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Now remember early in the game when Mio finds a crying woman at the village entrance? When Mio touched the spirit's shoulder, she accidentally absorbed it and became possessed on a minor level. For the rest of the game, Yae's spirit whispers into Mio's ear, so to speak, only taking stronger control at the last minute in order to [[spoiler: complete the ritual.]] (If you'd like, contrast Yae's torn half-soul with the vengeful, Darkness-ridden spirit of Sae, which we find is [[spoiler: perfectly capable of full-on possession.)]]

Mio's semi-possession is also why Sae is so intent on strangling Mio; she can sense that part of her long-lost twin is in that body. It also explains the seemingly-miraculous appearance of [[spoiler: Yae in the Promise Ending.]]

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Now remember early in the game when Mio finds a crying woman at the village entrance? When Mio touched the spirit's shoulder, she accidentally absorbed it and became possessed on a minor level. For the rest of the game, Yae's spirit whispers into Mio's ear, so to speak, only taking stronger control at the last minute in order to [[spoiler: complete the ritual.]] ritual. (If you'd like, contrast Yae's torn half-soul with the vengeful, Darkness-ridden spirit of Sae, which we find is [[spoiler: perfectly capable of full-on possession.)]]

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Mio's semi-possession is also why Sae is so intent on strangling Mio; she can sense that part of her long-lost twin is in that body. It also explains the seemingly-miraculous appearance of [[spoiler: Yae in the Promise Ending.]]
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* [[spoiler: Check the Frozen Butterflies ending in Deep Crimson Butterfly. By all appearances, Mayu strangled Mio, and what was probably Mio's butterfly landed on her corpse. That could indicate that it doesn't matter ''which'' twin dies, as long as ''one'' of them does.]] My guess is that the 'older twin strangles the younger twin' custom was decreed by the earliest practicioners of the ritual to leave it to chance and avoid interhouse fighting on which twin would live and which would die...and effectively take the choice out of their hands by decreeing that the elder HAS to die and the younger HAS to live.
* Or alternately [[spoiler: since Mayu always considered herself the elder and Mio the younger, the abyss bought it, regardless that Mio would have been considered the 'elder' by custom.]]

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* [[spoiler: Check the Frozen Butterflies ending in Deep Crimson Butterfly. By all appearances, Mayu strangled Mio, and what was probably Mio's butterfly landed on her corpse. That could indicate that it doesn't matter ''which'' twin dies, as long as ''one'' of them does.]] My guess is that the 'older twin strangles the younger twin' custom was decreed by the earliest practicioners of the ritual to leave it to chance and avoid interhouse fighting on which twin would live and which would die...and effectively take the choice out of their hands by decreeing that the elder HAS to die and the younger HAS to live.
* Or alternately [[spoiler: since Mayu always considered herself the elder and Mio the younger, the abyss bought it, regardless that Mio would have been considered the 'elder' by custom.]]
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* Yuuri's Ending: [[spoiler: The Good Ending, as this is the ending that actually shows the Curse being lifted and the mountain being purified]].
* Ren's Ending: [[spoiler: Ren chooses Shiragiku, and opts to stay with her. This ending is the only one of the four options that ends differently, with him ending up back in front of the shrine instead of merely standing in the Marriage House alone]].
* Miu's Ending: [[spoiler: This is the most difficult to settle on, as there aren't any obvious clues which ending stands out more. However, Miu's Good ending is likely the true one since there is absolutely no indications of Miku already being dead throughout the game. She doesn't behave anything like the other characters from the series that were DeadAllAlong (Itsuki, Kirishima), and no one else seems to find anything odd about her]].

