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* ''The Turkish Gambit'' novel from Literature/ErastFandorin series (also [[TheTurkishGambit the movie]]).

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* ''The Turkish Gambit'' novel from Literature/ErastFandorin series (also [[TheTurkishGambit [[Film/TheTurkishGambit the movie]]).
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* ''LawrenceOfArabia.''

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* ''LawrenceOfArabia.''Film/LawrenceOfArabia.''



* ''{{Ararat}}''

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* ''{{Ararat}}''''Film/{{Ararat}}''
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* In ''AxisPowersHetalia'', the MoeAnthropomorphism of Turkey ''and'' the former Ottoman Empire (Sadiq Annan) appears once or twice with his troops around.

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* In ''AxisPowersHetalia'', ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'', the MoeAnthropomorphism of Turkey ''and'' the former Ottoman Empire (Sadiq Annan) appears once or twice with his troops around.
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* The ''VideoGame/TotalWar'' series features the Ottoman Empire as a playable faction in the original ''[[VideoGame/MedievalTotalWar Medieval]]'', ''VideoGame/MedievalIITotalWar Medieval II'', ''[[VideoGame/EmpireTotalWar Empire]]'', and ''[[VideoGame/NapoleonTotalWar Napoleon]]''.

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* The ''VideoGame/TotalWar'' series features the Ottoman Empire as a playable faction in the original ''[[VideoGame/MedievalTotalWar Medieval]]'', ''VideoGame/MedievalIITotalWar ''[[VideoGame/MedievalIITotalWar Medieval II'', II]]'', ''[[VideoGame/EmpireTotalWar Empire]]'', and ''[[VideoGame/NapoleonTotalWar Napoleon]]''.
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* The ''{{Total War}}'' series features the Ottoman Empire as a playable faction in the original ''Medieval'', ''Medieval II'', ''Empire'', and ''Napoleon''.

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* The ''{{Total War}}'' ''VideoGame/TotalWar'' series features the Ottoman Empire as a playable faction in the original ''Medieval'', ''Medieval ''[[VideoGame/MedievalTotalWar Medieval]]'', ''VideoGame/MedievalIITotalWar Medieval II'', ''Empire'', ''[[VideoGame/EmpireTotalWar Empire]]'', and ''Napoleon''.''[[VideoGame/NapoleonTotalWar Napoleon]]''.
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** One of Osman I's titles was "Bone-Breaker". A society that gives these sorts of epithets out can never not be this trope.

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* GrimUpNorth: To the Byzantines anyway. Whenthey saw the flood of Turkic warriors coming into Anatolia (many as a result of fleeing from brutal Mongol invasions, mind you), all they saw were a bunch of hairy brute savages from the northeast who followed a heathenish religion (Islam, in this case), and who were really, ''really'' good at fighting.



* [[RealMenLoveJesus Real Men Love Allah]]: Osman I was a very religious man. He was also a Khan of the Oghuz Turks and therefore a complete badass. In fact, many, many, many Ottoman sultans and beys were complete badasses in addition to being pious Muslims.

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* [[RealMenLoveJesus Real Men Love Allah]]: Osman I was a very religious man. He was also a Khan of the Oghuz Turks and therefore a complete badass. In fact, many, many, many Ottoman sultans and beys were complete badasses in addition to being pious Muslims. Muslims.
** Most of the Turks who ended up coming south and west into Anatolia and became part of Osman's army were ''Ghazis'', essentially the Islamic equivalent to [[WarriorMonk Warrior Monks]].
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* ProudWarriorRaceGuy: The Ottoman Empire was descended primarily from Osman I and his fellow Kayi tribesmen, as well as from the Seljuk emirates that he united in Antaolia after the breakup of the Seljuk Sultanate of Rum. Consider alongside this that Turks fulfilled the same basic cultural niche in medieval Eastern Europe and Asia, as the Vikings did for medieval Western Europe.
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Turks have long and not without justice been reputed to be a ProudWarriorRace. The present day nation of Turkey was descended from the Ottoman Empire which was founded by [[TheHorde border raiders]] in Asia Minor. These formed themselves into a conquering [[TheEmpire Empire]] which was able to subjugate large parts of the Balkans. At one of its [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome key moments]] the Ottomans were, in 1453, able to take Constantinople which was the [[VestigialEmpire last trace]] of TheRomanEmpire. After this they grew to become one of the greatest powers in the world.

