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** Also consider the fact that both Ageha and 07 have [[YouGottaHaveBlueHair blue hair]]...hair... But where does Miroku's red come from? It would explain the twins' massive PSI power, though.
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* What we know of Mithra's psychic abilities are they are some kind of foresight and they seem to manifest as [[http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/108/15/ balls of fire]]. These resemble HitodamaLight, the Japanese equivalent of will o' wisps and are sometimes said to be souls of the dead. Now check out what happened to the [[http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/121/14/ people captured by the angel tavoo]]. There are some differences in appearance between the two things but that could be a simple case of the "souls" not being used by Bonfire yet thus the form is different. There is precedent for the use of souls/life essence by Miroku during his fight against Grana. Finally, [[spoiler: it looks like Mithra has been brought up as a threat [[http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/124/07/ in chapter 124.]]]]
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* What we know of Mithra's psychic abilities are they are some kind of foresight and they seem to manifest as [[http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/108/15/ balls of fire]].fire. These resemble HitodamaLight, the Japanese equivalent of will o' wisps and are sometimes said to be souls of the dead. Now check out what happened to the [[http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/121/14/ people captured by the angel tavoo]].tavoo. There are some differences in appearance between the two things but that could be a simple case of the "souls" not being used by Bonfire yet thus the form is different. There is precedent for the use of souls/life essence by Miroku during his fight against Grana. Finally, [[spoiler: it looks like Mithra has been brought up as a threat [[http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/124/07/ in [in chapter 124.]]]]]]
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* As Misura mentions [[http://keishou.net/manga/Psyren/131/4 here]], due to the fights there is an immense amount of psi energy in the area. Which is forming a field. And what was recently mentioned that would probably benefit from this Psi? [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/psyren/v15/c125/17.html The "Iron Cauldron"]]. The next step of the Genesis plan will be activated at the end of this arc no matter who wins. And it is implied that Mithra doesn't care if the Star Commanders survive or not.
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* As Misura mentions [[http://keishou.net/manga/Psyren/131/4 here]], due to the fights there is an immense amount of psi energy in the area. Which is forming a field. And what was recently mentioned that would probably benefit from this Psi? [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/psyren/v15/c125/17.html The "Iron Cauldron"]].Cauldron". The next step of the Genesis plan will be activated at the end of this arc no matter who wins. And it is implied that Mithra doesn't care if the Star Commanders survive or not.
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* What we know of Mithra's psychic abilities are they are some kind of foresight and they seem to manifest as [[http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/108/15/ balls of fire]]. These resemble [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitodama Hitodama]], {{Hitodama}}, the Japanese equivalent of will o' wisps and are sometimes said to be souls of the dead. Now check out what happened to the [[http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/121/14/ people captured by the angel tavoo]]. There are some differences in appearance between the two things but that could be a simple case of the "souls" not being used by Bonfire yet thus the form is different. There is precedent for the use of souls/life essence by Miroku during his fight against Grana. Finally, [[spoiler: it looks like Mithra has been brought up as a threat [[http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/124/07/ in chapter 124.]]]]
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[[WMG:Yo-Yo is Kabuto's [[{{Bleach}} zanpakuto spirit]]]]
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* Out of our main Drifters, Oboro is the only one which we have no history on other than being a TV star in recent years. He is around the right age to have been an experiment and the ease he wields his psychic abilties seems like they are half-remembered. We have seen there are ways for psychicers to have their powers deactivated via PAC devices and that there are possible mental side effects. What [[{{Duckling}} This Troper]] is speculating is after the Grigori scientists lost interest in experiment 04 is he was then deactivated using a PAC device which lead to amnesia. Somehow he was released but closely monitored and eventually became an actor. Being exposed to the Psyren atmosphere reactivated his psy abilties but they are nowhere near the strength they were.
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* It's [[DukeNukem Duke]]. After Duke Nukem Forever got axed, he needed a job somewhere.
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Junas]]. If not, he was just a natural Psychicer all along.
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[[WMG: Bonfire will use some of the captives from [=ROOT=] as the [[MetaphysicalFuel fuel]] [[HumanResources component]] of her/his psychic powers.]]
* What we know of Bonfire's psychic abilities are they are some kind of foresight and they seem to manifest as [[http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/108/15/ balls of fire]]. These resemble [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitodama Hitodama]], the Japanese equivalent of will o' wisps and are sometimes said to be souls of the dead. Now check out what happened to the [[http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/121/14/ people captured by the angel tavoo]]. There are some differences in appearance between the two things but that could be a simple case of the "souls" not being used by Bonfire yet thus the form is different. There is precedent for the use of souls/life essence by Miroku during his fight against Grana. Finally, [[spoiler: it looks like Bonfire has been brought up as a threat [[http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/124/07/ in chapter 124.]]]]
