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Mary decides to continue working with Joy to help her find out about her third personality and because she likes having a friend (who knows too much about her already). So Joy will secretly hire hitmen and assassins to kill Mary and be free from her stranglehold. However, Mary will easily kill them all, and suspects Joy sent them and will constantly threaten Joy to accept their working relationship if she wants to stay alive.
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As a way of throwing a bone towards the fans who wanted an Asian-American Danny Rand, Shang-Chi will be a Chinese-American residing in Chinatown or something. Furthermore, he could have actual KiAttacks and character similar to [[Comicbook/JonathanHickmansAvengers Hickman's retcon/writing]]
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As a way of throwing a bone towards the fans who wanted an Asian-American Danny Rand, Shang-Chi will be a Chinese-American residing in Chinatown or something. Furthermore, he could have actual KiAttacks KiManipulation and character similar to [[Comicbook/JonathanHickmansAvengers Hickman's retcon/writing]]
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That way they don't just vanish. My guess would be Series/LukeCage, with Danny becoming the one who stands in the way of Luke becoming corrupted in Season 3, while Colleen starts a detective agency with Misty. It would essentially be ''Heroes for Hire'', but with Luke being the explicit lead. Mary will go off the deep end and become a villain in a future season of Series/{{Daredevil|2015}}, Series/{{Jessica Jones|2015}}, or Series/{{The Punisher|2017}}.
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That way they don't just vanish. My guess would be Series/LukeCage, ''Series/{{Luke Cage|2016}}'', with Danny becoming the one who stands in the way of Luke becoming corrupted in Season 3, while Colleen starts a detective agency with Misty. It would essentially be ''Heroes for Hire'', but with Luke being the explicit lead. Mary will go off the deep end and become a villain in a future season of Series/{{Daredevil|2015}}, Series/{{Jessica Jones|2015}}, ''Series/{{Daredevil|2015}}'', ''Series/{{Jessica Jones|2015}}'', or Series/{{The Punisher|2017}}.''Series/{{The Punisher|2017}}''.
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As of the second season of ''Series/JessicaJones'', Jeri Hogarth is [[spoiler: suffering from ALS and trying to find a cure. This will lead her to either seek Danny’s help due to his healing powers or possibly make a deal with villains to try to find other means of thwarting the disease.]]
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As of the second season of ''Series/JessicaJones'', ''Series/JessicaJones2015'', Jeri Hogarth is [[spoiler: suffering from ALS and trying to find a cure. This will lead her to either seek Danny’s help due to his healing powers or possibly make a deal with villains to try to find other means of thwarting the disease.]]
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...which will ironically coincide with Danny becoming clean shaven! But seriously though, the show having a new showrunner in Raven Metzner could allow for the issues viewers had with Season 1 being addressed, while still including, or even ''expanding'' upon, the more positively received aspects of it. CharacterDevelopment from Series/TheDefenders will allow for Danny to grow more, caring more about his duty as the Iron Fist and finally getting his costume, Colleen getting to develop her comradery with Misty, and getting to see more of K'un Lun.
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...which will ironically coincide with Danny becoming clean shaven! But seriously though, the show having a new showrunner in Raven Metzner could allow for the issues viewers had with Season 1 being addressed, while still including, or even ''expanding'' upon, the more positively received aspects of it. CharacterDevelopment from Series/TheDefenders ''Series/{{The Defenders|2017}}'' will allow for Danny to grow more, caring more about his duty as the Iron Fist and finally getting his costume, Colleen getting to develop her comradery with Misty, and getting to see more of K'un Lun.
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In the comics, Typhoid Mary had a connection to The Hand. In this series, she will take hold of what is left of the organization after the Five Fingers and Black Sky were killed in ''Series/TheDefenders''. If not that, she will be a former member who is going her own way after her bosses died.
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In the comics, Typhoid Mary had a connection to The Hand. In this series, she will take hold of what is left of the organization after the Five Fingers and Black Sky were killed in ''Series/TheDefenders''.''Series/TheDefenders2017''. If not that, she will be a former member who is going her own way after her bosses died.