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Oghuz Turks have long and not without justice been reputed to be a ProudWarriorRace. The present day nation of Turkey was descended from the Ottoman Empire which was founded by [[TheHorde border raiders]] in Asia Minor. These formed themselves into a conquering [[TheEmpire Empire]] which was able to subjugate large parts of the Balkans. At one of its [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome key moments]] the Ottomans were, in 1453, able to take Constantinople which was the [[VestigialEmpire last trace]] of TheRomanEmpire. After this they grew to become one of the greatest powers in the world.

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Erdogan promoted girls education during his turn in power. (Haydi Kızlar Okula!) In addition, the AK party, which is Islamic ideologically, introduced legislature outlawing marital rape. Aside from allowing women to wear headscarfs (a broadening of rights, seeing as how it was banned before) I don\'t see how the current Turkish government is \'strictly controlling the female populace\'.


Interestingly the Turkish army does not have a tradition of neutrality in internal politics. In fact the Turks often believe that an occasional temporary [[DirtyBusiness military takeover]] clears the air, and keeps their state stable and orderly. Sort of the ghost of Ataturk. The [[MagnificentBastard current prime minister]] [[note]] ErdoÄŸan didn't like this tradition, especially since the military is very secular and he wants Turkey to become an Islamic state [[/note]] had most of the army top [[KangarooCourt tried for treason.]][[note]] The only piece of 'evidence' was a document written in 2003... [[EpicFail using Microsoft word 2007 ]][[/note]], along with hundreds of judges, lawyers and journalists that disagreed with him. [[note]]However: the Pro-Islamist judges that sentenced said army top are now a threat to ErdoÄŸan [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness so he tried to get rid of them]] claiming corruption. Only problem is: if they are corrupt, [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption it would mean the generals]] [[CaptainObvious weren't tried fairly]], meaning they should be able to get a new trial, [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating the only reason he's still in power]] is because of the [[PetTheDog lip-service he provides to the Kurdish people]] and the [[BreadAndCircuses money]] [[BribingYourWayToVictory the 80% unemployed Turkish population gets from voting for him.]][[/note]]



* BadassBeard: Any Ottoman who is significant either militarily or bureaucratically will likely have a beard. Unsurprisingly so, given that Islam states that keeping a beard is praiseworthy, thus encouraging this trope
** Abdülmecid II, the last Ottoman Caliph, was famous for having a truly magnificent beard. It was often said he was rather proud of it.



* [[RealMenLoveJesus Real Men Love Allah]]: Osman I and many, many Ottoman Sultans. The Ottoman Empire was, or at least thought it was, very zealous in matters of faith.
** Turkey is currently led by an Islamist government who wants to strictly control the female populace.

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* [[RealMenLoveJesus Real Men Love Allah]]: Osman I was a very religious man. He was also a Khan of the Oghuz Turks and therefore a complete badass. In fact, many, many, many Ottoman Sultans. The Ottoman Empire was, or at least thought it was, very zealous sultans and beys were complete badasses in matters of faith.
** Turkey is currently led by an Islamist government who wants
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* SlaveMooks - The Janissaries who were originally "taxed" children of conquered countries.

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* SlaveMooks - The Janissaries who were originally "taxed" children of conquered countries. But eventually they became so politically influential that they didn't ''want'' to stop being slaves, as being "freed" would greatly reduce their power.
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Interestingly the Turkish army does not have a tradition of neutrality in internal politics. In fact the Turks often believe that an occasional temporary [[DirtyBusiness military takeover]] clears the air, and keeps their state stable and orderly. Sort of the ghost of Ataturk. The [[MagnificentBastard current prime minister]] [[note]] ErdoÄŸan didn't like this tradition, especially since the military is very secular and he wants Turkey to become an Islamic state [[/note]] had most of the army top [[KangarooCourt tried for treason.]][[note]] The only piece of 'evidence' was a document written in 2003... [[EpicFail using Microsoft word 2007 ]], along with hundreds of judges, lawyers and journalists that disagreed with him. However: the Pro-Islamist judges that sentenced said army top are now a threat to ErdoÄŸan [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness so he tried to get rid of them]] claiming corruption. Only problem is: if they are corrupt, [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption it would mean the generals]] [[CaptainObvious weren't tried fairly]], meaning they should be able to get a new trial, [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating the only reason he's still in power]] is because of the [[PetTheDog lip-service he provides to the Kurdish people]] and the [[BreadAndCircuses money]] [[BribingYourWayToVictory the 80% unemployed Turkish population gets from voting for him.]][[/note]]

