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[[WMG: No character in Bayonetta is supposed to be the equivalent of any public domain figure unless state otherwise.]]
This game protagonist is a witch who made a deal with the devil for power and will be tortured in hell for the rest of existence when she eventually dies. If Sega wanted to avoid controversy by renaming some real religious figures too late!
Yes, Cleopatra is still a witch, yes Sheba is female in this story, but Jubileus is not God and Rodin is not the Devil. In addition to qualities that conflict with scripture's take on God, Jubileus is classified as an angel. Rodin speaks of the Devil in third person several times, as if he is someone else and "he" probably isn't a giant lady. Inferno is not the hell Jesus warned of and Paradiso is not his heaven, they are the result of Jubileus breaking the world into three pieces during a fight, as stated. This applies to Devil May Cry too. Mudus is not the Devil, Mundus is just a big ambitious demon named Mundus.
This game protagonist is a witch who made a deal with the devil for power and will be tortured in hell for the rest of existence when she eventually dies. If Sega wanted to avoid controversy by renaming some real religious figures too late!
Yes, Cleopatra is still a witch, yes Sheba is female in this story, but Jubileus is not God and Rodin is not the Devil. In addition to qualities that conflict with scripture's take on God, Jubileus is classified as an angel. Rodin speaks of the Devil in third person several times, as if he is someone else and "he" probably isn't a giant lady. Inferno is not the hell Jesus warned of and Paradiso is not his heaven, they are the result of Jubileus breaking the world into three pieces during a fight, as stated. This applies to Devil May Cry too. Mudus is not the Devil, Mundus is just a big ambitious demon named Mundus.
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[[WMG: No character in Bayonetta is supposed to be the equivalent of any public domain figure unless state stated otherwise.]]
Thisgame game'a protagonist is a witch who made a deal with the devil for power and will be tortured in hell for the rest of existence when she eventually dies. If Sega wanted to avoid controversy by renaming some real religious figures figures, too late!
Yes, Cleopatra is still a witch, yes Sheba is female in this story, but Jubileus is not God and Rodin is not the Devil. In addition to qualities that conflict with scripture's take on God, Jubileus is classified as an angel. Rodin speaks of the Devil in third person several times, as if he is someone else and "he" probably isn't a giantlady. lady either. Inferno is not the hell Jesus warned of and Paradiso is not his heaven, they are the result of Jubileus breaking the world into three pieces during a fight, as stated.stated several times in the game. This applies to Devil May Cry too. Mudus is not the Devil, Mundus is just a big ambitious demon named Mundus.
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Yes, Cleopatra is still a witch, yes Sheba is female in this story, but Jubileus is not God and Rodin is not the Devil. In addition to qualities that conflict with scripture's take on God, Jubileus is classified as an angel. Rodin speaks of the Devil in third person several times, as if he is someone else and "he" probably isn't a giant
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[[WMG: The Left Eye and Right Eye [[spoiler: are titles passed down from person-to-person throughout the clans]], with the powers included.]]
Most likely the stone that Bayonetta has and the alleged Right Eye gem [[spoiler: act more like power amplifiers, that its respective Eye must have come into contact with.]] Also in the case of the Umbra Witch Clan [[spoiler: and how they handle who gets to be the clan leader, it would make sense for the victor of the fight to also gain the right to become the Left Eye, explaining why Bayonetta possesses "the most beloved of Umbran Treasures".]]
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[[WMG: [[spoiler: [[AsurasWrath Chakratarvin]]]] is either Jubileus's Husband or Father.]]]]
Both characters in appareance are visually based on Hindu gods, so it makes sense that theyare related. Both also share the Title of Creator.
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Both characters inappareance appearance are visually based on Hindu gods, so it makes sense that theyare related. Both also share the Title of Creator.
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Bayonetta borrows as much from [[WordOfDante political medieval writings]] and NorseMythology as it does from TheBible. Now Norse gods were hard to kill but still died. Balder's death singled the end of the world but his rebirth signaled the start of a new one. Balder wasn't always a nice guy either, until later medieval writers turned him into a Christ figure because he represented light. If he isn't Balder, the game's plot lucked into some symbolism.