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In ''Series/TheDefenders'', we learn that The Hand needed an Iron Fist to open a gateway leading to dragon bones which had been sealed by a previous Iron Fist. The trailer for season 2 shows a mummified Iron Fist under a New York subway. That was probably the one who closed that gate and was subsequently killed some time after and his body was left buried.
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In ''Series/TheDefenders'', ''Series/TheDefenders2017'', we learn that The Hand needed an Iron Fist to open a gateway leading to dragon bones which had been sealed by a previous Iron Fist. The trailer for season 2 shows a mummified Iron Fist under a New York subway. That was probably the one who closed that gate and was subsequently killed some time after and his body was left buried.
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That way they don't just vanish. My guess would be Series/LukeCage, with Danny becoming the one who stands in the way of Luke becoming corrupted in Season 3, while Colleen starts a detective agency with Misty. It would essentially be ''Heroes for Hire'', but with Luke being the explicit lead. Mary will go off the deep end and become a villain in a future season of Series/{{Daredevil}}, Series/JessicaJones, or Series/ThePunisher.
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That way they don't just vanish. My guess would be Series/LukeCage, with Danny becoming the one who stands in the way of Luke becoming corrupted in Season 3, while Colleen starts a detective agency with Misty. It would essentially be ''Heroes for Hire'', but with Luke being the explicit lead. Mary will go off the deep end and become a villain in a future season of Series/{{Daredevil}}, Series/JessicaJones, Series/{{Daredevil|2015}}, Series/{{Jessica Jones|2015}}, or Series/ThePunisher.Series/{{The Punisher|2017}}.
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[[WMG: Shang Chi will appear but as an agent of SHIELD or MI6]]
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No announced actor, no mentions in descriptions, and not even a hint at a him appearing in any promotional clips or trailers is pretty suspect. Perhaps it was just a stunt made to placate the InternetBackdraft and nothing more. Then some of the fans who wanted Asian-American Iron Fist would be distracted, or at least be like "when life gives you lemons..." until the show is released and they learn that Shang-Chi was just a lie and they're drowned out by the positive reviews of the season when they try to bring it up online.
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No announced actor, no mentions in descriptions, and not even a hint at a him appearing in any promotional clips or trailers is pretty suspect. Perhaps it was just a stunt made to placate the InternetBackdraft backlash and nothing more. Then some of the fans who wanted Asian-American Iron Fist would be distracted, or at least be like "when life gives you lemons..." until the show is released and they learn that Shang-Chi was just a lie and they're drowned out by the positive reviews of the season when they try to bring it up online.
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That way they don't just vanish. My guess would be Series/LukeCage, with Danny becoming the one who stands in the way of Luke becoming corrupted in Season 3, while Colleen starts a detective agency with Misty. It would essentially be ''Heroes for Hire'', but with Luke being the explicit lead. Mary will go off the deep end and become a villain in a future season of Series/{{Daredevil}} or Series/ThePunisher.
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That way they don't just vanish. My guess would be Series/LukeCage, with Danny becoming the one who stands in the way of Luke becoming corrupted in Season 3, while Colleen starts a detective agency with Misty. It would essentially be ''Heroes for Hire'', but with Luke being the explicit lead. Mary will go off the deep end and become a villain in a future season of Series/{{Daredevil}} Series/{{Daredevil}}, Series/JessicaJones, or Series/ThePunisher.
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[[WMG: Danny, Colleen, and Alice will be transferred to the other MCU Netflix shows]]
That way they don't just vanish. My guess would be Series/LukeCage, with Danny becoming the one who stands in the way of Luke becoming corrupted in Season 3, while Colleen starts a detective agency with Misty. It would essentially be ''Heroes for Hire'', but with Luke being the explicit lead.
That way they don't just vanish. My guess would be Series/LukeCage, with Danny becoming the one who stands in the way of Luke becoming corrupted in Season 3, while Colleen starts a detective agency with Misty. It would essentially be ''Heroes for Hire'', but with Luke being the explicit lead.
