone back. Where as Clark doesn't get that option so he must be much more careful. his attacks are usually far more controlled and precise. Just compare the laser fine point of the heat-vision combined with "microscopic vision" to the mountain leveling Kameha-meha wave.
- In some ways Goku is like a cross between Clark and the Hulk. Hulk also has no upper limit (in his natural hulk state, not counting the merged forms) the madder he gets, the stronger and tougher he gets.
- I make distinctions between differing forms of incredible power. Kryptonians are adapted to having powers and abilities beyond the threshold of ordinary Earthers. I reject as stupid beyond belief the Smallville portrayal of Kryptionian powers as being so simple you can flick them on and off like a light switch. The writers of that series never deal rationally with the implications of what it means to have thousands of times the strength and resiliance of ordinary people. You don't get that wiithout some physiological modifications to one's internal cell structure that would make taking the powers away a near fatal exiperience... But I also have a serious problem with DBZ and its notion of the Saiyans as having this unlimited capacity to generate vast amounts of energy that would be sufficient for destroying entire planets...
- This does raise the question of why Martha Wayne-Kent wouldn't take her grieving, shell-shocked ten year old son with her, though.
- Amnesia! It solves so many inconvenient plot problems in comic books.
- On the other hand, Clark and Bruce are around the same age, and Clark had been living with the Kents for a decade or so when Bruce's parents were killed...
- She was leading a double life as both Kent and Wayne, 'visiting' relatives. The the Waynes got shot and she had to cover her tracks. Even worse, she might not have been innocent in the shooting.
- Does that means that Pa Kent is sterile? Since Martha Wayne gave birth to Bruse, that means that both she and Thomas weren't. Oh and how do you explain that she looks nothing like other Martha? Bruse have her portrait in his mansion, what a detective is he if he can't see it? XD
- This does raise the question of why Martha Wayne-Kent wouldn't take her grieving, shell-shocked ten year old son with her, though.
- The Greek Gods are already real in the DCU, and explicitly supernatural in origin. But the Godwave that formed them (assuming it's still canon) could also have been responsible for giving the Kryptonians their powers.
- Oddly, however, this WMG is older than one might think. A Silver Age story involved Jimmy Olsen attempting to write a novel in which a time-traveling Superman actually was Hercules.
- This was actually semi-canon in the Silver Age, when Kryptonians were said to be the descendants of two stranded Human Alien space travelers named Kryp and Tonn. A classic Adam and Eve Plot. And all DC Universe humanoids, including Kryptonians and Earthlings, were once said to be the descendants of the Oans. In the Post-Crisis continuity, it's implied that the Kryptonians genetically modified themselves, which could concieveably include mingling the DNA of native solar-absorbing lifeforms with "alien" Earth-human genes to help them better adapt to their harsh new homeworld.
- The origin story of Doomsday is also consistent with this theory, as it too involved alien lifeforms being adapted to Krypton by a scientist with advanced knowledge of genetics. And they never did say what world the genetic material used to make Doomsday came from, just that it wasn't from Krypton... could it be Earth? And could other partly-modified clones have escaped into the wilderness to breed, becoming the ancestors of Superman?
- Supposedly, in an early draft, Jerry and Joe planned to have Kal-L come from the distant future, when the dying sun is about to engulf the Earth. Jor-L sent his progeny back in time millions of years, where he would thrive and live a full live among his distant ancestors. DC later used this as the twist ending of the Elseworld book, Red Son.
- So Lex Luthor really WAS meant to be Superman's ancestor?!
- Let's reverse the theory: The Fourth Kryptonian told us about the existance of a Kryptonian Empire sometime before the end of Krypton. Kryptonians colonized many planets and killed many species off. In One Year Later, Lex used a Kryptonian ship that belonged to admiral Dru-Zod, Zod's descendant. Said ship was buried on earth. Alura Zor-El calls humans "Proto-Kryptonians" during New Krypton. Logical conclusion: Humans are actually genetically modified kryptonians. Earth is a lost kryptonian colony that gradually lost their super-powers and technology. Said colony eventually sucumbed and changed. The Bible's "antedelluvians" are actually mutant kryptonians who were still quite strong until the dinosaurs died. This forced them to change into smaller, weaker forms. Some time after, they started to evolve until they assumed the form of their kryptonian heritage again. Meta-Human powers come from genetic remants of their former kryptonian abilities that eventually evoluted to not require the sun's power. Optionally, Kryptonians lost their fabled powers due to outside interferance of the Guardians of the Universe. There are records that they did this before with another race, when they turned a race of cosmic horrors called "The Burning" into the Martian race.