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* Yuuri's Ending: [[spoiler: The Good Ending, as this is the ending that actually shows the Curse being lifted and the mountain being purified]].
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* Ren's Ending: [[spoiler: Ren chooses Shiragiku, and opts to stay with her. This ending is the only one of the four options that ends differently, with him ending up back in front of the shrine instead of merely standing in the Marriage House alone]].
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* Miu's Ending: [[spoiler: This is the most difficult to settle on, as there aren't any obvious clues which ending stands out more. However, Miu's Good ending is likely the true one since there is absolutely no indications of Miku already being dead throughout the game. She doesn't behave anything like the other characters from the series that were DeadAllAlong (Itsuki, Kirishima), and no one else seems to find anything odd about her]].
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[[WMG: [[RightForTheWrongReasons The angry mob has a point]].]]
Not because of the hell thing, but because one of ''every'' twin pair (other than the Tachibanas, as far as we know) has a propensity for going murderously evil. Trauma has nothing to do with it- Mio outlives her twin in one ending, but she doesn't become a psycho. The ritual is useful for the village because it gives them a 50/50 chance of culling someone who is or will become a threat to their health. Even if they guess ''wrong'', the ritual incites the surviving twin to show their true nature while (because of how often the ritual happens) they're young enough to be easily brought to justice. (See also the similar plotline in ''Series/SabrinaTheTeenageWitch''.)

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** Zero Wiki's up again and turns out it also uses she/her pronouns for Rui.

[[WMG: Ren Hojo is the reincarnation of Dr. Kunihiko Asou.]]
* No wonder the Matchmaker thought he was him. He's a descendant of Asou, was affected by traumas that happened to Asou, and even has a striking resemblance to Asou, so it would make sense in a way.
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* There’s a possibility that Rui may be genderfluid, and even the develops thought it was a good theory, but nevertheless it was not confirmed. However the Wiki uses she/her pronouns for Rui, so maybe Rui could just be a tomboy.

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* There’s a possibility that Rui may be genderfluid, and even the develops thought it was a good theory, but nevertheless it was not confirmed. However the Wiki uses she/her pronouns for Rui, Rui (at least on the FANDOM page; the Zero Wiki website has since been closed), so maybe Rui could just be a tomboy.
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* There’s a possibility that Rui may be genderfluid, and even the develops thought it was a good theory, but nevertheless it was not confirmed. However the Wiki uses she/her pronouns for Rui, so maybe Rui could just be a tomboy.

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[[WMG: Rougetsu Island is also a gateway to hell.]]
Well the first two games had a gateway to hell, and the third game had the Abyss of the Horizon, which was a crossroads to the spirit world.







[[WMG: The Good Ending of FFIII is the true ending.]]

In the previous two games, to obtain the Good ending you merely need to complete the game on a harder mode without any other changes to the gameplay experience. But the third installment is different, and requires that Kei perform a side-quest in a New Game Plus. Unlike in any other game, getting the good ending requires that Kei dig further into the history of the manor, and learn more about Kaname. While doing so, he discovers the other half of the earring set -- the one Rei discovers that allows her to confront and finally defeat Reika. So instead of simply killing him, Reika does exactly what Kirie did in the first game -- she keeps the splitting image of her lover with her, trapping him inside the Manor of Sleep.

And therein lies the heart of this theory. The good ending comes from getting the entire story, from fully investigating the manor and reuniting the two halves of the earring set. It is unlike any of the other games, where a good ending can be obtained simply through playing on a different difficulty setting.
* Confirmed by WordOfGod.



[[WMG: V will receive a Western release]]
* They seem to insist on an American film release, maybe they want to release it overseas.
** Confirmed. Fatal Frame V is available in the western market, though some countries only have it as a digital purchase.

[[WMG: Rui Kagamiya from the fifth game is [[AmbiguousGender non-binary or trans male]]]]
* Or some variation thereof. Rui's design is deliberately gender-ambiguous, as it's based off a male character in a series of mysteries, who in one adaptation was played by a woman. The WMG goes beyond Rui's appearance, however. Rui doesn't seem to know how to respond when Shiragiku asks "Big brother?... Big sister?", and gets somewhat prickly when Ren's somewhat awkward attempts at compliments come across as particularly gendered (like when he says they look "like a model" after taking their picture).



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[[folder:Fatal Frame III]]
[[WMG: The Good Ending of FFIII is the true ending.]]