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[[WMG: Danny, Colleen, and Alice Mary will be transferred to the other MCU Netflix shows]]
That way they don't just vanish. My guess would be Series/LukeCage, with Danny becoming the one who stands in the way of Luke becoming corrupted in Season 3, while Colleen starts a detective agency with Misty. It would essentially be ''Heroes for Hire'', but with Luke being the explicit lead. \n Mary will go off the deep end and become a villain in a future season of Series/{{Daredevil}} or Series/ThePunisher.
That way they don't just vanish. My guess would be Series/LukeCage, with Danny becoming the one who stands in the way of Luke becoming corrupted in Season 3, while Colleen starts a detective agency with Misty. It would essentially be ''Heroes for Hire'', but with Luke being the explicit lead.
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That way they don't just vanish. My guess would be Series/LukeCage, with Danny becoming the one who stands in the way of Luke becoming corrupted in Season 3, while Colleen starts a detective agency with Misty. It would essentially be ''Heroes for Hire'', but with Luke being the explicit lead.
That way they don't just vanish. My guess would be Series/LukeCage, with Danny becoming the one who stands in the way of Luke becoming corrupted in Season 3, while Colleen starts a detective agency with Misty. It would essentially be ''Heroes for Hire'', but with Luke being the explicit lead.
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In the final scene of season 2, we know Danny and Ward raided Orson Randal's warehouse and took his property. While we know Danny has his guns, it's never stated that was all he took. In the comics, Orson also had the Book of the Iron Fist which allowed Danny to learn more hidden techniques such as charging both fists and igniting weapons. Once Danny took the book, he was able to learn how to regain his powers, thus finally becoming fully worthy of the Fist.
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In the final scene of season 2, we know Danny and Ward raided Orson Randal's warehouse and took his property. While we know Danny has his guns, it's never stated that was all he took. In the comics, Orson also had the Book of the Iron Fist which allowed Danny to learn more hidden techniques such as charging both fists and igniting weapons. Once weapons, so that's probably what happened here. In season 3, once Danny took takes the book, he was will be able to learn how to regain his powers, thus finally becoming fully worthy of the Fist.
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* If it's true, chances are that Davos will want that book himself. If only to help him take back the Iron Fist.
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[[WMG: Danny found the Book of the Iron Fist.]]
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So between the comic book arc being used as inspiration for season 2, and later comic events as well as earlier TV setup, they are slowburning an "Ironjoy" relationship here that will be heavily implied if not established by S2's conclusion, kinda like Matt and Karen were in ''Daredevil''.
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So between the comic book arc being used as inspiration for season 2, and later comic events as well as earlier TV setup, they are slowburning an "Ironjoy" relationship here that will be heavily implied if not established by S2's conclusion, kinda like Matt and Karen were in ''Daredevil''. Because really, the Colleen/Danny/Joy dynamic is a modified version of the Elektra/Matt/Karen dynamic.
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This isn't to downplay Danny’s relationship with Colleen. Danny and Joy's relationship is very significant in the comics and highlighted pivotal in the show, in much the same way that Matt's relationship with Karen Page is handled in ''Daredevil''. Yes they can go either way but I’d like to think all this "Ironjoy" build up they’ve had is leading to something more than the basic family or hero/villain aspect. Plus it's no secret that the creators might be setting the seeds for a Daughters of the Dragon spinoff with Colleen and Misty. There’s a reason Danny and Joy's relationship has been hanging out on the backburner while Ironwing is in full bloom, and it's the same reason Matt/Karen took a backseat to Matt/Elektra during ''Daredevil'' season 2 and ''The Defenders'': it’s on slow burn. Things change and it looks as though there’ll be drastic changes happening for Danny and Joy in season 2. While many people think Danny and Joy are going to grow further apart, it's actually Danny and Colleen's relationship that's been slowly breaking down as a couple. In ''The Defenders'', it was established that Colleen wanted more outside of her relationship with Danny and vice-versa for him. Whatever guilt Danny has about what happened to Matt at Midland Circle can't be helping either.