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Interestingly the Turkish army does not have a tradition of neutrality in internal politics. In fact the Turks often believe that an occasional temporary [[DirtyBusiness military takeover]] clears the air, and keeps their state stable and orderly. Sort of the ghost of Ataturk. The [[MagnificentBastard current prime minister]] [[note]] ErdoÄŸan didn't like this tradition, especially since the military is very secular and he wants Turkey to become an Islamic state [[/note]] had most of the army top [[KangarooCourt tried for treason.]][[note]] The only piece of 'evidence' was a document written in 2003... [[EpicFail using Microsoft word 2007 ]], ]][[/note]], along with hundreds of judges, lawyers and journalists that disagreed with him. However: [[note]]However: the Pro-Islamist judges that sentenced said army top are now a threat to ErdoÄŸan [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness so he tried to get rid of them]] claiming corruption. Only problem is: if they are corrupt, [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption it would mean the generals]] [[CaptainObvious weren't tried fairly]], meaning they should be able to get a new trial, [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating the only reason he's still in power]] is because of the [[PetTheDog lip-service he provides to the Kurdish people]] and the [[BreadAndCircuses money]] [[BribingYourWayToVictory the 80% unemployed Turkish population gets from voting for him.]][[/note]]

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Interestingly the Turkish army does not have a tradition of neutrality in internal politics. In fact the Turks often believe that an occasional temporary [[DirtyBusiness military takeover]] clears the air, and keeps their state stable and orderly. Sort of the ghost of Ataturk. It is probably not ideal. Thanks (among other things) to wanting to make nice with UsefulNotes/TheEuropeanUnion (on the off-chance that Turkey would be let in), the recent discovery and thwarting of a coup plot, and a smart chief of staff, this trend seems to be on the downtick of late, however: the military clearly dislikes the way the current government does things, but thus far it hasn't really tried to do very much about it. Indeed, when a few junior officers were found planning a coup, the senior staff quickly put the kibosh on it, and once the civilian government got wind of the plot, the officers were brought to trial.

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Interestingly the Turkish army does not have a tradition of neutrality in internal politics. In fact the Turks often believe that an occasional temporary [[DirtyBusiness military takeover]] clears the air, and keeps their state stable and orderly. Sort of the ghost of Ataturk. It is probably not ideal. Thanks (among other things) to wanting to make nice with UsefulNotes/TheEuropeanUnion (on the off-chance that Turkey would be let in), the recent discovery and thwarting of a coup plot, and a smart chief of staff, The [[MagnificentBastard current prime minister]] [[note]] ErdoÄŸan didn't like this trend seems to be on the downtick of late, however: tradition, especially since the military clearly dislikes is very secular and he wants Turkey to become an Islamic state [[/note]] had most of the way army top [[KangarooCourt tried for treason.]][[note]] The only piece of 'evidence' was a document written in 2003... [[EpicFail using Microsoft word 2007 ]], along with hundreds of judges, lawyers and journalists that disagreed with him. However: the current government does things, but thus far it hasn't really Pro-Islamist judges that sentenced said army top are now a threat to ErdoÄŸan [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness so he tried to do very much about it. Indeed, when a few junior officers were found planning a coup, get rid of them]] claiming corruption. Only problem is: if they are corrupt, [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption it would mean the senior staff quickly put generals]] [[CaptainObvious weren't tried fairly]], meaning they should be able to get a new trial, [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating the kibosh on it, and once the civilian government got wind only reason he's still in power]] is because of the plot, [[PetTheDog lip-service he provides to the officers were brought to trial.
Kurdish people]] and the [[BreadAndCircuses money]] [[BribingYourWayToVictory the 80% unemployed Turkish population gets from voting for him.]][[/note]]
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During WorldWarI the Ottoman Empire fought on the German side. It gave a fairly good account of itself, but in the end lost most of its empire, and upon surrendering, significant chunks of its Anatolian heartland were given--directly or indirectly--to Greece, Italy, and France. However in a curious twist of fate it managed to resurrect itself. The Turkish General Kemal Ataturk, who had distinguished himself at Gallipoli, put himself at the head of a nationalist movement which prevented the total collapse of Turkish independence (ironically, despite being a militant secularist, the mass of peasants who followed him showed up because he managed to convince an assembly of muftis to declare a ''jihad''). Turkey reformed itself from a VestigialEmpire into a nation state under Ataturk who was, for the Turks, sort of a semi-benign cross between a GloriousLeader and a {{Cincinnatus}}. During WorldWarII it stayed neutral and was able to do so both because of its formidable if old fashioned army, and because of the [[TheChessmaster geopolitical skills]] of its leaders. During The Cold War the Turks took the anti-communist side and Turkish troops fought with distinction in TheKoreanWar (amusingly, the [[EnemyMine Greeks]] showed up, too; there are no reports on what they thought of one another). Turkey joined NATO in 1952 as part of the first enlargement, at the same time as Greece. Turkey now has the second-largest army in NATO after the YanksWithTanks.