In the previous two games, to obtain the Good ending you merely need to complete the game on a harder mode without any other changes to the gameplay experience. But the third installment is different, and requires that Kei perform a side-quest in a New Game Plus. Unlike in any other game, getting the good ending requires that Kei dig further into the history of the manor, and learn more about Kaname. While doing so, he discovers the other half of the earring set -- the one Rei discovers that allows her to confront and finally defeat Reika. So instead of simply killing him, Reika does exactly what Kirie did in the first game -- she keeps the splitting image of her lover with her, trapping him inside the Manor of Sleep.

And therein lies the heart of this theory. The good ending comes from getting the entire story, from fully investigating the manor and reuniting the two halves of the earring set. It is unlike any of the other games, where a good ending can be obtained simply through playing on a different difficulty setting.
* Confirmed by WordOfGod.

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[[folder:Fatal Frame IV]]
[[WMG: Rougetsu Island is also a gateway to hell.]]
Well the first two games had a gateway to hell, and the third game had the Abyss of the Horizon, which was a crossroads to the spirit world.

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[[folder:Fatal Frame V]]
[[WMG: V will receive a Western release]]
* They seem to insist on an American film release, maybe they want to release it overseas.
** Confirmed. Fatal Frame V is available in the western market, though some countries only have it as a digital purchase.

[[WMG: Rui Kagamiya from the fifth game is [[AmbiguousGender non-binary or trans male]]]]
* Or some variation thereof. Rui's design is deliberately gender-ambiguous, as it's based off a male character in a series of mysteries, who in one adaptation was played by a woman. The WMG goes beyond Rui's appearance, however. Rui doesn't seem to know how to respond when Shiragiku asks "Big brother?... Big sister?", and gets somewhat prickly when Ren's somewhat awkward attempts at compliments come across as particularly gendered (like when he says they look "like a model" after taking their picture).



* Miu's Ending: [[spoiler: This is the most difficult to settle on, as there aren't any obvious clues which ending stands out more. However, Miu's Good ending is likely the true one since there is absolutely no indications of Miku already being dead throughout the game. She doesn't behave anything like the other characters from the series that were DeadAllAlong (Itsuki, Kirishima), and no one else seems to find anything odd about her]].

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* Miu's Ending: [[spoiler: This is the most difficult to settle on, as there aren't any obvious clues which ending stands out more. However, Miu's Good ending is likely the true one since there is absolutely no indications of Miku already being dead throughout the game. She doesn't behave anything like the other characters from the series that were DeadAllAlong (Itsuki, Kirishima), and no one else seems to find anything odd about her]].her]].

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* Miu's Ending: [[spoiler: This is the most difficult to settle on, as there aren't any obvious clues which ending stands out more. However, Miu's Good ending is likely the true one since there is absolutely no indications of Miku already being dead throughout the game. She doesn't behave anything like the other characters from the series that were DeadAllAlong (Itsuki, Kirishima), and no one else seems to find anything odd about her]].
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* Miu's Ending: [[spoiler: This is the most difficult to settle on, as there aren't any obvious clues which ending stands out more. However, Miu's Good ending is likely the true one since there is absolutely no indications of Miku already being dead throughout the game. She doesn't behave anything like the other characters from the series that were DeadAllAlong (Itsuki, Kirishima), and no one else seems to find anything odd about her]].
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* I'm calling {{Jossed}} for the Kiryu twins, simply because [[{{Lolicon}} I don't]] [[{{Squick}} want to think about it]]

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* It helps that the director says the team considers this the canon ending.

