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** Jossed as of Battle Ground:[[spoiler: Marcone is now a Denarian.]]

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** Jossed as of Battle Ground:[[spoiler: Marcone Ground:Marcone is now [[spoiler: a Denarian.]]
*** Which doesn't preclude him abandoning that and later taking up a sword anyway - see [[spoiler: Sanya]]'s backstory.
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** Even Wiki/TheOtherWiki agrees! "''He is the only White Court vampire shown to be capable of true love, which is rare even by human standards in the Dresdenverse; it should be noted that as the actual son of a king, this theoretically makes him almost uniquely suited to wield Amoracchius, should the need arise.''"

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** Even Wiki/TheOtherWiki Website/TheOtherWiki agrees! "''He is the only White Court vampire shown to be capable of true love, which is rare even by human standards in the Dresdenverse; it should be noted that as the actual son of a king, this theoretically makes him almost uniquely suited to wield Amoracchius, should the need arise.''"
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[[WMG: At some time, someone will use ''Fidelacchius'' as a magic staff]]
After all, it is a sword ''cane''; so in a dire emergency, with nothing else stafflike, without really looking and just half realising [[ContrivedCoincidence what]] they are doing... - and, come on: that would just be [[RuleOfCool cool]]!
* Depending on what spell is being cast and for what reason; the divine power in and behind it might not only let them, but actually assist. Or - another possibility - mentally step in somehow to keep them from frying their brain. Or both. The narration relating to the inner monologue for either would certainly be interesting...
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** it is still a nail, and sitting somewhere ''completely'' unassuming.

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** it is still a nail, and sitting somewhere ''completely'' unassuming.[[GrailInTheGarbage unassuming]].



[[WMG: Harry has been at the "buisiness end" of each of the three swords]]

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[[WMG: Harry has been at the "buisiness "business end" of each of the three swords]]



** ''Fidelacchius'' [[spoiler: actually ''doing'' buisiness in ''Battle Ground'', when Butters was stopping Harry from attacking Rudolph in revenge for Murphy's death.]]

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** ''Fidelacchius'' [[spoiler: actually ''doing'' buisiness business in ''Battle Ground'', when Butters was stopping Harry from attacking Rudolph in revenge for Murphy's death.]]
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[[WMG: Harry has been at the "buisiness end" of each of the three swords]]
* Here, have a RedHerring (so far), but for what it's worth in the course of the series Harry has been on the dangerous side of each of the three blades in turn at some time.
** ''Amoracchius'' when [[spoiler: he practically dared Michael to kill him when his mind was messed with by Mab and Michael thought it was the Denarians who were at fault.]]
** ''Esperacchius'' in [[spoiler: ''Grave Peril'' when it was used to cut his foot free from a trap and nixed him a bit.]]
** ''Fidelacchius'' [[spoiler: actually ''doing'' buisiness in ''Battle Ground'', when Butters was stopping Harry from attacking Rudolph in revenge for Murphy's death.]]
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If Murphy gets Fidelachius (Faith) and Thomas gets Amorachius (Love) then the best match for Harry is Esperachius (Hope). Murphy is possessed of a deep faith, while Thomas is driven by love and Harry is a beacon of hope in a situation that is increasingly getting worse. He even gave hope to Lash that she could be more than a mere copy of Lasciel. That's pretty damn inspiring if you ask me. Of course this does mean that Sanya had best be careful.

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* If Murphy gets Fidelachius (Faith) and Thomas gets Amorachius (Love) then the best match for Harry is Esperachius (Hope). Murphy is possessed of a deep faith, while Thomas is driven by love and Harry is a beacon of hope in a situation that is increasingly getting worse. He even gave hope to Lash that she could be more than a mere copy of Lasciel. That's pretty damn inspiring if you ask me. Of course this does mean that Sanya had best be careful.



Murphy is a very steadfast believer in the rule of law and order, and in protecting people. Also, whenever Harry looks at Murphy with his Sight, he sees an angel wielding a sword. That might be a hint. Finally, Fidellacchius is a katana. Coincidentally, Murphy is already an expert aikido practitioner. Now if only Harry got the clue...

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* Murphy is a very steadfast believer in the rule of law and order, and in protecting people. Also, whenever Harry looks at Murphy with his Sight, he sees an angel wielding a sword. That might be a hint. Finally, Fidellacchius is a katana. Coincidentally, Murphy is already an expert aikido practitioner. Now if only Harry got the clue...



In ''Dead Beat'', when Harry is being tortured and praying for a Knight to come to his rescue, Butters [[TakeALevelInBadass shows up and saves his ass]]. Foreshadowing?

