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So what if the reason the next episode is called "The Zygon Inversion" is because the 20 million individuals who now ''think'' they're a new generation of Zygons are actually humans, who were given Zygon memories and body-print alternate shapes as sucker-coated aliens, then re-settled outside of Britain, while the ''real'' Zygons remained sealed up in stasis bubbles? They would live like Zygons for a year, then have their original identities restored, but with the memory of being a refugee alien in desperate need of a home, to whom Zygon bodies and habits were perfectly normal. The '''real''' secret plan for the peace was that, over the course of decades, millions more humans would be temporarily given Zygon identities, gradually teaching the human race that Zygons are NotSoDifferent, until every human on Earth had lived a Zygon's life. At that point, they'd no longer have any innate fear of Zygons, only of being exposed as one; to finalize the bargain, the transformation-technology could be suppressed for both species and the pod-bound Zygons could emerge and live alongside humans as their real selves.

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So what if the reason the next episode is called "The Zygon Inversion" is because the 20 million individuals who now ''think'' they're a new generation of Zygons are actually humans, who were given Zygon memories and body-print alternate shapes as sucker-coated aliens, then re-settled outside of Britain, while the ''real'' Zygons remained sealed up in stasis bubbles? They would live like Zygons for a year, then have their original identities restored, but with the memory of being a refugee alien in desperate need of a home, to whom Zygon bodies and habits were perfectly normal. The '''real''' secret plan for the peace was that, over the course of decades, millions more humans would be temporarily given Zygon identities, gradually teaching the human race that Zygons are NotSoDifferent, not so different, until every human on Earth had lived a Zygon's life. At that point, they'd no longer have any innate fear of Zygons, only of being exposed as one; to finalize the bargain, the transformation-technology could be suppressed for both species and the pod-bound Zygons could emerge and live alongside humans as their real selves.

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The box looks a lot like The Moment! Could the Doctor have left her with UNIT? no way he could return her to Gallifrey

* When she appears, it will not be as Bad Wolf Girl, but as the other Osgood. She may have already appeared without our realizing, helping to guide our heroes to a solution which does not require activating her, just as she did in the 50th.

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Gallifrey. When she appears, it will not be as Bad Wolf Girl, but as the other Osgood. She may have already appeared without our realizing, helping to guide our heroes to a solution which does not require activating her, just as she did in the 50th.



We know the peace was made possible because none of the negotiators had any idea if they were human or Zygon, because their memories had been temporarily tampered with. We also know, from the Classic series, that Zygon body-print transformation is an ability they invented, not a characteristic that's inborn for their species. And we already saw the Doctors blending Zygon and Time Lord technology to break into the Black Archive, so it'd make sense for the Kates to resolve ''their'' quandary on the same day with a blend of Zygon and ''UNIT'' technology, namely that of memory-erasure.

So what if the reason the next episode is called "The Zygon Inversion" is because the 20 million individuals who now ''think'' they're a new generation of Zygons are actually humans, who were given Zygon memories and body-print alternate shapes as sucker-coated aliens, then re-settled outside of Britain, while the ''real'' Zygons remained sealed up in stasis bubbles? They would live like Zygons for a year, then have their original identities restored, but with the memory of being a refugee alien in desperate need of a home, to whom Zygon bodies and habits were perfectly normal. And the '''real''' secret plan for the peace was that, over the course of decades, millions more humans would be temporarily given Zygon identities, gradually teaching the human race that Zygons are NotSoDifferent, until every human on Earth had lived a Zygon's life. At that point, they'd no longer have any innate fear of Zygons, only of being exposed as one; to finalize the bargain, the transformation-technology could be suppressed for both species and the pod-bound Zygons could emerge and live alongside humans as their real selves.

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We know the peace was made possible because none of the negotiators had any idea if they were human or Zygon, because their memories had been temporarily tampered with. We also know, from the Classic series, that Zygon body-print transformation is an ability they invented, not a characteristic that's inborn for their species. And we We already saw the Doctors blending Zygon and Time Lord technology to break into the Black Archive, so it'd make sense for the Kates to resolve ''their'' quandary on the same day with a blend of Zygon and ''UNIT'' technology, namely that of memory-erasure.

So what if the reason the next episode is called "The Zygon Inversion" is because the 20 million individuals who now ''think'' they're a new generation of Zygons are actually humans, who were given Zygon memories and body-print alternate shapes as sucker-coated aliens, then re-settled outside of Britain, while the ''real'' Zygons remained sealed up in stasis bubbles? They would live like Zygons for a year, then have their original identities restored, but with the memory of being a refugee alien in desperate need of a home, to whom Zygon bodies and habits were perfectly normal. And the The '''real''' secret plan for the peace was that, over the course of decades, millions more humans would be temporarily given Zygon identities, gradually teaching the human race that Zygons are NotSoDifferent, until every human on Earth had lived a Zygon's life. At that point, they'd no longer have any innate fear of Zygons, only of being exposed as one; to finalize the bargain, the transformation-technology could be suppressed for both species and the pod-bound Zygons could emerge and live alongside humans as their real selves.



