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So when Johnny Blaze recalls that "there was an angel" in Film/GhostRiderSpiritOfVengeance, he's [[BroadStrokes hazily recalling]] Seth/Milton/Red's backstory.

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So when Johnny Blaze recalls that "there was an angel" in Film/GhostRiderSpiritOfVengeance, he's [[BroadStrokes hazily recalling]] Seth/Milton/Red's backstory.backstory.

[[WMG: The Godkiller was a XanatosGambit]]
Satan purposefully left it for Milton to take, because if he used it to erase Jonah from existence, he's destroyed a soul (a big no-no crime in most theologies) and thus cannot be redeemed to Heaven for saving his granddaughter. The Godkiller is insurance to ensure no one who escapes Hell ever gets redeemed through good deeds.
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[[WMG: Creator/NicolasCage is playing the same character in Film/CityOfAngels, Film/Mandy2018, Film/DriveAngry, and the Film/GhostRider movies]]

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[[WMG: Creator/NicolasCage is playing the same character in Film/CityOfAngels, Film/Mandy2018, Film/DriveAngry, and the Film/GhostRider movies]]
Film/GhostRiderDuology]]



So now comes the Film/GhostRider films. Having been so rambunctious and having caused so many problems, Milton is turned into The Spirit of Justice, allowing the Devil to wield him like a weapon. But when the devil curses Johnny Blaze with the Spirit of Vengeance, the angel Seth/Milton turns the tables and becomes a crusader for justice. The fact that Johnny Blaze starts out as a young man who looks nothing like Creator/NicolasCage who grows up to look like him is a sign of TranslationConvention: the grown up Johnny Blaze probably still looks nothing like our favorite batshit actor, but having us see the angel's visage instead of the mortal he's attached to is a sign that he's the same character.

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So now comes the Film/GhostRider films.Film/GhostRiderDuology. Having been so rambunctious and having caused so many problems, Milton is turned into The Spirit of Justice, allowing the Devil to wield him like a weapon. But when the devil curses Johnny Blaze with the Spirit of Vengeance, the angel Seth/Milton turns the tables and becomes a crusader for justice. The fact that Johnny Blaze starts out as a young man who looks nothing like Creator/NicolasCage who grows up to look like him is a sign of TranslationConvention: the grown up Johnny Blaze probably still looks nothing like our favorite batshit actor, but having us see the angel's visage instead of the mortal he's attached to is a sign that he's the same character.

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It would certainly make enough sense given what he does for a living.
** Would that mean [[OhCrap there are 29 MORE Accoutants]]..?
*** Quite possibly. He did mention that, even if he died, there would ''always'' be someone else.
** Wait, that might mean...is the Accountant [[Literature/TheDresdenFiles Nicodemus]]?

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It would certainly make enough sense given what he does for a living.
** Would that mean [[OhCrap
living. This means there are 29 MORE Accoutants]]..?
*** Quite possibly.
Accoutants. He did mention that, even if he died, there would ''always'' be someone else.
** Wait,
else. All of this means that might mean...is the Accountant is [[Literature/TheDresdenFiles Nicodemus]]?



Thus follows Film/DriveAngry. When his daughter (that he had either by remarrying, or out of wedlock) and son-in-law are killed by a cult and his granddaughter kidnapped, Milton cannot sit idly by and let Hell get away with it. So he steals the Godkiller and [[LikeABadassOutOfHell drives out of the infernal realm]] to set things right. Unfortunately, though he does, he also is doomed to still return to his damnation. But it's obvious he will rebel. He's broken out once before, he'll do it again.

