History UnintentionallyUnsympathetic / MarvelUniverse

** ComicBook/{{Magneto}} can come off as this thanks to [[DependingOnTheWriter some writers]]. Although he likely has the best FreudianExcuse in comics, having [[StartOfDarkness grown up in Auschwitz]] and subjected to the worst of humanity, that still does not excuse or justify the actions he commits when written at his worst, which have involved [[HeWhoFightsMonsters killing numerous innocent humans]] and teaming up with the likes of ComicBook/DoctorDoom. Not to mention his [[AbusiveParents horrendous parenting]] of ComicBook/ScarletWitch, ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}} and ComicBook/{{Polaris}}, which unlike his actions towards humanity, can't be excused by his backstory. [[spoiler: ''[[ComicBook/XMen2019 House of X]]'' also supports Mags's [[BewareTheSuperman attitude]] towards mankind despite the previous thousands of comics proving he was wrong]]. The tender reunion between Magneto and Wanda at ''ComicBook/HellfireGala'' as well as the finale of ''ComicBook/XMenTheTrialOfMagneto'' where Wanda is all forgiving hugs with her father is all supposed to touching, but to some fans came off Marvel yet again trying to sweep the sheer amount of abuse Magneto has given his children over the years under the rug.

UnintentionallyUnsympathetic in this SharedUniverse setting.

* The ComicBook/UltimateMarvel version of the Invisible Woman dumping Mr. Fantastic in the fallout of ''ComicBook/{{Ultimatum}}'' was supposed to read as a reaction to Reed was being too logical and uncaring about his loved ones, except the reason for the break-up was due to Reed prioritizing saving the world from Magneto instead of staying by her bedside during an ''ongoing crisis''. Needless to say, for many readers, it made Sue come off as extremely narcissistic to expect Reed to stay by her while the world burns when there was still time to try and save it.

** ComicBook/{{Mystique}} is ultimately this in the long run. While Raven does have a DarkAndTroubledPast involving at least one abusive father, has aided the X-Men, has a loving relationship with her girlfriend (later retconned wife) Destiny and has a few PetTheDog and redeeming moments concerning her children ComicBook/{{Nightcrawler}} and ComicBook/{{Rogue}}. None of that changes the fact that Mystique is a chronic backstabber, mass murderer who formed the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, is an insanely [[AbusiveParents abusive]] [[EvilMatriarch mother]] to all children and has even sexually assaulted a minor in ''Worst X-Men Ever''. It’s most glaring in ''[[ComicBook/XMen2019 House of X]]'' where ComicBook/{{Sabretooth}} is subjected to a FateWorseThanDeath for his crimes, whilst Mystique is part of the Krakoa Mutant high council even though her villain record is as bad as Creed’s[[note]] a later comic ''X-Men'' #6 ''The Oracle'' has tried to [[AuthorsSavingThrow rectify]] this last detail. It clarifies Mystique is still very much a criminal but has to work off her crimes by serving Xavier for the small chance to get Destiny back. It's supposed to come off a case of LoveRedeems but given Raven's history with how (poorly) she's treated her other loved ones, it's debatable that Mystique deserved to be reunited with Destiny. Not helped by the fact Destiny herself TookALevelInJerkass upon getting resurrected making them both unsympathetic[[/note]].

* ''Franchise/SpiderMan'':

* This is the problem with ComicBook/TheInhumans, especially in the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' era that sees them at odds with the Franchise/XMen due to the Terrigen Mists.

* The ComicBook/UltimateMarvel version of the Invisible Woman dumping Mr. Fantastic in the fallout of ''ComicBook/{{Ultimatum}}'' was supposed to read as a reaction to Reed was being too logical and uncaring about his loved ones, except the reason for the break-up was due to Reed prioritizing saving the world from Magneto instead of staying by her bedside during an ''ongoing crisis''. Needless to say, for many readers, it made Sue come off as extremely narcissistic to expect Reed to stay by her while the world burns.

