History WMG / FateGrandOrder

* Since the ritual must be performed by mages, it might be speculated that the entirety of mages is preserved from losing the power after the end of the Age of Gods by the World, so that they still be able to trigger the failsafes, but I digress.
The VII is an odd one - while the [[spoiler:Foreign World]] does try to preserve humanity through drastic means, [[spoiler:U-Olga-Marie]]'s behavior and stats are not consistent with the rest. Since it can produce Alter-Egos without issue, it might also be able to graft some Beast-like parts on a Saint-Graph as well, thus fooling the observers.
Tying into another WMG and Koyanskaya's comments - there might be a completely different candidate.
To foil [[spoiler:Marisbury's Grand Order]] one must restore humanity to Earth, thus - to force [[spoiler:CHALDEAS]] to do it. There's not much ways for this, but one of them - to take the Human Order as a hostage, for example, with Kadoc's Sirius Light, and thus - to endager it. Doing this and fighting against [[spoiler:Foreign World]] in general would mean employing Anti-Human Order. Thus the Beast VII candidate would be noone but Fujimaru, and their Logos would be Determination - persevering despite all odds against the superior threat, motivated by love for humanity, with possibility of going off the deep end without some sort of checks and counter-balances. Except that this time they ''do'' have these - Novum Chaldea, thus, unlike the rest, not fighting alone and employing the Beast system properly.

* The problem with this theory is that there is ''nothing'' about Chaldean that really screams Marisbury. His hair and eye colours are both paler than what Chaldean has, and of what we have seen of Marisbury's personality, he doesn't seem like he would be that weirded out about the inhabitants of the Lostbelts like Chaldean is. Plus if he really was Marisbury, then other characters like Wodime would react to it like that. The only way for him to be Marisbury if he became a HeroicHost to whomever is piloting the body.

CHALDEAS is a simulation of Earth but is also the Foreign World, the cause behind the Lostbelts and Tree of Emptiness, which are simulations of pruned timelines. The purpose of the trees is to impose a new order over the world, with each one basically competing against the others. This would mean the goal of the Foreign World CHALDEAS would be to impose a new order on Earth. Daybit states the Foreign World's goal is to save humanity, but its actions would make humanity despised by the universe. The only action that would cause such a reaction is simple, killing Gaia, or the Earth. Thus, it is likely the goal of CHALDEAS is to impose a new order on the world where humanity is supreme, which would destroy Gaia as a separate entity, the purpose of the Lostbelts is to blind the Counter Force, either by creating a world where it doesn't exist, or where there is something powerful enough to counter it.

* He sees the CHALDEAS as his enemy. It was established very early on that Galahad doesn't aprove in any capacity the shit that Marisbury did while he was in charge.

- if this troper's memory serves correctly , isn't kuku technically a playable (albeit waifu'd up) ORT?

* Primate Murder: He could share the same "Homonidae" Servant advantage and "Demonic Beast" Servant disadvantage that Koyanskaya had, but in this instance he wouldn't have the Caster disadvantage...maybe replace that with Moon Cancer considering his background in Tsukihime.

*** Not really in FGO, but Toru Okawa and Mai Nakahara joined in [[Literature/FateApocrypha Apocrypha]] as Gordes and Reika, respectively. Also, Aya Suzaki joined in [[Anime/FatePrototype Fragments Drama CD]] as Elsa. Recent announcement of VideoGame/FateExtellaLink, Kazuhiko Inoue voice a new Ruler Servant, Karl der Große (the historical version of Charlemagne). Creator/DaisukeHirakawa voices Melvin Weinz in ''LightNovel/LordElMelloiIICaseFiles''. Creator/YoshimasaHosoya voice Tiberius in the fifth Prototype Fragments Drama CD. Soma Saito voices Wodime, one of the Crypters.

* In the anime only episode of ''LightNovel/LordElMelloiIICaseFiles'', the patriarch of the an offshoot family (Ernest Fargo) of the Animuspheres tries to make himself a god using the Heliocentric model of Astrology. Lord El-Melloi II explained that ultimately the symbolism depicted Ernest as the Sun, or a god. Ernest doesn't quite make it, so he tries to hijack the body of his daughter while making the needed corrections.

** I think this is position [[spoiler:is already taken by ORT...though I dunno if the pruning of LB7 means the slot's now open]].

** '''Rulers''': While Rulers are an established PHH class, as seen in ''Literature/FateApocrypha'', they are not supposed to be contracted with a Master. Rulers are supposed to act as completely independed regulators that do not hunt for the Grail themselves and do not fight unless it's to regulate the participants of a Holy Grail War. Chaldea not only has summoned several Rulers and contracted already summoned ones (literally the FIRST THING WE DID post Singularity F), we threw them straight in the thick of battle too.

[[WMG: Ordeal Calls are based on Apostles of the Foreign God]]
Classes more troublesome from the World's point of view (aliens and their proxies, glitches in the matrix, and walking lies) are conspicuous by their absence. Meanwhile, Rasputin, Muramasa and Douman are Alter-Egos, [[spoiler:Holmes]] and Moriarty are Rulers, and the most well-known Count Servant, who's also canonically helping Chaldea - [[spoiler:Edmond Dantes]], is an Avenger. Teased chapter titles might also hint at them - [[spoiler:Holmes]] is explicitly called a fair arbitrator at one point, while [[spoiler:Dantes]] has a prominent fire motif. Romani initially says there are four Ordeals, before backpedalling and insisting there are only three - the last one then is most likely related to [[spoiler:U-Olga-Marie]], whose class cannot be determined by the system and current state is dubious.