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Thus follows Film/DriveAngry. When his daughter (that he had either by remarrying, or out of wedlock) and son-in-law are killed by a cult and his granddaughter kidnapped, Milton cannot sit idly by and let Hell get away with it. So he steals the Godkiller and [[LikeABadassOutOfHell [[EscapedFromHell drives out of the infernal realm]] to set things right. Unfortunately, though he does, he also is doomed to still return to his damnation. But it's obvious he will rebel. He's broken out once before, he'll do it again.
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That's right. We're heading toward Film/Mandy2018. His idyllic life with the eponymous Mandy shattered by the events of this film, he is forever cracked and broken... nothing like the angel he once was. He lives a broken, tumultuous live, turns to crime and sleeping around, destining himself to Hell.

This leads to Film/DriveAngry. When his daughter (that he had either by remarrying, or out of wedlock) and son-in-law are killed by a cult and his granddaughter kidnapped, Milton cannot sit idly by and let Hell get away with it. So he steals the Godkiller and [[LikeABadassOutOfHell drives out of the infernal realm]] to set things right. Unfortunately, though he does, he also is doomed to still return to his damnation. But it's obvious he will rebel. He's broken out once before, he'll do it again.

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That's right. We're heading toward This leads to Film/Mandy2018. His idyllic life with the eponymous Mandy shattered by the events of this film, he is forever cracked and broken... nothing like the angel he once was. He lives a broken, tumultuous live, turns to crime and sleeping around, destining himself to Hell.

This leads to Thus follows Film/DriveAngry. When his daughter (that he had either by remarrying, or out of wedlock) and son-in-law are killed by a cult and his granddaughter kidnapped, Milton cannot sit idly by and let Hell get away with it. So he steals the Godkiller and [[LikeABadassOutOfHell drives out of the infernal realm]] to set things right. Unfortunately, though he does, he also is doomed to still return to his damnation. But it's obvious he will rebel. He's broken out once before, he'll do it again.



This leads to the Film/GhostRider films. Having been so rambunctious and having caused so many problems, Milton is turned into The Spirit of Justice, allowing the Devil to wield him like a weapon. But when the devil curses Johnny Blaze with the Spirit of Vengeance, the angel Seth/Milton turns the tables and becomes a crusader for justice. The fact that Johnny Blaze starts out as a young man who looks nothing like Creator/NicolasCage who grows up to look like him is a sign of TranslationConvention: the grown up Johnny Blaze probably still looks nothing like our favorite batshit actor, but having us see the angel's visage instead of the mortal he's attached to is a sign that he's the same character.

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This leads to So now comes the Film/GhostRider films. Having been so rambunctious and having caused so many problems, Milton is turned into The Spirit of Justice, allowing the Devil to wield him like a weapon. But when the devil curses Johnny Blaze with the Spirit of Vengeance, the angel Seth/Milton turns the tables and becomes a crusader for justice. The fact that Johnny Blaze starts out as a young man who looks nothing like Creator/NicolasCage who grows up to look like him is a sign of TranslationConvention: the grown up Johnny Blaze probably still looks nothing like our favorite batshit actor, but having us see the angel's visage instead of the mortal he's attached to is a sign that he's the same character.

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Can't believe I forgot Mandy.


[[WMG: Creator/NicolasCage is playing the same character in Film/CityOfAngels, Film/DriveAngry, and the Film/GhostRider movies]]

The order would go like this: In Film/CityOfAngels, Seth starts out as an angel, invisible to mortals and on God's errand. But during the course of that film, he falls in love with Creator/MegRyan, who tragically dies. After coming to terms with this tragedy (or not... who knows?) during that film's GainaxEnding, he moves on, settles down again and starts a new life, changing his name to Milton. Life being what it is, though, in spite of having a family "Milton" does not act like the angel he once was, turns to crime and goes to Hell when he dies.

This leads to Film/DriveAngry. When his daughter and son-in-law are killed by a cult and his granddaughter kidnapped, Milton with all his celestial experience cannot sit idly by and let Hell get away with it. So he steals the Godkiller and [[LikeABadassOutOfHell drives out of the infernal realm]] to set things right. Unfortunately, though he does, he also is doomed to still return to his damnation. But it's obvious he will rebel. He's broken out once before, he'll do it again.

