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** In "Momentum Deferred" Olivia says she doesn't want any tea, then there's a timeslip with a quick shot of her raising the glass to her mouth. She presumably drank the tea, and the soul magnets, during that timeslip.
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* Leading to the world's most epic, "Hey, where ya been?"
* Given that Peter needs to have a baby with BlueOlivia, this looks increasingly likely.
* Given that Peter needs to have a baby with BlueOlivia, this looks increasingly likely.
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* Leading to the world's most epic, "Hey, where ya been?"
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* Given that Peter needs to have a baby with BlueOlivia, this looks increasinglylikely.
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* Given that Peter needs to have a baby with BlueOlivia, this looks increasingly
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The Company is a Division of Massive Dynamic.
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The Company is a Division of Massive Dynamic.
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An alien species of bald guys that simply watch and are not supposed to interfere... Of course Uatu is much bigger than your typical Observer so the Observers must be his [[MiniMook Mini Mooks]].
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An alien species of bald guys that simply watch and are not supposed to interfere... Of course Uatu is much bigger than your typical Observer so the Observers must be his [[MiniMook Mini Mooks]].
Mooks]].
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* So far the only powers she ever manifests are Telekinesis, pyrokinesis and greater control over universe crossing.
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* So far the only powers she ever manifests are Telekinesis, pyrokinesis and greater control over universe crossing.
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*** Actually, [[spoiler: Jossed by "The Last Sam Weiss". He has the same name but claims that there is more than one Sam Weiss.]]
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*** Actually, [[spoiler: Jossed by "The Last Sam Weiss". He has the same name but claims that there is more than one Sam Weiss.]] ]]
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He's cheated death before (recovery from decapitation anybody?). Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Newton would be around to stare balefully at Fauxlivia as she is exposed, MagnificentBastard that he is.
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He's cheated death before (recovery from decapitation anybody?). Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Newton would be around to stare balefully at Fauxlivia as she is exposed, MagnificentBastard that he is.
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* Or Walter is a timetraveler and he semi-consciously knows stuff about Peter. Furthermore his time-space destination is the fateful day/night when the laboratory is burned, but thanks to his intervention the fire is started and secondly the Walter from the future was imprisoned to the penitentiary, the old Walter is somehow dead...
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* Or Walter is a timetraveler and he semi-consciously knows stuff about Peter. Furthermore his time-space destination is the fateful day/night when the laboratory is burned, but thanks to his intervention the fire is started and secondly the Walter from the future was imprisoned to the penitentiary, the old Walter is somehow dead...
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*** And as far as Abrams is concerned, [[WordOfGod all his works are in the same universe.]] Note the recurring Slusho.
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*** And as far as Abrams is concerned, [[WordOfGod all his works are in the same universe.]] Note the recurring Slusho.
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** Walter hid some of his old classified stuff at "Harkness" Library...
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** Walter hid some of his old classified stuff at "Harkness" Library...
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* It's possible that the reason the ''{{Fringe}}'' universe allows such bizarre science is because its physical laws have been altered by contact with matter from the other universe, where those laws are clearly different, given their advanced use of impossible technologies. This is the basic premise of {{Isaac Asimov}}'s ''The Gods Themselves'', and ''Fringe'' has already referenced classic sci-fi on several occasions.
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* It's possible that the reason the ''{{Fringe}}'' universe allows such bizarre science is because its physical laws have been altered by contact with matter from the other universe, where those laws are clearly different, given their advanced use of impossible technologies. This is the basic premise of {{Isaac Asimov}}'s Creator/IsaacAsimov's ''The Gods Themselves'', and ''Fringe'' has already referenced classic sci-fi on several occasions.
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* While rewatching the first season in preparation for the second, This Troper had an idea at the end of "Inner Child": What if The Observer is the future of that kid, who traveled back in time for some reason? At the end of the episode, they share a strange moment...
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* While rewatching the first season in preparation for the second, This Troper had an idea at the end of "Inner Child": What if The Observer is the future of that kid, who traveled back in time for some reason? At the end of the episode, they share a strange moment...
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* And as far as Abrams is concerned, [[WordOfGod all his works are in the same universe.]] Note the recurring Slusho.
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* And as far as Abrams is concerned, [[WordOfGod all his works are in the same universe.]] Note the recurring Slusho.
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* {{Jossed}}. It just ''really'' messed up his face and forced him to wear bandages to cover his decaying flesh.
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* {{Jossed}}. It just ''really'' messed up his face and forced him to wear bandages to cover his decaying flesh.
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At the same time this exchange of information made the Observer question his mission and he goes rogue. He's now trying to keep his own people from invading, sending the probes back before they can call 'home' and watching what is going on.