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* In ''Dead Beat'', when Harry is being tortured and praying for a Knight to come to his rescue, Butters [[TakeALevelInBadass shows up and saves his ass]]. Foreshadowing?



Almost every action that Thomas has ever taken in the series has been motivated by love, either for Justine or for Harry. Even better, the holy sword might well allow him to control his demon half, or even slay it entirely without killing himself.
* Why didn't I think of that! I bet it would work too.
* Particularly since, as the son of the White King, he counts as royalty.

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* Almost every action that Thomas has ever taken in the series has been motivated by love, either for Justine or for Harry. Even better, the holy sword might well allow him to control his demon half, or even slay it entirely without killing himself.
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Why didn't I think of that! I bet it would work too.
* ** Particularly since, as the son of the White King, he counts as royalty.



** Until ''Small Favor'', when he starts favoring a kukri knife instead.

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** *** Until ''Small Favor'', when he starts favoring a kukri knife instead.



** A saber, you say? Now, who ''else'' in this series do we know wields a saber? ''Sanya.'' Time for a WMG of my own....

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** *** A saber, you say? Now, who ''else'' in this series do we know wields a saber? ''Sanya.'' Time for a WMG of my own....



* It'd be only fair for Thomas to become ''Amorrachius'''s wielder, considering he's the one who ''saved'' the Sword of Love after Harry lost track of it at Bianca's party. Maybe the Swords remember that sort of thing?

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* ** It'd be only fair for Thomas to become ''Amorrachius'''s wielder, considering he's the one who ''saved'' the Sword of Love after Harry lost track of it at Bianca's party. Maybe the Swords remember that sort of thing?



In ''Ghost Story'' Daniel shows much of the same passion and determination as his parents. While the Swords of the Cross aren't (necessarily) inherited, it seems right that Michael's oldest son would follow in his footsteps.
* Passion and determination, yes, but he doesn't exude the calm, kind vibe that his father did while holding the sword.
* As of Skin Game [[spoiler: Michael briefly took up Amoracchius again, but at the end, it's back in Harry's custody.]]

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* In ''Ghost Story'' Daniel shows much of the same passion and determination as his parents. While the Swords of the Cross aren't (necessarily) inherited, it seems right that Michael's oldest son would follow in his footsteps.
* ** Passion and determination, yes, but he doesn't exude the calm, kind vibe that his father did while holding the sword.
* ** As of Skin Game [[spoiler: Michael briefly took up Amoracchius again, but at the end, it's back in Harry's custody.]]



As Michael's sparring partner of 20 years, she knows how to use a sword, and is probably comfortable with that specific style of sword. As protective of her family as she is, love is not a problem. It's also worth noting that some versions of the verse that mentions "faith, hope, and love" translate the greatest of the three not as Love... but as Charity.

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* As Michael's sparring partner of 20 years, she knows how to use a sword, and is probably comfortable with that specific style of sword. As protective of her family as she is, love is not a problem. It's also worth noting that some versions of the verse that mentions "faith, hope, and love" translate the greatest of the three not as Love... but as Charity.



...Because it'd be pretty cool, if the next Knight of the Cross was in front of Dresden all along, and he refuses to see it? Given his actions with the Shroud in Death Masks, and what we learn subsequently, all three of Love, Faith and Hope would apply. His standing as the 'baron' of Chicago would fit the royalty requirement. Odin having Gard look after him must mean that there's something in him that Odin likes.

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...* ...Because it'd be pretty cool, if the next Knight of the Cross was in front of Dresden all along, and he refuses to see it? Given his actions with the Shroud in Death Masks, and what we learn subsequently, all three of Love, Faith and Hope would apply. His standing as the 'baron' of Chicago would fit the royalty requirement. Odin having Gard look after him must mean that there's something in him that Odin likes.



Marcone seems to be trying for a slow path to redemption, and while engaged in all sorts of misdeeds made Chicago safer, cares for his people and shows signs of hurt when he loses them. But he has also done the unprecedented and become a mortal accords signatory and is known as a Baron. If he advances further and gains more territory and even other supernatural vassals he could qualify as a king as the start of a bloodline.

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* Marcone seems to be trying for a slow path to redemption, and while engaged in all sorts of misdeeds made Chicago safer, cares for his people and shows signs of hurt when he loses them. But he has also done the unprecedented and become a mortal accords signatory and is known as a Baron. If he advances further and gains more territory and even other supernatural vassals he could qualify as a king as the start of a bloodline.



Option A: His demon will feed off the cast off energy from the sword as-is, and stay sated as long as he regularly has the sword on or around his person. Rating: Unlikely.