** Norah Winters is an [[IntrepidReporter Intrepid Reporter]], a good guy character who worked with Peter when they were both members of the press and helped him out as Spider-Man numerous occasions, was teased as a potential love interest during the BrandNewDay era and was the lead protagonist of the spin-off miniseries "Osborn". She was also portrayed as casually racist on at least three different occasions that were all played for humor, with a few fans criticizing this aspect of her character, and Dan Slott (one of the writers who includes this humor) defended it by saying it's ok because Spider-Man was the main character, not her, going so far as to accidentally [[GodwinsLaw Godwin himself and Norah by using Captain America and the Red Skull as an example]]. Ironically, the next writer, Nick Spencer, who wrote the infamous "Hydra Cap" story where Cap was a Nazi villain, brought Norah back and '''didn't''' bring back this character trait, while also making sure to portray Norah as far from being a decent human being.

** The 9/11 VerySpecialEpisode during Creator/JMichaelStraczynski's [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManJMichaelStraczynski run]] revealed even Marvel's big-name supervillains [[EvenEvilHasStandards were horrified by the death and destruction]], with the narration even saying, "Because even the worst of us, however scarred, are still human. Still feel. Still mourn the random deaths of innocents." All of this while a close-up shows Doctor Doom shedding tears. Fans were not touched, pointing out that these villains have had absolutely no regard for innocent lives in the past (that's kind of what the description "the worst of us" entails, plus Juggernaut is there and he had attacked the Twin Towers before), and that they routinely commit acts of evil just as bad and often times even ''worse'' than anything bin Laden could ever do.

** Norah Winters is an [[IntrepidReporter Intrepid Reporter]], a good guy character who helped Peter out on numerous occasions, and was the lead good guy protagonist of the spin-off miniseries "Osborn". She was also portrayed as casually racist on at least three different occasions that were all played for humor, with a few fans criticizing this aspect of her character, and Dan Slott (one of the writers who includes this humor) defended it by saying it's ok because Spider-Man was the main character, not her, going so far as to accidentally [[GodwinsLaw Godwin himself and Norah by using Captain America and the Red Skull as an example]]. Ironically, the next writer, Nick Spencer, who wrote the infamous "Hydra Cap" story where Cap was a Nazi villain, brought Norah back and '''didn't''' bring back this character trait, while also making sure to portray Norah as far from being a decent human being.

* Was also a problem with Marvel's controversial ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' where, depending on the writer, the level of sympathy one could feel for the characters at any given time wavered greatly. Sympathy for Iron Man in particular took a big hit when he and the other Pro-Registration Heroes started throwing the Anti-Registration Heroes into an extra-dimensional prison without trial(s), not to mention hiring murderous super villains to hunt down their former friends.

UnintentionallyUnsympathetic in this series.

* [[ComicBook/CarolDanvers Carol]] in the aftermath of ''Civil War II'' is somehow even less sympathetic. Despite having caused mass destruction, attacked people before they even committed crimes, helped caused the deaths of Rhodey and She-Hulk and even killed Tony Stark herself (before they all got better) Carol [[KarmaHoudini isn’t punished or reprimanded for any of her actions and is completely let off the hook]]. This wouldn’t be so bad if Carol at least regretted her actions later, but all she gives is a token “I got carried away” excuse and her apology to Tony [[note]] quote: “So I’m off the hook for killing you Tony?” [[/note]] is so ridiculously half-assed it comes off as insincere. Also not helped by later comics such as ''Immortal She-Hulk'' where Jen upon remembering the events before dying, antagonizes Iron Man for being grief stricken and furious at her bedside and supports Carol (even wishing she’d attack Tony) despite Carol being partly responsible for her hospitalized state in the first place.

* Was also a problem with Marvel's controversial ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' where, depending on the writer, the level of sympathy one could feel for the characters at any given time wavered greatly. Sympathy for Iron Man in particular took a big hit when he and the other Pro-Registration Heroes started throwing the Anti-Registration Heroes into an extra-dimensional prison without trial(s), not to mention hiring murderous super villains to hunt down their former friends. Again, all suffered due to the IdiotPlot and {{Jerkass Ball}}s being tossed all around.