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During WorldWarI UsefulNotes/WorldWarI the Ottoman Empire fought on the German side. It gave a fairly good account of itself, but in the end lost most of its empire, and upon surrendering, significant chunks of its Anatolian heartland were given--directly or indirectly--to Greece, Italy, and France. However in a curious twist of fate it managed to resurrect itself. The Turkish General Kemal Ataturk, who had distinguished himself at Gallipoli, put himself at the head of a nationalist movement which prevented the total collapse of Turkish independence (ironically, despite being a militant secularist, the mass of peasants who followed him showed up because he managed to convince an assembly of muftis to declare a ''jihad''). Turkey reformed itself from a VestigialEmpire into a nation state under Ataturk who was, for the Turks, sort of a semi-benign cross between a GloriousLeader and a {{Cincinnatus}}. During WorldWarII UsefulNotes/WorldWarII it stayed neutral and was able to do so both because of its formidable if old fashioned army, and because of the [[TheChessmaster geopolitical skills]] of its leaders. During The Cold War the Turks took the anti-communist side and Turkish troops fought with distinction in TheKoreanWar UsefulNotes/TheKoreanWar (amusingly, the [[EnemyMine Greeks]] showed up, too; there are no reports on what they thought of one another). Turkey joined NATO in 1952 as part of the first enlargement, at the same time as Greece. Turkey now has the second-largest army in NATO after the YanksWithTanks.



* TheSiege - Though this tended to backfire on them a lot during WorldWarOne when the Christian [[RagtagBunchOfMisfits townspeople]] decided to [[TookALevelInBadass Take A level In Badass]] rather than be deported and hold them back for weeks on end before being rescued by allied forces.

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* TheSiege - Though this tended to backfire on them a lot during WorldWarOne UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne when the Christian [[RagtagBunchOfMisfits townspeople]] decided to [[TookALevelInBadass Take A level In Badass]] rather than be deported and hold them back for weeks on end before being rescued by allied forces.



* ''Series/{{Mash}}'' shows the Turks as part of the KoreanWar fighting force, and as such visiting the 4077th every so often. One scene had a Turk/Greek fight broken up by a pissed-off [[spoiler:Father Mulcahy]].

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* ''Series/{{Mash}}'' shows the Turks as part of the KoreanWar UsefulNotes/KoreanWar fighting force, and as such visiting the 4077th every so often. One scene had a Turk/Greek fight broken up by a pissed-off [[spoiler:Father Mulcahy]].

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* ''Gallipoli.''

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* ''Gallipoli.''Film/{{Gallipoli}}.''


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* ''Rampage'', [[FanNickname aka.]] ''Turkish Franchise/{{Rambo}}''.
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AKP propagandasi yapma itogluit.


** Turkey is currently led by a soft Islamist government also.

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** Turkey is currently led by a soft an Islamist government also.who wants to strictly control the female populace.

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* TheSiege - Though this tended to backfire on them a lot during WorldWarOne when the [[RagtagBunchOfMisfits townspeople]] decided to [[TookALevelInBadass Take A level In Badass]] and hold them back for weeks on end before being rescued by allied forces.

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* TheSiege - Though this tended to backfire on them a lot during WorldWarOne when the Christian [[RagtagBunchOfMisfits townspeople]] decided to [[TookALevelInBadass Take A level In Badass]] rather than be deported and hold them back for weeks on end before being rescued by allied forces.


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** ''Skylark Farm'' by Antonia Arslan, the novel which the above film was based on.
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* ''Kurtlar Vadisi'' (English title ''Valley of The Wolves'' [[note]] Most [[ThereIsNoSuchThingAsNotability Notable]] for the BigDamnMovie Valley of the Wolves: Iraq]][[/note]])

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* ''Kurtlar Vadisi'' (English title ''Valley of The Wolves'' [[hottip:*: Most [[ThereIsNoSuchThingAsNotability Notable]] for the BigDamnMovie Valley of the Wolves: Iraq]])

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* ''Kurtlar Vadisi'' (English title ''Valley of The Wolves'' [[hottip:*: [[note]] Most [[ThereIsNoSuchThingAsNotability Notable]] for the BigDamnMovie Valley of the Wolves: Iraq]])Iraq]][[/note]])
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* ''{{MASH}}'' shows the Turks as part of the KoreanWar fighting force, and as such visiting the 4077th every so often. One scene had a Turk/Greek fight broken up by a pissed-off [[spoiler:Father Mulcahy]].

