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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Even with The Plutoninan gone, Earth is screwed]]

[[spoiler: Even with The Plutoninan gone, Earth is screwed]]
Sure, all of the major villains operating from Earth have either reformed (Max Damage, [[spoiler: Plutonian in a way]]), died, or were otherwise removed as a threat ([[spoiler: like Modeus getting sealed away into Qubit's mind), and the series ended with new heroes (like [[spoiler: Alana Patel with Max Damage's abilities]]) possibly filling the gaps left by the Paradigm's dead members. But there's the issue of the Vespa, who if you remember were deadly enough that Hornet figured it was better to cut a deal with them than fight off an invasion of their armies. Now that the Plutonian not only escaped from a Vespa ran prison, but [[spoiler: had his essence spread around the multiverse]] the Vespa are in a strong position to invade Earth again, this time [[spoiler:without the Plutonian to get in their way.]] Remember that the deal Hornet cut with the Vespa had them cap

The comic establishes on multiple occasions that Max Damage was on the same levels as the Plutonian if he'd been awake for a long enough time. Close enough to make it a good fight at least. However, none of those fights destroyed an entire city, and the Plutonian has enough power in just his eye beams to do just that, or [[spoiler: sink Singapore, or carve his symbol into North America in trenches wider than the grand canyon. From space.]] The fact that the Plutonian turns out to be [[spoiler: a reality warper]] makes me think that just seeing Max Damage, due to [[spoiler: their childhood history together]] makes him subconsciously depower himself.

It's happening to Charybdis, and his power only had to double. Might be a quasi-mystical Universal law similar to that of "Evil Always Win" in the Crime Syndicate Earth in TheDCU.

...and created an alternate universe by doing so, where the Plutonian is instead known as {{Superman}}.

As it's said in SupermanTheAnimatedSeries, Superman says that he'd go crazy if he had to be Superman all the time and that ''he's Clark Kent'' above all. Alana and her co-workers destroyed this for Tony (albeit it was his fault for telling it to Alana in the first place)

*** Slight problem, though, ComicBook/KingdomCome was more a {{deconstruction}} of UsefulNotes/{{the Dark Age|of Comic Books}}, not really a {{reconstruction}} of the SilverAge.

The comic establishes on multiple occasions that Max Damage was on the same levels as the Plutonian if he'd been awake for a long enough time. Close enough to make it a good fight at least. However, none of those fights destroyed an entire city, and the Plutonian has enough power in just his eye beams to do just that, or [spoiler: sink Singapore, or carve his symbol into North America in trenches wider than the grand canyon. From space.]] The fact that the Plutonian turns out to be [[spoiler: a reality warper]] makes me think that just seeing Max Damage, due to [[spoiler: their childhood history together]] makes him subconsciously depower himself.

As it's said in SupermanTheAnimatedSeries, Superman says that he'd go crazy if he had to be Superman all the time and that ''he's Clark Kent'' above all. Alana and her co-workers destroyed this for Tony (albeit it was his fault for telling it to Alana in the first place)

* We now know the Plutonian is [[spoiler: a RealityWarper. We also know that super-powered beings and the like only started appearing ''after'' he did. Ergo... Consciously or unconsciously, he used his powers to turn the world into a big comic book where these kinds of things happen. Just like DoctorSolar.]]

*** Slight problem, though, ComicBook/KingdomCome was more a {{deconstruction}} of the DarkAge, not really a {{reconstruction}} of the SilverAge.

* Take note about how she was replaced with a Jailbait who didn't have any attraction to Max Damage and has been seemingly replaced HERSELF by a very adult Alana Patel.

* [[spoiler: He did... well, his essence did. We're safe.]]

[[WMG: ''Irredeemable'' is MarkWaid's apology for ''ComicBook/KingdomCome''.]]

*** GrantMorrison's essay added to the first issue pretty much confirms it.

* On the other hand, Max Damage is a reasonable kind of guy and is attempting to go straight. Although his power can fluxuate, it's mentioned he's generally on the same level of power as Charybdis and The Plutonian.