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Bayonetta borrows as much from [[WordOfDante political medieval writings]] and NorseMythology as it does from TheBible.Literature/TheBible. Now Norse gods were hard to kill but still died. Balder's death singled the end of the world but his rebirth signaled the start of a new one. Balder wasn't always a nice guy either, until later medieval writers turned him into a Christ figure because he represented light. If he isn't Balder, the game's plot lucked into some symbolism.
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[[WMG: No character in Bayonetta is supposed to be the equivalent of any public domain figure unless state otherwise.]]
This game protagonist is a witch who made a deal with the devil for power and will be tortured in hell for the rest of existence when she eventually dies. If Sega wanted to avoid controversy by renaming some real religious figures too late!
Yes, Cleopatra is still a witch, yes Sheba is female in this story, but Jubileus is not God and Rodin is not the Devil. In addition to qualities that conflict with scripture's take on God, Jubileus is classified as an angel. Rodin speaks of the Devil in third person several times, as if he is someone else and "he" probably isn't a giant lady. Inferno is not the hell Jesus warned of and Paradiso is not his heaven, they are the result of Jubileus breaking the world into three pieces during a fight, as stated. This applies to Devil May Cry too. Mudus is not the Devil, Mundus is just a big ambitious demon named Mundus.
[[WMG: But that may mean Balder is Balder.]]
Bayonetta borrows as much from [[WordOfDante political medieval writings]] and NorseMythology as it does from TheBible. Now Norse gods were hard to kill but still died. Balder's death singled the end of the world but his rebirth signaled the start of a new one. Balder wasn't always a nice guy either, until later medieval writers turned him into a Christ figure because he represented light. If he isn't Balder, the game's plot lucked into some symbolism.
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** While I'm not a fan of these cheap excuses (if you're so confident with your faith why do you need to pretend canon gods are false?), I'd like to think of God[dess] in the game as divided between two: Jubileus and Queen Sheba (the demon Bayonetta summoned to kill Jubileus). They were split when Bayonetta was rescued.
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** Hey, Dante was a SecretCharacter in the PS2 version of the first ''Viewtiful Joe'', and the spirit of his Alastor sword from the first game is a recurring character in the ''Viewtiful Joe'' series, so it's not farfetched by any means. While not necessarily canon, ''VideoGame/{{Namco x Capcom}}'' and ''[[MarvelVsCapcom3 MvC3]]'' run with a similar premise connecting several Capcom series (such as ''VideoGame/{{Darkstalkers}}'' and ''[=~Ghosts 'n Goblins~=]'', among others).
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** Hey, Dante was a SecretCharacter in the PS2 version of the first ''Viewtiful Joe'', and the spirit of his Alastor sword from the first game is a recurring character in the ''Viewtiful Joe'' series, so it's not farfetched by any means. While not necessarily canon, ''VideoGame/{{Namco x Capcom}}'' and ''[[MarvelVsCapcom3 ''[[VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3 MvC3]]'' run with a similar premise connecting several Capcom series (such as ''VideoGame/{{Darkstalkers}}'' and ''[=~Ghosts 'n Goblins~=]'', among others).
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** This WMG has some truth to it, now that PlatinumGames is developing MetalGearRisingRevengeance.
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*** Hey, Dante was a SecretCharacter in the PS2 version of the first ''Viewtiful Joe'', and the spirit of his Alastor sword from the first game is a recurring character in the ''Viewtiful Joe'' series, so it's not farfetched by any means. While not necessarily canon, ''VideoGame/{{Namco x Capcom}}'' and ''[[MarvelVsCapcom3 MvC3]]'' run with a similar premise connecting several Capcom series (such as ''VideoGame/{{Darkstalkers}}'' and ''[=~Ghosts 'n Goblins~=]'', among others).
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* Another think interesting is that, one of the girls Luka mentioned to Bayonetta, it's named "Trish".