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This isn't to downplay Danny’s relationship with Colleen. Danny and Joy's relationship is very significant in the comics and highlighted pivotal in the show, in much the same way that Matt's relationship with Karen Page is handled in ''Daredevil''. Yes they can go either way but I’d like to think all this "Ironjoy" build up they’ve had is leading to something more than the basic family or hero/villain aspect. Plus it's no secret that the creators might be setting the seeds for a Daughters of the Dragon spinoff with Colleen and Misty. There’s a reason Danny and Joy's relationship has been hanging out on the backburner while Ironwing is in full bloom, and it's the same reason Matt/Karen took a backseat to Matt/Elektra during ''Daredevil'' season 2 and ''The Defenders'': it’s on slow burn. Things change and it looks as though there’ll be drastic changes happening for Danny and Joy in season 2. While many people think Danny and Joy are going to grow further apart, it's actually Danny and Colleen's relationship that's been slowly breaking down as a couple. In ''The Defenders'', it was established that Colleen wanted more outside of her relationship with Danny and vice-versa for him. Whatever guilt Danny has about what happened to Matt at Midland Circle can't be helping either. It will culminate in an amicable split as both characters mature and come to grips with Claire's forewarning at the end of S1 of their relationship.
So between the comic book arc being used as inspiration for season 2, and later comic events as well as earlier TV setup, they are slowburning an "Ironjoy" relationship here that will be heavily implied if not established by S2's conclusion, kinda like Matt and Karen were in ''Daredevil''.
So between the comic book arc being used as inspiration for season 2, and later comic events as well as earlier TV setup, they are slowburning an "Ironjoy" relationship here that will be heavily implied if not established by S2's conclusion, kinda like Matt and Karen were in ''Daredevil''.
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Almost all the major characters in season 1 have alluded to seeing something between Danny and Joy which leads me to believe these writers do care about this pairing as opposed to flat out ignoring them, and that sending Joy down the antagonist path in season 2 will cause this dynamic to undergo a big change.
Ward pointed this out twice. The first was in episode 4 as everyone was getting ready for the press conference to announce Danny's return. Ward confronts Joy and says he knows she went behind his back to help Danny regain his inheritance with the old pottery bowl, saying, "Danny's always been a soft spot to you." In the previous episode Ward had been going through great lengths to destroy any documents or pieces of evidence that would identify Danny as the rightful heir to Rand Enterprises. What Ward didn’t count on was the old piece of pottery Danny made for Joy when they were kids containing his fingerprint. And when Joy denies her involvement, Ward deliberately throws her undisclosed feelings for Danny in her face. And her response is a silent stunned look just before Danny walks into the room. Plus, she even flirts a bit with him, much to Ward's consternation.
In the season 1 finale, while Joy was in the hospital, Ward visited her in the hospital and made an attempt to warn her about Harold. At this point his pleads are met with anger, frustration and impatience due to not only his 13 years of dishonesty but also in his indirect role in Joy getting shot (because he tried to make a deal with Bakuto). Joy, unwilling to believe how dangerous Harold is to her, is hardly in the mood to forgive or forget. So Ward makes a last ditch effort to get his sister to listen to him by once again using her soft spot for her childhood friend to state his case, tossing a newspaper with Danny’s face on the cover confirming that he is in fact being framed by Harold. This is the second time that Ward has confronted Joy about her affection for Danny. Feelings that she has neither denied or confirmed to having for him yet. Its just left up in the air as a small crumb for the future. But it makes sense that the writers are using Ward in this format as no one knows his sister like he does. They’ve been close their whole lives; the secret about Harold’s resurrection being the exception to never harboring any secrets from each other. If anyone would know the way Joy feels about Danny, it’s most definitely Ward.
In 1x09, Madame Gao spends the entirety of the episode being held captive in the dojo, and getting into Danny, Claire and Colleen’s heads. She suggests that Colleen has a few skeletons in her closet that could jeopardize her new relationship with Danny. Antagonistically, Gao also says to the ailing Colleen that not only are her and Danny meant to be on separate paths but that "Danny Rand belongs to someone else", and she's clearly not talking about the monks of K'un-L'un. Colleen doesn’t even really have a reaction to this which is also strange. She neither denies, refutes the assessment, or accuses Gao of spewing lies.
