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[[WMG: At least one of the main 4 VKs will get captured by the villains of ''Descendants 2''.]]

* An interesting idea, but mostly Jossed- apparently, all four of the traitorous VKs are now ''persona non grata'' on the Isle, though Ben decides at the end of the movie to restart the program to bring in more VKs who want to be good/ get off the Isle.

The trailer for the sequel shows Mal freaking out about all the expectations she has to meet while in Auradon. The musical number shows her inner desire, that she and the other VKs could go back to being bad, but also that everyone in Auradon would also be bad (or at the very least, have way lower standards). It also looks like, at the beginning of the trailer, she's being jolted back to reality by the press - it could be that they're what pulls her out of the dream sequence.

Bear with me here; Celia, in one of the trailers, claims that Auradon with be brought down from within and that the events of the movie will cause some friendships to bind or break. This suggests someone from Auradon is responsible. In another trailer, Audrey seems upset over Ben's proposal to Mal. It's also stated that the culprit steals Maleficent's scepter and the queen's crown; who would want the queen's crown besides someone who wants to be queen but knows she never can be? My theory is that Audrey steals the scepter and crown out of jealousy for Mal (since both of the things are, in a sense, rightfully Mal's) and enacted the curse in order to frame the VKs so she could be rid of Mal and have a chance with Ben again or alternately, she's just out for revenge and has no real plan other than that.

* [[spoiler: She, Hades, and the Faciliers jointly conspired together to convince Auradon's leaders to bring the barrier down for good. They didn't play any role in making Audrey go on a rampage, but Celia and her father did ''predict'' it would happen. Hoping that Uma could devise a plan to turn this to their advantage, they met her at the barrier's edge and told her all about what was coming. Celia also told Hades during one of her errand runs, and he volunteered to help. His initial attempt to bust through the barrier failed, but served to remind Mal about her father's Ember, and weakened her enough to ensure she wouldn't risk tackling Audrey without Isle allies' help. In returning to the Isle to acquire the Ember, the Core Four allowed Harry and Gil the chance to escape. This gave Uma enough manpower, together with her amulet and the stolen Ember, to pressure Mal to promise freedom for the Isle's kids, as we see in the film. But her plan went deeper than that: Uma knew that if anyone - Audrey (as actually happened), one of the [=VKs=], or an [=AK=] ally - got mortally wounded in the conflict, Mal would insist that Hades restore them. This would leave Auradon's leadership in a deeply-indebted position, and would - as the Faciliers' card-reading foretold, and as the film's events bore out - result in the abolition of the exile system. This accounts for the ever-so-convenient timing of so many events in the film: Harry, Gil, and Uma all turning up at the right moment; Hades catching Mal's hand when she first tried to snatch the Ember; Celia dousing the Ember (thus ensuring Mal would ''have'' to beg Uma's aid and would owe her big-time); even Dr. Facilier ''not'' asking Celia why she needed Hades' key. It was all part of their shared scheme to exploit Audrey's hissy-fit and get the barrier taken down.]]

** While we're still in NeverTrustATrailer mode at the moment, the teaser implies that [[WesternAnimation/TheLittleMermaid1989 Ursula]] will be the main villain (given that the shake-up of the teaser involves a tentacle wrapping around a crystal ball, apparently causing some sort of disruption that the VKs sense and are freaked out by) but Jafar could still be TheStarscream.

[[WMG: Jay will fall in love with Aladdin and Jasmine's daughter.]]
* Well, they do have a [[HoYay son]]
** Potentially jossed; he gets a ShipTease with Lonnie but there's no confirmation they're actually together.

[[WMG:Mal was conceived by rape.]]
* You know, like Voldemort. Exactly like Voldemort.
** [[spoiler: '''Jossed''', as Mal's father is ''Hades''. His duet with Mal strongly suggests they were married, although possibly in secret since nobody but Mal, her parents, and Evie are initially aware of this.]]