** ComicBook/{{Magneto}} can come off as this thanks to [[DependingOnTheWriter some writers]]. Although he likely has the best FreudianExcuse in comics, having [[StartOfDarkness grown up in Auschwitz]] and subjected to the worst of humanity, that still does not excuse or justify the actions he commits when written at his worst, which have involved [[HeWhoFightsMonsters killing numerous innocent humans]] and teaming up with the likes of ComicBook/DoctorDoom. Not to mention his [[AbusiveParents horrendous parenting]] of ComicBook/ScarletWitch ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}} and ComicBook/{{Polaris}}, which unlike his actions towards humanity, can't be excused by his backstory. [[spoiler: ''[[ComicBook/XMen2019 House of X]]'' also supports Mags’s [[BewareTheSuperman attitude]] towards mankind despite the previous thousands of comics proving he was wrong]]. The tender reunion between Magneto and Wanda at ''ComicBook/HellfireGala'' as well as the finale of ''ComicBook/XMenTheTrialOfMagneto'' where Wanda is all forgiving hugs with her father is all supposed to touching, but to some fans came off Marvel yet again trying to sweep the sheer amount of abuse Magneto has given his children over the years under the rug.

* The ComicBook/UltimateMarvel version of the Invisible Woman dumping Mr. Fantastic in the fallout of ''ComicBook/{{Ultimatum}}'' was supposed to read as a reaction to Reed was being too logical and uncaring about his loved ones, expect the reason for the break-up was due to Reed prioritizing saving the world from Magneto instead of staying by her bedside during an ''ongoing crisis''. Needless to say, for many readers, it made Sue come off as extremely narcissistic to expect Reed to stay by her while the world burns.

** ComicBook/{{Mystique}} is ultimately this in the long run. While Raven does have a DarkAndTroubledPast involving at least one abusive father, has aided the X-Men, has a loving relationship with her girlfriend (later retconned wife) Destiny and has a few PetTheDog and redeeming moments concerning her children ComicBook/{{Nightcrawler}} and ComicBook/{{Rogue}}. None of that changes the fact that Mystique is a chronic backstabber, mass murderer who formed the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, is an insanely [[AbusiveParents abusive]] [[EvilMatriarch mother]] to all children and has even sexually assaulted a minor in ''Worst X-Men Ever''. It’s most glaring in ''[[ComicBook/XMen2019 House of X]]'' where ComicBook/{{Sabretooth}} is subjected to a FateWorseThanDeath for his crimes, whilst Mystique is part of the Krakoa Mutant high council even though her villain record is as bad as Creed’s[[note]] a later comic ''X-Men'' #6 ''The Oracle'' has tried to [[AuthorsSavingThrow rectify]] this last detail. It clarifies Mystique is still very much a criminal but has to work off her crimes by serving Xavier for the small chance to get Destiny back. It's supposed to come off a case of LoveRedeems but given Raven's history with how (poorly) she's treated her other loved ones, it's debatable that Mystique deserves to be reunited with Destiny at all[[/note]].
** ComicBook/{{Magneto}} can come off as this thanks to [[DependingOnTheWriter some writers]]. Although he likely has the best FreudianExcuse in comics, having [[StartOfDarkness grown up in Auschwitz]] and subjected to the worst of humanity, that still does not excuse or justify the actions he commits when written at his worst, which have involved [[HeWhoFightsMonsters killing numerous innocent humans]] and teaming up with the likes of ComicBook/DoctorDoom. Not to mention his [[AbusiveParents horrendous parenting]] of ComicBook/ScarletWitch and ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}}, which unlike his actions towards humanity, can't be excused by his backstory. [[spoiler: ''[[ComicBook/XMen2019 House of X]]'' also supports Mags’s [[BewareTheSuperman attitude]] towards mankind despite the previous thousands of comics proving he was wrong]].