True the subtext in the particular scene can almost be interpreted to whatever the viewer imagines. But the "someone else" that Gao was referring to was probably Joy, given how good she is at reading people’s past, present and future via their auras in this show, in ''Daredevil'', and in ''The Defenders''. No doubt she’s seen inside Danny’s conflicted heart during all her interactions with him. Also at the very beginning of that same episode, Danny runs off to meet Joy in a short but pivotal scene, telling her to stay away from the building Ward has brought her to before disappearing, which later has her discovering Harold’s existence.
Another indication that Gao was referring to Joy when she said "Danny Rand belongs to someone else" is the fact that she had alluded to Miranda Rand[[note]]Danny’s half sister, from a hidden affair his father had, who kidnaps Joy during the Death Sting arc in the comics[[/note]] in 1x06 and 1x08. She cryptically informs Danny that Wendell was “not such an honorable man”. And of course there’s the moment in the last episode, where Gao is seen listening in on Joy and Davos’s conversation; two of Danny’s former best friends conspiring together against him. Why was she there? Is she working with Davos? Or was she keeping tabs on Joy knowing what she means to Danny? The only certainty is Gao has a hidden agenda.
Speaking of Davos, Davos sought out Joy to help him destroy his former comrade. He chose a woman he barely knows, someone close to Danny’s past, as a likely ally in his personal mission to gain the Iron Fist’s power. Really he could’ve gone to anyone but honestly manipulating Danny’s childhood friend against him is the perfect weapon. Not only does Davos condescendingly level with Joy about Danny not being the same person she knew growing up, he encourages her to get revenge reminding Joy that she felt her world fell apart when Danny resurfaced, using the very same words Joy says to Danny on the street in 1x09: "Everything fell apart once you showed up" / "Isn't it true your world fell apart after his return?" That was a deliberate writing parallel. Joy, ironically, doesn’t deny this replying “things changed for me” reaffirming she indeed believes Danny is the source of her pain. How would Davos know this? Or better yet, how would he know anything about Danny and Joy’s relationship unless Danny regularly talked about her while training in K'un-L'un? Davos would have to know about her to some extent in order to push the right buttons.
Then there's Colleen. Colleen is made aware of not only Joy’s past with Danny but also her undisclosed feelings for him. Colleen gets a front row seat to witness Joy’s reaction towards the M&Ms Danny sent back [as a test] from Birch Psychiatric. Joy cries out in tears at the realization that this ''is'' Danny Rand, and it's enough to sway Colleen. Originally she was skeptical about Danny, and was even tempted to take Ward’s offer. However this is the scene that convinces her his story is legit and quietly excuses herself out of the office without Joy knowing.
The next time Colleen and Joy interact is when Danny brings Joy to the dojo to hide her after the hatchet-men's attempt to snatch her. While they’re alone together, the two women begin bonding and Colleen curiously inquires about Joy and Danny’s past. To which Joy confesses their parents being best friends and even implies that she and Danny were betrothed to be married someday. Of coursed it's said with humor, but the subtext underneath indicates some truth to that assessment. Now think about Gao’s “Danny belongs to someone else” line. It's interesting that writers have already linked the phrase marriage towards Danny's connection with Joy, while Colleen is the person he is currently focused on.
Later, when Danny and Colleen are infiltrating the pier to track down the synthetic heroin, they share their first intimate moment together. As Danny looks deeply into Colleen’s eyes he confesses she is the only person he can trust as well as rely on. Surprisingly enough Colleen brings up Joy by name, and Danny stands silent wearing an inscrutable expression before he gives her a response which is very telling. She could’ve just left the Meachums out of the conversation but the fact that Colleen even acknowledges Joy being an important person to Danny emphasizes her insecurities about their relationship. She knows Joy harbors some kind of feelings for him based on the time she spent with her at the dojo as well as the M&M's scene. If this wasn’t an issue, Colleen wouldn’t have mentioned her and Danny would’ve denied it.