[[WMG: Cinderella's step-family will appear in the sequel.]]
Anastasia wasn't sent to the Isle of the Lost because her HeelFaceTurn earned forgiveness. Lady Tremaine and Drizella will want Drizella's daughter to win over Chad Charming.
* Jossed. According to the novel, Anastasia ''was'' sent to the Isle of the Lost after all, as made clear by the mentions of her son Anthony.
** Unjossed by the WMG suggesting the book and the film are two alternate continuities.
** Rejossed by the fact that Direct-To-Video sequels aren't canon to this film, and since Anastasia made her redemption in one, she's still evil.
*** Un-re-jossed? There's going to be a character called Dizzy Tremaine, implying that the rest of the wicked stepfamily might appear as well.
** '''Confirmed''' that Cinderella's niece Dizzy appears in the sequel, but '''Jossed''' that her mom or grandma expect her to win over Chad Charming, because she's only about nine years old.

* '''Jossed'''. Anthony is never mentioned in any of the three films, and the story-arc for ''Descendants'' seems to have been wrapped up nicely by ''3''. Cameron Boyce's death makes it still less likely that more Auradon films will follow, barring spin-offs about different characters.

*** [[spoiler: The book is supposed to end literally the moment the movie begins: The Mal and the others about to perform ''Rotten to the core'' and Ben wanting to tell his parent his decision to let them attend the school(And even that moment is different in the movie)]]
* In the book, Maleficent ''despises'' the Evil Queen, and she in return is scared of her. The others are wary. In the movie, they are very chummy with each other and even seem to be living together.
** They're not seen in the movie before their daughters are allowed a chance in Auradon.
*** That doesn't have to do with anything. Their first interaction in the movie is to tease each other, and even Maleficent ask the Queen's ''help''. No, not demanding for her to do something. ''Asking''.

* [[spoiler: The climax of the book is the kids realizing they will never measure up to their parents standards(And even realize they are not loved) and decide to be as evil as they want because they want. In the movie, they are still seeking their approval and love]]
** They might have regained hope between the book and the movie.
*** Again, there is supposed to be no time between the book and the movie.
* The relationships between the four kids is very different in both works, and their personalities are also somewhat different.

* Freddie and Jordan in the "Wicked World" shorts also support this: Both Facilier and Genie appear in the book, with Facilier being the school's principal, while in WW he runs a shop like the other villains and Genie's appearance being of him wanting to travel the world. Neither mention having daughters, when pretty much every character that has a child(or a parent) is mentioned(often, several times). Granted, is not solid evidence, but still supports this.

*** It was implied, and a later episode "Pair of sneakers" outright comfirms the shop belongs to Freddie's dad.
* With the cast announcements of Descendants 2, it seems the books, the movies and the webisodes all are different continuities, unless some characters have multiple child that don't mention any of their sibling: Hook has Harriet(Daughter, book), CJ(daughter, webisodes) and Harry(movie) and Gaston has Gaston Junior and Gaston the third(Twins, book) and Gil(movie)

*** The implication of the books is that Mal and Mad Maddie were best frenemies when younger, while the movies have Uma in that position, they are all around the same age, and the Island is a tiny place where everyone knows about everyone. And now with Dizzy's reveal in Descendants 2, there is the fact she has several sisters that go unmentioned(They are referred, several times, as the "ugly step cousins"

*** Freddie wasn't technically brought there; she came on her own and they just let her stay. Also, where in the movie do they state they never went back afterwards? Evie says they aren't popular there, but that doesn't mean they never went back, especially since their visits in WW were low-key.

[[WMG: Shan Yu has a son who will attend Auradon Prep and fall in love with Li Lonnie.]]