- Also, all characters from all mythologies and religions that shows powers similiar to Kryptonian (like Hercules, Samson, Thor, Goliath) or very long live span (Adam) are descedants of the Kryptonians, that for some reason has an acess to part of power hidden in their DNA. Same thing with all characters from Earth with Superman-like powers.
- Already Jossed, see "Greek Gods" WMG above.
- Also, all characters from all mythologies and religions that shows powers similiar to Kryptonian (like Hercules, Samson, Thor, Goliath) or very long live span (Adam) are descedants of the Kryptonians, that for some reason has an acess to part of power hidden in their DNA. Same thing with all characters from Earth with Superman-like powers.
- Maybe it's the other way around— humans are actually descended from Kryptonians. Krypton is, after all, said to be a much older planet— maybe they
terraformedkryptoformed Earth billions of years ago, and we're compatible because we come from their DNA. This is how the Wildstorm Universe's Kryptonian-equivalent Kherubim did it, and they are an Alternate Universe of the DCU... - Alternately, Kryptonians are not related to humans, but one of Superman's undiscovered powers is genetic recombination— he unconsciously altered his own reproductive DNA to be human-compatible.
- This might explain why sometimes Earth Gods get upset/nervous when Superman or Supergirl mention Rao...
- Everyone has superpowers.
- The supervillains only do good deeds, and the superheroes only punish the villains by taking them to amusement parks.
- Bizarro Batman is always cheerful.
- The whole planet has a childlike innocence.
- Bizarro Ambush Bug is intelligent and erudite.
- That is massively depressing...
- On the upside (for us) the Bizarro Beetles SUCK, musically.
- That's probably because they're literally beetles. The Bizarros built tiny instruments for them and everything.
- That's adorable.
- Also consider that in one story, the Bizarros tried to maximize the casualties from a meteor strike.
- Wouldn't which one was the "Real" Universe be relative? As in, which ever one you're on, is the real one for you? Hence, to a person on Bizzaro!Earth, they'd be the real ones. Sure, maybe they might have been the ORIGINAL ones, but that's not the same as the "Real" one's right?
- Oh god... That makes sense... But it doesn't explain why he lacks some of his dickishness in animated series.
- He didn't spend time with them in S:TAS?
- Impossible. Clark Kent wears glasses. If Clark Kent took off his glasses, he couldn't see. Superman doesn't wear glasses. Superman can see. Therefore, Clark Kent is not Superman.
- Maybe he wears contacts.
- Or maybe they just happen to look alike. Clark maybe a bumbling oaf, but he is an investigative journalist. Superman is an alien from a hyper-advanced world. Give them some credit. The guise of WEARING GLASSES won't fool anyone, least of all these two.
- If he wore contacts then he wouldn't be able to use his heat vision.
- Unless he had some sort of heat-vision-proof glass/plastic. Maybe something leftover from Krypton?
- In a story his glasses are made with kryptonian crystals. Not sure if it is still canon.
- This is preposterous. Superman is, well, super. He is like some golden god made flesh. Not to mention all the messiah parallels. A serious Crystal Dragon Jesus. He doesn't even wear a mask! What does Clark Kent look like, anyway? I mean, I read his articles all the time but it is not like they include a photo.
- Maybe he wears contacts.
- Also, Superman never lies. If he was pretending to be a mild-mannered reporter, he would all but have to lie. The guy was brutally honest enough to tell a fully clothed Lois Lane that he was using his x-ray vision to look at her underwear!
- Next you'll all be saying that Bruce Wayne is the Batman...
- Now that you mention it...
- No no no, see the Batman WMG page. Batman is everyone but Bruce Wayne.
- Riiiight. If Superman is Clark Kent and Batman is Bruce Wayne who is Robin? Dick Grayson? And Supergirl is brunette, mild-mannered Linda Danvers? And Batgirl is shy librarian Barbara Gordon? That is nonsense!
- Jossed. A few minutes ago, Stephen Colbert took off his glasses and gave himself a coif, and he looked exactly like Superman. (No, seriously, he does. It's uncanny.◊ Seen at 1:45.)