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At the same time this exchange of information made the Observer question his mission and he goes rogue. He's now trying to keep his own people from invading, sending the probes back before they can call 'home' and watching what is going on.
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[[spoiler: Other!Walter witnessed his son's abduction by Walter but was unable to stop it. Although he was overcome with grief, Other!Walter managed to keep a clear head and realize that a meeting of two universes would lead to the detruction of one of them. He wrote down the ZFT Manifesto and spread it around, using his research to create an army to forcibly ensure his world's survival. He has been behind every single Pattern event. While Other!Walter is very determined to make sure he succeeds in his mission, he is also secretly working to reunite with Peter and take him back home. He is unaware of William Bell hiding out in his universe.]]
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[[spoiler: Other!Walter witnessed his son's abduction by Walter but was unable to stop it. Although he was overcome with grief, Other!Walter managed to keep a clear head and realize that a meeting of two universes would lead to the detruction of one of them. He wrote down the ZFT Manifesto and spread it around, using his research to create an army to forcibly ensure his world's survival. He has been behind every single Pattern event. While Other!Walter is very determined to make sure he succeeds in his mission, he is also secretly working to reunite with Peter and take him back home. He is unaware of William Bell hiding out in his universe.]] ]]
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[[WMG: On a related [[IncrediblyLamePun note]], Christine Hollis is [[Manga/DeathNote Misa]].]]
Kinda goth girl who's got extra-dimensional beings crushing on and [[spoiler: willing to die for her]] for absolutely no reason? Check.
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[[WMG: On a related [[IncrediblyLamePun note]], Christine Hollis is [[Manga/DeathNote Misa]].]]
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Kinda goth girl who's got extra-dimensional beings crushing on and [[spoiler: willing to die for her]] for absolutely no reason?Check.
Check.
Kinda goth girl who's got extra-dimensional beings crushing on and [[spoiler: willing to die for her]] for absolutely no reason?
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* Sadly, sadly Jossed. We see Astrid's father later on in the series.
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* Sadly, sadly Jossed. We see Astrid's father later on in the series.
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* The writers have said that Season 3 is going to be half 'This Side' and half 'The Other Side', meaning HALF of Season 3 is going to be with the alternate, military Fringe Division.
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* The writers have said that Season 3 is going to be half 'This Side' and half 'The Other Side', meaning HALF of Season 3 is going to be with the alternate, military Fringe Division.
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The increased militarization and regimentation in the alternate universe is partly a response to this. Evidence: we know the White House was damaged or destroyed on 9/11/2001 instead of the Twin Towers.
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The increased militarization and regimentation in the alternate universe is partly a response to this. Evidence: we know the White House was damaged or destroyed on 9/11/2001 instead of the Twin Towers.
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** [[CrowningMomentOfFunny high!Peter seems to think so.]]
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** [[CrowningMomentOfFunny high!Peter seems to think so.]]
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* The yet unnamed recent arrival... [[spoiler: Baby Bishop.]] During "Bloodline," [[spoiler: Fauxlivia was given an orange coloured drug.]] Cortexiphan is orange. Walternate and Alternate Brandon were having another pretty heated argument about using cortexiphan on children. [[spoiler: Walternate put Alternate Brandon in charge of saving/kidnapping Fauxlivia.]] Do the math.
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* The yet unnamed recent arrival... [[spoiler: Baby Bishop.]] During "Bloodline," [[spoiler: Fauxlivia was given an orange coloured drug.]] Cortexiphan is orange. Walternate and Alternate Brandon were having another pretty heated argument about using cortexiphan on children. [[spoiler: Walternate put Alternate Brandon in charge of saving/kidnapping Fauxlivia.]] Do the math.
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* Walter did experiments with LSD that resulted in a woman basically revealing the existence of shape-shifters. Broyles' trippy little "death followed me" speech was actually {{Foreshadowing}} and "Lysergic Acid Diethylamide" will become the epitome of HarsherInHindsight.
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* Walter did experiments with LSD that resulted in a woman basically revealing the existence of shape-shifters. Broyles' trippy little "death followed me" speech was actually {{Foreshadowing}} and "Lysergic Acid Diethylamide" will become the epitome of HarsherInHindsight.
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** I took it to meant that Peter was channelling both versions of himself. He went to a numanist (dead!Peter collected coins) but he believed Walternate was his father (technically true for alive!Peter). IMHO, this foreshadowed his joining the two universes at the end of "The Day We Died".
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** I took it to meant that Peter was channelling both versions of himself. He went to a numanist (dead!Peter collected coins) but he believed Walternate was his father (technically true for alive!Peter). IMHO, this foreshadowed his joining the two universes at the end of "The Day We Died".
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* Walter is a shut-in in his lab.
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* Walter is a shut-in in his lab.
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** Olivia killed her stepfather.