* An interesting idea, if ethically dubious (if the goal is every human on Earth, that would mean altering the memories of some people against their will). But what does this mean for Clara? It seems unlikely that "Bonnie" would have been given a Clara body print if the plan was to make humans believe they were Zygons. Perhaps when things went wrong, Clara volunteered to have her memories altered to make herself believe that she was a Zygon, but that doesn't explain the Clara in the pod, and would also mean that she's responsible for the deaths of several UNIT operatives.
** "Bonnie" wasn't given a Clara body print; she was a human given a Zygon body print, who then kidnapped the real Clara and applied a ''second'' body print to herself. As for the ethics of the approach, remember that the terms of peace were worked out between an actual Zygon who was temporarily thinking like Kate Stewart, and a Kate Stewart (who we already know has been memory-wiping ''her own employee'' every day for a decade without telling him) who was temporarily thinking like a Zygon. Melding identities with somebody else probably didn't seem that horrifying to either of them at the time, and even if real-Kate felt worse about it later, she'd still consider it preferable to if she'd actually nuked London.
* Unless people killed by the Zygons are not actually killed, but somehow compressed or something, and the process is reversible (this would explain why there is still electricity randomly discharging in the remains of people "killed".
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* Unless people killed by the Zygons are not actually killed, but somehow compressed or something, and the process is reversible (this would explain why there is still electricity randomly discharging in the remains of people "killed".

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* Unless people killed by the Zygons are not actually killed, but somehow compressed or something, and the process is reversible (this would explain why there is still electricity randomly discharging in the remains of people "killed"."killed".
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** "Bonnie" wasn't given a Clara body print; she was a human given a Zygon body print, who then kidnapped the real Clara and applied a ''second'' body print to herself. As for the ethics of the approach, remember that the terms of peace were worked out between an actual Zygon who was temporarily thinking like Kate Stewart, and a Kate Stewart (who we already know has been memory-wiping ''her own employee'' every day for a decade without telling him) who was temporarily thinking like a Zygon.

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** "Bonnie" wasn't given a Clara body print; she was a human given a Zygon body print, who then kidnapped the real Clara and applied a ''second'' body print to herself. As for the ethics of the approach, remember that the terms of peace were worked out between an actual Zygon who was temporarily thinking like Kate Stewart, and a Kate Stewart (who we already know has been memory-wiping ''her own employee'' every day for a decade without telling him) who was temporarily thinking like a Zygon. Melding identities with somebody else probably didn't seem that horrifying to either of them at the time, and even if real-Kate felt worse about it later, she'd still consider it preferable to if she'd actually nuked London.
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** "Bonnie" wasn't given a Clara body print; she was a human given a Zygon body print, who then kidnapped the real Clara and applied a ''second'' body print to herself. As for the ethics of the approach, remember that the terms of peace were worked out between an actual Zygon who was temporarily thinking like Kate Stewart, and a Kate Stewart (who we already know has been wiping ''her own employee'' every day for a decade without telling him) who was temporarily thinking like a Zygon.

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** "Bonnie" wasn't given a Clara body print; she was a human given a Zygon body print, who then kidnapped the real Clara and applied a ''second'' body print to herself. As for the ethics of the approach, remember that the terms of peace were worked out between an actual Zygon who was temporarily thinking like Kate Stewart, and a Kate Stewart (who we already know has been wiping memory-wiping ''her own employee'' every day for a decade without telling him) who was temporarily thinking like a Zygon.
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** "Bonnie" wasn't given a Clara body print; she was a human given a Zygon body print, who then kidnapped the real Clara and applied a ''second'' body print to herself.

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** "Bonnie" wasn't given a Clara body print; she was a human given a Zygon body print, who then kidnapped the real Clara and applied a ''second'' body print to herself. As for the ethics of the approach, remember that the terms of peace were worked out between an actual Zygon who was temporarily thinking like Kate Stewart, and a Kate Stewart (who we already know has been wiping ''her own employee'' every day for a decade without telling him) who was temporarily thinking like a Zygon.
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* An interesting idea, if ethically dubious (if the goal is every human on Earth, that would mean altering the memories of some people against their will). But what does this mean for Clara? It seems unlikely that "Bonnie" would have been given a Clara body print if the plan was to make humans believe they were Zygons. Perhaps when things went wrong, Clara volunteered to have her memories altered to make herself believe that she was a Zygon, but that doesn't explain the Clara in the pod, and would also mean that she's responsible for the deaths of several UNIT operatives.