** ComicBook/DoctorOctopus is supposed to be the protagonist of Comicbook/SuperiorSpiderMan, being a DarkerAndEdgier ''AntiHero''. To some he comes off as an InvincibleVillain. Some of the fans despise him and the series for various different reasons. The behavior of Dan Slott has not helped in the slightest. While the ending (and ''Spider-Verse'' shortly after), which established that ''Peter'' was the true 'Superior Spider-Man', helped, many feel it only mitigated matters. One particular detail is Otto is ''praised'' by Peter (and the narrative) for "letting go" of Mary Jane, rather than carry out plans to [[BedTrick commit rape-by-deception on her]] by posing as Peter, with the severity of the situation pretty much unexplored.

** ComicBook/{{Mystique}} is ultimately this in the long run. While Raven does have a DarkAndTroubledPast involving at least one abusive father, has aided the X-Men, has a loving relationship with her girlfriend (later retconned wife) Destiny and has a few PetTheDog and redeeming moments concerning her children ComicBook/{{Nightcrawler}} and ComicBook/{{Rogue}}. None of that changes the fact that Mystique is a chronic backstabber, mass murderer who formed the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, is an insanely [[AbusiveParents abusive]] [[EvilMatriarch mother]] to all children and has even sexually assaulted a minor in ''Worst X-Men Ever''. It’s most glaring in ''[[ComicBook/JonathanHickmansXMen House of X]]'' where ComicBook/{{Sabretooth}} is subjected to a FateWorseThanDeath for his crimes, whilst Mystique is part of the Krakoa Mutant high council even though her villain record is as bad as Creed’s[[note]] a later comic ''X-Men'' #6 ''The Oracle'' has tried to [[AuthorsSavingThrow rectify]] this last detail. It clarifies Mystique is still very much a criminal but has to work off her crimes by serving Xavier for the small chance to get Destiny back. It's supposed to come off a case of LoveRedeems but given Raven's history with how (poorly) she's treated her other loved ones, it's debatable that Mystique deserves to be reunited with Destiny at all[[/note]].
** ComicBook/{{Magneto}} can come off as this thanks to [[DependingOnTheWriter some writers]]. Although he likely has the best FreudianExcuse in comics, having [[StartOfDarkness grown up in Auschwitz]] and subjected to the worst of humanity, that still does not excuse or justify the actions he commits when written at his worst, which have involved [[HeWhoFightsMonsters killing numerous innocent humans]] and teaming up with the likes of ComicBook/DoctorDoom. Not to mention his [[AbusiveParents horrendous parenting]] of ComicBook/ScarletWitch and ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}}, which unlike his actions towards humanity, can't be excused by his backstory. [[spoiler: ''[[ComicBook/JonathanHickmansXMen House of X]]'' also supports Mags’s [[BewareTheSuperman attitude]] towards mankind despite the previous thousands of comics proving he was wrong]].

* [[ComicBook/CarolDanvers Carol]] in the aftermath of ''Civil War II'' is somehow even less sympathetic. Despite having caused mass destruction, attacked people before they even committed crimes, helped caused the deaths of Rhodey and She-Hulk and even killed Tony Stark herself (before they all got better) Carol [[KarmaHoudini isn’t punished or reprimanded for any of her actions and is completely let off the hook]]. This wouldn’t be so bad if Carol at least regretted her actions later, but all she gives is a token “I got carried away” excuse and her apology to Tony [[note]] quote: “So I’m off the hook for killing you Tony?” [[/note]] is so ridiculously half-assed it comes off as insincere. Also not helped by later comics such as ''Immortal She-Hulk'' where Jen when remembering the events before dying, antagonises Iron Man for being grief stricken and furious at her bedside and supports Carol (even wishing she’d attack Tony) despite Carol being partly responsible for her hospitalised state in the first place.

* The ComicBook/UltimateMarvel version of the Invisible Woman dumping Mr. Fantastic in the fallout of ''ComicBook/{{Ultimatum}}'' was supposed to read like Reed was being too logical and uncaring about his loved ones, expect the reason for the break-up was due to Reed prioritizing saving the world from Magneto instead of staying by her bedside during an ''ongoing crisis''. Needless to say, for many readers, it made Sue come off as extremely narcissistic to expect Reed to stay by her while the world burns.