Other interesting details include Danny and Joy’s carefully color coordinated wardrobes. Including the fact that Joy has worn outfits entailing yellow and green as well as been placed in areas with yellow/gold and green [the Iron Fist’s colors] environments.
So about each of these references and encounters in season 1, they more so underline Joy’s affections for Danny as opposed to his for her considering his love story is currently with Colleen. And it makes sense that the writers did that since part of Joy’s arc was grappling with Danny’s reappearance and how it had affected her positively and negatively. It wouldn't be a surprise if season 2 ended up focusing on Danny’s feelings towards Joy this time around. And with all the angst built between them it seems a likely outcome. If these two characters aren’t going to end up as anything significant in the future than none of these plot points should matter. But they do.
This isn't to downplay Danny’s relationship with Colleen. Danny and Joy's relationship is very significant in the comics and highlighted pivotal in the show, in much the same way that Matt's relationship with Karen Page is handled in ''Daredevil''. Yes they can go either way but I’d like to think all this "Ironjoy" build up they’ve had is leading to something more than the basic family or hero/villain aspect. Plus it's no secret that the creators might be setting the seeds for a Daughters of the Dragon spinoff with Colleen and Misty. There’s a reason Danny and Joy's relationship has been hanging out on the backburner while Ironwing is in full bloom, and it's the same reason Matt/Karen took a backseat to Matt/Elektra during ''Daredevil'' season 2 and ''The Defenders'': it’s on slow burn. Things change and it looks as though there’ll be drastic changes happening for Danny and Joy in season 2. While many people think Danny and Joy are going to grow further apart, it's actually Danny and Colleen's relationship that's been slowly breaking down as a couple. In ''The Defenders'', it was established that Colleen wanted more outside of her relationship with Danny and vice-versa for him. Whatever guilt Danny has about what happened to Matt at Midland Circle can't be helping either.
Almost all the major characters in season 1 have alluded to seeing something between Danny and Joy which leads me to believe these writers do care about this pairing as opposed to flat out ignoring them, and that sending Joy down the antagonist path in season 2 will cause this dynamic to undergo a big change.
Ward pointed this out twice. The first was in episode 4 as everyone was getting ready for the press conference to announce Danny's return. Ward confronts Joy and says he knows she went behind his back to help Danny regain his inheritance with the old pottery bowl, saying, "Danny's always been a soft spot to you." In the previous episode Ward had been going through great lengths to destroy any documents or pieces of evidence that would identify Danny as the rightful heir to Rand Enterprises. What Ward didn’t count on was the old piece of pottery Danny made for Joy when they were kids containing his fingerprint. And when Joy denies her involvement, Ward deliberately throws her undisclosed feelings for Danny in her face. And her response is a silent stunned look just before Danny walks into the room. Plus, she even flirts a bit with him, much to Ward's consternation.
In the season 1 finale, while Joy was in the hospital, Ward visited her in the hospital and made an attempt to warn her about Harold. At this point his pleads are met with anger, frustration and impatience due to not only his 13 years of dishonesty but also in his indirect role in Joy getting shot (because he tried to make a deal with Bakuto). Joy, unwilling to believe how dangerous Harold is to her, is hardly in the mood to forgive or forget. So Ward makes a last ditch effort to get his sister to listen to him by once again using her soft spot for her childhood friend to state his case, tossing a newspaper with Danny’s face on the cover confirming that he is in fact being framed by Harold. This is the second time that Ward has confronted Joy about her affection for Danny. Feelings that she has neither denied or confirmed to having for him yet. Its just left up in the air as a small crumb for the future. But it makes sense that the writers are using Ward in this format as no one knows his sister like he does. They’ve been close their whole lives; the secret about Harold’s resurrection being the exception to never harboring any secrets from each other. If anyone would know the way Joy feels about Danny, it’s most definitely Ward.