[[WMG: Wheelchair Girl is a descendant of Ariel.]]
Because it would just be so ironic if the [[WesternAnimation/TheLittleMermaid1989 Disney princess]] who traded her voice for legs was related to someone who had legs but couldn't use them. She's either Melody's younger sister or daughter. Or, perhaps a niece of Ariel's decided she wanted to come ashore too, but the spell went wrong and like the mermaid in the original tale, walking is simply painful for her.
* No, she's a descendant of ''[[WesternAnimation/AmericanDragonJakeLong Principal Derceto]]'', a mermaid who pretended to be wheelchair-bound while posing as a human so people wouldn't find it odd she'd cover her "legs" with a blanket.

* I was thinking that too! Maybe they'll have to cut aome scenes where Carlos is in danger, since it could be seen as insensitive to his death.

* '''Confrimed''', of course. There's a [[TearJerker memorial dedication]] at the film's beginning ''and'' [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments a montage of outtakes that pay homage to his talent and spirit]] at the end.

** While we're still in NeverTrustATrailer mode at the moment, the teaser implies that [[WesternAnimation/TheLittleMermaid1989 Ursula]] will be the main villain (given that the shake-up of the teaser involves a tentacle wrapping around a crystal ball, apparently causing some sort of disruption that the VKs sense and are freaked out by) but Jafar could still be her TheStarscream.

Because it would just be so ironic if the [[TheLittleMermaid Disney princess]] who traded her voice for legs was related to someone who had legs but couldn't use them. She's either Melody's younger sister or daughter. Or, perhaps a niece of Ariel's decided she wanted to come ashore too, but the spell went wrong and like the mermaid in the original tale, walking is simply painful for her.

* Alternatively, she plays favorites in the same way [[Disney/{{Cinderella}} Lady Tremaine favors Anastasia and Drizella over Cinderella]].

** While we're still in NeverTrustATrailer mode at the moment, the teaser implies that [[Disney/TheLittleMermaid Ursula]] will be the main villain (given that the shake-up of the teaser involves a tentacle wrapping around a crystal ball, apparently causing some sort of disruption that the VKs sense and are freaked out by) but Jafar could still be her TheStarscream.

Restoring the ''truly'' dead to life isn't something within most Disney characters' power; even Genie can't do it. But one of the rare proven exceptions is from ''Disney/TheBlackCauldron'', in which the Witches of Morva bring Gurgi back to life. The Witches weren't out-and-out ''villains'' in that film, so wouldn't have been exiled to the Isle initially. However, they ''were'' a trio of schemers, and might have brought restored life to some deceased villains as part of some for-profit plot: one that Auradon's good guys foiled and sent both them ''and'' the returned bad guys into exile for.

[[WMG: [[{{Disney/Pinocchio}} The Coachman]] is not at the Isle of the Lost.]]

* Possibly {{Jossed}} by a teaser implying that [[Disney/TheLittleMermaid Ursula]] is the main villain but Frollo could feature prominently.

[[WMG: [[Disney/TheLittleMermaid Ursula]] is going to be the BigBad in ''Descendants 2''.]]

Uma and Harry are being teased as love interests, but Doherty let it slip that Harry will be "the evilest character in the movie." To modern Disney fans, you don't get more credentials for evil than playing the "[[Disney/{{Frozen}} If only there was someone out there who loved you]]" card.

Sons just because it's fun to flip gender dynamics around. They're cousins who were best friends growing up, but are drifting because [[Disney/{{Frozen}} Elsa's]] son is feeling both pressures of being crown prince and trying to control the powers he inherited from his mother. At a pivotal moment, Elsa's son will realize it's time to "Let it Go", possibly in a showdown with Uma. There may be a scene where Anna's son nearly sacrifices himself for his cousin as his mother did for her sister. Witnessing such altruism may start Uma's HeelFaceTurn.

* It'll be [[Disney/{{Gargoyles}} Alexander Fox Xanatos]].

** Unfortunately, this seems to be {{jossed}}; looking at promotional material, it seems that [[Disney/{{Hercules}} Hades]] (or, maybe, the new daughter of [[Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog Facilier]], though it seems unlikely) will be the main antagonist.