* The ComicBook/UltimateMarvel version of the Invisible Woman dumping Mr. Fantastic in the fallout of ''ComicBook/{{Ultimatum}}'' was supposed to read like Reed was being too logical and uncaring about his loved ones, expect the reason for the break-up was due to Reed prioritizing saving the world from Magneto instead of staying by her bedside during an '''ongoing crisis'''. Needless to say, for many readers, it made Sue come off as extremely narcissistic to expect Reed to stay by her while the world burns.

* The ComicBook/UltimateMarvel version of the Invisible Woman dumping Mr. Fantastic in the fallout of ''ComicBook/{{Ultimatum}}'' was supposed to read like Reed was being too logical and uncaring about his loved ones, expect the reason for the break-up was due to Reed prioritizing saving the world from Magneto instead of staying by her bedside during '''''ongoing crisis'''''. Needless to say, for many readers, it made Sue come off as extremely narcissistic to expect Reed to stay by her while the world burns.

* The ComicBook/UltimateMarvel version of the Invisible Woman dumping Mr. Fantastic in the fallout of ''ComicBook/{{Ultimatum}}'' was supposed to read like Reed was being too logical and uncaring about his loved ones, expect the reason for the break-up was due to Reed prioritizing saving the world from Magneto instead of staying by her bedside during ''an ongoing crisis''. Needless to say, for many readers, it made Sue come off as extremely narcissistic to expect Reed to stay by her while the world burns.

* The Punisher became this in the notoriously polarizing one-shot ''ComicBook/ThePunisherKillsTheMarvelUniverse''. His backstory is changed so that his family is inadvertently killed by the Avengers and the X-Men during a fight with the Skrulls and the Brood in order to give a plausible motive for him to go along with following the orders of Kesselring and his organization of people unintentionally harmed by superheroes to kill all superhumans, plus he is [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone wracked with guilt]] after he kills Daredevil and discovers him to be his friend Matt Murdock, but all of this is offset by the fact that he blindly goes about murdering hero and villain alike without once considering that the heroes' harmful actions toward civilians were not deliberate or that the heroes have loved ones of their own.

* Was also a problem with Marvel's controversial ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' where, depending on the writer, the level of sympathy one could feel for the characters at any given time wavered greatly. Sympathy for Iron Man in particular took a big hit when he and the other Pro-Registration Heroes started throwing the Anti-Registration Heroes into an extra-dimensional prison without trial(s), not to mention hiring murderous super villains to hunt down their former friends . Again, all suffered due to the IdiotPlot and {{Jerkass Ball}}s being tossed all around.

* The Punisher became this in the notoriously polarizing one-shot ''ComicBook/ThePunisherKillsTheMarvelUniverse''. His backstory is changed so that his family is inadvertently killed by the Avengers and the X-Men during a fight with the Skrulls and the Brood in order to give a plausible motive for him to go along with following the orders of Kesselring and his organization of people unintentionally harmed by superheroes to kill all superhumans, plus he is [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone wracked with guilt]] after he kills Daredevil and discovers him to be his friend Matt Murdock, but all of this is offset by the fact that he blindly goes about murdering hero and villain alike without once considering that the heroes' harmful actions toward civilians were not deliberate or that the heroes have loved ones of their own.
* ''ComicBook/TheUltimates3'' infamously saw Creator/JephLoeb confirm what Creator/MarkMillar was implying during [[ComicBook/TheUltimates2002 the first]] [[ComicBook/TheUltimates2 two series]]: that the ComicBook/UltimateMarvel versions of ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}} and the ComicBook/ScarletWitch were engaged in [[BrotherSisterIncest incestuous relationship]]. The series expected fans to side with ComicBook/TheWasp, who thought that Franchise/CaptainAmerica was once again just being a silly old man, and Franchise/{{Wolverine}}, who knew about Magneto's abuse of them (and was ordered to kill Pietro by the man), was sympathetic to them. The problem is both in 2007, when the first issue saw print, and even today, incest is generally frowned upon -- so many people, including Creator/{{Lewis|Lovhaug}} [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Lovhaug]], sided with Cap and ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}}'s disgust about it (and keep in mind, thanks to AdaptationalJerkass, the former was a PoliticallyIncorrectHero and the latter was a former assassin), instead wondering what the hell was wrong with Jan for finding incest endearing and (along with the fact that he caught the two siblings doing it after he failed to execute said order) finding this to be another black mark to this version of Wolverine[[note]]prior black marks including sleeping with a barely-legal Jean Grey, trying to kill Cyclops to be with Jean, and trying to sleep with the underaged Mary Jane Watson -- while he was in the middle of a FreakyFridayFlip with Spider-Man that was caused by him not leaving Jean alone, no less -- and Liz Allan[[/note]].

