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The call Iduna made when holding Agnar was later used to call Elsa to Ahtohallan. For a child with a dying friend in her arms it wouldn't be that strange to make such a promise if those fairytales are known to her. Does any fairytale of Hans Christian Andersen contain such a plot?

[[WMG: Supernatural beings seem to be glad to save everyone for a firstborn.]]

Anna's doomed romance with Hans showed the problems of FourthDateMarriage and LoveAtFirstSight, and she's certainly learned from it. In a sequel, another flaw in traditional Disney logic will be taken apart: BlackAndWhiteMorality, something that was touched upon in the first movie but never really explored. Then there’s Hans, who has been confirmed as a TragicVillain. In a “Redemption of Hans storyline” Anna, in her innocence and heartbreak, will have a downplayed case of BlackAndWhiteInsanity, and initially see Hans as a heartless monster beyond hope]]. Her [[AnAesop personal lesson]] will be about the existence of grey morality, and that people are never just one thing.

* Queen Iduna, the mother of Elsa and Anna, had a RagsToRoyalty story, since she was "a child of the Northern Nomads" (as quoted in the Broadway version), and is probably one of the Northuldra explored in Frozen II ,who may represent those of Sami origin. In the teaser trailer, a girl who may be Iduna ''before'' she becomes royal also wears the [[ColorMotif colour purple]] - is this SymbolMotifClothing hinting that, since SupernaturalIsPurple, she may have an unexplored magical ability?

* A LivingShadow or Elsa's ShadowArchetype (''Literature/TheShadow'')

While I don't know if the creators would ever incorporate his redemption, I thought of a scene where Hans finally realizes what Anna meant by having a "frozen heart." Although he's banned from Arendelle, he secretly slips back in. Why he's there isn't explained, but it's implied he did want to meet with Anna. But whatever his motivation, when he notes how the sisters, Kristoff, and Olaf found happiness despite a modest appearance, Hans at last understands how worthless and miserable his own life has been in comparison to them, and turns back in sadness.

* The film will be released in November 2019- six years after the original film ''WesternAnimation/{{Frozen|2013}}''. It also happens to be six years in-universe (the [[ExtyYearsFromNow "Three Years Later"]]subtitle in ''Frozen'' before the coronation scene, and a TimeSkip of three years after Frozen) since the parents' ship sank.

[[WMG: This might be the last full-length Frozen movie due to not wanting to risk any future movies seeming like a cash grab rather than DoingItForTheArt... but there may be shorts and/or a TV series instead.]]

* A villain song. If Hans' father is the BigBad, the king will have a chance to sing. His song would probably be about [[{{Hypocrite}} how Hans is a disgrace to someone so "perfect and absolute"]] [[BlatantLies while blatant examples of his cruelty to people are shown.]] Like Hans in "Love is an Open Door", the king's greatness is fake, except far more so with his tone and expressions. It'll be more like "[[WesternAnimation/{{Tangled}} Mother Knows Best]]" or the first portion of "[[WesternAnimation/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame Out There]]", where the respective villains Gothel and Frollo act like supporting parents while clear signs of their abuse and wickedness are shown towards Rapunzel and Quasimodo, respectively.

-->'''Character''': [[ConverseError Because]] only [[DisneyVillainDeath the bad guy falls to their death]], plus it's only at the climax. It's barely the second act. ''(Looks to where the sounds of Hans calling out in pain are coming from)'' And he's still alive... ''barely''.