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* An interesting idea, if ethically dubious (if the goal is every human on Earth, that would mean altering the memories of some people against their will). But what does this mean for Clara? It seems unlikely that "Bonnie" would have been given a Clara body print if the plan was to make humans believe they were Zygons. Perhaps when things went wrong, Clara volunteered to have her memories altered to make herself believe that she was a Zygon, but that doesn't explain the Clara in the pod, and would also mean that she's responsible for the deaths of several UNIT operatives.operatives.
* Unless people killed by the Zygons are not actually killed, but somehow compressed or something, and the process is reversible (this would explain why there is still electricity randomly discharging in the remains of people "killed".
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* An interesting idea, if ethically dubious (if the goal is every human on Earth, that would mean altering the memories of some people against their will). But what does this mean for Clara? It seems unlikely that "Bonnie" would have been given a Clara body print if the plan was to make humans believe they were Zygons. Perhaps when things went wrong, Clara volunteered to have her memories altered to make herself believe that she was a Zygon, but that doesn't explain the Clara in the pod, and would also mean that she's responsible several UNIT operatives.

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* An interesting idea, if ethically dubious (if the goal is every human on Earth, that would mean altering the memories of some people against their will). But what does this mean for Clara? It seems unlikely that "Bonnie" would have been given a Clara body print if the plan was to make humans believe they were Zygons. Perhaps when things went wrong, Clara volunteered to have her memories altered to make herself believe that she was a Zygon, but that doesn't explain the Clara in the pod, and would also mean that she's responsible for the deaths of several UNIT operatives.
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So the Osgood Box doesn't contain the means to destroy the Zygons, but the means to negate the ''human'' "Zygons'" transformations ''en masse''. If it's found and activated, the rebels will discover that they've actually been humans killing fellow-humans all along.

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So the Osgood Box doesn't contain the means to destroy the Zygons, but the means to negate the ''human'' "Zygons'" transformations ''en masse''. If it's found and activated, the rebels will discover that they've actually been humans killing fellow-humans all along.along.

*An interesting idea, if ethically dubious (if the goal is every human on Earth, that would mean altering the memories of some people against their will). But what does this mean for Clara? It seems unlikely that "Bonnie" would have been given a Clara body print if the plan was to make humans believe they were Zygons. Perhaps when things went wrong, Clara volunteered to have her memories altered to make herself believe that she was a Zygon, but that doesn't explain the Clara in the pod, and would also mean that she's responsible several UNIT operatives.
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* The box looks a lot like The Moment! Could the Doctor have left her with UNIT? no way he could return her to Gallifrey

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* The box looks a lot like The Moment! Could the Doctor have left her with UNIT? no way he could return her to Gallifrey



* We know the peace was made possible because none of the negotiators had any idea if they were human or Zygon, because their memories had been temporarily tampered with. We also know, from the Classic series, that Zygon body-print transformation is an ability they invented, not a characteristic that's inborn for their species. And we already saw the Doctors blending Zygon and Time Lord technology to break into the Black Archive, so it'd make sense for the Kates to resolve ''their'' quandary on the same day with a blend of Zygon and ''UNIT'' technology, namely that of memory-erasure.

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* We know the peace was made possible because none of the negotiators had any idea if they were human or Zygon, because their memories had been temporarily tampered with. We also know, from the Classic series, that Zygon body-print transformation is an ability they invented, not a characteristic that's inborn for their species. And we already saw the Doctors blending Zygon and Time Lord technology to break into the Black Archive, so it'd make sense for the Kates to resolve ''their'' quandary on the same day with a blend of Zygon and ''UNIT'' technology, namely that of memory-erasure.
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* The box looks a lot like The Moment! Could the Doctor have left her with UNIT? no way he could return her to Gallifrey

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* The box looks a lot like The Moment! Could the Doctor have left her with UNIT? no way he could return her to GallifreyGallifrey

[[WMG: The rebel Zygons have it all backwards.]]
* We know the peace was made possible because none of the negotiators had any idea if they were human or Zygon, because their memories had been temporarily tampered with. We also know, from the Classic series, that Zygon body-print transformation is an ability they invented, not a characteristic that's inborn for their species. And we already saw the Doctors blending Zygon and Time Lord technology to break into the Black Archive, so it'd make sense for the Kates to resolve ''their'' quandary on the same day with a blend of Zygon and ''UNIT'' technology, namely that of memory-erasure.

So what if the reason the next episode is called "The Zygon Inversion" is because the 20 million individuals who now ''think'' they're a new generation of Zygons are actually humans, who were given Zygon memories and body-print alternate shapes as sucker-coated aliens, then re-settled outside of Britain, while the ''real'' Zygons remained sealed up in stasis bubbles? They would live like Zygons for a year, then have their original identities restored, but with the memory of being a refugee alien in desperate need of a home, to whom Zygon bodies and habits were perfectly normal. And the '''real''' secret plan for the peace was that, over the course of decades, millions more humans would be temporarily given Zygon identities, gradually teaching the human race that Zygons are NotSoDifferent, until every human on Earth had lived a Zygon's life. At that point, they'd no longer have any innate fear of Zygons, only of being exposed as one; to finalize the bargain, the transformation-technology could be suppressed for both species and the pod-bound Zygons could emerge and live alongside humans as their real selves.

So the Osgood Box doesn't contain the means to destroy the Zygons, but the means to negate the ''human'' "Zygons'" transformations ''en masse''. If it's found and activated, the rebels will discover that they've actually been humans killing fellow-humans all along.
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