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-> 2 + 3 + 5 + 8 = 18 --> 1 + 8 = [9]
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[[WMG: Those involved with the Nonary Game 9 years ago had their memories modified.]]
In the epilogue to the True Ending, Junpei surmises that Seven was simply lying about Akane dying from the experiment, and saying that Snake's reaction made sense because he couldn't see her. But as the ending from Akane's perspective reveals, Snake was in the same room as her when she turned out to have survived, so he would have known also. His tremor when talking about her death must have been genuine, so even if Seven was lying, Snake was not; Zero and/or Santa simply made him, Clover, and Seven (and likely Ace as well) remember the events differently until this Nonary Game was finished. This way, they could keep the timeline stable and not cause a paradox.
[[WMG: Those involved with the Nonary Game 9 years ago had their memories modified.]]
In the epilogue to the True Ending, Junpei surmises that Seven was simply lying about Akane dying from the experiment, and saying that Snake's reaction made sense because he couldn't see her. But as the ending from Akane's perspective reveals, Snake was in the same room as her when she turned out to have survived, so he would have known also. His tremor when talking about her death must have been genuine, so even if Seven was lying, Snake was not; Zero and/or Santa simply made him, Clover, and Seven (and likely Ace as well) remember the events differently until this Nonary Game was finished. This way, they could keep the timeline stable and not cause a paradox.
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Clover is [[{{Manga/Yotsuba}} named Yotsuba]], and Snake is [[Manga/DeathNote Light (pronounced Raito)]]. This one really explains itself, and while it could just be a coincidence, it's funny that they're both named after manga main characters.
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Clover is [[{{Manga/Yotsuba}} named Yotsuba]], and Snake is [[Manga/DeathNote Light (pronounced Raito)]]. This one really explains itself, and while it could just be a coincidence, it's funny that they're both named after manga main characters.characters.
[[WMG: The Bracelet Numbers on the Gigantic Nine Years Ago]]
The only bracelet number that's confirmed for Nine Years Ago is that Akane was definitely #5, but in what may be the most useless piece of 999 speculation, it's possible to take a reasonable guess at three other numbers.
When the nine children are trapped in the incinerator, they send five of them ahead through the 9 Door when they realized Seven is coming to save them. Based on the CGs, the four who stayed behind were Light/Snake, Aoi/Santa, Akane/June, and Nona/Lotus' Daughter.
Since Akane must be #5, and three of the four show up Nine Years Later (with Nona instead having her mother be there), we can make an assumption that they might have the same numbers. Intentionally or not, this happens to work out, giving #2 to Light, #3 to Aoi, and #8 to Nona.
-> 2 + 3 + 5 + 8 = 18 --> 1 + 8 = [9]
[[WMG: The Bracelet Numbers on the Gigantic Nine Years Ago]]
The only bracelet number that's confirmed for Nine Years Ago is that Akane was definitely #5, but in what may be the most useless piece of 999 speculation, it's possible to take a reasonable guess at three other numbers.
When the nine children are trapped in the incinerator, they send five of them ahead through the 9 Door when they realized Seven is coming to save them. Based on the CGs, the four who stayed behind were Light/Snake, Aoi/Santa, Akane/June, and Nona/Lotus' Daughter.
Since Akane must be #5, and three of the four show up Nine Years Later (with Nona instead having her mother be there), we can make an assumption that they might have the same numbers. Intentionally or not, this happens to work out, giving #2 to Light, #3 to Aoi, and #8 to Nona.
-> 2 + 3 + 5 + 8 = 18 --> 1 + 8 = [9]
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Clover is [[Manga/Yotsuba Yotsuba]], and Snake is [[Manga/DeathNote Light (pronounced Raito)]]. This one really explains itself, and while it could just be a coincidence, it's funny that they're both named after manga main characters.
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Clover is [[Manga/Yotsuba [[{{Manga/Yotsuba}} named Yotsuba]], and Snake is [[Manga/DeathNote Light (pronounced Raito)]]. This one really explains itself, and while it could just be a coincidence, it's funny that they're both named after manga main characters.
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* While technically, the camera might not have been intended to stream any footage for a confession at all (Zero was [[GambitRoulette planning on Ace ignoring the confession anyway]], and the footage might just have been wirelessly transmitting to one of the screens in the room itself), the key fact is that Ace would have ''thought'' it was sending information to some sort of hard-drive or live-stream.