- This is insane. Why would Superman, who is nearly a god, spend 40 hours a week playing reporter when he could spend all that time catching bad guys, deposing evil dictators, etc.? The very idea that Superman has a secret identity is just ridiculous.
- Superman and Clark Kent have too been seen in the same place at the same time. Definitely not with the help of a certain shapeshifting Martian friend of his. Or some alien goo that happens to take the form of Supergirl. Now Clark Kent and Batman...
- And Bruce Wayne is Superman. I mean, if you had Superman's powers, and were making a secret identity for yourself, wouldn't you make yourself rich and powerful and live in a mansion and date tons of beautiful women?
- Jossed. I mean, look at those glasses! Superman doesn't wear glasses!
- A mild-mannered reporter who keeps losing interviews to that Lane girl... is Superman? He doesn't even have a coiff! My money's on Stephen Colbert. I have heard that Clark's been seen sneaking out at night in blue and red pajamas, but there hasn't been any picture evidence, and it's only hearsay that he caught a steel girder once with his bare hands. With that evidence, he sounds a lot like Spider-Man. Maybe he and Stephen just switch off patrol areas to have an alibi.
- Nope, Colbert is in the Marvel Universe. He's appeared in their comics and has Captain America's shield, for Cthulhu's sake!
- What better way for them to maintain alibi than to patrol in each others' universes?
- Nope, Colbert is in the Marvel Universe. He's appeared in their comics and has Captain America's shield, for Cthulhu's sake!
- There's no real reason it should make you bulletproof, either. Just go with it.
- Maybe Kryptonians have the same mechanism that allows those other species to fly, but it's less efficient and requires more energy. Thus, on sun-deprived Krypton, their "flying cells" were just too weak, they get supercharged under a brighter sun...
- Perhaps he pretends he can fly by jumping dramatically.
- No, because he actually hovers, and accelerates.
- He can stand on and jump on air.
- No, because he actually hovers, and accelerates.
- Maybe he stole an antigravity belt from Luthor?
- He's just always using his Legion of Super-Heroes Flight Ring.
- Psionic power. Self-telekinesis. The comics are starting to hint at this. Hey, it worked for Connor Kent! (RIP)
- If by "starting" you mean "for the last two decades". Longer, if you count Gladiator, a Superman Captain Ersatz from the Marvel Universe.
- Since the Post-Crisis Superman can absorb virtually the entire EM spectrum (that's how his Super-Senses work) and convert it to other forms of energy such as heat vision and strength, he may also be able to convert it directly into kinetic energy (motion).
- Maybe his body is the biological version of one of these...
- In most continuities, Krypton has extremely high gravity, sometimes even described as having a core of degenerate matter, yet the inhabitants are human-shaped bipeds, an extremely inefficient form for an extreme high-G world. Perhaps, just as they adapted to the lack of energy by absorbing sunlight, they also adapted to the gravity by developing a means of manipulating graviton particles, this allowing them partial resistance to the crushing G. Deprived of this environmental stress, the Earth-raised Clark was able to learn to use this quality in different ways, such as creating an imbalance in the local gravitational field that makes him "fall" in directions other than straight down.
- He stays still, and moves the planet under him.
- He has the invisible Martian Manhunter carry him everywhere, the lazy oaf...
- Rocket farts.
- Yes. If his supercharged cells fart in the same direction at the same time he can fly.
- The implications this bears for pink kryptonite are... odd. And explain why exactly he's always palling around with Batman.
- He's faking it with Lois, possibly because, being raised in a rural setting with possible memories of "perfect" Krypton, he's homophobic.
- Or he's just Bi...
- In fact, pink kryptonite was only shown in an alternate timeline, so we don't actually need to explain that at all. He's never been affected by it in continuity. Besides, it's always possible that he's only faking it with the green, and the other colors do really affect him.
- He's faking it with Lois, possibly because, being raised in a rural setting with possible memories of "perfect" Krypton, he's homophobic.
- This would explain how he could survive being shot at point blank range in the back with two kryptonite bullets and survive.
- It would also explain how no matter how much Kryptonite he's exposed to it always seems to have the same effects...but unfortunately, he's used it on other Kryptonians, who obviously wouldn't be in on the ruse.
- See "Repeated Exposure" WMG below.