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**** Sadly, artwork [[WordOfGod of God]] tells us that the Trish, Sylvia, Claire, and Ammy he mentioned were not old flames of his. [[http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110427212019/bayonetta/images/b/b1/Luka.png It's something more adorable.]]
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[[WMG: All the Angels Bayonetta fought...]]
... were rebelling against against the real Lord Almighty. They were unsatisfied with this balance between light and darkness and felt they should rule. Jubileus was their leader and their Creator, but not the creator of all things. Needless to say, after beatdowns from Bayonetta, they went the way of Lucifer... without the power.
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*** Hey, Dante was a SecretCharacter in the PS2 version of the first ''Viewtiful Joe'', and the spirit of his Alastor sword from the first game is a recurring character in the ''Viewtiful Joe'' series, so it's not farfetched by any means. While not necessarily canon, ''VideoGame/{{Namco x Capcom}}'' and ''[[MarvelVsCapcom3 MvC3]]'' run with a similar premise connecting several Capcom series (such as ''{{Darkstalkers}}'' and ''[=~Ghosts 'n Goblins~=]'', among others).
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*** Hey, Dante was a SecretCharacter in the PS2 version of the first ''Viewtiful Joe'', and the spirit of his Alastor sword from the first game is a recurring character in the ''Viewtiful Joe'' series, so it's not farfetched by any means. While not necessarily canon, ''VideoGame/{{Namco x Capcom}}'' and ''[[MarvelVsCapcom3 MvC3]]'' run with a similar premise connecting several Capcom series (such as ''{{Darkstalkers}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Darkstalkers}}'' and ''[=~Ghosts 'n Goblins~=]'', among others).
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*** Hey, Dante was a SecretCharacter in the PS2 version of the first ''Viewtiful Joe'', and the spirit of his Alastor sword from the first game is a recurring character in the ''Viewtiful Joe'' series, so it's not farfetched by any means. While not necessarily canon, ''{{Namco x Capcom}}'' and ''[[MarvelVsCapcom3 MvC3]]'' run with a similar premise connecting several Capcom series (such as ''{{Darkstalkers}}'' and ''[=~Ghosts 'n Goblins~=]'', among others).
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*** Hey, Dante was a SecretCharacter in the PS2 version of the first ''Viewtiful Joe'', and the spirit of his Alastor sword from the first game is a recurring character in the ''Viewtiful Joe'' series, so it's not farfetched by any means. While not necessarily canon, ''{{Namco ''VideoGame/{{Namco x Capcom}}'' and ''[[MarvelVsCapcom3 MvC3]]'' run with a similar premise connecting several Capcom series (such as ''{{Darkstalkers}}'' and ''[=~Ghosts 'n Goblins~=]'', among others).
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The whole " shit happens, demons overrun the world" thing in BulletWitch wasn't caused by [[ExcusePlot wasn't caused by whatever happened in that game]] (I haven't played it) but by Bayonetta [[NiceJobBreakingItHero killing Jubileus and shifting the cosmic power in favor of Inferno]]. [[IDidWhatIHadToDo There may not have been any alternative course of action]].
[[WMG: Bayonetta and DevilMayCry share the same universe]]
Apart from sharing the same genre, and having similar themes, other signs seem to indicate more than a superficial connection. Amongst other things, the demon spider Phantasmaraneae, and the artifact the Bracelet/Bangle of time. This might also explain why no genuinely angelic influences have been seen in a DMC game, they couldn't care what the demons do, all will be well once their savior Jubileus is revived.
[[WMG: Bayonetta and DevilMayCry share the same universe]]
Apart from sharing the same genre, and having similar themes, other signs seem to indicate more than a superficial connection. Amongst other things, the demon spider Phantasmaraneae, and the artifact the Bracelet/Bangle of time. This might also explain why no genuinely angelic influences have been seen in a DMC game, they couldn't care what the demons do, all will be well once their savior Jubileus is revived.