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* While technically, the camera might not have been intended to stream any footage for a confession at all (Zero was [[GambitRoulette planning on Ace ignoring the confession anyway]], and the footage might just have been wirelessly transmitting to one of the screens in the room itself), the key fact is that Ace would have ''thought'' it was sending information to some sort of hard-drive or live-stream.live-stream.
[[WMG: The Field Parents are Manga Fans]]
Look at the real names of Clover and Snake in the Japanese version.
Clover is [[Manga/Yotsuba Yotsuba]], and Snake is [[Manga/DeathNote Light (pronounced Raito)]]. This one really explains itself, and while it could just be a coincidence, it's funny that they're both named after manga main characters.
[[WMG: The Field Parents are Manga Fans]]
Look at the real names of Clover and Snake in the Japanese version.
Clover is [[Manga/Yotsuba Yotsuba]], and Snake is [[Manga/DeathNote Light (pronounced Raito)]]. This one really explains itself, and while it could just be a coincidence, it's funny that they're both named after manga main characters.
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They are actually 3 and 6. All the evidence pointing to them being 9 and 0 is circumstantial. Santa always going through the same doors as June can be interpreted as him not not wanting to leave his sister alone (note he isn't the one to protest when June wants to go through Door 5 with Junpei). His behavior at Door 3 doesn't prove anything as Lotus runs for it as well. He may have just been trying to preserve the timeline Akane had seen nine years previously. Also, Snake's reasoning behind his theory is shaky at best. His reason for that theory was that there was most likely not two bracelets with the number 6, but the theory results in two number 9 bracelets, and we already know there were two bracelets with the number 2. Additionally, his reasoning regarding Santa and June always going through the same doors could also be used to cast suspicion on Lotus, as she had also gone through all the same doors in that timeline. Sure, there are other timelines where Lotus did not go through the same doors, but Snake had no way of knowing that. Finally, at no other point in the game are there any doors or bracelets that are anything other than what they show, with Musashidou's bracelet being the letter O instead of the number 0, and the final door being a q instead of a 9. There is no way something could look like a 3 but actually represent 9: E would be 14 (5), M would be 22 (4), and W would be 32 (5).
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They are actually 3 and 6. All the evidence pointing to them being 9 and 0 is circumstantial. Santa always going through the same doors as June can be interpreted as him not not wanting to leave his sister alone (note he isn't the one to protest when June wants to go through Door 5 with Junpei). His behavior at Door 3 doesn't prove anything as Lotus runs for it as well. He may have just been trying to preserve the timeline Akane had seen nine years previously. Also, Snake's reasoning behind his theory is shaky at best. His reason for that theory was that there was most likely not two bracelets with the number 6, but the theory results in two number 9 bracelets, and we already know there were two bracelets with the number 2. Additionally, his reasoning regarding Santa and June always going through the same doors could also be used to cast suspicion on Lotus, as she had also gone through all the same doors in that timeline. Sure, there are other timelines where Lotus did not go through the same doors, but Snake had no way of knowing that. Finally, at no other point in the game are there any doors or bracelets that are anything other than what they show, with Musashidou's bracelet being the letter O instead of the number 0, and the final door being a q instead of a 9. There is no way something could look like a 3 but actually represent 9: E would be 14 (5), M would be 22 (4), and W would be 32 (5).(5).
[[WMG: The Camera in the Captain's Quarters]]
Let's go through some facts:
* Ace's note from Zero states that he would be allowed out of the Nonary Game if he confessed his crimes in the Captain's Quarters. Specifically, he was told there would be a camera there, streaming a live-feed.
* There ''is'' a a camera in the final room of the Captain's Quarters, and examining it reveals it's probably streaming a live feed to somewhere.
* However, if this was meant to capture Ace's (and Musashidou's) confession, there's a glaring problem: The camera is pointed towards the exit door. In order to capture anything usable of the confession, it would most likely be pointed at the middle of the room instead. (Which would be far more convincing evidence than disembodied voices).
* However, the next morsel of information comes when you realize that the only time Junpei (and thus, the player) gets to see the Captain's Quarters is when exploring it with Ace and Clover (1+4+5 = 10 -> 1+0 = 1). This is also, regardless of path, when Ace uses advance knowledge of the game to sneak off and kill Cap.