- When Superman first appeared in 1938, he was very strong, very durable, very fast, and had amazing sensory abilities, but couldn't fly or shoot Eye Beams. After the The K-Metal from Krypton was written but not published two years later, he gradually started becoming more powerful. Leaping tall buildings gave way to flight, keen senses became X-Ray vision, and his strength and durability slowly increased. After Kryptonite was officially introduced to the comics in 1949, his Power Creep accelerated. The more Kryptonite he encountered, the more powerful he became, eventually becoming able to fly faster than light, break the time barrier, and move planets around by brute force.
- In 1970, a storyline eliminated all Kryptonite on Earth. Superman's powers were reduced roughly by half, ostensibly because of an animated doppleganger — but really because the same explosion also purged much of the effects of K radiation from his cells. As Kryptonite continued to fall to Earth, his power levels recovered, and eventually surpassed their pre-'70 levels.
- After the Continuity Reboot caused by the Crisis on Infinite Earths, his power levels dropped again — but slowly climbed again as he continued to encounter Kryptonite.
- Both the 1959 and 2004 versions of Supergirl had considerable exposure to Kryptonite prior to arriving on Earth. Each arrived on Earth with her power level roughly commensurate with Kal-El's then-current abilities, despite not having had a lifetime of exposure to absorb "yellow sun radiation" like her cousin.
- Variation: Kryptonians don't gain their powers from Earth's yellow sun. They gain it from Kryptonite. Baby Kal-El caught enough radiation when his spaceship rocketed away from the exploding planet to give him the comparatively modest abilities of his early career.
- That actually could work. Perhaps the reason Kryptonite hurts them is because it's over charging them, to the point where their energy absorbtion abilities have to kick into over drive, causing the effects of 'Kryptonite poisoning'. Like a 60W lightbulb in a 250W socket.
- This may actually be supported by the unpublished K Metal story by Jerry Siegel. Kryptonite is depicted as making humans temporarily stronger (reminiscent of the Green Rocks from Smallville), and Superman comments that he drew strength from the stuff until "the connection was broken" upon his leaving Krypton, and now it weakens him. Weird, but the argument could be made that K-Metal still strengthens expatriated Kryptonians, albeit after some sort of "allergic reaction" caused by prolonged lack of exposure.
- It sounds like a really good basis for a story. By the way, a version of this was used (metaphorically) in Superman Returns (more obvious in the book).
- And perhaps into other forms of energy such as kinetic. See the Flight WMG above.
- The above explains his super breath; it's not physically possible to toss cars down the street with a mere two lungfulls of air no matter how forcefully exhaled. He's adding to the kinetic energy of the air to give it more "push". His super-cold breath works because he absorbs heat from the same air.
- It logically follows that if someone were to synthesize violet sunlight, and expose a Kryptonian, Argonian, or Daxamite to it, they would become more powerful than Dream, capable of bending reality with mere thought.
- Incidentally, how do green suns fit in? Like red ones, they do not provide superpowers.
- They give him the power of positive thinking.
- Incidentally, how do green suns fit in? Like red ones, they do not provide superpowers.
- The Post-Crisis Byrne reboot explanation was that red suns simply put out less energy than yellow ones— the red sunlight by itself didn't weaken him at all, it just wasn't enough to strengthen Kryptonians to Superman-levels (in fact one storyline of that era had him time-travel to Krypton and still had his powers). The recent "red sunlight weakness" is a Silver Age element that has crept back in thanks to those Running the Asylum, and Silver Age stuff doesn't have to make sense. But, if sense you must have, maybe the presence of the specific frequencies of light that Kryptonian bodies are evolved for "resets" the metabolism, including the solar energy absorbtion/conversion, to its basline levels. The body becomes keyed to Kryptonian conditions so as to better absorb the exact same type of energy present in the environment that it's best adapted to. In other words, it fools his body into "thinking" it's back on Krypton. Or maybe...
- In Lois & Clark, Superman's vulnerability to magic was depicted as susceptibility to hypnosis. Once he believed he could fight off the influence, he did so.
- That's actually a plot point in the recent Superman arc "Superman and the Legion of Superheroes". Legion rejects from Earth get pissed off, claimed the Legion lied about Superman and had the Federation hunt the Legion down. Supes has to go to the future to help out.
- That's been canon at least twice, under the term "tactile telekinesis" (once as an explanation of Clark's powers and once as the only superpower of the 1990s Superboy, to differentiate him from Clark), and it never stuck.