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The whole " shit "shit happens, demons overrun the world" thing in BulletWitch ''BulletWitch'' wasn't caused by [[ExcusePlot wasn't caused by whatever happened in that game]] (I haven't played it) but by Bayonetta [[NiceJobBreakingItHero killing Jubileus and shifting the cosmic power in favor of Inferno]]. [[IDidWhatIHadToDo There may not have been any alternative course of action]].
[[WMG: Bayonetta [[WMG:''Bayonetta'' and DevilMayCry ''DevilMayCry'' share the same universe]]
Apart from sharing the same genre, and having similar themes, other signs seem to indicate more than a superficial connection. Amongst other things, the demon spider Phantasmaraneae, and the artifact the Bracelet/Bangle of time. This might also explain why no genuinely angelic influences have been seen in aDMC ''DMC'' game, they couldn't care what the demons do, all will be well once their savior Jubileus is revived.
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* Bayonetta's witch status means she'll probably go to hell when she dies...Dante breaks into Hell on a regular basis...maybe there's some potential for a teamup or RescueRomance there if Bayonetta needs some help getting out...
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* There is more. It seems that, in the manual of the firs DMC, there is written a testimony, which is similar to how he speaks in Bayonetta. Also, in the manga of "Devil May Cry 3", he is portrayed with the same cowardice that in the game.
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* There is more. It seems that, in the manual of the firs DMC, first ''DMC'', there is written a testimony, which is similar to how he speaks in Bayonetta. ''Bayonett''a. Also, in the manga of "Devil ''Devil May Cry 3", 3'', he is portrayed with the same cowardice that in the game.
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** If we use that as evidence that Bayonetta and DMC are in the same universe, then ResidentEvil, ViewtifulJoe and {{Okami}} all share this universe too.
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** If we use that as evidence that Bayonetta ''Bayonetta'' and DMC ''DMC'' are in the same universe, then ResidentEvil, ViewtifulJoe ''ResidentEvil'', ''ViewtifulJoe'', and {{Okami}} ''{{Okami}}'' all share this universe too.
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*** Hey, Dante was a SecretCharacter in the PS2 version of the first ''Viewtiful Joe'', and the spirit of his Alastor sword from the first game is a recurring character in the ''Viewtiful Joe'' series, so it's not farfetched by any means. While not necessarily canon, ''{{Namco x Capcom}}'' and ''[[MarvelVsCapcom3 MvC3]]'' run with a similar premise connecting several Capcom series (such as ''{{Darkstalkers}}'' and ''[=~Ghosts 'n Goblins~=]'', among others).
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* By extension, Lumen Sages are also not human. Judging by Balder's outfit, [[spoiler: they're peacock spirits possessing human bodies]].
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* Not until the true crossover happens, when they bring in the third and final piece, a threeway crossover with GodHand. Dante as the half human/half demon, Bayonetta as the human witch who bares darkness and light, and Gene, wielding the power of God in his arms. Truly, the best crossover in history
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* Not until the true crossover happens, when they bring in the third and final piece, a threeway crossover with GodHand. Dante as the half human/half demon, Bayonetta as the human witch who bares darkness and light, and Gene, wielding the power of God in his arms. Truly, the best crossover in history
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** No, the true best crossover in history is both the above two series, plus AsurasWrath. THEN you have the best crossover ever.
** No, the true best crossover in history is both the above two series, plus AsurasWrath. THEN you have the best crossover ever.
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[[WMG: Bayonetta is [[{{Exalted}} an Exalt.]]]]
The crazy, over-the-top action, the incredible power, come on, you know what it adds up to. Specifically, she's an Infernal. All of the various Crowning Moments of Awesome in the game are three-die stunts, and the final cutscene [[spoiler: implies that she starts taking Heresy charms.]]
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[[WMG: Bayonetta is an AlternateUniverse of NeonGenesisEvangelion.]]
Both have Angels as enemies, an AncientConspiracy, and FlyMeToTheMoon as a recurring theme (there's probably other similarities, but I'm not familiar with the series). Bayonetta herself also looks like a grown-up version of Mari Illustrious Makinami.
