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* Princess Celestia in ''Fanfic/{{Chains}}''. Even though it's made clear she didn't enjoy turning the humans living in Equus into [[SlaveRace slaves for the ponies]] and she is [[OutDamnedSpot genuinely haunted by her decision]], the fact that [[TheReveal the flashbacks explaining why humanity was enslaved]] in Chapter 15 made Celestia look like she was carrying a massive IdiotBall, her weak attempts at justification to a very angered Luna, as well as the fact that she refuses to overturn slavery overnight have made her come off as a weak and incompetent leader easily manipulated by her {{Evil Chancellor}}s to many a reader. The fact that it took protests from pegasus abolitionists to outlaw the practice of human gladiatorial rings, as well as the fact that a great many slaves ''are'' being mistreated (Twilight and Applejack are very clearly exceptions rather than the rule), yet Celestia doesn't seem to have done much to improve those conditions doesn't exactly help her case either. The author eventually had to pull an AuthorsSavingThrow of sorts with the reveal that Celestia [[spoiler:funds anti-slavery movements and is playing the LongGame]], and with Celestia herself feeling she can never truly atone for what she did, but for some readers it just didn't cut it.

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* Princess Celestia in ''Fanfic/{{Chains}}''. Even though it's made clear she didn't enjoy turning the humans living in Equus into [[SlaveRace slaves for the ponies]] and she is [[OutDamnedSpot genuinely haunted by her decision]], decision, the fact that [[TheReveal the flashbacks explaining why humanity was enslaved]] in Chapter 15 made Celestia look like she was carrying a massive IdiotBall, her weak attempts at justification to a very angered Luna, as well as the fact that she refuses to overturn slavery overnight have made her come off as a weak and incompetent leader easily manipulated by her {{Evil Chancellor}}s to many a reader. The fact that it took protests from pegasus abolitionists to outlaw the practice of human gladiatorial rings, as well as the fact that a great many slaves ''are'' being mistreated (Twilight and Applejack are very clearly exceptions rather than the rule), yet Celestia doesn't seem to have done much to improve those conditions doesn't exactly help her case either. The author eventually had to pull an AuthorsSavingThrow of sorts with the reveal that Celestia [[spoiler:funds anti-slavery movements and is playing the LongGame]], and with Celestia herself feeling she can never truly atone for what she did, but for some readers it just didn't cut it.
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* The ''Series/StargateSG1'' fic "[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6551183/1/None-So-Blind-Mature-Version None So Blind]]" opens with Daniel Jackson deciding to transfer to Atlantis after Sam Carter starts a relationship with the now-retired Jack O'Neill, as he's been in love with Sam for years and can't bear the thought of seeing her and Jack together when he'll wish it was him. This aspect of his personality is relatively sympathetic, but after Sam learns about his feelings for her and reveals that her relationship with Jack didn't work out, she agrees to go on a date with Daniel, prompting Daniel to state that if she can't feel that way about him he'll be relocating to Atlantis. Daniel's initial emotional pain is relatively understandable, but his subsequent declaration to Sam could amount of emotional blackmail, as he's basically saying that she'll lose him as a friend if he can't win her over.
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** While Chloe's reasons for not expressing her own interests and hobbies are understandable and sympathetic -- namely that she was [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer bullied for her differences]] -- the fact that she stonewalled efforts to get to know her better makes her subsequent complaints that nobody ever bothered to ''try'' seem somewhat self-defeating. It is very easy to see her as being at fault for several key aspects of the [[PoorCommunicationKills poor communication]] that drives the story. Initially, the narrative is heavily slanted in her side, defending her anger at Goh, Ash, her father and others even when she's clearly in the wrong. This eventually leads into the series [[DeconstructionFic heavily deconstructing]] the very concept of an AccusationFic, delving into the {{Double Standard}}s on all sides.

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** While Chloe's reasons for not expressing her own interests and hobbies are understandable and sympathetic -- namely that she was [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer bullied for her differences]] -- the fact that she stonewalled efforts to get to know her better makes her subsequent complaints that nobody ever bothered to ''try'' seem somewhat self-defeating. It is very easy to see her as being at fault for several key aspects of the [[PoorCommunicationKills poor communication]] that drives the story. Initially, the narrative is heavily slanted in her side, favor, defending her anger at Goh, Ash, her father and others even when she's clearly in the wrong. This eventually leads into the series [[DeconstructionFic heavily deconstructing]] the very concept of an AccusationFic, delving into the {{Double Standard}}s on all sides.



** Parker in his courtroom scene is supposed to be seen as a poor kid who's fallen off the deep end because of reasons beyond his control, but there are a lot of reasons why this is a herculean task: first of all, the ramifications of his actions are ''far too big'' to make him seem sympathetic, a sentiment not helped by him showing the same condescending, "I'm better than you" attitude of snapping at people that he had before, making it look like he learned ''nothing'' from it. And finally, he just can't help putting his foot in his mouth, going on a massive MotiveRant against everybody in the courtroom that, given everything else that's been shown of him, seems more like a spoiled rotten kid whining at the world how everything is their fault while ignoring how he's done much more, ''potentially irreparable'' damage compared to them.

