History WMG / Bayonetta

[[WMG: Bayonetta is [[{{Exalted}} an Exalt.]]]]

Namely, to Creator/{{Sega}} for a number of mismanagements of P*'s properties and to fans who are protesting its WiiU exclusivity.

I know, it sounds weird, but think about it. Loki is capable of causing past events to happen once again, is capable of manipulating the Remembrances of Time, and even managed to use Time Travel to go 500 years into the future, abit losing his memories in the process. On the other hand, Loptr is seen scrying upon Bayonetta's fight with Valor, and makes use of astral projections of himself to fight rather than going himself. He also makes heavy use of Telekenesis, which is a good indicator for a SpaceMaster.

* Ed and/or Edna who're for some reason tagging along on Bayonetta's new journey after a 10~ year time skip.

* '''Bayonetta''': Shinji's envisionment of the Eva units and the maternal figures in his life like Misatao and Rei. Extremely strong and sexual dominant females who can defeat any Angel, and with a force of personality/will he secretly wishes he could have. [[spoiler:And the one who forcibly rejected Gendo's plans for their own.]]

* '''Jublies''': More or less Angel Rei in a nutshell.

** Hey, Dante was a SecretCharacter in the PS2 version of the first ''Viewtiful Joe'', and the spirit of his Alastor sword from the first game is a recurring character in the ''Viewtiful Joe'' series, so it's not farfetched by any means. While not necessarily canon, ''VideoGame/{{Namco x Capcom}}'' and ''[[VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3 MvC3]]'' run with a similar premise connecting several Capcom series (such as ''VideoGame/{{Darkstalkers}}'' and ''VideoGame/GhostsNGoblins'', among others).

Both have Angels as enemies, an AncientConspiracy, and FlyMeToTheMoon as a recurring theme (there's probably other similarities, but I'm not familiar with the series). Bayonetta herself also looks like a grown-up version of Mari Illustrious Makinami.

[[WMG: Jeanne had commissioned Rodin to make Alruna as a Christmas present for Bayonetta, which is why she went after the two of them.]]
Alruna is one of the few weapons in either game not obtained through a Golden LP, but Rodin doesn't seem to be charging Bayonetta for weapon at all (theoretically, the reason he didn't charge for the others was because the trip to Inferno led him fighting a ton of other demons, and collecting their orbs as a result and as a sort of payment). Yet, he mentions it as a "payday," even though he just GIVES it to her. Why would he do that?

Someone else paid already - Jeanne. Rodin was working on it already and had been for what seems like some time when the game begins, meaning he'd at least been given a retainer of some sort. This also explains why Alraune wants to kill Bayonetta and Jeanne; at some point, word gets to her that an Umbra Witch has called for her destruction and conversion into a weapon (essentially slavery, as well as AndIMustScream territory), and while the power she'd gain by devouring one or the other isn't inconsiderable, it's also essential to avoid having her plans destroyed by a demon weaponsmith who had basically never failed to obtain the soul of a demon for his weapons before. That's why she sets Gomorrah free; that was her first chance to go after them.

The other explanation is that being summoned through a medium, like an Umbra Witch's hair or a Lumen Sage's feathers, dampens impacts on both ends; making it so that while Gomorrah may not be able to kick ass at the same strength it would down in Inferno, it's also resistant to beatings it receives. If the summoned demon or angel is killed after it's brought out to fight, it simply backs out of the summon and regains consciousness in Paradiso or Inferno, fully alive.

Bayonetta borrows as much from [[WordOfDante political medieval writings]] and NorseMythology as it does from Literature/TheBible. Now, Norse gods were hard to kill but still died. Balder's death signaled the end of the world, but his rebirth signaled the start of a new one. Balder wasn't always a nice guy either, until later medieval writers turned him into a Christ figure because he represented light. If he isn't Balder, the game's plot lucked into some symbolism.

*** No, the above three plus Lao from BujingaiTheForsakenCity. ''That'' would be utterly awesome.

Bayonetta is going to get a sequel which somehow increases the {{HSQ}} in the series, and Platinum Games is going to go on to become a studio which produces nothing but hits. Kamiya, Mikami, and Inaba, already a cause for fandom rejoicing, are going to quickly become well known like HideoKojima or ShigeruMiyamoto.