Both have Angels as enemies, an AncientConspiracy, and FlyMeToTheMoon as a recurring theme (there's probably other similarities, but I'm not familiar with the series). Bayonetta herself also looks like a grown-up version of Mari Illustrious Makinami.
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*** Which would be awesome.
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** If we use that as evidence that Bayonetta and DMC are in the same universe, then ResidentEvil, ViewtifulJoe and {{Okami}} all share this universe too.
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Itsuno and CPS1 were handed the sequel to Devil May Cry before Kamiya had the chance to know what was going on and [[{{Discontinuity}} we all know how that turned out]]... Which is strange, because before DevilMayCry was released Kamiya was responsible for making ResidentEvil 2, which is widely considered the best game in the series back when the games had fixed camera views and no Ganados or Plagas virus.
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Itsuno and CPS1 [=CPS1=] were handed the sequel to Devil May Cry before Kamiya had the chance to know what was going on and [[{{Discontinuity}} we all know how that turned out]]...on... Which is strange, because before DevilMayCry was released Kamiya was responsible for making ResidentEvil 2, which is widely considered the best game in the series back when the games had fixed camera views and no Ganados or Plagas virus.
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** You're forgetting that humans can see and hear the results of Bayonetta fighting. If Bayonetta starts breaking stuff while outside of a fight, then humans will just run away. Combine that with the fact that we see the angels enter from Paradiso, and that we know that the angels exist independently of humans, there's no evidence that the bog standard angels are made from humans. That said, there are an awful lot of tubes of red stuff around the area where they're building the new Jubileus....
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[[WMG: Rodin is this universe's equivalent of none other than [[spoiler:Satan.]]]]
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[[WMG: Rodin is this universe's equivalent of none other than [[spoiler:Satan.[[spoiler:Lucifer.]]]]
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* There is more. It seems that, in the manual of the firs DMC, there is written a testimony, which is similar to how he speaks in Bayonetta. Also, in the manga of "Devil May Cry 3", he is portrayed with the same cowardice that in the game.
* Another think interesting is that, one of the girls Luka mentioned to Bayonetta, it's named "Trish".
* Another think interesting is that, one of the girls Luka mentioned to Bayonetta, it's named "Trish".
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The whole " shit happens, demons overrun the world" thing in BulletWitch wasn't caused by [[ExcusePlot wasn't caused by whatever happened in that game]] [[OrSoIHeard (I haven't played it)]] but by Bayonetta [[NiceJobBreakingItHero killing Jubileus and shifting the cosmic power in favor of Inferno]]. [[IDidWhatIHadToDo There may not have been any alternative course of action]].
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The whole " shit happens, demons overrun the world" thing in BulletWitch wasn't caused by [[ExcusePlot wasn't caused by whatever happened in that game]] [[OrSoIHeard (I haven't played it)]] it) but by Bayonetta [[NiceJobBreakingItHero killing Jubileus and shifting the cosmic power in favor of Inferno]]. [[IDidWhatIHadToDo There may not have been any alternative course of action]].
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[[RuleOfCool I'm just sayin'.]]
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The whole " shit happens, demons overrun the world" thing in BulletWitch wasn't caused by [[ExcusePlot wasn't caused by whatever happened in that game]] [[OrSoIHeard (I haven't played it)]] but by Bayonetta [[NiceJobBreakingItHero killing Jubileus and shifting the cosmic power in favor of Inferno]]. [[IDidWhatIHadToDo There may not have been any alternative course of action]].
[[RuleOfCool I'm just sayin'.]]
[[WMG: Actually....]]
The whole " shit happens, demons overrun the world" thing in BulletWitch wasn't caused by [[ExcusePlot wasn't caused by whatever happened in that game]] [[OrSoIHeard (I haven't played it)]] but by Bayonetta [[NiceJobBreakingItHero killing Jubileus and shifting the cosmic power in favor of Inferno]]. [[IDidWhatIHadToDo There may not have been any alternative course of action]].