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[[WMG: Creator/NicolasCage is playing the same character in Film/CityOfAngels, Film/Mandy2018, Film/DriveAngry, and the Film/GhostRider movies]]

The order would go like this: In Film/CityOfAngels, Seth starts out as an angel, invisible to mortals and on God's errand. But during the course of that film, he falls in love with Creator/MegRyan, who tragically dies. After coming to terms with this tragedy (or not... who knows?) during that film's GainaxEnding, he moves on, settles down again and starts a new life, changing his name to Milton. Life being what it is, though, in spite Milton Red Miller.

That's right. We're heading toward Film/Mandy2018. His idyllic life with the eponymous Mandy shattered by the events
of having a family "Milton" does not act this film, he is forever cracked and broken... nothing like the angel he once was, was. He lives a broken, tumultuous live, turns to crime and goes sleeping around, destining himself to Hell when he dies.

Hell.

This leads to Film/DriveAngry. When his daughter (that he had either by remarrying, or out of wedlock) and son-in-law are killed by a cult and his granddaughter kidnapped, Milton with all his celestial experience cannot sit idly by and let Hell get away with it. So he steals the Godkiller and [[LikeABadassOutOfHell drives out of the infernal realm]] to set things right. Unfortunately, though he does, he also is doomed to still return to his damnation. But it's obvious he will rebel. He's broken out once before, he'll do it again.



So when Johnny Blaze recalls that "there was an angel" in Film/GhostRiderSpiritOfVengeance, he's [[BroadStrokes hazily recalling]] Seth/Milton's backstory.

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So when Johnny Blaze recalls that "there was an angel" in Film/GhostRiderSpiritOfVengeance, he's [[BroadStrokes hazily recalling]] Seth/Milton's Seth/Milton/Red's backstory.
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[[WMG: Nicolas Cage is playing the same character in City of Angels, Drive Angry, and the Ghost Rider movies]]

The order would go like this: In Film/CityOfAngels, Seth starts out as an angel, invisible to mortals and on God's errand. But during the course of that film, he falls in love with Meg Ryan's character, who tragically dies. After coming to terms with this tragedy (or not... who knows?) during that film's GainaxEnding, he moves on, settles down again and starts a new life, changing his name to Milton. Life being what it is, though, in spite of having a family "Milton" does not act like the angel he once was, turns to crime and goes to Hell when he dies.

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[[WMG: Nicolas Cage Creator/NicolasCage is playing the same character in City of Angels, Drive Angry, Film/CityOfAngels, Film/DriveAngry, and the Ghost Rider Film/GhostRider movies]]

The order would go like this: In Film/CityOfAngels, Seth starts out as an angel, invisible to mortals and on God's errand. But during the course of that film, he falls in love with Meg Ryan's character, Creator/MegRyan, who tragically dies. After coming to terms with this tragedy (or not... who knows?) during that film's GainaxEnding, he moves on, settles down again and starts a new life, changing his name to Milton. Life being what it is, though, in spite of having a family "Milton" does not act like the angel he once was, turns to crime and goes to Hell when he dies.



Now we come to the Film/GhostRider films. Having been so rambunctious and having caused so many problems, Milton is turned into The Spirit of Justice, allowing the Devil to wield him like a weapon. But when the devil curses Johnny Blaze with the Spirit of Vengeance, the angel Seth/Milton turns the tables and becomes a crusader for justice. The fact that Johnny Blaze starts out as a young man who looks nothing like Nicolas Cage who grows up to look like him is a sign of TranslationConvention: the grown up Johnny Blaze probably still looks nothing like our favorite batshit actor, but having us see the angel's visage instead of the mortal he's attached to is a sign that he's the same character.