In 1x09, Madame Gao spends the entirety of the episode being held captive in the dojo, and getting into Danny, Claire and Colleen’s heads. She suggests that Colleen has a few skeletons in her closet that could jeopardize her new relationship with Danny. Antagonistically, Gao also says to the ailing Colleen that not only are her and Danny meant to be on separate paths but that "Danny Rand belongs to someone else", and she's clearly not talking about the monks of K'un-L'un. Colleen doesn’t even really have a reaction to this which is also strange. She neither denies, refutes the assessment, or accuses Gao of spewing lies.
True the subtext in the particular scene can almost be interpreted to whatever the viewer imagines. But the "someone else" that Gao was referring to was probably Joy, given how good she is at reading people’s past, present and future via their auras in this show, in ''Daredevil'', and in ''The Defenders''. No doubt she’s seen inside Danny’s conflicted heart during all her interactions with him. Also at the very beginning of that same episode, Danny runs off to meet Joy in a short but pivotal scene, telling her to stay away from the building Ward has brought her to before disappearing, which later has her discovering Harold’s existence.
Another indication that Gao was referring to Joy when she said "Danny Rand belongs to someone else" is the fact that she had alluded to Miranda Rand[[note]]Danny’s half sister, from a hidden affair his father had, who kidnaps Joy during the Death Sting arc in the comics[[/note]] in 1x06 and 1x08. She cryptically informs Danny that Wendell was “not such an honorable man”. And of course there’s the moment in the last episode, where Gao is seen listening in on Joy and Davos’s conversation; two of Danny’s former best friends conspiring together against him. Why was she there? Is she working with Davos? Or was she keeping tabs on Joy knowing what she means to Danny? The only certainty is Gao has a hidden agenda.
Speaking of Davos, Davos sought out Joy to help him destroy his former comrade. He chose a woman he barely knows, someone close to Danny’s past, as a likely ally in his personal mission to gain the Iron Fist’s power. Really he could’ve gone to anyone but honestly manipulating Danny’s childhood friend against him is the perfect weapon. Not only does Davos condescendingly level with Joy about Danny not being the same person she knew growing up, he encourages her to get revenge reminding Joy that she felt her world fell apart when Danny resurfaced, using the very same words Joy says to Danny on the street in 1x09: "Everything fell apart once you showed up" / "Isn't it true your world fell apart after his return?" That was a deliberate writing parallel. Joy, ironically, doesn’t deny this replying “things changed for me” reaffirming she indeed believes Danny is the source of her pain. How would Davos know this? Or better yet, how would he know anything about Danny and Joy’s relationship unless Danny regularly talked about her while training in K'un-L'un? Davos would have to know about her to some extent in order to push the right buttons.
Then there's Colleen. Colleen is made aware of not only Joy’s past with Danny but also her undisclosed feelings for him. Colleen gets a front row seat to witness Joy’s reaction towards the M&Ms Danny sent back [as a test] from Birch Psychiatric. Joy cries out in tears at the realization that this ''is'' Danny Rand, and it's enough to sway Colleen. Originally she was skeptical about Danny, and was even tempted to take Ward’s offer. However this is the scene that convinces her his story is legit and quietly excuses herself out of the office without Joy knowing.
The next time Colleen and Joy interact is when Danny brings Joy to the dojo to hide her after the hatchet-men's attempt to snatch her. While they’re alone together, the two women begin bonding and Colleen curiously inquires about Joy and Danny’s past. To which Joy confesses their parents being best friends and even implies that she and Danny were betrothed to be married someday. Of coursed it's said with humor, but the subtext underneath indicates some truth to that assessment. Now think about Gao’s “Danny belongs to someone else” line. It's interesting that writers have already linked the phrase marriage towards Danny's connection with Joy, while Colleen is the person he is currently focused on.
Later, when Danny and Colleen are infiltrating the pier to track down the synthetic heroin, they share their first intimate moment together. As Danny looks deeply into Colleen’s eyes he confesses she is the only person he can trust as well as rely on. Surprisingly enough Colleen brings up Joy by name, and Danny stands silent wearing an inscrutable expression before he gives her a response which is very telling. She could’ve just left the Meachums out of the conversation but the fact that Colleen even acknowledges Joy being an important person to Danny emphasizes her insecurities about their relationship. She knows Joy harbors some kind of feelings for him based on the time she spent with her at the dojo as well as the M&M's scene. If this wasn’t an issue, Colleen wouldn’t have mentioned her and Danny would’ve denied it.