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** Olivia killed her stepfather.
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** There was no Cortexiphan Brigade of Peter-rescuers because not only did Peter not exist as an adult, None of the Cortexiphan children were discovered by Fringe team.
** Alt-Broyles is still alive because of this.
** Alt-Broyles is still alive because of this.
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** There was no Cortexiphan Brigade of Peter-rescuers because not only did Peter not exist as an adult, None of the Cortexiphan children were discovered by Fringe team.
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** Alt-Broyles is still alive because of this.
** Alt-Broyles is still alive because of this.
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** Similarly, Fauxlivia never seduced Peter and thus never got pregnant by him, and thus her relationship with Frank is still around.
* Peter died when the ice cracked after Walter brought him back to our universe.
* Bridge between universes was created when Walternate turned on the machine, rather than because of Peter's choice.
* None of the Cortexiphan cases happened, as evidenced in "Subject 9" when the titular character asks about others and is told that he's the first one Fringe Team has found.
* Peter died when the ice cracked after Walter brought him back to our universe.
* Bridge between universes was created when Walternate turned on the machine, rather than because of Peter's choice.
* None of the Cortexiphan cases happened, as evidenced in "Subject 9" when the titular character asks about others and is told that he's the first one Fringe Team has found.
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** Similarly, Fauxlivia never seduced Peter and thus never got pregnant by him, and thus her relationship with Frank is still around.
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* Peter died when the ice cracked after Walter brought him back to ouruniverse.
universe.
* Bridge between universes was created when Walternate turned on the machine, rather than because of Peter'schoice.
choice.
* None of the Cortexiphan cases happened, as evidenced in "Subject 9" when the titular character asks about others and is told that he's the first one Fringe Team has found.
* Peter died when the ice cracked after Walter brought him back to our
* Bridge between universes was created when Walternate turned on the machine, rather than because of Peter's
* None of the Cortexiphan cases happened, as evidenced in "Subject 9" when the titular character asks about others and is told that he's the first one Fringe Team has found.
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* Olivia's cortexiphan abilities have been reset; she hasn't been activated. Based on that Olivia is back to wearing color- Olivia would wear navy suits and light blue or rust red shirts in Season 1 before being activated.
** Confirmed: None of the cortexiphan children were activated, as Olivia ran away during the events of "Subject 13" because Peter wasn't there to get her to confide in Walter, and because of her escape the trials were simply ended inconclusively.
*** Actually, the trials ended ''years'' after Olivia left, perhaps due to the fact that Walter had lost both Peters. It's not explicitly stated that the trials ended because she ran away.
** Confirmed: None of the cortexiphan children were activated, as Olivia ran away during the events of "Subject 13" because Peter wasn't there to get her to confide in Walter, and because of her escape the trials were simply ended inconclusively.
*** Actually, the trials ended ''years'' after Olivia left, perhaps due to the fact that Walter had lost both Peters. It's not explicitly stated that the trials ended because she ran away.
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* Olivia's cortexiphan abilities have been reset; she hasn't been activated. Based on that Olivia is back to wearing color- Olivia would wear navy suits and light blue or rust red shirts in Season 1 before being activated.
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** Confirmed: None of the cortexiphan children were activated, as Olivia ran away during the events of "Subject 13" because Peter wasn't there to get her to confide in Walter, and because of her escape the trials were simply endedinconclusively.
inconclusively.
*** Actually, the trials ended ''years'' after Olivia left, perhaps due to the fact that Walter had lost both Peters. It's not explicitly stated that the trials ended because she ran away.
** Confirmed: None of the cortexiphan children were activated, as Olivia ran away during the events of "Subject 13" because Peter wasn't there to get her to confide in Walter, and because of her escape the trials were simply ended
*** Actually, the trials ended ''years'' after Olivia left, perhaps due to the fact that Walter had lost both Peters. It's not explicitly stated that the trials ended because she ran away.
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* Walter never talked him into "making the girl significant", so he never died. And because he didn't sacrifice himself, she died. And somehow, he's the one that [[spoiler: brings Peter back.]]
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* Walter never talked him into "making the girl significant", so he never died. And because he didn't sacrifice himself, she died. And somehow, he's the one that [[spoiler: brings Peter back.]] ]]
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** I don't know. Since they are unaffected by the timeline change, August's death probably still holds.
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** I don't know. Since they are unaffected by the timeline change, August's death probably still holds.
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[[WMG: While the alternate universe in general no longer acts as the BigBad, Walternate has personally stepped up his game.]]
Walternate's just hiding a new set of truths, and the Red 'Verse Fringe Division is still in the dark about Walternate's activities and the true nature of the two universes. Which informs the next WMG ...
[[WMG: Walternate cloned Red!Peter after his disappearance (or even before).]]