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Now we come This leads to the Film/GhostRider films. Having been so rambunctious and having caused so many problems, Milton is turned into The Spirit of Justice, allowing the Devil to wield him like a weapon. But when the devil curses Johnny Blaze with the Spirit of Vengeance, the angel Seth/Milton turns the tables and becomes a crusader for justice. The fact that Johnny Blaze starts out as a young man who looks nothing like Nicolas Cage Creator/NicolasCage who grows up to look like him is a sign of TranslationConvention: the grown up Johnny Blaze probably still looks nothing like our favorite batshit actor, but having us see the angel's visage instead of the mortal he's attached to is a sign that he's the same character.
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* Milton doesn't really do anything that one might call flirting, let alone anything you might call sex, and yet is irresistible to two supporting female characters, and obviously the best sex the latter has ever had. It's possible that demons/the damned inflame the lust of others, and Milton's high-grade ass kickery might be the result of being wrath incarnate. The copious sugar in coffee might be a quirk of Milton, or it might be a reflection of gluttony.

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* Milton doesn't really do anything that one might call flirting, let alone anything you might call sex, and yet is irresistible to two supporting female characters, and obviously the best sex the latter has ever had. It's possible that demons/the damned inflame the lust of others, and Milton's high-grade ass kickery might be the result of being wrath incarnate. The copious sugar in coffee might be a quirk of Milton, or it might be a reflection of gluttony.gluttony.

[[WMG: Nicolas Cage is playing the same character in City of Angels, Drive Angry, and the Ghost Rider movies]]

The order would go like this: In Film/CityOfAngels, Seth starts out as an angel, invisible to mortals and on God's errand. But during the course of that film, he falls in love with Meg Ryan's character, who tragically dies. After coming to terms with this tragedy (or not... who knows?) during that film's GainaxEnding, he moves on, settles down again and starts a new life, changing his name to Milton. Life being what it is, though, in spite of having a family "Milton" does not act like the angel he once was, turns to crime and goes to Hell when he dies.

This leads to Film/DriveAngry. When his daughter and son-in-law are killed by a cult and his granddaughter kidnapped, Milton with all his celestial experience cannot sit idly by and let Hell get away with it. So he steals the Godkiller and [[LikeABadassOutOfHell drives out of the infernal realm]] to set things right. Unfortunately, though he does, he also is doomed to still return to his damnation. But it's obvious he will rebel. He's broken out once before, he'll do it again.

Now we come to the Film/GhostRider films. Having been so rambunctious and having caused so many problems, Milton is turned into The Spirit of Justice, allowing the Devil to wield him like a weapon. But when the devil curses Johnny Blaze with the Spirit of Vengeance, the angel Seth/Milton turns the tables and becomes a crusader for justice. The fact that Johnny Blaze starts out as a young man who looks nothing like Nicolas Cage who grows up to look like him is a sign of TranslationConvention: the grown up Johnny Blaze probably still looks nothing like our favorite batshit actor, but having us see the angel's visage instead of the mortal he's attached to is a sign that he's the same character.

So when Johnny Blaze recalls that "there was an angel" in Film/GhostRiderSpiritOfVengeance, he's [[BroadStrokes hazily recalling]] Seth/Milton's backstory.
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** It could also be that he wants Milton to put an end to the cult, but can't just let him walk free, so he let Milton take the gun and gave him enough of a head start to finish the job before being dragged back to hell.
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[[WMG: The Accountant's silver coin is one of the [[PublicDomainArtifact 30 Denarii]] given to Judas]]

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* God is never mentioned, and when we first see the Godkiller, it is missing one round, meaning that it has already been used at least once. Also, unless it was made to take out members of some non-Christian pantheons, the name implies it only ever had one purpose...