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** Parker Parker, in his courtroom scene scene, is supposed to be seen as a poor kid who's fallen off the deep end because of for reasons beyond his control, but there are a lot of reasons why this is a herculean task: first of all, the ramifications of his actions are ''far too big'' to make him seem sympathetic, a sentiment not helped by him showing the same condescending, condescending "I'm better than you" attitude of snapping at people that he had before, making it look like he learned ''nothing'' from it. And finally, he just can't help putting his foot in his mouth, going on a massive MotiveRant against everybody in the courtroom that, given everything else that's been shown of him, seems more like a spoiled rotten kid whining at the world how everything is their fault while ignoring how he's done much more, ''potentially irreparable'' damage compared to them.



* In ''Faery Heroes'', Harry, Hermione, and Luna are shown to be [[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]] who have to do terrible things for the greater good. Even as they belittle their peers, rob the Purebloods blind ([[FridgeHorror likely ruining lives in the process]]), and, oh yeah, ''inflict '''multiple''' [[FateWorseThanDeath Fates Worse Than Death]] on their enemies''.
* ''FanFic/MyImmortal'': According to the author, you are supposed to ''like'' Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way. For those who don't know, Ebony is every negative stereotype about [[SubcultureOfTheWeek goths]] made manifest, in the vessel of a self-centered sociopath. Of course, it could be INTENTIONALLY Unsympathetic if you subscribe into the theory that it's a TrollFic instead of just really bad writing.

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* In ''Faery Heroes'', Harry, Hermione, and Luna are shown to be [[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]] who have to do terrible things for the greater good. Even as they belittle their peers, rob the Purebloods blind ([[FridgeHorror likely ruining lives in the process]]), and, oh yeah, ''inflict '''multiple''' and inflict ''multiple'' [[FateWorseThanDeath Fates Worse Than Death]] on their enemies''.
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* ''FanFic/MyImmortal'': According to the author, you are supposed to ''like'' Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way. For those who don't know, Ebony is every negative stereotype about [[SubcultureOfTheWeek goths]] made manifest, in the vessel of a self-centered sociopath. Of course, it could be INTENTIONALLY Unsympathetic if you subscribe into one subscribes to the theory that it's a TrollFic instead of just really bad writing.



** Jasmine in Chapter 18. In a blatant AuthorTract to the constant complaints about Jasmine being a sex worker despite being in Issei's Harem, Jasmine proceeds to attack ''everyone'' sans Issei and Kiba, who are too busy fighting, with her Sacred Gear, using an attack she normally uses to ''shatter skulls''. Why? [[DisproportionateRetribution Because Sona insulted her for being a sex worker]], and only ''after'' she goaded Sona by hitting her insecurities with Serafall. The only reason Vali doesn't get affected is because he managed to put a finger in his ear which reduced the effects. Later, she brutally rapes Raynare with a sibian while beating her ass with a riding crop just because the Fallen Angel accused her of padding her breasts--and given what happened earlier, it's highly likely that Jasmine said or did something to provoke her first.
*** Her ensuing rant about what she suffered as a result of what happened to Issei is ''supposed'' to make her come across as sympathetic and make it look like Sona was needlessly antagonistic, but it rings hollow because, as Jasmine even admits, ''Sona is still being [[LockedOutOfTheLoop kept in the dark]] about everything'', and that she still only did this just because Sona is ''Serafall's'' sister. Making matters worse is that she hit ''everyone'' too, including Rias who Issei has started considering part of his hoard, just for being in the area, yet doesn't appear apologetic for her actions, and that instead of actually ''telling'' them about what they're being kept in the dark about, she just continues to keep them ''in'' the dark.
*** Likewise is her reasons for ''becoming'' a sex worker. [[spoiler:She says she became one as a way of sticking it to the people watching her and waiting for her degrade herself, a means of demonstrating they had no hold on her.]] Many have called out these reasons as flimsy ''at best'', and that regardless of her reasons, it doesn't change the fact she ''also'' abandoned Issei in order to pursue her own issues. She even notes that she could have easily stuck by Issei and let him help her instead of doing any of this, but asked him ''not'' to just so she could do this instead, and just for him to trust her, making it sound like she's angry at being in a position that she ''put herself in''.
*** Even the reveal that [[spoiler:her dad committed suicide years ago]] did ''nothing'' to win over her detractors, as they lambasted it as nothing more than a blatant attempt to make her look sympathetic without ''actually addressing the issues of the prior chapter.''