In [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcz47s3jzSM&feature=player_embedded this preview]] for "Back To Where You've Never Been", there's a blue flash at 0:37, right after Walternate says "Not everything is as it seems." If you freeze the video, it shows a room with eight vertical tanks. They each appear to contain an adult human male in some kind of stasis (the figures in fluid and fitted with breathing apparatus). Peter's illness was genetic; Walternate was working on a cure; therefore, Walternate doubtless had Peter's genetic information on file. It's hardly out of the question that he would make use of it.
Walternate's just hiding a new set of truths, and the Red 'Verse Fringe Division is still in the dark about Walternate's activities and the true nature of the two universes. Which informs the next WMG ...
[[WMG: Walternate cloned Red!Peter after his disappearance (or even before).]]
In [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcz47s3jzSM&feature=player_embedded this preview]] for "Back To Where You've Never Been", there's a blue flash at 0:37, right after Walternate says "Not everything is as it seems." If you freeze the video, it shows a room with eight vertical tanks. They each appear to contain an adult human male in some kind of stasis (the figures in fluid and fitted with breathing apparatus). Peter's illness was genetic; Walternate was working on a cure; therefore, Walternate doubtless had Peter's genetic information on file. It's hardly out of the question that he would make use of it.
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[[WMG: While the alternate universe in general no longer acts as the BigBad, Walternate has personally stepped up his game.]]
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Walternate's just hiding a new set of truths, and the Red 'Verse Fringe Division is still in the dark about Walternate's activities and the true nature of the two universes. Which informs the nextWMG ...
WMG ...
[[WMG: Walternate cloned Red!Peter after his disappearance (or even before).]]
]]
In [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcz47s3jzSM&feature=player_embedded this preview]] for "Back To Where You've Never Been", there's a blue flash at 0:37, right after Walternate says "Not everything is as it seems." If you freeze the video, it shows a room with eight vertical tanks. They each appear to contain an adult human male in some kind of stasis (the figures in fluid and fitted with breathing apparatus). Peter's illness was genetic; Walternate was working on a cure; therefore, Walternate doubtless had Peter's genetic information on file. It's hardly out of the question that he would make use of it.
Walternate's just hiding a new set of truths, and the Red 'Verse Fringe Division is still in the dark about Walternate's activities and the true nature of the two universes. Which informs the next
[[WMG: Walternate cloned Red!Peter after his disappearance (or even before).
In [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcz47s3jzSM&feature=player_embedded this preview]] for "Back To Where You've Never Been", there's a blue flash at 0:37, right after Walternate says "Not everything is as it seems." If you freeze the video, it shows a room with eight vertical tanks. They each appear to contain an adult human male in some kind of stasis (the figures in fluid and fitted with breathing apparatus). Peter's illness was genetic; Walternate was working on a cure; therefore, Walternate doubtless had Peter's genetic information on file. It's hardly out of the question that he would make use of it.
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* What?
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* What? What?
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*** Concise Troper is concise, and thank heavens for that.
* Partially Jossed in that they were explained, partially confirmed in that they are humans from one of many possible futures. Didn't say anything about the Singularity, though, just that they had the tech for travel through and outside of time, and that they liked observing important events.
* Partially Jossed in that they were explained, partially confirmed in that they are humans from one of many possible futures. Didn't say anything about the Singularity, though, just that they had the tech for travel through and outside of time, and that they liked observing important events.
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*** Concise Troper is concise, and thank heavens for that.
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* Partially Jossed in that they were explained, partially confirmed in that they are humans from one of many possible futures. Didn't say anything about the Singularity, though, just that they had the tech for travel through and outside of time, and that they liked observing importantevents.
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* Partially Jossed in that they were explained, partially confirmed in that they are humans from one of many possible futures. Didn't say anything about the Singularity, though, just that they had the tech for travel through and outside of time, and that they liked observing important
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* Pretty sure they would have changed the actor ''or'' the suit, but not both.
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* Pretty sure they would have changed the actor ''or'' the suit, but not both.
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* Does he know about the Observers? IIRC, Amber!Jones is pursuing the same thing as Blue!Jones in the first season, who was activating all the other Cortexiphan kids he could track down. However, I am intrigued at the idea that Olivia could be a precursor of the people who eventually become the Observers.
[[WMG: September will play an important part in the season/series finale.]]
We've seen him die/get whisked away/whatever, but we haven't seen how he got injured. Five'll get you ten it happens during the inevitable season-ending showdown.
[[WMG: September will play an important part in the season/series finale.]]
We've seen him die/get whisked away/whatever, but we haven't seen how he got injured. Five'll get you ten it happens during the inevitable season-ending showdown.