* In other words, the only time we see the camera in question is ''after'' Ace has been on the scene. Given that he knew his confession would be recorded, he must have assumed there'd be a camera, and thus know about it.
* Since he kills Cap (and remember, the camera would probably have been pointing at the center of the room in its default state), it's heavily implied he turned the camera around to avoid capturing a murder on a camera, not to mention one that was streaming its contents.
* While technically, the camera might not have been intended to stream any footage for a confession at all (Zero was [[GambitRoulette planning on Ace ignoring the confession anyway]], and the footage might just have been wirelessly transmitting to one of the screens in the room itself), the key fact is that Ace would have ''thought'' it was sending information to some sort of hard-drive or live-stream.
[[WMG: The Camera in the Captain's Quarters]]
Let's go through some facts:
* Ace's note from Zero states that he would be allowed out of the Nonary Game if he confessed his crimes in the Captain's Quarters. Specifically, he was told there would be a camera there, streaming a live-feed.
* There ''is'' a a camera in the final room of the Captain's Quarters, and examining it reveals it's probably streaming a live feed to somewhere.
* However, if this was meant to capture Ace's (and Musashidou's) confession, there's a glaring problem: The camera is pointed towards the exit door. In order to capture anything usable of the confession, it would most likely be pointed at the middle of the room instead. (Which would be far more convincing evidence than disembodied voices).
* However, the next morsel of information comes when you realize that the only time Junpei (and thus, the player) gets to see the Captain's Quarters is when exploring it with Ace and Clover (1+4+5 = 10 -> 1+0 = 1). This is also, regardless of path, when Ace uses advance knowledge of the game to sneak off and kill Cap.
* In other words, the only time we see the camera in question is ''after'' Ace has been on the scene. Given that he knew his confession would be recorded, he must have assumed there'd be a camera, and thus know about it.
* Since he kills Cap (and remember, the camera would probably have been pointing at the center of the room in its default state), it's heavily implied he turned the camera around to avoid capturing a murder on a camera, not to mention one that was streaming its contents.
* While technically, the camera might not have been intended to stream any footage for a confession at all (Zero was [[GambitRoulette planning on Ace ignoring the confession anyway]], and the footage might just have been wirelessly transmitting to one of the screens in the room itself), the key fact is that Ace would have ''thought'' it was sending information to some sort of hard-drive or live-stream.
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* Except that Snake was already eighteen years old when Death Note was published, and Clover was 12 when Yotsuba was published. At least, assuming the game takes place around the time it was released, which the pop culture references strongly imply. (Junpei quoting ''TheDarkKnight'' means the game couldn't have taken place any earlier than 2008.)
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* Except that Snake was already eighteen years old when Death Note was published, and Clover was 12 when Yotsuba was published. At least, assuming the game takes place around the time it was released, which the pop culture references strongly imply. (Junpei quoting ''TheDarkKnight'' ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' means the game couldn't have taken place any earlier than 2008.)
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[[spoiler: Because it's not that big of a leap to joke about.]]
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* [[spoiler:By honing her ability to interact with the morphogenic field, she eventually discards her physical body, leading her to AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence and becoming a 4-dimensional being who would later be named [[VisualNovel/{{Ever17}} Blick Winkel.]] ]]
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* [[spoiler:By By honing her ability to interact with the morphogenic field, she eventually discards her physical body, leading her to AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence and becoming a 4-dimensional being who would later be named [[VisualNovel/{{Ever17}} Blick Winkel.]] Winkel. ]]
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** [[spoiler: More specifically, when Aoi and Akane became rich with Cradle Stock under assumed names, Seven thought that was suspicious and investigated their connection to Hongou, having a few violent encounters with minions. What he found was the complete opposite of his expectations, to say the least. Luckily for him, they needed him alive for their time-gambit to work (and probably pulled a WeCanRuleTogether while they were at it.)]]
** Jossed in the sequel. [[spoiler: The large organization was actually an organization named Free the Soul of Y.]]
** Jossed in the sequel. [[spoiler: The large organization was actually an organization named Free the Soul of Y.]]
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** [[spoiler: More specifically, when Aoi and Akane became rich with Cradle Stock under assumed names, Seven thought that was suspicious and investigated their connection to Hongou, having a few violent encounters with minions. What he found was the complete opposite of his expectations, to say the least. Luckily for him, they needed him alive for their time-gambit to work (and probably pulled a WeCanRuleTogether while they were at it.)]]