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[[WMG: The true endings for the fifth game.]]
* Yuuri's Ending: [[spoiler: The Good Ending, as this is the ending that actually shows the Curse being lifted and the mountain being purified]].
* Ren's Ending: [[spoiler: Ren chooses Shiragiku, and opts to stay with her. This ending is the only one of the four options that ends differently, with him ending up back in front of the shrine instead of merely standing in the Marriage House alone]].
* Miu's Ending: [[spoiler: This is the most difficult to settle on, as there aren't any obvious clues which ending stands out more. However, Miu's Good ending is likely the true one since there is absolutely no indications of Miku already being dead throughout the game. She doesn't behave anything like the other characters from the series that were DeadAllAlong (Itsuki, Kirishima), and no one else seems to find anything odd about her]].
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It would also explain why literally every character in the village refers to Mio as Yae. The ghosts SEE Yaes soul inside Mio and think she has returned.
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[[WMG: Mio and Mayu are slowly going mad in All Gods Village.]]
* They find an abandoned village where there's written text about a ritual sealing off the Hellish Abyss. They believe that the seal breaking is the reason why they're seeing all these ghosts. So they believe that they have to perform the Crimson Butterfly Ritual, which leads to Mio strangling her sister, and restore balance.
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* This could tie into the Japanese folklore belief about twins being [[{{StarCrossedLovers}} reincarnated lovers]]. Take that as you will.
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[[WMG: Rui Kagamiya from the fifth game is [[AmbiguousGender non-binary or trans male]]]]
* Or some variation thereof. Rui's design is deliberately gender-ambiguous, as it's based off a male character in a series of mysteries, who in one adaptation was played by a woman. The WMG goes beyond Rui's appearance, however. Rui doesn't seem to know how to respond when Shiragiku asks "Big brother?... Big sister?", and gets somewhat prickly when Ren's somewhat awkward attempts at compliments come across as particularly gendered (like when he says they look "like a model" after taking their picture).
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** Not quite. IIRC, part of the ritual is that each twin must have some kind of hidden resentment towards the other. The reason Itsuki and Mutsuki failed was because Itsuki absolutely could not hate anything about his brother (which sort've translates into "loved him too much.")

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** Not quite. IIRC, part of the ritual is that each twin must have some kind of hidden resentment towards the other. The reason Itsuki and Mutsuki failed was because Itsuki absolutely could not hate anything about his brother (which sort've sort of translates into "loved him too much.")





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\n* Similarly, the "Frozen Butterfly" ending could be seen as Mayu venting her own rage on Mio for being [[MySisterIsOffLimits so overly protective of her.]]

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[[WMG: V will receive a Western release]]
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[[WMG: It never mattered which twin died.]]
* [[spoiler: Check the Frozen Butterflies ending in Deep Crimson Butterfly. By all appearances, Mayu strangled Mio, and what was probably Mio's butterfly landed on her corpse. That could indicate that it doesn't matter ''which'' twin dies, as long as ''one'' of them does.]] My guess is that the 'older twin strangles the younger twin' custom was decreed by the earliest practicioners of the ritual to leave it to chance and avoid interhouse fighting on which twin would live and which would die...and effectively take the choice out of their hands by decreeing that the elder HAS to die and the younger HAS to live.
* Or alternately [[spoiler: since Mayu always considered herself the elder and Mio the younger, the abyss bought it, regardless that Mio would have been considered the 'elder' by custom.]]
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[[WMG: The 'Crimson Butterfly' Ending of Fatal Frame II is a GOOD ending.]]

Since Mio takes out all of her repressed rage at Mayu for being [[{{TheLoad}} so damn dependent on her and getting lost every five seconds.]]

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[[WMG: The Good Ending of FFIII is the true ending.]]

In the previous two games, to obtain the Good ending you merely need to complete the game on a harder mode without any other changes to the gameplay experience. But the third installment is different, and requires that Kei perform a side-quest in a New Game Plus. Unlike in any other game, getting the good ending requires that Kei dig further into the history of the manor, and learn more about Kaname. While doing so, he discovers the other half of the earring set -- the one Rei discovers that allows her to confront and finally defeat Reika. So instead of simply killing him, Reika does exactly what Kirie did in the first game -- she keeps the splitting image of her lover with her, trapping him inside the Manor of Sleep.