* What we know of Bonfire's psychic abilities are they are some kind of foresight and they seem to manifest as [[http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/108/15/ balls of fire]]. These resemble [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitodama Hitodama]], the Japanese equivalent of will o' wisps and are sometimes said to be souls of the dead. Now check out what happened to the [[http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/121/14/ people captured by the angel tavoo]]. There are some differences in appearance between the two things but that could be a simple case of the "souls" not being used by Bonfire yet thus the form is different. There is precedent for the use of souls/life essence by Miroku during his fight against Grana. Finally, [[spoiler: it looks like Bonfire has been brought up as a threat [[http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/124/07/ in chapter 124.]]]]
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[[WMG: Bonfire Mithra will use some of the captives from [=ROOT=] as the [[MetaphysicalFuel fuel]] [[HumanResources component]] of her/his psychic powers.]]
* What we know ofBonfire's Mithra's psychic abilities are they are some kind of foresight and they seem to manifest as [[http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/108/15/ balls of fire]]. These resemble [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitodama Hitodama]], the Japanese equivalent of will o' wisps and are sometimes said to be souls of the dead. Now check out what happened to the [[http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/121/14/ people captured by the angel tavoo]]. There are some differences in appearance between the two things but that could be a simple case of the "souls" not being used by Bonfire yet thus the form is different. There is precedent for the use of souls/life essence by Miroku during his fight against Grana. Finally, [[spoiler: it looks like Bonfire Mithra has been brought up as a threat [[http://www.onemanga.com/Psyren/124/07/ in chapter 124.]]]]
**Partially confirmed. Mithra's using the fuel for [[spoiler:her master, an EldritchAbomination named Quat Nevas]], and it's not just the captives, it's [[spoiler:the entire planet]].
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**Partially confirmed. Mithra's using the fuel for [[spoiler:her master, an EldritchAbomination named Quat Nevas]], and it's not just the captives, it's [[spoiler:the entire planet]].
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** Also consider the fact that both Ageha and 07 have [[YouGottaHaveBlueHair blue hair]]... But where does Miroku's red come from? It would consider the twins' massive PSI power, though.
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** Ageha's psi, in the uncontrolled form, looks like a branching tree, and Miroku's psi is a tree of light.
** Grigori 7's psi is time travelling, and she is able to tap into people's minds and utilise their psi. Remember tat little mind reading, hallucination psi of Amamiya's? Yup. With a bit of 'NOVA'ing, mind tapping is probably no longer an impossibility. Furthermore, Ageha's dad is like 60, but he's still so young! Time control to time reversal, definitely!
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[[WMG:The Bonfire/Mithra in the present hasn't been possessed by the BodySnatcher alien thing yet. Also, the meteor reported to fall in Hokkaido is tied to said entity.]]
*The meteor that was mentioned in the newspaper article in chapter 34 hasn't been brought up again. The mangaka has often set up plot points only to revisit them much later. That said, the meteor is said to fall in late October 2009 and as of this writing it is around August/July 2008 in the present. If the meteor is related to the alien entity it would mean that the present!Bonfire is currently unpossessed.
**[[Tropers.Duckling This troper]] speculates if the current body of Mithra was willing or not.
*The meteor that was mentioned in the newspaper article in chapter 34 hasn't been brought up again. The mangaka has often set up plot points only to revisit them much later. That said, the meteor is said to fall in late October 2009 and as of this writing it is around August/July 2008 in the present. If the meteor is related to the alien entity it would mean that the present!Bonfire is currently unpossessed.
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[[WMG:The big fight between [=WISE=] and the protagonists in Astral Nava is vital to the progression of the Genesis plan. And it doesn't matter who dies.]]
*As Misura mentions [[http://keishou.net/manga/Psyren/131/4 here]], due to the fights there is an immense amount of psi energy in the area. Which is forming a field. And what was recently mentioned that would probably benefit from this Psi? [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/psyren/v15/c125/17.html The "Iron Cauldron"]]. The next step of the Genesis plan will be activated at the end of this arc no matter who wins. And it is implied that Mithra doesn't care if the Star Commanders survive or not.
*As Misura mentions [[http://keishou.net/manga/Psyren/131/4 here]], due to the fights there is an immense amount of psi energy in the area. Which is forming a field. And what was recently mentioned that would probably benefit from this Psi? [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/psyren/v15/c125/17.html The "Iron Cauldron"]]. The next step of the Genesis plan will be activated at the end of this arc no matter who wins. And it is implied that Mithra doesn't care if the Star Commanders survive or not.
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**Somewhat confirmed as of chapter 131, [[spoiler:Mithra/Misura wants to use Marie's body as her current body is breaking down.]]
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**If Kagetora shows up it will be to fight Janus to finish the fight they started back at the orphanage.