** k) The Plutonian is [[SealedEvilInACan sealed away, and the last issue will be of him being released]] to butt heads with super-heroes in the future (who look strangely like TheLegionOfSuperheroes).

[[WMG: ''Irredeemable'' is MarkWaid's apology for ''KingdomCome''.]]
* Why would Mark Waid apologize for ''KingdomCome''? It's a highly acclaimed, landmark comic.

*** Slight problem, though, KingdomCome was more a {{deconstruction}} of the DarkAge, not really a {{reconstruction}} of the SilverAge.

Qubit's action, or rather inaction, has done more harm than good. Likewise, the one scene where he torments Encanta could be Mark Waid's way of criticizing the Doctor's hypocrisy. Killing is bad, but punishments or tortures [[FateWorseThanDeath worse than death]] are alright? This feels more and more like an attack on the Doctor's {{Technical Pacifism}}.

** e) Modeus destroys him with a {{Deus Ex Machina}}.

** h) Experiences a {{Heel Face Turn}} and somehow atones for all his atrocities. Probably involves Time Travel.

** j) After finding a way to depower The Plutonian, it is determined only Max Daring's power could stand up to his might to get the injection (or whatnot) in. After an epic fight, Daring manages to get the shot into The Plutonian's stream. The loss of powers also has the side effect of curing the Plutonian's insanity, and he atones for all his crimes.

*** Logically, Modeus must be able to read memories to be able to delete them as precisely as he can. So he could already know literally everything that Qubit knows - including the fact that he has the candle. In fact, Modeus [[BehindTheBlack could easily]] have nicked it already, during their trip to the prison planet.

''[[ParanoiaFuel So you better watch what you write about me.]]''

[[ParanoiaFuel So you better watch what you write about him.]]

Let's face it, Plutonian has all the best abilities a super hero has. And his fall from grace represents the symbolical fall of grace of other superheroes. We did see Hornet hiding some grim stuff in his closet, who knows what skeletons Metalman, Citadel or Volt might had.

** M) Alternatively, it occurs to me that the mechanics of Plutonian's powers could serve as a massive KryptoniteFactor. Modeus can selectively alter people's memories, so if he could somehow make the Plutonian forget he had powers or perhaps think he'd been hallucinating or dreaming them, then his strength, flight etc. might simply stop working. The candle could presumably make him vulnerable to the virus that implants the memory-altering nanotech, so the ingredients are all there. I realise that the cooperation necessary to pull this off is unlikely, given the tone of the series, (in fact, Modeus becoming able to so directly manipulate the Tony would surely just make things even worse) but...

** M) Alternatively, it occurs to me that the mechanics of Plutonian's powers could serve as a massive WeaksauceWeakness. Modeus can selectively alter people's memories, so if he could somehow make the Plutonian forget he had powers or perhaps think he'd been hallucinating or dreaming them, then his strength, flight etc. might simply stop working. The candle could presumably make him vulnerable to the virus that implants the memory-altering nanotech, so the ingredients are all there. I realise that the cooperation necessary to pull this off is unlikely, given the tone of the series, (in fact, Modeus becoming able to so directly manipulate the Tony would surely just make things even worse) but...

** U) There is no Max Daring. If you've actually read Incorruptible, you'll remember his name is Max DAMAGE.

** That does make sense, given how much Charry resented Scylla in the most recent issue's flashback. Probably killed Scylla to get all the power and Kaidan, but wasn't prepared for the vast power increase or all the responsibility that would be thrust upon him.

That's the dark secret. Re-read the scene where The Plutonian destroys Inferno's base. Both Scylla and Cary would have been able to put up shields to block it and Cary was flying toward Scylla at the time. It's possible Cary somehow sabotaged Scylla at the last minute and then protected himself. The pair had just been seen arguing about dating Kaidan just moments earlier. Perhaps Cary got sick of sharing the spotlight and his powers and thought it was unfair for his brother to come out ahead, so he seized an opportunity.