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* God is never mentioned, and when we first see the Godkiller, it is missing one round, meaning that it has already been used at least once. Also, unless it was made to take out members of some non-Christian pantheons, the name implies it only ever had one purpose...purpose...
[[WMG: Demons/The Damned are Sin Incarnate]]
* Milton doesn't really do anything that one might call flirting, let alone anything you might call sex, and yet is irresistible to two supporting female characters, and obviously the best sex the latter has ever had. It's possible that demons/the damned inflame the lust of others, and Milton's high-grade ass kickery might be the result of being wrath incarnate. The copious sugar in coffee might be a quirk of Milton, or it might be a reflection of gluttony.
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* It fits everything we're told in the film: The Devil is a decent guy, who hates all those cults worshiping him and doing all sorts of fucked up things in his name. The Accountant seems to think it's virtually impossible to steal the Godkiller. Milton says he just walked in and took it, which could be true because the Devil did nothing to prevent him. The one thing that clashes is why the Devil then sent the Accountant after him? It could be that the Devil has to follow the rules, which say someone has to be sent to hunt down an escapee immediately.

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* It fits everything we're told in the film: The Devil is a decent guy, who hates all those cults worshiping him and doing all sorts of fucked up things in his name. The Accountant seems to think it's virtually impossible to steal the Godkiller. Milton says he just walked in and took it, which could be true because the Devil did nothing to prevent him. The one thing that clashes is why the Devil then sent the Accountant after him? It could be that the Devil has to follow the rules, which say someone has to be sent to hunt down an escapee immediately.immediately.
[[WMG: God is dead.]]
* God is never mentioned, and when we first see the Godkiller, it is missing one round, meaning that it has already been used at least once. Also, unless it was made to take out members of some non-Christian pantheons, the name implies it only ever had one purpose...
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* After the events of the film, Mandy changed her name, adopted an accent and began to work around the south as a waitress. She also toughen up and learnt about cars.

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* After the events of the film, Mandy changed her name, adopted an accent and began to work around the south as a waitress. She also toughen up and learnt about cars.cars.
[[WMG: The Devil let Milton take the Godkiller]]
* It fits everything we're told in the film: The Devil is a decent guy, who hates all those cults worshiping him and doing all sorts of fucked up things in his name. The Accountant seems to think it's virtually impossible to steal the Godkiller. Milton says he just walked in and took it, which could be true because the Devil did nothing to prevent him. The one thing that clashes is why the Devil then sent the Accountant after him? It could be that the Devil has to follow the rules, which say someone has to be sent to hunt down an escapee immediately.
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** Wait, that might mean...is the Accountant [[TheDresdenFiles Nicodemus]]?

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** Wait, that might mean...is the Accountant [[TheDresdenFiles [[Literature/TheDresdenFiles Nicodemus]]?
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[[WMG: Piper is [[AllTheBoysLoveMandyLane Mandy Lane]]]]

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[[WMG: Piper is [[AllTheBoysLoveMandyLane [[Film/AllTheBoysLoveMandyLane Mandy Lane]]]]
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** Wait, that might mean...is the Accountant [[TheDresdenFiles Nicodemus]]?
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*** Quite possibly. He did mention that, even if he died, there would ''always'' be someone else.

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*** Quite possibly. He did mention that, even if he died, there would ''always'' be someone else.else.
[[WMG: Piper is [[AllTheBoysLoveMandyLane Mandy Lane]]]]
* After the events of the film, Mandy changed her name, adopted an accent and began to work around the south as a waitress. She also toughen up and learnt about cars.
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** Would that mean [[OhCrap there are 29 MORE Accoutants]]..?

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** Would that mean [[OhCrap there are 29 MORE Accoutants]]..??
*** Quite possibly. He did mention that, even if he died, there would ''always'' be someone else.
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** Would that mean [[OhCrap there are 29 MORE OF THESE FUCKERS]]..?

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** Would that mean [[OhCrap there are 29 MORE OF THESE FUCKERS]]..Accoutants]]..?
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It would certainly make enough sense given what he does for a living.

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It would certainly make enough sense given what he does for a living.living.
** Would that mean [[OhCrap there are 29 MORE OF THESE FUCKERS]]..?

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