- If he can fly, he wouldn't need solid ground to stand on. Just increase his thrust to match the object's weight. And whether he leaves handprints or not varies greatly Depending on the Writer.
- Um, he can see though clothing. And lead is also an effective block for X-Rays. Besides, one or two of the recent canons had him not actually emitting anything at all to see through things, it was just called "x-ray" vision as a verbal shorthand or nickname given by Jimmy Olsen. No actual rays of any kind were produced. The speculation from a pre-insane Emil Hamilton was that Supes was sensitive to the weak electromagnetic emissions of cosmic radiation particles (or neutrinos, I forget which) passing through normal matter, and his brain simply interpreted that input visually.
- I meant why it could be precise enough to not go through clothing at the same time as looking through a brick wall, and I don't consider "speculation by other characters" (emphasis mine) to be canon unless it's confirmed by a reliable source. The "not actually emitted anything at all" bit, though, Josses this acceptably.
- The fact that he can use it selectively argues against it being either Kryptonite or X-Rays. And yes, lab tests done by Dr. Hamilton did confirm the no-emissions thing, so it's not just speculation. (Of course that was several Cosmic Retcons ago and the writers might have changed his powers yet again).
- I meant why it could be precise enough to not go through clothing at the same time as looking through a brick wall, and I don't consider "speculation by other characters" (emphasis mine) to be canon unless it's confirmed by a reliable source. The "not actually emitted anything at all" bit, though, Josses this acceptably.
- Explosion into a new batch of kryptonite, of course.
- It's been done. Sucked into the Phantom Zone?
- Plus, New Krypton is in the unstable L3 point, so maybe it'll just fall into the sun.
- You do realize that it is unstable on an astronomic timescale. Waiting for something to happen would take hundreds of thousands to millions of years.
- Unless one of their or Superman's many, many enemies speeds up that timetable.
- Or maybe The Rocky Horror Picture Show becomes popular there, they all take up doing the Time Warp, the whole population jump to the left at the same time with Kryptonian strength, the planet's mass shifts sideways, and...
- Well we know that come May, there will be a war between New Krypton and Earth. Presumably, much of the drama of this event will be Superman having to choose between his adopted home or his own people. Eventually he will choose Earth and rather than kill the Kryptonians he will simply shrink them and send them back to Kandor.
- Confirmed.
- This is hardly original with Birthright, it's an idea that's been explored since the early Bronze Age of comics (late 60s/early 70s at least)— that "Clark" and "Superman" are both aspects of "Kal-El", the "real" identity.
- This also provides a nicely cynical explanation for how he can stay such a boyscout despite the universe continually going to hell. All the frustration is shunted into Lex and makes him evil enough to keep up with the general crapsackification of the DCU. Bravo.
- This has to be the most awesome WMG I've ever heard.
- Objection. The God-Emperor's powers are known to be mostly psionic in nature, while Superman's powers are of a physical kind. If anything, the God-Emperor is Superman's father, Jor-El, and Superman is one of the lost Primarchs who were sent through the Warp lost in time and space he landed on Terra in the distant past with powers and abilities above mankind. As for his brother Primarches the same thing happened, except they landed on planets in the present.
- Objection overruled. The Emperor can actually control the aging rate of his own cells, which is as physical as it gets. Telekinesis is a psionic power, after all. The Primarchs were also created from the Emperor's own DNA, so their powers all come from him anyway.
- That makes perfect sense. Also, repeated, repeated (to the tune of dozens of times) evidence that actually, Superman can't be everywhere at once, no matter how many supervillains and alien overlords turn up in the solar system, would naturally spur people into having some defenses other than "let's wait for Superman". After all, the U.S. military has far more weapons than they would ever need to use — just in case. Also, this might be a radical idea, but — surprise! — This is not the Marvel Universe. Maybe the citizens of the DC earth might...*gasp*...feel obligated to help Superman out by discovering the means to take care of some of their problems by themselves?
- This would be why Jor-El felt that sending his son to Earth would help humanity to be the great people they wished to be.
- That makes perfect sense. Also, repeated, repeated (to the tune of dozens of times) evidence that actually, Superman can't be everywhere at once, no matter how many supervillains and alien overlords turn up in the solar system, would naturally spur people into having some defenses other than "let's wait for Superman". After all, the U.S. military has far more weapons than they would ever need to use — just in case. Also, this might be a radical idea, but — surprise! — This is not the Marvel Universe. Maybe the citizens of the DC earth might...*gasp*...feel obligated to help Superman out by discovering the means to take care of some of their problems by themselves?