Other interesting details include Danny and Joy’s carefully color coordinated wardrobes. Including the fact that Joy has worn outfits entailing yellow and green as well as been placed in areas with yellow/gold and green [the Iron Fist’s colors] environments.
So about each of these references and encounters in season 1, they more so underline Joy’s affections for Danny as opposed to his for her considering his love story is currently with Colleen. And it makes sense that the writers did that since part of Joy’s arc was grappling with Danny’s reappearance and how it had affected her positively and negatively. It wouldn't be a surprise if season 2 ended up focusing on Danny’s feelings towards Joy this time around. And with all the angst built between them it seems a likely outcome. If these two characters aren’t going to end up as anything significant in the future than none of these plot points should matter. But they do.
This isn't to downplay Danny’s relationship with Colleen. Danny and Joy's relationship is very significant in the comics and highlighted pivotal in the show, in much the same way that Matt's relationship with Karen Page is handled in ''Daredevil''. Yes they can go either way but I’d like to think all this "Ironjoy" build up they’ve had is leading to something more than the basic family or hero/villain aspect. Plus it's no secret that the creators might be setting the seeds for a Daughters of the Dragon spinoff with Colleen and Misty. There’s a reason Danny and Joy's relationship has been hanging out on the backburner while Ironwing is in full bloom, and it's the same reason Matt/Karen took a backseat to Matt/Elektra during ''Daredevil'' season 2 and ''The Defenders'': it’s on slow burn. Things change and it looks as though there’ll be drastic changes happening for Danny and Joy in season 2. While many people think Danny and Joy are going to grow further apart, it's actually Danny and Colleen's relationship that's been slowly breaking down as a couple. In ''The Defenders'', it was established that Colleen wanted more outside of her relationship with Danny and vice-versa for him. Whatever guilt Danny has about what happened to Matt at Midland Circle can't be helping either.
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[[WMG: Davos needs the dead Iron Fist underground to complete the ritual to steal Danny's power.]]
The trailer shows a mummified Iron Fist under New York and as Davos prepares the ritual, we see a cauldron with what appears to be mummified flesh on top with the Mark of Shaou Lao. Davos cut the flesh off that dead body and used it to gain Danny's power.
[[WMG: The dead Iron Fist under New York was the one who sealed the dragon bones under Midland Circle.]]
In ''Series/TheDefenders'', we learn that The Hand needed an Iron Fist to open a gateway leading to dragon bones which had been sealed by a previous Iron Fist. The trailer for season 2 shows a mummified Iron Fist under a New York subway. That was probably the one who closed that gate and was subsequently killed some time after and his body was left buried.
The trailer shows a mummified Iron Fist under New York and as Davos prepares the ritual, we see a cauldron with what appears to be mummified flesh on top with the Mark of Shaou Lao. Davos cut the flesh off that dead body and used it to gain Danny's power.
[[WMG: The dead Iron Fist under New York was the one who sealed the dragon bones under Midland Circle.]]
In ''Series/TheDefenders'', we learn that The Hand needed an Iron Fist to open a gateway leading to dragon bones which had been sealed by a previous Iron Fist. The trailer for season 2 shows a mummified Iron Fist under a New York subway. That was probably the one who closed that gate and was subsequently killed some time after and his body was left buried.
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In the comics, Danny has a half-sister who ended up as a villain. This series uses Mary for that role. We still don't quite know the relationship between the Rands and the Hand, so perhaps it will be revealed that Wendell had an affair or a previous relationship with someone else connected to the Hand and Typhoid Mary was born.
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* Jossed. Both shows were renewed for second seasons.
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* That may prove to be kind of derivative. Maybe they could subvert it by having Shang-Chi or even another martial artist hero (on the off-chance that Shang-Chi might appear in the movies or something someday) appear as a unambiguously heroic character who is TheAce and makes Danny feel inadequate.
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