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* So wait, are you saying that Gordain could [[spoiler: bring the dead back to life?]]
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* So wait, are you saying that Gordain could [[spoiler: bring the dead back to life?]]
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* My god, you're right! Given that [[spoiler:The CEO of Cradle Pharmaceutical uses it on himself, and Zero gained her power via Cradle Stock...]]
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* My god, you're right! Given that [[spoiler:The The CEO of Cradle Pharmaceutical uses it on himself, and Zero gained her power via Cradle Stock...]]
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[[spoiler:16 children were reported kidnapped but the Nonary Game had 18 participants. I believe it was Seven and Santa who say Aoi and Akane were orphans but Seven would only know that by asking the children. Other things suggest they aren't orphans too. Aoi is dressed as someone from a private school. Junpei also knew Akane as a child and it didn't mention anything about her being an orphan (with seemingly no one to report her disappearance) which would be a pretty big deal. Even orphans have people looking after them. The only way they could have been snatched was if they were homeless (in which case they were some well groomed school attending homeless kids who apparently had very uncaring teachers) or if the one doing the snatching was the one looking after them. Ace wouldn't recognise them years later due to his prospagnosia and even Snake said Aoi's voice has changed. It would also explain why they couldn't bring themselves to kill Ace or have him kill himself despite it being clear he is the one they hate the most. I think this theory fits very well and makes the scene in the incinerator all that more heart breaking. The only thing to disprove this theory from what I can see is Akane's surname...Maybe their mother did die and they took her name out of respect/dislike of their uncaring father.]]
* Jossed by ''VisualNovel/ZeroTimeDilemma'' [[spoiler: as we learn their parents' fate]].
[[WMG: Ace is [[spoiler:[[{{VideoGame/Borderlands2}} Handsome Jack]].]]]]
[[spoiler:[[http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111111050235/ninehourspersonsdoors/images/6/65/Lotus_ace_hostage_1.png Look at this picture and tell me you can't see the resemblance.]]]]
* Jossed by ''VisualNovel/ZeroTimeDilemma'' [[spoiler: as we learn their parents' fate]].
[[WMG: Ace is [[spoiler:[[{{VideoGame/Borderlands2}} Handsome Jack]].]]]]
[[spoiler:[[http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111111050235/ninehourspersonsdoors/images/6/65/Lotus_ace_hostage_1.png Look at this picture and tell me you can't see the resemblance.]]]]
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[[WMG: Ace is
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That is why they specifically named them ''Manga/{{Yotsuba}}'' and [[spoiler:[[Manga/DeathNote Light]]]].
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That is why they specifically named them ''Manga/{{Yotsuba}}'' and [[spoiler:[[Manga/DeathNote Light]]]].[[Manga/DeathNote Light]].
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[[WMG: Ace is [[spoiler: an Esper]]]]
Why else would he [[spoiler: build a death trap for a ship, kidnap 18 children, and set up the Nonary Game to test the Morphogenetic Field, if he couldn't even access it?]]
Why else would he [[spoiler: build a death trap for a ship, kidnap 18 children, and set up the Nonary Game to test the Morphogenetic Field, if he couldn't even access it?]]
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[[WMG: Ace is [[spoiler: an Esper]]]]
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[[spoiler:They are actually 3 and 6. All the evidence pointing to them being 9 and 0 is circumstantial. Santa always going through the same doors as June can be interpreted as him not not wanting to leave his sister alone (note he isn't the one to protest when June wants to go through Door 5 with Junpei). His behavior at Door 3 doesn't prove anything as Lotus runs for it as well. He may have just been trying to preserve the timeline Akane had seen nine years previously. Also, Snake's reasoning behind his theory is shaky at best. His reason for that theory was that there was most likely not two bracelets with the number 6, but the theory results in two number 9 bracelets, and we already know there were two bracelets with the number 2. Additionally, his reasoning regarding Santa and June always going through the same doors could also be used to cast suspicion on Lotus, as she had also gone through all the same doors in that timeline. Sure, there are other timelines where Lotus did not go through the same doors, but Snake had no way of knowing that. Finally, at no other point in the game are there any doors or bracelets that are anything other than what they show, with Musashidou's bracelet being the letter O instead of the number 0, and the final door being a q instead of a 9. There is no way something could look like a 3 but actually represent 9: E would be 14 (5), M would be 22 (4), and W would be 32 (5).]]
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