Crazy theory I know. But one I thought of and decided to share because why not. What if Dizzy turns out Dizzy was EvilAllAlong and is actually the one pulling the strings from behind the scenes. She is probably the most beneath suspicion person on the entire Isles. Maybe not exactly EvilAllAlong but instead trying to destroy the barrier to free the Isle. I recognise this is a kind of crack theory and is very unlikely to be true. But it came to my mind as a sort of crazy what if and I thought I might as well put it here.

[[WMG: Audrey will be the BigBad of ''Descendents 3'']]
Bear with me here; Celia, in one of the trailers, claims that Auradon with be brought down from within and that the events of the movie will cause some friendships to bind or break. This suggests someone from Auradon is responsible. In another trailer, Audrey seems upset over Ben's proposal to Mal. It's also stated that the culprit steals Maleficient's scepter and the queen's crown; who would want the queen's crown besides someone who wants to be queen but knows she never can be? My theory is that Audrey steals the scepter and crown out of jealousy for Mal (since both of the things are, in a sense, rightfully Mal's) and enacted the curse in order to frame the VKs so she could be rid of Mal and have a chance with Ben again or alternately, she's just out for revenge and has no real plan other than that.

It should also be mentioned that they don't have the same views on villains over there that people in Auradon have, due to Disney shows tending to be a bit more [[GrayAndWhiteMorality morally gray]] than the Disney films portrayed in the franchise so far. They give villains chances to make a HeelFaceTurn (eg [[WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb Doofenshmirtz]]), keep them permanently dead (because shit would hit the fan pretty quickly if villains like [[WesternAnimation/GravityFalls Bill Cipher]] or [[WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil Toffee]] were resurrected just to be stuck on a prison island), or consider them nuisances at worst. Consequently, Auradon is making an effort to hide the Isle of the Lost's existence from this other country, knowing that they would disapprove at best and cut off all ties with Auradon at worst.

* [[spoiler: She, Hades, and the Faciliers jointly conspired together to convince Auradon's leaders to bring the barrier down for good. They didn't play any role in making Audrey go on a rampage, but Celia and her father did ''predict'' it would happen. Hoping that Uma could devise a plan to turn this to their advantage, they met her at the barrier's edge and told her all about what was coming. Celia also told Hades during one of her errand runs, and he volunteered to help. His initial attempt to bust through the barrier failed, but served to remind Mal about her father's Ember. In returning to the Isle to acquire the Ember, the Core Four allowed Harry and Gil the chance to escape. This gave Uma enough manpower, together with her amulet and the stolen Ember, to pressure Mal to promise freedom for the Isle's kids, as we see in the film. But her plan went deeper than that: Uma knew that if anyone - Audrey (as actually happened), one of the [=VKs=], or an [=AK=] ally - got mortally wounded in the conflict, Mal would insist that Hades restore them. This would leave Auradon's leadership in a deeply-indebted position, and would - as the Faciliers' card-reading foretold, and as the film's events bore out - result in the abolition of the exile system. This accounts for the ever-so-convenient timing of so many events in the film: Harry, Gil, and Uma all turning up at the right moment; Hades catching Mal's hand when she first tried to snatch the Ember; Celia dousing the Ember (thus ensuring Mal would ''have'' to beg Uma's aid and would owe her big-time); even Dr. Facilier ''not'' asking Celia why she needed Hades' key. It was all part of their shared scheme to exploit Audrey's hissy-fit and get the barrier taken down.]]

[[spoiler: acording to Celia, he asked about Mal all the time. Also sevaral of his lines in Do What You Gotta Do seem to indicate that he regrets noy being there for her. My theory is that after he left Malificent she wouldn't let him be around Mal. Possibly by threatining him or Mal herself. As for why he kept that underwraps, he didn't want it to get out that either he was afraid of his ex-wife or that someone could get to him through his daughter.]]