- This actually is the motive for minor 1990s villains Obsession and Encantadora.
- I am pretty sure that this genuinely happened to Green Arrow or someone at his level recently.
- Canon. See: Doomsday.
- Did Doomsday actually kill him? I know he beat him quite close to it. I may be just misremembering, but how did he get into the regen-chamber they used to bring him back?
- Wasn't his body stolen... a few times? It was stolen twice in animated movie. By Luthor and by Superman's robot.
- Did Doomsday actually kill him? I know he beat him quite close to it. I may be just misremembering, but how did he get into the regen-chamber they used to bring him back?
- Not quite since he spent the first 2000 years doing nothing, so then the Biblical miracles (the "good" phase) should start only by 2000 BC not 4000 BC as you imply. Other than the numbers, your interpretation of Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow? doesn't seem wrong at all.
- What?
- Where does that leave Wonder Woman then?
- Or, it could be that Krypton was quite sexist, with men getting their own names (Jor-El, Zor-El, Kal-El) and women getting the full name of their fathers (Kara Zor-El) and then later their husbands (Lara Jor-El). Superman's always been a bit of a forward thinker so maybe he thought that Cir-El should have her own name.
- Ah, but you seem to be forgetting that "Lex" is short for "Alexander"! Thus making his initials AL and not LL!
- Unless lois is short for aloysious....
- I knew it - the Kryptonians are Eternals!
However, Plot Immunity is an actual physical force that is the only thing that can stymie said beings, so someone with access to both the main DC universe and the Marvel 616 universe (possibly all the myriad Reed Richardses of the alternate Marvel universes?) has sprung an emergency plan to store the souls of all at-risk happy couples in the bodies of the one happy couple armed with eternally impenetrable Plot Immunity, in order to keep them intact while still fooling the omniscient beings into thinking their plans have succeeded by showing how miserable the Soulless Shells of all the couples other than Clark and Lois now are.
- Taking this a little further: When the DCU relaunches in September, Clark and Lois will no longer be together, meaning all the couples will get another shot.
- I would love to see that.
- Sorry, "incredibly implausible and out of character"? I'd like to point out that Superman can be a giant dick when it doesn't kill anyone and is legal (see what happened to the Elite, for an example), and Lex clearly deserves this. And if he gets Superboy-Prime to help, they may even have She-Hulk to represent them in the court.
- It is entirely plausible that the race of Kryptonians evolved from birds rather than apes. If this turns out to be true, then technically...
- Also, Supergirl (1984) takes place during Superman's five-year absense. The reason why the radio reports Superman as on a "peace mission" is because they needed to come up with a plausible reason for his disappearance for fear of the public reaction. It's just that this story falls apart quickly when the officials are pressed for specifics, and this leads to events that allow Lois to write her Pulitzer-winning article.
- In fact, in the Silver Age, she was the only person who suspected he was Clark Kent, and no one believed her (okay, Lana Lang also suspected). So, no. It is everybody else who has prosopagnosia.
He runs really fast.
He's been shot and still remains.
He jumps really high.
He kinda came here not of his own volition.
And just as a goofy slightly racist one. He get's messed up around dat Kryptonite
- Yeah, that's the only slightly racist part of all that.
- They are both bad for humans to be exposed to, Kryptonite just takes longer.
- Supes shield symbol was established as a Kryptonian symbol a while ago, but it seems to go back and forth between meaning 'Hope', and being the El family crest. I propose that is in fact both: El is the Kryptonian word for Hope, and that symbol is the character used for it.
- Nice try, but it is kryptonian for "star". Unless they retconned that away as well.
- Their closest star, Rao, is considered a god. What does "El" mean?
- Nice try, but it is kryptonian for "star". Unless they retconned that away as well.
- Prime DID enter the paradise dimension; that's how he kept his past, present and future intact.
- Superboy Prime, is that you?
- No, but I think I've seen him at my therapist. I mean, this guy spoke with a Kansas accent and looked like Christopher Reeve with a ton of muscles...
- What about Ambush Bug?
The house of El are the ones who still yearn for redemption, and thus they kept the El (Meaning of God) in their name, over time the symbol for the house of El came to mean hope, because they were the only Kryptonians that hoped for redemption.