Itsuno and [=CPS1=] were handed the sequel to Devil May Cry before Kamiya had the chance to know what was going on... Which is strange, because before DevilMayCry was released Kamiya was responsible for making VideoGame/ResidentEvil2, which is widely considered the best game in the series back when the games had fixed camera views and no Ganados or Plagas virus.

After the third and fourth games in the DevilMayCry series failed to really innovate or evolve, Kamiya was finally motivated enough to gather his faithful team, lay down the design document, and say "This. This is how Devil May Cry should have evolved. My will be done."

* Bayonetta's witch status means she'll probably go to hell when she dies... Dante breaks into Hell on a regular basis... maybe there's some potential for a teamup or RescueRomance there if Bayonetta needs some help getting out...

** If we use that as evidence that ''Bayonetta'' and ''DMC'' are in the same universe, then ''Franchise/ResidentEvil'', ''ViewtifulJoe'', and ''{{Okami}}'' all share this universe too.

[[WMG: As long as Bayonetta receives at least one well-received sequel, a crossover game with DevilMayCry is inevitable]]

* Not until the true crossover happens, when they bring in the third and final piece, a three-way crossover with GodHand. Dante as the half human/half demon, Bayonetta as the human witch who bears darkness and light, and Gene, wielding the power of God in his arms. Truly, the best crossover in history.

Rodin is already confirmed for Tag Climax. Why would they make a character with such a radically different play style and only make him appear in a mode that most gamers will ignore?

* So like, "Light & Darkness"? A classic, that one.

Keeping with the theme of Jeanne, the first rival, having a track named "Red and Black." The last fight could also be a DarkReprise á la "Blood and Darkness" with a corresponding grittier name based on whatever the first track name is.

[[WMG: As long as Bayonetta receives at least one well received sequel, a crossover game with DevilMayCry is inevitable]]

*** No, the above three plus Lau from BujingaiTheForsakenCity.

* An addition must be made here. I quote from the director himself according to [[http://www.gamespot.com/news/6207621.html this]] Q&A session, "I did not play [=DMC1=] not even once while developing Bayonetta (I have played about half of [=DMC4=] as part of my research study though). I have deliberately created Bayonetta from scratch and tried to make the game as original as possible". There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. After playing only ''half'' of the latest installment in his [[strike:stolen]] formerly owned series, he gathered his faithful team, laid out the plans and said the above.

[[WMG: Related to the above... While Kamiya's name is more well known than the average director's, he's not a household name. Yet. But he will be, along with the other directors.]]
Bayonetta is going to get a sequel which somehow increases the {{HSQ}} in the series, and Platinum Games is going to go on to become a studio which produces nothing but hits. Kamiya, Mikami, and Inaba, already a cause for fandom rejoicing are going to quickly become well known like HideoKojima or ShigeruMiyamoto.

[[spoiler: Balder states that, for Bayonetta to become the Left Eye, she had to "see the world through the eyes of an innocent", which is why he had her encounter her younger self. But because of the StableTimeLoop, all Bayonetta's memories of her mother are actually her future personality. And the Eyes of the World were never stones at all; rather, they were people. The fact that one Eye belonged to each faction probably means that their power somehow manifested in the members of the different clans, but taking in to account Balder's exposition, it seems more likely that for each Eye to regain power, there had to be a unity of light, dark, and human- like the unity Jubileus is supposed to signify.]]
* [[spoiler: Therefore, I put forth that Balder and Bayonetta's mother having relations with each other signified a unification of both sides in each of them. This made Balder capable of becoming the Right Eye of the World, and Bayonetta's mother able to become the Left. They were only exposed when the latter became pregnant and Bayonetta was born. While Balder's plan was to use his influence to bring back Jubileus, Bayonetta's mother was planning to use her alignment to wipe out the enemies of Queen Sheba, Inferno's ruler.]]
** [[spoiler: Because Sheba was formed from the darkness Jubileus left behind after Armageddon, Inferno works by occupying power vacuums; if something happened to completely wipe Jubileus out, Sheba gets all the remaining paranormal domain. In fact, even if Jubileus was revived, it wouldn't be a complete loss, because Infernal creatures could freely move around in the unified realities. Either way, Bayonetta's mother was planning on fouling up Balder's machinations and restoring the powers of hell instead of the ruler of heaven.]]