[[WMG: Dizzy will turn out to be secret BigBad of Descendants 3]]

[[WMG: Audrey will be the BigBad of Descendents 3]]

[[WMG:Descendants 3 will be InMemoriam to Cameron Boyce]]

* Or maybe she ''did'' intend to use 101, but was a couple of pups short at the time Pongo's and Perdita's litter was abducted.

[[WMG:Mal's father is Dr. Facilier.]]

[[WMG:Carlos and Jay are fraternal twins.]]

[[WMG: Cinderella's stepfamily will appear in the sequel.]]

[[WMG: [[Disney/TheLittleMermaid Ursula]] is going to be the BigBad in Descendants 2.]]

[[WMG: At least one of the main 4 VKs will get captured by the villains of Descendants 2.]]

** [[spoiler: Seems '''Jossed''' unless Uma is unaware of her father's identity. In ''3'', Uma needs to be bargained with to assist in stopping the threat to Auradon, even though Dr. Facilier's daughter - here named Celia, and Dizzy's age - is a new Auradon Prep recruit and in danger. Uma doesn't seem like she'd abandon her little (half-)sister just because she resents Mal.]]

** [[spoiler: '''Jossed'''; there is no reference to Ariel, and Uma spent the time between films searching the Isle's barrier for underwater weaknesses.]]

** [[spoiler: '''Jossed''': Dizzy does appear, but is a minor supporting character only.]]

** Jay is clearly one of the healthiest, hardiest teenagers seen on the Isle, and his interactions with his father seem more like snarky banter than intimidation or domineering. Jafar may not have shown ''affection'' for his son, but he doesn't seem to have neglected Jay or unduly brainwashed him either.

** Jossed

* Partially Jossed- he does remain loyal to her, but comes out completely unscathed

[[WMG: Dizzy and Chad will have some animosity in Descendants 3]]

Such villains have become much more typical of Disney movies in the past couple of decades, and it makes sense that one would appear later in this film series, after the over-the-top baddies' theatrics and {{Narm}} have lulled Aurodon's defenders into assuming there's no such thing as a subtle villain. Such a villain-in-good-guy clothing could charm their way onto the list of new [=VK=]s to be welcomed at Aurodon Prep, only to reveal their treacherous true colors - and, perhaps, their true ''parentage'', e.g. if they were well-known as the child of a lesser antagonist like Helga Sinclair, but nobody knew that ''Hans'' was their father - as a surprise mastermind who's been playing both the heroes ''and'' the more overt villains for chumps.

* '''Confrimed''', of course. There's a [[TearJerker memorial dedication]] at the film's beginning ''and'' [[HeartwarmingMoments a montage of outtakes that pay homage to his talent and spirit]] at the end.

* '''Confrimed''', of course. There's a [[TearJerker memorial dedication]] at the film's beginning ''and'' [[HeartWarming a montage of outtakes that pay homage to his talent and spirit]] at the end.

* '''Confrimed''', of course. There's a [[TearJerker memorial dedication]] at the film's beginning ''and'' [[MomentOfHeartwarming a montage of outtakes that pay homage to his talent and spirit]] at the end.

* '''Confrimed''', of course. There's a memorial statement at the beginning ''and'' a montage of outtakes that pay homage to his talent and spirit at the end.

* Except it would be ''more'' disrespectful to cut an actor's performance in his final movie. Cameron was a gifted professional; he deserves to have his last work seen by everyone.

* Except it would be ''more'' disrespectful to cut an actor's performance in his SwanSong movie. Cameron was a gifted professional; he deserves to have his last work seen by everyone.

* Except it would be ''more'' disrespectful to cut an actor's performance in his SwanSong movie. Cameron was a professional; he deserves to have his last work seen by everyone.

* I was thinking that too! Maybe they'll have to cut aome scenes where Carlos is in danger, since it could be seen as insensitive to his death.