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* Does he know about the Observers? IIRC, Amber!Jones is pursuing the same thing as Blue!Jones in the first season, who was activating all the other Cortexiphan kids he could track down. However, I am intrigued at the idea that Olivia could be a precursor of the people who eventually become the Observers.
Observers.
[[WMG: September will play an important part in the season/series finale.]]
]]
We've seen him die/get whisked away/whatever, but we haven't seen how he got injured. Five'll get you ten it happens during the inevitable season-endingshowdown.
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[[WMG: September will play an important part in the season/series finale.
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* She was nowhere to be seen in Letters Of Transit and September's words tend to come true when you least expect it.
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* She was nowhere to be seen in Letters Of Transit and September's words tend to come true when you least expect it.
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*** Peter and Fauxlivia's child was a boy named Henry.
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[[WMG: Olivia's will die in Season 5]]
* She was nowhere to be seen in Letters Of Transit and September's words tend to come true when you least expect it.
* She was nowhere to be seen in Letters Of Transit and September's words tend to come true when you least expect it.
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[[WMG: Fringe is in the same universe as ''StarTrek'']]
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[[WMG: Fringe is in the same universe as ''StarTrek'']]''Franchise/StarTrek'']]
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* Fringe takes place in a parallel universe to StarTrek. Walter's research in that universe led to the Eugenics Wars.
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* Fringe takes place in a parallel universe to StarTrek.Franchise/StarTrek. Walter's research in that universe led to the Eugenics Wars.
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[[WMG: The other universe is the StarTrek universe.]]
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[[WMG: The other universe is the StarTrek Franchise/StarTrek universe.]]
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* If the Alternative Universe is the ''StarTrek'' ''Franchise/StarTrek'' timeline then would that make the main (Blue) verse the Mirror Universe timeline?
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** [[spoiler: You called it.]]
[[WMG: William Bell ''knew'' that Olivia was left behind in the other universe in Season 2.]]
* He needed to activate her abilities.
[[WMG: William Bell ''knew'' that Olivia was left behind in the other universe in Season 2.]]
* He needed to activate her abilities.
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[[WMG: This season will end with a RevivalLoophole being pulled]]
September said Olivia needs to die. He didn't say she cant come back.
September said Olivia needs to die. He didn't say she cant come back.
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* [[spoiler: This is the ultimate goal of William Bell and David Robert Jones.]]
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** [[spoiler: Well... eventually.]]
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*** [[spoiler: I... think you called it.]]
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** [[spoiler: Letters of Transit pretty much proves this, although not for those reasons.]]
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It makes perfect sense. It makes perfect sense. Crazy mad scientist, action girl whose alternate-universe counterpart has red hair, scientist's relative whose unusual birth circumstances grant him an important ability, the only non-white people are the bureaucrat and the mad scientist's assistant. Clearly Gene will be revealed to be behind the entire series.
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It makes perfect sense. It makes perfect sense. Crazy mad scientist, action girl whose alternate-universe counterpart has red hair, scientist's relative whose unusual birth circumstances grant him an important ability, the only non-white people are the bureaucrat and the mad scientist's assistant. Clearly Gene will be revealed to be behind the entire series.
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[[WMG: Fringe is a darker and edgier retelling of Futurama]]
It makes perfect sense. It makes perfect sense. Crazy mad scientist, action girl whose alternate-universe counterpart has red hair, scientist's relative whose unusual birth circumstances grant him an important ability, the only non-white people are the bureaucrat and the mad scientist's assistant. Clearly Gene will be revealed to be behind the entire series.
It makes perfect sense. It makes perfect sense. Crazy mad scientist, action girl whose alternate-universe counterpart has red hair, scientist's relative whose unusual birth circumstances grant him an important ability, the only non-white people are the bureaucrat and the mad scientist's assistant. Clearly Gene will be revealed to be behind the entire series.
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[[WMG: The Observers are outcasts in their society who want to find a way to fix the world of their time]]
* The Observers managed to avoid becoming SenseFreak's like the rest of their society as shown in Letters of Transit and have used that to allow themselves to be able to travel back in time to observe events related to the pattern which could give them technology and knowledge of how the world was wrecked and how to fix it, provided that they don't interfere and change the future.
* The Observers managed to avoid becoming SenseFreak's like the rest of their society as shown in Letters of Transit and have used that to allow themselves to be able to travel back in time to observe events related to the pattern which could give them technology and knowledge of how the world was wrecked and how to fix it, provided that they don't interfere and change the future.
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*** Etta's ability might come from Olivia recently being injected with Cortexiphan.
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** Further Evidence: Etta can prevent herself from being "read" by the Observers (if the timeline wasn't reset, then maybe she has this ability because her father was Redverse Peter who appeared in the Amber Timeline, a man from "outside time" somewhat like the Observers themselves.)