[[WMG: Choosing a name for Frozen 2]]

We have little idea of the real plot of Frozen 2, but it is known that the sequel will not exactly be titled Frozen 2. It may, however, be left as the stylised ''Frozen II ''. Here are some ideas for the film's full name (remember these are just for fun!):
The first seven feature the Danish, Norwegian and Icelandic languages.
%% Anyone who fluently speaks these languages, please correct if needed!
* Frozen Fantastisk (Fantastic Frozen)
* Få Frozen (Get Frozen)
* Flere Frozen (More Frozen)
* Frozen, om efteråret (Frozen, in autumn)
* Frozen Vegvísir (Icelandic, refers to the snowflake-like compass of the film poster)
* Frozen II: Til Nordøst!(Danish meaning To North East!) The north-east (top-right) diamond on the Frozen II poster represents an aspect that has not really been covered in the Frozen franchise: ''giants''!
* Frozen II: Gå nordpå! (Go North, in the words of Grand Pabbie the troll)
* Frozen II: It's Freezing!
* Fondly Frozen
* Frozen: Freezing Forest
* Frozen in Autumn
* A Frozen Forage
* Frozen II: Reynisfjara to The Enchanted Forest
* Frozen II: Climate Catastrophe
* Frozen II: The Voyagers
* Frozen Wanderers
* Frozen II: Worldwide Wanders
* Frozen Freedom
* Frozen Fearless
* Frozen Fragments (or Fragments of Frozen)
* Frozen Fireworks
* Frozen Fireflies
* Frozen & Fossilized
* Fleecy Frozen
* Faithfully Frozen
* Frozen Freewheeling
* Frozen Figures
* Frozen II: Icy Ideas
* Frozen II: Arendelle and the Northuldra
* Freezing
* Frozen: Freeze-Thaw
* Frozen Inferno (Assuming the presence of fire-based magic or even a fire-breathing dragon)
* Frozen II: Letting Go
* Frozen: Freedom All Around! (Referring to lyrics in Let it Go "Frozen fractals all around!")
* Frozen: Strange Magic
* Frozen in Time
* Frozen: It's Freezing!
* Frozen: Fuego! (Spanish for Fire)
* Frozen II: Icy Giants
* Frozen II: The Elemental Extraordinaire
* Frozen Fusion
* Frozen II: Icy Life
* Frozen II: Finding Ahtohallan
* Frozen II: Fractals of Arendelle
* Frozen II: Beyond Arendelle
* Frozen II: The Secret of Arendelle (which has been confirmed to be the Italian title)
** Perhaps Jossed. It's called Frozen 2 (Frozen II in Roman numerals). However, it might have a full title, so there's still a possibility.

* Mostly {{Jossed}}. Elsa doesn't take on a disguise in Frozen II, and her hair hasn't turned brown due to a "power cut" just yet in the Frozen franchise! She ''does'' take inspiration from Iduna's earlier childhood by staying in the Enchanted Forest with the Northuldra, just ''after'' her reign instead of long before like her mother.

* {{Jossed}}. Anna never shows any signs of fire power in the movie, Kristen Bell confirmed her sole power is still her heart.

* {{Jossed}}. Elsa is actually the one who gets her own sidekick - two, actually (Bruni the fire salamander and the Nokk), while Olaf seems closer to Anna, Anna being shown taking care of him throughout the film and [[spoiler:him staying in Arendelle with her after Elsa moves to the Enchanted Forest.]] In previous canon, too, Anna interacts with Olaf more, although marketing likes to put him with Elsa due to them being the most marketable characters.

In comparison to Anna, Elsa remembers so much more about life when their parents were around, since with her delicate powers, she obviously needed much more attention. She refers to her parents in ''Olaf's Frozen Adventure'' and the non-canonical ''Lego Frozen Magic of the Northern Lights'' short films. Though both sisters may wish for their parents to return, Elsa is certain that they are alive somewhere.

However, it is confirmed that the Dark Sea beach was directly inspired by Reynisfjara Beach in Iceland (from the Art of Frozen II book).

* Familial Love: Of course this will be of high importance throughout the Frozen franchise! The relationship between Elsa and Anna becomes stronger, and they learn to live as a family with Olaf, Kristoff and Sven, and the whole of Arendelle. They even go beyond their hometown. Also, they will mention their life with their parents, and the help that Kai and Gerda (the two servants) provided them with. The idea of family will stay at the heart of the film.