This is why superman is stronger than other Kyptonians, he is the culmination of the house of El, the one Kryptonian who was finally able to achieve redemption. and as a result of this he begins to regain his angelic powers. (Same goes for Kara).
Every supervillain that Superman fights is a challenge from god (Ala Job) to see if he will abandon his purpose, to see if he will give up, and decide that maybe human lives just aren't worth saving, but he never does, and every-time he shows this he gains a bit more of his angelic powers.
- Krypton is Earth. The process of nuclear fusion causes the sun to lose mass and cause the planets to orbit farther away, so it's not unreasonable to assume that, by the time it has turned into a red giant, Earth's atmospheric composition has changed, and its orbit has enlarged enough to be spared from destruction.
- Kryptonians are humans. Why else would they be physically indistinguishable from humans, as well as capable to generate fertile offspring when mating with humans?
- Superpowers are the result of genetic modification. Why would any organism have genes for dormant characteristics, that are not activated unless that organism is transferred to a planet with a different atmosphere, lit by a star of a different color? There is no possible mechanism for those genes to evolve naturally, because they would not offer any survival advantage. The answer is that those genes were inserted artificially, as a reward for reaching a specific level of technological development. "Here are some genes that will make you a physical god. But in order to activate them, you must find out how to travel to a place with this specific atmosphere, lit by a star of this specific color." Sounds like a pretty good incentive.
Three individuals in Superman's supporting cast are Time-Lord affected humans (ala River Song)
A variation on the classic "X is a Time Lord" WMG.- It began when the Doctor rescued a couple from a Dalek by taking them aboard the TARDIS. However, he realized that they weren't suitable Companions (in fact, he learned, to his disgust, that the Dalek problem had started when the man had tried experimenting on the Dalek, trying to find the secret of its abilities) and summarily kicked them off the TARDIS. However, the TARDIS had had just enough effect on the woman's unborn child to give him some of the Doctor's characteristics. Like the Doctor, he is quite brilliant and has a talent for leadership and dealing with odd technology. However, he also shares the Doctor's megalomania (only turned up even higher).
- Moving on, the Doctor rescued a woman from Sontarans. While they were traveling over her home town, viewing the sights, the woman pointed out a soldier as her husband and asked to be put down. The Doctor, remembering the Brigadier, thought it might be amusing to drop in for a moment. However, the soldier proved hostile, making numerous accusations regarding the Doctor's being an alien and paying no attention to his wife's attempts to explain the situation. Some time after the Doctor left again, the woman gave birth to a girl. The girl, as she got older, exhibited the Doctor's curiosity and tendency to attract odd situations. She also tends to do a lot of running.
- Meanwhile, the Doctor had moved on, meeting an archaeologist and his bride as they dug up an alien artifact. The Doctor liked them enough that he took them on a number of adventures. However, a horrific incident occurred. The husband died and his wife was injured and traumatized enough that she lapsed into a Angst/physical coma just after giving birth. The Doctor, fearing for the safety of mother and child and experiencing the standard guilt, wiped her memories and replaced them with normal scenes, including her being informed that her husband had gone M.I.A. Her son grew into an adventurous young man sharing the Doctor's tendency to explore everything and to attract bizarre phenomena. He also has the Doctor's Charm Person tendencies, which means most non-villains like him or at least don't hate him. These experiences are also partly the reason why he wanted to regenerate as a ginger — the boy was born with a few wisps of red hair, and he wants a memento of him and his parents.
- At some point, the Doctor investigates a bizarre sequence of events in an Earth city called Metropolis and is startled to find out that all three ended up there.
In JLA/Avengers, the reason Superman of all people isn't "worthy" to wield Thor's hammer without special permission from Odin is that one of Thor's duties is to be willing and able to wage war, and Superman will never kill. Captain America and Wonder Woman don't have this problem. It says something pretty nice about Supes, actually.
The "men have their father's surname; women have their father's name" rule was probably a custom typical of the continent of Lurvan, where Kryptonopolis (Superman's birthplace), Argo (Supergirl's birthplace), Kandor... were situated.
- Lyla is Lyla Ler-Rol. She's a film actress and uses her stage name.
- Sort of confirmed: With the break of the Source Wall he shows up in Shazam before playing a role in Dark Nights: Death Metal, though is in classic form.