*** If in the Amber Timeline the Observers can read Peter, the above presumption would be Jossed, but "Letters" could still have shown the Amber Timeline's future.
*** If in the Amber Timeline the Observers can read Peter, the above presumption would be Jossed, but "Letters" could still have shown the Amber Timeline's future.
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** Evidence: In "The End of All Things," September told Peter that he was a member of a scientific observation team, and that September was a code name. Captain Windmark (Wenmoc?) and the other Observers in the year 2036 do not behave like detached scientists on a research mission. They take a much more active role by subjugating the human "natives." They also appear to enjoy parties and loose women.
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** Evidence: In "The End of All Things," September told Peter that he was a member of a scientific observation team, and that September was a code name. Captain Windmark (Wenmoc?) and the other Observers in the year 2036 do not behave like detached scientists on a research mission. They take a much more active role by subjugating the human "natives." They also appear to enjoy parties and loose women. They also lack the distinctive odd cadence to their speech that the previous Observers displayed (though maybe this comes from living alongside modern-day humans for 20 years). Walter himself even says "They're not all bad. One of them, called September, tried to help us." Perhaps the "Scientific Team" represents a different political or cultural faction of future posthumans than the Observers who took over the world in 2015?
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The young observer child is not the only such being. The G-Man in that episode reported that they had found "another" one, with the implication that similar children had been found elsewhere. Such children will inherit the world and one day create an Observer civilization in this universe. However, in another universe, this has already happened. And the Observers from that accelerated universe are invading or preparing to invade ours.
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The young observer child is not the only such being. The G-Man in that episode reported that they had found "another" one, with the implication that similar children had been found elsewhere. The child and others like him are mutant humans with genetic traits that future apocalyptic events will select for in Darwinian fashion. Such children will inherit the world and one day create an Observer civilization in this universe. However, in another universe, this has already happened. And the Observers from that accelerated universe are invading or preparing to invade ours.
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** I thought this was {{Jossed}} is Seasons 2 and 3, but now, with the latest Season 4 episode, "Letters of Transit," this theory might actually still be valid, at least in that timeline, if not others. So the Observers are actually from one (or more?) possible futures, not just an evolutionarily accelerated parallel world (though that's basically a minor point). But they are planning to invade, or at some point decide to stop observing and take over because their own Future Earth can no longer support life. It's still possible that the mysterious Child from Season 1 and others like him are the Observers' direct ancestors.
** I thought this was {{Jossed}} is Seasons 2 and 3, but now, with the latest Season 4 episode, "Letters of Transit," this theory might actually still be valid, at least in that timeline, if not others. So the Observers are actually from one (or more?) possible futures, not just an evolutionarily accelerated parallel world (though that's basically a minor point). But they are planning to invade, or at some point decide to stop observing and take over because their own Future Earth can no longer support life. It's still possible that the mysterious Child from Season 1 and others like him are the Observers' direct ancestors.
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[[WMG: Theories regarding the Future of 2036 AD shown in the episode "Letters of Transit" go here]]
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* William Bell traveled through time to the year 2015:
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* Amber-Timeline William Bell traveled forward through time to the year 2015:2015, where he got ambered with the rest of the original Fringe Team:
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** Evidence: In "The End of All Things," September told Peter that he was a member of a scientific observation team, and that September was a code name. Captain Windmark (Wenmoc?) and the other Observers in the year 2036 do not behave like detached scientists on a research mission. They take a much more active role by subjugating the human "natives." They appear to enjoy parties and loose women.
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** Evidence: In "The End of All Things," September told Peter that he was a member of a scientific observation team, and that September was a code name. Captain Windmark (Wenmoc?) and the other Observers in the year 2036 do not behave like detached scientists on a research mission. They take a much more active role by subjugating the human "natives." They also appear to enjoy parties and loose women.
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* Resetting the Timeline from Blue to Amber resulted in the future shown in "Letters of Transit."
* Resetting the Timeline from Amber to Blue resulted in the future shown in "Letters of Transit."
* Resetting the Timeline from Amber to something else entirely (not Blue) resulted in the future shown in "Letters of Transit."
* If the future shown in "Letters of Transit" is explored further in Season 5, the show will focus on the similarities between that future and the present of the Redverse:
** Rationing. Environmental degradation. Coffee unavailable except as some kind of chewable substitute. A war with an extradimensional foe. Also, now that a particular piece of Walter's brain has been restored, I would not be surprised if 2036-Walter shows more and more signs of becoming like Walternate. The Fringe Division certainly seemed to see Walter as a new hope for the human race, possibly even a potential leader, like his Redverse counterpart, the Secretary of Defense and leader of Redverse Fringe Division.
* Resetting the Timeline from Blue to Amber resulted in the future shown in "Letters of Transit."