Option B: The sword will show the demon a glimpse of the core power of [[ThePowerOfLove True Love]], God's love (remember: according to the Church, which may or may not be correct about this in Literature/TheDresdenFiles, GodIsFlawed does not apply but HumansAreFlawed does) as reflected in the love given by the wielder of the sword (or something like that), and turn it from a lust demon [[LoveRedeems into a love demon]]. Rating: Less unlikely, and pretty cool.

Option C: The sword's rightfully-held presence will suppress the hunger pangs and [[ShoulderDemons Shoulder Demon aspects]] that the demon emits, without harming or changing it. Rating: Kind of likely, but not so likely as to be a major possibility.

Option D: The sword's incredible PowerOfLove will utterly ''destroy'' the demon, making Thomas human.

Option B seems unlikely to me. Even if the Hunger switches its diet to love, the feeding still consumes life force. That might make things even worse, and a sword that God works through would probably be able to cause a better solution than still feeding on and slowly killing the woman its wielder loves.

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* Option A: His demon will feed off the cast off energy from the sword as-is, and stay sated as long as he regularly has the sword on or around his person. Rating: Unlikely.

* Option B: The sword will show the demon a glimpse of the core power of [[ThePowerOfLove True Love]], God's love (remember: according to the Church, which may or may not be correct about this in Literature/TheDresdenFiles, GodIsFlawed does not apply but HumansAreFlawed does) as reflected in the love given by the wielder of the sword (or something like that), and turn it from a lust demon [[LoveRedeems into a love demon]]. Rating: Less unlikely, and pretty cool.

Option C: The sword's rightfully-held presence will suppress the hunger pangs and [[ShoulderDemons Shoulder Demon aspects]] that the demon emits, without harming or changing it. Rating: Kind of likely, but not so likely as to be a major possibility.

Option D: The sword's incredible PowerOfLove will utterly ''destroy'' the demon, making Thomas human.

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Option B seems unlikely to me. Even if the Hunger switches its diet to love, the feeding still consumes life force. That might make things even worse, and a sword that God works through would probably be able to cause a better solution than still feeding on and slowly killing the woman its wielder loves.
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* Option C: The sword's rightfully-held presence will suppress the hunger pangs and [[ShoulderDemons Shoulder Demon aspects]] that the demon emits, without harming or changing it. Rating: Kind of likely, but not so likely as to be a major possibility.

* Option D: The sword's incredible PowerOfLove will utterly ''destroy'' the demon, making Thomas human.



Even at the end game of the series I doubt he'll continue to do so, but for one brief shining moment he'll take up all three. Somehow. Maybe even promptly lose all three or drop them. I dunno, we're talking about a guy with a pola powered zombie T-Rex. A guy who already has two of the swords. No one can tell me at some point he won't at least attempt to use all three at once in desperation.

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* Even at the end game of the series I doubt he'll continue to do so, but for one brief shining moment he'll take up all three. Somehow. Maybe even promptly lose all three or drop them. I dunno, we're talking about a guy with a pola powered zombie T-Rex. A guy who already has two of the swords. No one can tell me at some point he won't at least attempt to use all three at once in desperation.



Harry is, as of Small Favour, the shadowy 'knight' employed by Uriel to screw things up for the Bad Guys. There are three overt Archangels and three Swords, each patronised by Michael, Gabriel or Raphael.

But Uriel has already given Harry a 'sword'. It's apocryphally believed that Uriel was the angel who guarded the Gates of Eden with a ''flaming sword''. And what did he bequeath to Harry? Soulfire, the perfect flaming sword for a wizard with a penchant for fire.

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* Harry is, as of Small Favour, the shadowy 'knight' employed by Uriel to screw things up for the Bad Guys. There are three overt Archangels and three Swords, each patronised by Michael, Gabriel or Raphael. \n\n
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But Uriel has already given Harry a 'sword'. It's apocryphally believed that Uriel was the angel who guarded the Gates of Eden with a ''flaming sword''. And what did he bequeath to Harry? Soulfire, the perfect flaming sword for a wizard with a penchant for fire.



In ''Ghost Story'', there were several times when the Sword of Faith might have come in handy, most specifically at the end [[spoiler: during the battle with Corpsetaker.]] Murphy, however, never takes it up. It took me until today to realize that she would be unmaking it if she had. Even though she still believes in her oath to protect the denizens of Chicago, she also believes that she had acted against that vow [[spoiler: by killing threats without turning them over to the police.]]

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* In ''Ghost Story'', there were several times when the Sword of Faith might have come in handy, most specifically at the end [[spoiler: during the battle with Corpsetaker.]] Murphy, however, never takes it up. It took me until today to realize that she would be unmaking it if she had. Even though she still believes in her oath to protect the denizens of Chicago, she also believes that she had acted against that vow [[spoiler: by killing threats without turning them over to the police.]]



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