[[spoiler: And now that Bayonetta's killed so many angels and destroyed Jubileus? [[OhCrap There's probably nothing to stop Inferno from becoming more active and trying to take over]].]]

Normally this would be a really out-there theory considering Bayonetta's fully capable of curb-stomping Father Rodin when he transformed, but as one notation in the main Bayonetta entry adds- he was considered to be so powerful at one time, even ''Jubileus'' feared him.

* [[spoiler: While Jubileus is listed as a God, she's not necessarily ''the'' supreme, only God. She's described as being at the epicenter of the previous destruction of the world/event that split the universe into three realities. Furthermore, the idea of needing to sacrifice thousands of lives to power her artificial husk is at odds with the traditional idea of an omnipotent God. Furthermore, the ability of Queen Sheba to so effortlessly kill her suggests that there are entities more powerful than her (unless Queen Sheba is her Dark half, but even so...) She seems to be a god, and presumably mistress of the angels, but not the supreme being per se, since Bayonetta kills her with relative ease.]]
** [[spoiler: The reason that Queen Sheba was able to finish off Jubileus so easily was that Bayonetta had already beaten the fight out of her. The fight with Father Balder pretty conclusively showed that the Summons were below Bayonetta in damage dealing and taking, and that they could be easily beaten by someone that was still in a condition where they could fight back.]]
** [[spoiler: The reason that Bayonetta was able to fight back against Jubileus in the first place is probably because Bayonetta, The Left Eye of the World, was pulled out before Jubileus awoke, leaving Jubileus at somewhere below full power.]]

[[spoiler: This said, however, it's quite possible that Rodin belongs to a faction of angels who weren't on-board with the whole "purge the universe" thing. It would make sense that this sort of plan is not universally approved-of, since it would necessarily involve the deaths of all the inhabitants of Paradiso, and if some of Inferno's denizens can be relatively benign, as suggested in various flavor documents, it only makes sense for angels to be the same way.]]

The crazy, over-the-top action, the incredible power, come on, you know what it adds up to. Specifically, she's an Infernal. All of the various Crowning Moments of Awesome in the game are three-die stunts, and the final cutscene [[spoiler: implies that she starts taking Heresy charms.]]

* While I'm not a fan of these cheap excuses (if you're so confident with your faith why do you need to pretend canon gods are false?), I'd like to think of God[dess] in the game as divided between two: Jubileus and Queen Sheba (the demon Bayonetta summoned to kill Jubileus). They were split when Bayonetta was rescued.

Bayonetta borrows as much from [[WordOfDante political medieval writings]] and NorseMythology as it does from Literature/TheBible. Now Norse gods were hard to kill but still died. Balder's death singled the end of the world but his rebirth signaled the start of a new one. Balder wasn't always a nice guy either, until later medieval writers turned him into a Christ figure because he represented light. If he isn't Balder, the game's plot lucked into some symbolism.

[[WMG: [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/AsurasWrath Chakratarvin]] is either Jubileus's Husband or Father.]]]]
Both characters in appearance are visually based on Hindu gods, so it makes sense that they are related. Both also share the Title of Creator. Chakravatin is Obviously the stronger of the two and likely only rivaled by Queen Sheba herself (And [[VideoGame/AsurasWrath Asura]] himself, too).


[[WMG: The Left Eye and Right Eye [[spoiler: are titles passed down from person-to-person throughout the clans, with the powers included.]]]]
Most likely the stone that Bayonetta has and the alleged Right Eye gem [[spoiler: act more like power amplifiers, that its respective Eye must have come into contact with.]] Also in the case of the Umbra Witch Clan [[spoiler: and how they handle who gets to be the clan leader, it would make sense for the victor of the fight to also gain the right to become the Left Eye, explaining why Bayonetta possesses "the most beloved of Umbran Treasures".]]