* Resetting the Timeline from Amber to Blue resulted in the future shown in "Letters of Transit."
* Resetting the Timeline from Amber to something else entirely (not Blue) resulted in the future shown in "Letters of Transit."
* If the future shown in "Letters of Transit" is explored further in Season 5, the show will focus on the similarities between that future and the present of the Redverse:
** Rationing. Environmental degradation. Coffee unavailable except as some kind of chewable substitute. A war with an extradimensional foe. Also, now that a particular piece of Walter's brain has been restored, I would not be surprised if 2036-Walter shows more and more signs of becoming like Walternate. The Fringe Division certainly seemed to see Walter as a new hope for the human race, possibly even a potential leader, like his Redverse counterpart, the Secretary of Defense and leader of Redverse Fringe Division.
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* "Letters of Transit" is the future of the original, Blue/Red Timeline, not the Amber Timeline:
** Evidence: The existence of Henrietta "Etta" Bishop (Blue Olivia and Red Peter's child?)
* "Letters of Transit" depicted another the future of the Amber Timeline:
** Evidence: If we consider Amber Olivia as essentially Blue Olivia now that Blue Olivia's memories have dominated her; also the survival of William Bell in amber begs the question of which timeline leads to "Letters of Transit."
* "Letters of Transit" depicts a possible future of a completely different timeline we haven't seen yet:
** Evidence: William Bell is still alive and preserved in Amber.
* That's not William Bell at all:
** The ambered William Bell could be one of the Human-Shapeshifters.
* William Bell traveled through time to the year 2015:
** This might mean we are dealing with the future of the Amber Timeline, as William Bell's death (unexplained in that timeline) could have been just a disappearance due to TimeTravel.
* The original Observers like August, September, etc. were of a different, more benevolent (or at least, less aggressive) caste of future Post-Humans than the "neo-Observers" who were depicted as ruling a post-apocalyptic Earth in "Letters of Transit"
** Evidence: In "The End of All Things," September told Peter that he was a member of a scientific observation team, and that September was a code name. Captain Windmark (Wenmoc?) and the other Observers in the year 2036 do not behave like detached scientists on a research mission. They take a much more active role by subjugating the human "natives." They appear to enjoy parties and loose women.
* "Letters of Transit" is the future of the original, Blue/Red Timeline, not the Amber Timeline:
** Evidence: The existence of Henrietta "Etta" Bishop (Blue Olivia and Red Peter's child?)
* "Letters of Transit" depicted another the future of the Amber Timeline:
** Evidence: If we consider Amber Olivia as essentially Blue Olivia now that Blue Olivia's memories have dominated her; also the survival of William Bell in amber begs the question of which timeline leads to "Letters of Transit."
* "Letters of Transit" depicts a possible future of a completely different timeline we haven't seen yet:
** Evidence: William Bell is still alive and preserved in Amber.
* That's not William Bell at all:
** The ambered William Bell could be one of the Human-Shapeshifters.
* William Bell traveled through time to the year 2015:
** This might mean we are dealing with the future of the Amber Timeline, as William Bell's death (unexplained in that timeline) could have been just a disappearance due to TimeTravel.
* The original Observers like August, September, etc. were of a different, more benevolent (or at least, less aggressive) caste of future Post-Humans than the "neo-Observers" who were depicted as ruling a post-apocalyptic Earth in "Letters of Transit"
** Evidence: In "The End of All Things," September told Peter that he was a member of a scientific observation team, and that September was a code name. Captain Windmark (Wenmoc?) and the other Observers in the year 2036 do not behave like detached scientists on a research mission. They take a much more active role by subjugating the human "natives." They appear to enjoy parties and loose women.
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* David Robert Jones will incapacitate Peter Bishop and destroy the bridge so that the two universes can't communicate with each other any more. In the trailer, we see shapeshifter!Broyles walking up to the machine and in 4x17 Fauxlivia mentions that the alternate universe is getting better because of the truce. Jones is trying to destroy the alternate universe to heal our world but he doesn't know that destroying one universe will destroy the other. Meana was helping Jones so that she'd end up on the side that survives.
** Also, since Fauxlivia is spending the episode on the other side, she'll get stuck. Bonding with the other team will follow.
* David Robert Jones will incapacitate Peter Bishop and destroy the bridge so that the two universes can't communicate with each other any more. In the trailer, we see shapeshifter!Broyles walking up to the machine and in 4x17 Fauxlivia mentions that the alternate universe is getting better because of the truce. Jones is trying to destroy the alternate universe to heal our world but he doesn't know that destroying one universe will destroy the other. Meana was helping Jones so that she'd end up on the side that survives.
** Also, since Fauxlivia is spending the episode on the other side, she'll get stuck. Bonding with the other team will follow.