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* ''{{MASH}}'' ''Series/{{Mash}}'' shows the Turks as part of the KoreanWar fighting force, and as such visiting the 4077th every so often. One scene had a Turk/Greek fight broken up by a pissed-off [[spoiler:Father Mulcahy]].



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* Emilio Salgari (better known for his ''Literature/{{Sandokan}}'' novels wrote two novels, ''Capitan Tempesta'' e ''Il Leone di Damasco'', centered around the war between Venice and the Ottoman Empire for control of Cyprus and the Battle of Lepanto.

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-->''Osman saw himself and his host reposing near each other.''
-->'' From the bosom of Edebali rose the full moon,''
-->''and inclining towards the bosom of Osman it sank upon it, and was lost to sight.''
-->''After that a goodly tree sprang forth, which grew in beauty and in strength, ever greater and greater.''
-->''still did the ambracing verdure of its boughs and branches cast an ampler and an ampler shade, ''
-->'' until they canopied the extreme horizon of the three parts of the world. Under the tree stood''
-->''four mountains, which he knew to be Caucasus,''
-->''Atlas, Taurus, and Haemus.''
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-->''After ->''After that a goodly tree sprang forth, which grew in beauty and in strength, ever greater and greater.''
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Interestingly the Turkish army does not have a tradition of neutrality in internal politics. In fact the Turks often believe that an occasional temporary [[DirtyBusiness military takeover]] clears the air, and keeps their state stable and orderly. Sort of the ghost of Ataturk. It is probably not ideal. Thanks (among other things) to wanting to make nice with the EuropeanUnion (on the off-chance that Turkey would be let in), the recent discovery and thwarting of a coup plot, and a smart chief of staff, this trend seems to be on the downtick of late, however: the military clearly dislikes the way the current government does things, but thus far it hasn't really tried to do very much about it. Indeed, when a few junior officers were found planning a coup, the senior staff quickly put the kibosh on it, and once the civilian government got wind of the plot, the officers were brought to trial.

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Interestingly the Turkish army does not have a tradition of neutrality in internal politics. In fact the Turks often believe that an occasional temporary [[DirtyBusiness military takeover]] clears the air, and keeps their state stable and orderly. Sort of the ghost of Ataturk. It is probably not ideal. Thanks (among other things) to wanting to make nice with the EuropeanUnion UsefulNotes/TheEuropeanUnion (on the off-chance that Turkey would be let in), the recent discovery and thwarting of a coup plot, and a smart chief of staff, this trend seems to be on the downtick of late, however: the military clearly dislikes the way the current government does things, but thus far it hasn't really tried to do very much about it. Indeed, when a few junior officers were found planning a coup, the senior staff quickly put the kibosh on it, and once the civilian government got wind of the plot, the officers were brought to trial.



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** Which is especially ironic, given that if anything working for [[AxeCrazy The Three Pashas]] probably means that the inverse was closer to being true.
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** Which is especially ironic, given that if anything working for [[AxeCrazy The Three Pashas]] probably means that the inverse was closer to being true.
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*** Later Sultans were more careful of their lives and / or more respectful of the lives of their siblings. Probably the first; one is mildly skeptical about the court of the Sublime Porte being an empire of brotherly love.

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*** Later Sultans were more careful of their lives and / or more respectful of the lives of their siblings. Probably the first; one is mildly skeptical about the court of the Sublime Porte being an empire of brotherly love.
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* The ''{{Total War}}'' series features the Ottoman Empire as a playable faction in the original ''Medieval'' and it's sequel, ''Medieval II''.

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* The ''{{Total War}}'' series features the Ottoman Empire as a playable faction in the original ''Medieval'' and it's sequel, ''Medieval'', ''Medieval II''.II'', ''Empire'', and ''Napoleon''.
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Not true. The Propaganda involved at the time was *insane*, especially on the Ottoamn side.


** WorldWarI was low on the atrocity scale compared to WorldWarII(admittedly being more chivalrous than WorldWarII isn't obvious praise) and neither of the two sides at Gallipoli thought the other was trying to exterminate their way of life.

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** Turkey is currently led by a soft Islamist government also.
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* ''The Turkish Gambit'' novel from Literature/ErastFandorin series (also [[TheTurkishGambit the movie]]).

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