And therein lies the heart of this theory. The good ending comes from getting the entire story, from fully investigating the manor and reuniting the two halves of the earring set. It is unlike any of the other games, where a good ending can be obtained simply through playing on a different difficulty setting.
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* I'm calling {{Jossed}} for the Kiryu twins, simply because [[{{Lolicon}} I don't]] [[{{Squick}} want to think about it]]
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* I'm calling {{Jossed}} for the Kiryu twins, simply because [[{{Lolicon}} I don't]] [[{{Squick}} want to think about it]]
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I've heard this theory before, and I think it's extremely plausible. There's a particular photograph Kei can take that [[http://www.cameraslens.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/miomayuphoto.jpg clearly shows that Mayu is in the Manor of Sleep.]] Kei, however, only ever realizes that Mayu is there once the photo is developed in the waking world--she only appears as a butterfly to him. If she's there with Mio in butterfly form (though Mio doesn't realize it), it would make perfect sense for her to also be the helpful butterfly that Kei encounters.

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I've heard this theory before, and I think it's extremely plausible. There's a particular photograph Kei can take that [[http://www.cameraslens.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/miomayuphoto.jpg clearly shows that Mayu is in the Manor of Sleep.]] Kei, however, only ever realizes that Mayu is there once the photo is developed in the waking world--she only simply appears as a butterfly to him. If she's there with Mio in butterfly form (though Mio too doesn't realize it), it would make perfect sense for her to also be the helpful butterfly that Kei encounters.
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[[WMG: The Crimson Butterfly that guides Kei throughout the Manor of Sleep is Mayu.]]
I've heard this theory before, and I think it's extremely plausible. There's a particular photograph Kei can take that [[http://www.cameraslens.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/miomayuphoto.jpg clearly shows that Mayu is in the Manor of Sleep.]] Kei, however, only ever realizes that Mayu is there once the photo is developed in the waking world--she only appears as a butterfly to him. If she's there with Mio in butterfly form (though Mio doesn't realize it), it would make perfect sense for her to also be the helpful butterfly that Kei encounters.
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*** There was never anything in the game that mentioned hidden resentment having a part in the ritual. The reason Itsuki and Mutsuki's ritual failed really ''was'' because Itsuki loved his brother too much.

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*** There was never anything in the game that mentioned hidden resentment having a part in the ritual. The reason Itsuki and Mutsuki's the Tachibana's ritual failed really ''was'' because Itsuki loved his brother Mutsuki too much.
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*** There was never anything in the game that mentioned hidden resentment having a part in the ritual. The reason Itsuki and Mutsuki's ritual failed really ''was'' because he loved him too much.

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*** There was never anything in the game that mentioned hidden resentment having a part in the ritual. The reason Itsuki and Mutsuki's ritual failed really ''was'' because he Itsuki loved him his brother too much.
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*** There was never anything in the game that mentioned hidden resentment having a part in the ritual. The reason Itsuki and Mutsuki's ritual failed really ''was'' because he loved him too much.



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[[WMG: Mio is partially possessed by Yae throughout the game.]]
Yae returned to the village not long after the Darkness broke free. When she saw that it was too late to prevent the village's destruction, her soul tore itself in half with grief. One half kept its memories and remained at the Torii gate, weeping. The other purged its memories out of self-preservation and stayed within Yae's body, later making an appearance in the first game.

Now remember early in the game when Mio finds a crying woman at the village entrance? When Mio touched the spirit's shoulder, she accidentally absorbed it and became possessed on a minor level. For the rest of the game, Yae's spirit whispers into Mio's ear, so to speak, only taking stronger control at the last minute in order to [[spoiler: complete the ritual.]] (If you'd like, contrast Yae's torn half-soul with the vengeful, Darkness-ridden spirit of Sae, which we find is [[spoiler: perfectly capable of full-on possession.)]]

Mio's semi-possession is also why Sae is so intent on strangling Mio; she can sense that part of her long-lost twin is in that body. It also explains the seemingly-miraculous appearance of [[spoiler: Yae in the Promise Ending.]]

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** Not quite. IIRC, part of the ritual is that each twin must have some kind of hidden resentment towards the other. The reason Itsuki and Mutsuki failed was because Itsuki absolutely could not hate anything about his brother (which sort've translates into "loved him too much.")

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