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[[WMG: On a related [[IncrediblyLamePun note]], Christine Hollis is [[DeathNote Misa]].]]
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I've only recently started watching Fringe, and I can't believe how many times they've left resident MadScientist alone or unguarded or something. He's a mental patient, so why don't we cede to all his ridiculous requests? He's a mental patient, so why don't we leave him alone with just one scatterbrained FBI agent guarding him? Argh! Every time he does ''anything'', I'm screaming at the screen "Do not trust him!" "Don't let him out of your sight!" "Put him back in the box!" And now we've learned that he's been manipulated by the Observer. And now SmartGuy has been possibly gonked as well. Why didn't he leave? He should have gone back to Iraq at the end of the first case. Argh! Argh!
Every single character's behaviour is too idiotic to '''not''' be a plan. Right?
* Wait, how does this tie in with the title? Shouldn't this be in JBM? And Agent Farnsworth is ''not'' scatterbrained.
** Seconded. This isn't a WMG, and Astrid most certainly ''not'' scatterbrained in any sense of the word.
I've only recently started watching Fringe, and I can't believe how many times they've left resident MadScientist alone or unguarded or something. He's a mental patient, so why don't we cede to all his ridiculous requests? He's a mental patient, so why don't we leave him alone with just one scatterbrained FBI agent guarding him? Argh! Every time he does ''anything'', I'm screaming at the screen "Do not trust him!" "Don't let him out of your sight!" "Put him back in the box!" And now we've learned that he's been manipulated by the Observer. And now SmartGuy has been possibly gonked as well. Why didn't he leave? He should have gone back to Iraq at the end of the first case. Argh! Argh!
Every single character's behaviour is too idiotic to '''not''' be a plan. Right?
* Wait, how does this tie in with the title? Shouldn't this be in JBM? And Agent Farnsworth is ''not'' scatterbrained.
** Seconded. This isn't a WMG, and Astrid most certainly ''not'' scatterbrained in any sense of the word.
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[[WMG: TransformersPrime is one long LSD trip inside Walter's having.]]
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John Noble plays Unicron, one of the [[BigBad Big Bads]] in the show, and it's not hard to imagine someone under the influence of drugs imagining he's an evil Satan {{Expy}} robot who comes out of a volcano and tries to crush things.
John Noble plays Unicron, one of the [[BigBad Big Bads]] in the show, and it's not hard to imagine someone under the influence of drugs imagining he's an evil Satan {{Expy}} robot who comes out of a volcano and tries to crush things.
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*** Actually, the trials ended ''years'' after Olivia left, perhaps due to the fact that Walter had lost both Peters. It's not explicitly stated that the trials ended because she ran away.
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[[WMG: September will play a massive part in the season/series finale.]]
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[[WMG: September will play a massive an important part in the season/series finale.]]
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* Does he know about the Observers? IIRC, Amber!Jones is pursuing the same thing as Blue!Jones in the first season, who was activating all the other Cortexiphan kids he could track down. However, I am intrigued at the idea that Olivia could be a precursor of the people who eventually become the Observers.
[[WMG: September will play a massive part in the season/series finale.]]
We've seen him die/get whisked away/whatever, but we haven't seen how he got injured. Five'll get you ten it happens during the inevitable season-ending showdown.
[[WMG: September will play a massive part in the season/series finale.]]
We've seen him die/get whisked away/whatever, but we haven't seen how he got injured. Five'll get you ten it happens during the inevitable season-ending showdown.
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* Sadly {{Jossed}}, as the only powers she ever manifests are Telekinesis and greater control over universe crossing.
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* Sadly, sadly Jossed. We see Astrid's father later on in the series.
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**** Jossed, the superweapon from the First People was built by Walter and sent back in time.
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*** Actually, it ends up being [[spoiler: September's]] fault. [[spoiler: He distracted Walter during a critical moment in time causing Peter's cure to be destroyed and forcing Walter to cross over to save Alt!Peter. Peter was supposed to go on to father Henry and most of what happened is a result of September trying to fix his pass mistake.]]
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Appreciate the wick fix- Serial Escalation is the correct trope in context- but it is not the show\'s tagline.
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** Well, theres a reason why the show's tagline is SerialEscalation.
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** Well, theres there's a reason why the show's tagline is SerialEscalation.[[SerialEscalation beyond the impossible]].
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** Well, theres a reason why the show's tagline is BeyondTheImpossible.
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** Well, theres a reason why the show's tagline is BeyondTheImpossible.SerialEscalation.
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[[WMG: David Robert Jones is trying to turn Olivia into an Observer.]]
Perhaps unintentionally but he is interested in the full array of her powers which have probably not even truly started to be tapped.
Perhaps unintentionally but he is interested in the full array of her powers which have probably not even truly started to be tapped.