* ''ComicBook/TheUltimates3'' infamously saw Creator/JephLoeb confirm what Creator/MarkMillar was implying during [[ComicBook/TheUltimates2002 the first]] [[ComicBook/TheUltimates2 two series]]: that the ComicBook/UltimateMarvel versions of ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}} and the ComicBook/ScarletWitch were engaged in [[BrotherSisterIncest incestuous relationship]]. The series expected fans to side with ComicBook/TheWasp, who thought that Franchise/CaptainAmerica was once again just being a silly old man, and Franchise/{{Wolverine}}, who knew about Magneto's abuse of them (and was ordered to kill Pietro by the man), was sympathetic to them. The problem is both in 2007, when the first issue saw print, and even today, incest is generally frowned upon -- so many people, including Creator/{{Lewis|Lovhaug}} [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Lovhaug]], sided with Cap and ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}}'s disgust about it (and keep in mind, thanks to AdaptationalJerkass, the former was a PoliticallyIncorrectHero and the latter was a former assassin), instead wondering what the hell was wrong with Jan for finding incest endearing and (along with the fact that he caught the two siblings doing it after he failed to execute said order) another black mark to this version of Wolverine[[note]]prior black marks including sleeping with a barely-legal Jean Grey, trying to kill Cyclops to be with Jean, and trying to sleep with the underaged Mary Jane Watson -- while he was in the middle of a FreakyFridayFlip with Spider-Man that was caused by him not leaving Jean alone, no less -- and Liz Allan[[/note]].

* ''ComicBook/TheUltimates3'' infamously saw Creator/JephLoeb confirm what Creator/MarkMillar was implying during [[ComicBook/TheUltimates2002 the first]] [[ComicBook/TheUltimates2 two series]]: that the ComicBook/UltimateMarvel versions of ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}} and the ComicBook/ScarletWitch were engaged in [[BrotherSisterIncest incestuous relationship]]. The series expected fans to side with ComicBook/TheWasp, who thought that Franchise/CaptainAmerica was once again just being a silly old man, and Franchise/{{Wolverine}}, who knew about Magneto's abuse of them (and was ordered to kill Pietro by the man), was sympathetic to them. The problem is both in 2007, when the first issue saw print, and even today, incest is generally frowned upon -- so many people, including Creator/{{Lewis|Lovhaug}} [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Lovhaug]], sided with Cap and ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}}'s disgust about it (and keep in mind, thanks to AdaptationalJerkass, the former was a PoliticallyIncorrectHero and the latter was a former assassin), instead wondering what the hell was wrong with Jan for finding incest endearing and (along with the fact that he caught the two siblings doing it after he failed to kill Pietro while acting on Magneto's orders) another black mark to this version of Wolverine[[note]]prior black marks including sleeping with a barely-legal Jean Grey, trying to kill Cyclops to be with Jean, and trying to sleep with the underaged Mary Jane Watson -- while he was in the middle of a FreakyFridayFlip with Spider-Man that was caused by him not leaving Jean alone, no less -- and Liz Allan[[/note]].