[[WMG: Jubileus and Sheba are one, the later's power is embodied by the left eye and darkness in this world is plain more powerful.]]

Balder is weaker than Bayonetta, the light he wields is just the smaller part of the original being whereas humanity's wickedness and the rather derranged world diverted most of the original power to Sheba. If the resurrection was complete with Bayonetta, it's possible that the resulting being would have Jubileus righteous mind and Sheba's sheer power.

It also makes you think why there was an Armageddon in the first place, maybe the original Jubileus got to much corrupt to wield her own power and broke herself apart.
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Since these respective orders seem to be gender restricted, but (at least in Bayonetta's case) seemingly hereditary this must be the only option. Witch-born males are human, and Sage-born females are also human.

Think about it. It's possible that [[spoiler: Balder and Rosa]] had twins, but chose to only reveal one to their clans; if having one child together meant becoming exiled, the punishment for two would certainly be death. The second child was passed off as the son of another Lumen Sage and his true heritage was never revealed.

The one from the trailer? Perhaps. Now that Jeanne [[spoiler: is no longer under the sages' mind control and is most certainly on Bayonetta's side, we need a new rival]], and who could fill that role? Why not the mysterious figure from the trailer? And, just like in the first game, he could become a playable character like Jeanne was.

We all know that reality is split into 3, Paradiso (Light), Inferno (Dark) and Pirgatorio (Chaos). There are of course Angels and Demons. And the in game spiel says stuff lives in Purgatorio. So will the ''really'' Eldritch Abominations show up later?

The whole "shit happens, demons overrun the world" thing in ''VideoGame/BulletWitch'' wasn't caused by [[ExcusePlot wasn't caused by whatever happened in that game]] (I haven't played it) but by Bayonetta [[NiceJobBreakingItHero killing Jubileus and shifting the cosmic power in favor of Inferno]]. [[IDidWhatIHadToDo There may not have been any alternative course of action]].

* There is more. It seems that, in the manual of the first ''DMC'', there is written a testimony, which is similar to how he speaks in ''Bayonett''a. Also, in the manga of ''Devil May Cry 3'', he is portrayed with the same cowardice that in the game.
* Another think interesting is that, one of the girls Luka mentioned to Bayonetta its named "Trish".

* The appearance of Enzo, Dante's manager(?), in Bayonetta support this theory.

* Yeah, or all those things you mentioned she can do happens when you make a DealWithTheDevil. She's not mortal and a shapeshifting witch, those have benefits
* By extension, Lumen Sages are also not human. Judging by Balder's outfit, [[spoiler: they're peacock spirits possessing human bodies]].

* Not until the true crossover happens, when they bring in the third and final piece, a threeway crossover with GodHand. Dante as the half human/half demon, Bayonetta as the human witch who bears darkness and light, and Gene, wielding the power of God in his arms. Truly, the best crossover in history.

* Honestly, most of the angels are already pretty damn lovecraftian.

** While I'm not a fan of these cheap excuses (if you're so confident with your faith why do you need to pretend canon gods are false?), I'd like to think of God[dess] in the game as divided between two: Jubileus and Queen Sheba (the demon Bayonetta summoned to kill Jubileus). They were split when Bayonetta was rescued.

This game'a protagonist is a witch who made a deal with the devil for power and will be tortured in hell for the rest of existence when she eventually dies. If Sega wanted to avoid controversy by renaming some real religious figures, too late!

* Not until the true crossover happens, when they bring in the third and final piece, a threeway crossover with GodHand. Dante as the half human/half demon, Bayonetta as the human witch who bares darkness and light, and Gene, wielding the power of God in his arms. Truly, the best crossover in history.

[[WMG: Umbra Witchs aren't human]]

We all know that reality is split into 3, Paradiso (Light), Inferno (Dark) and Pirgatorio (Chaos). There are of course Angels and Demons. And the in game spiel says stuff lives in Purgatorio. So will the ''really'' Eldritch Abominations show up later?

* The inclusion of co-op also definitely opens up the gates for more characters.