One of the most memorable event in the movie is Elsa being frozen solid in Ahtohallan, something which has been foreshadowed earlier: ''Dive down deep into her sound, but not too far or you'll be drowned''. Now, something is off with that sentence: You'll be drowned. Not you '''will drown''', you '''will be drowned'''. Taking that into account, it may be that Elsa is frozen not because the Ahtohallan well is ''that'' cold, but some unseen force decides to freeze Elsa then and there lest she messes up something.\\\

One of the most memorable thing in the movie is that in Ahtohallan, [[spoiler:Elsa is frozen solid]], something which has been foreshadowed earlier: [[spoiler:Dive down deep into her sound, but not too far or you'll be drowned]]. Now, something is off with that sentence: [[spoiler:You'll be drowned. Not you '''will drown''', you '''will be drowned''']]. Taking that into account, it may be that [[spoiler:Elsa is frozen not because the Ahtohallan well is ''that'' cold, but some unseen force decides to freeze Elsa then and there lest she messes up something.]]\\\
Now, why would [[spoiler:the Ahtohallan well]] be so concerned about Elsa? What if [[spoiler:the memories in Ahtohallan is connected to the actual memories remembered by people outside, and physically mucking with these memories can cause them to become distorted or erased, in turn making people forget those memories exist or some worse problems]]? Elsa shatters a memory of Hans down in Ahtohallan, possibly causing [[spoiler:the Ahtohallan well to register her as a hazard if she doesn't reign in her curiosity]], and thus [[spoiler:Elsa is frozen solid before she could act upon seeing the memory of Runeard killing the Northuldra chief, preventing a memory-related disaster whatever it is. Of course by then, the memory of Hans has been broken; who knows what happens to people who know him, or soon rather, used to know him?]]

While I don't know if the creators would ever incorporat his redemption, I thought of a scene where Hans finally realizes what Anna meant by having a "frozen heart." Although he's banned from Arendelle, he secretly slips back in. Why he's there isn't explained, but it's implied he did want to meet with Anna. But whatever his motivation, when he notes how the sisters, Kristoff, and Olaf found happiness despite a modest appearance, Hans at last understands how worthless and miserable his own life has been in comparison to them, and turns back in sadness.

** Also, since they both know very well that Elsa powers don't just come from her hands, it doesn't make much sense for the parents to make those kinds of shackles specifically for her.

A white-haired, blue-eyed Norwegian with a love of the outdoors and an aversion to marriage, who spent his entire life brokering peace and exploring the unknown whilst unbothered by the cold... guess he took after his mother.

* What if Yelana is Samantha's mother, and Samantha is Kristoff's mother, but neither of them realised this in Frozen II? They do share a similar eye colour too. Olaf may have sensed that Samantha was from the Enchanted Forest, but since Kristoff barely got to know his mother, his family history is rather unknown to him, apart from that his father was nicknamed 'Mountain Man' and was likely an ice harvester.

* Samantha may even be Iduna's cousin (so Yelana, Honeymaren and Ryder could be siblings or Yelana is their cousin). Perhaps she is a little bit younger than Iduna by a few years. It is possible that the Northuldra could have left the forest before the mist wall formed, so maybe Samantha left with her father to the outskirts of Arendelle, or even the Southern Isles or Weselton. She met an ice harester and soon had Kristoff, but for some unforseen circumstance, she had to escape from wherever she was, leaving Kristoff behind. Who knows?

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[[WMG:Arendelle is a de facto city-state]]
While the map shows Arendelle's borders covering a wider area, the palace and capital city are treated as effectively being the entire kingdom. That, combined with what we saw of the outlying areas in the first film, suggests most of the kingdom's territory outside the fjord consists mostly of sparsely inhabited wilderness that is only nominally claimed by Arendelle, not effectively controlled by it.
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[[WMG: Elsa will have one son: Fridtjof Nansen]]
A white-haired, blue-eyed Norwegian with a love of the outdoors and an aversion to marriage, who spent his entire life brokering peace and exploring the unknown whilst unbothered by the cold... guess he took after his mother.
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