* Beast Angra Mainyu, depicting him as the EldritchAbomination he would have become had he been reincarnated through the Fuyuki Grail -- possibly as the Shadow from "Heaven's Feel", his partially manifested form from the ''Anime/FateStayNightUnlimitedBladeWorks'' anime, the blackened Greater Grail from ''Literature/FateZero'', or "Grail-kun" from ''Anime/CarnivalPhantasm''.

** '''Foreigners:''' Foreigners are a very important part of PHH. ORT is only here on Earth because of the presence of humanity. Velber's invasion (who is established as a Foreigner in the EXTELLA games) was so important that two different Lostbelts spawned from that invasion having a different outcome (not to mention the long term consequences, like Attila the Hun, the current form of the Olympus Gods, the creation of the Valkyries and Tametomo, and who knows what else). Then there are PHH figures talking about Foreigners, like Lovecraft and Gilles, and finally there's the ''man-made'' Foreigner Voyager. Voyager in particular carries explicit and undeniable proof of the existence of PHH.

* In the FGO mats, Sigurd takes special notice of him and then has a DoubleTake. He also seems confused about him in his material profile. The fact that Sigurd noticed Caster is odd, but it should also be noted that Sigurd encountered Odin a number of times in his legend, thus making him one of the most likely people to recognize him.

* The recent Lostbelt 6 update also adds fuel to the fire. In My Room dialogues, Scáthach tells him that his Rune magic is slightly different from what she taught him. He asks Sigurd not to look at him with the glasses, when he sees Brynhildr he muses that this must be fate/karma and specifically refers to Scáthach-Skadi as "Lostbelt Skadi."

** [[LightNovel/FateZero The Magus Killer Kiritsugu Emiya]], as it turns out.

* Beast Angra Mainyu, depicting him as the EldritchAbomination he would have become had he been reincarnated through the Fuyuki Grail -- possibly as the Shadow from "Heaven's Feel", his partially manifested form from the ''Anime/FateStayNightUnlimitedBladeWorks'' anime, the blackened Greater Grail from ''LightNovel/FateZero'', or "Grail-kun" from ''Anime/CarnivalPhantasm''.

*** Not really in FGO, but Toru Okawa and Mai Nakahara joined in [[LightNovel/FateApocrypha Apocrypha]] as Gordes and Reika, respectively. Also, Aya Suzaki joined in [[Anime/FatePrototype Fragments Drama CD]] as Elsa. Recent announcement of VideoGame/FateExtellaLink, Kazuhiko Inoue voice a new Ruler Servant, Karl der Große (the historical version of Charlemagne). Creator/DaisukeHirakawa voices Melvin Weinz in ''LightNovel/LordElMelloiIICaseFiles''. Creator/YoshimasaHosoya voice Tiberius in the fifth Prototype Fragments Drama CD. Soma Saito voices Wodime, one of the Crypters.

* Angra Mainyu, not as Avenger from ''VisualNovel/FateHollowAtaraxia'' but as [[EldritchAbomination All the World's Evil]], the blackened Greater Grail and/or the Shadow from ''LightNovel/FateZero'' and ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight''. Nasu has stated that when Avenger was defeated in the 3rd Grail War the Fuyuki Grail tried to grant the wishes of the ancient Zoroastrians and turn him into the incarnation of All the World's Evil, and had it done so he would have been reborn as a genuine GodOfEvil; and his All the World's Evil form is noted to be eerily similar to Tiamat in the Babylonia chapter. Furthermore, in ''Unlimited Blade Works'' Gilgamesh calls it one of the "great evils of mankind," a moniker also used to refer to the Beasts. Ergo, it's possible that Angra Mainyu - or an AU version of him successfully incarnated as All the World's Evil - would qualify as a Beast.

With the ''LightNovel/TheGardenOfSinners'' Event returning, to everyone's surprise, and introducing a new Servant in the form of Asagami Fujino, it's possible that when we reach the reruns of the next collaboration events, they will also introduce new Limited Servants:

Fate/Zero: Kiritsugu and Irisviel have already been made Servants, and the rest of the human cast of LightNovel/FateZero is either not noteworthy enough to become a Servant or have already been made Demi-Servants (Waver, Rin, and Sakura)--except that if there's one thing LightNovel/FateZero is, it's that it's the OriginStory of the legend of Shirou Emiya, using Sengo Muramasa as a complement to his power like Waver does. Like the two forms of Rin, he may appear as a Limited Servant. It would indeed be the perfect opportunity to bring the EnsembleDarkhorse and former protagonist into the gacha.

[[WMG: The completed FGO version of ''LightNovel/FateZero'' will be radically different.]]

[[WMG: Kiyohime had an early onset of [[{{LightNovel/DDD}} Abnormal Agonist Syndrome]].]]

** This is called The World Egg phenomonom. It was how [[Videogame/MeltyBlood Dust Of Osiris]] was going to end the world. ...it's how [[LightNovel/TheGardenOfSinners Araya]] was going to as well.

There is also one other thing supporting the idea that the Galahad we see is his true self, and the one the knights knew was a mask: LightNovel/FateRequiem introduces a Saber Servant as one of the major characters: ''Galahad Alter''. Alterhad is explicitly said to have abandoned the Knights Creed and his identity as "The Perfect Knight", and acts a lot more like how he's described by his fellow knights, and more like his father Lancelot, being a HandsomeLech. Alter servants are specifically described as alternate versions of Servants due to various circumstances. Edgemiya was broken enough due to his actions as a Counter Guardian he's pretty much an EmptyShell. Salter is one who feels cruelty and hatred is needed to achieve her goals. [[spoiler:[[Literature/FateStrangeFake Alcides]] is Heracles forced to abandon his ideals and relive his trauma, turning him into the NayTheist and a dark killer.]] So Alterhad is one who abandoned the persona he had to bear, and was no longer pure. He became as the others described him, but only because he was tired of the burden being "The Perfect Knight" brought him.