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** Jasmine in Chapter 18. In a blatant AuthorTract to the constant complaints about Jasmine being a sex worker despite being in Issei's Harem, Jasmine proceeds to attack ''everyone'' sans Issei and Kiba, who are too busy fighting, with her Sacred Gear, using an attack she normally uses to ''shatter skulls''. Why? [[DisproportionateRetribution Because Sona insulted her for being a sex worker]], and only ''after'' she goaded Sona by hitting her insecurities with Serafall. The only reason Vali doesn't get affected is because he managed to put a finger in his ear which reduced the effects. Later, she brutally rapes Raynare with a sibian Sybian while beating her ass with a riding crop just because the Fallen Angel accused her of padding her breasts--and given what happened earlier, it's highly likely that Jasmine said or did something to provoke her first.
*** Her ensuing rant about what she suffered as a result of what happened to Issei is ''supposed'' to make her come across as sympathetic and make it look like Sona was needlessly antagonistic, but it rings hollow because, as Jasmine even admits, ''Sona is still being [[LockedOutOfTheLoop kept in the dark]] about everything'', and that she still only did this just because Sona is ''Serafall's'' sister. Making matters worse is that she hit ''everyone'' too, including Rias who Issei has started considering part of his hoard, just for being in the area, yet doesn't appear apologetic for her actions, and that instead of actually ''telling'' them about what they're being kept in the dark about, she just continues to keep them ''in'' the dark.
*** Likewise is her reasons for ''becoming'' a sex worker. [[spoiler:She says she became one as a way of sticking it to the people watching her and waiting for her to degrade herself, a means of demonstrating they had no hold on her.]] Many have called out these reasons as flimsy ''at best'', and that regardless of her reasons, it doesn't change the fact she ''also'' abandoned Issei in order to pursue her own issues. She even notes that she could have easily stuck by Issei and let him help her instead of doing any of this, but asked him ''not'' to just so she could do this instead, and just for him to trust her, making it sound like she's angry at being in a position that she ''put herself in''.
*** Even the reveal that [[spoiler:her dad committed suicide years ago]] did ''nothing'' to win over her detractors, as they lambasted it as nothing more than a blatant attempt to make her look sympathetic without ''actually actually addressing the issues of the prior chapter.''



*** One particularly egregious issue is his hypocrisy: he mocks Kiba and Gasper's respective [[FreudianExcuse Freudian Excuses]] and forces them to confront their inner demons while [[NoSympathy obnoxiously telling them to get over it]]; and yet he staunchly clings to his own FreudianExcuse, [[ItsAllAboutMe demanding sympathy]] and various forms of compensation [[EntitledBastard when he's really owed nothing at all]], while viciously lashing out at ''anyone'' who tries to help him get over his own issues, or trying to turn it around on them without actually answering the criticism.

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*** One particularly egregious issue is his hypocrisy: he mocks Kiba and Gasper's respective [[FreudianExcuse Freudian Excuses]] {{Freudian Excuse}}s and forces them to confront their inner demons while [[NoSympathy obnoxiously telling them to get over it]]; and yet he staunchly clings to his own FreudianExcuse, [[ItsAllAboutMe demanding sympathy]] and various forms of compensation [[EntitledBastard when he's really owed nothing at all]], while viciously lashing out at ''anyone'' who tries to help him get over his own issues, or trying to turn it around on them without actually answering the criticism.



** Lincoln, during the birthday party. She ''claims'' that she and everybody needs to take a breather from all the madness, but there's two problems:

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** While this isn't the first "post-victory separation and reunion" fic to involve Adrien consciously choosing to leave Ladybug behind without revealing his identity because of his father, it comes across as a lot more unforgivably callous here because, as Marinette points out, he always had the choice to come back to her. For comparison, ''Ruined With You''!Adrien made a snap-judgement to return his Miraculous to Master Fu without waiting for Ladybug, thus leaving her with no illusions about seeing her partner again, and he regretted it later but couldn't take it back so easily. ''Bring Me Home''!Adrien knows that Ladybug has been sitting on their rooftop meeting place every night for years, occasionally crying, but despite still having the ring locked in a safe in his bedroom, he still isn't willing to return to her. And while he is of course [[WhatTheHellHero/FanWorks called out on it]] after the reveal, it arguably becomes a case of EasilyForgiven due to subsequent events, thus pushing him further into this category.

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** While this isn't the first "post-victory separation and reunion" fic to involve Adrien consciously choosing to leave Ladybug behind without revealing his identity because of his father, it comes across as a lot more unforgivably callous here because, as Marinette points out, he always had the choice to come back to her. For comparison, ''Ruined With You''!Adrien made a snap-judgement snap judgement to return his Miraculous to Master Fu without waiting for Ladybug, thus leaving her with no illusions about seeing her partner again, and he regretted it later but couldn't take it back so easily. ''Bring Me Home''!Adrien knows that Ladybug has been sitting on their rooftop meeting place every night for years, occasionally crying, but despite still having the ring locked in a safe in his bedroom, he still isn't willing to return to her. And while he is of course [[WhatTheHellHero/FanWorks called out on it]] after the reveal, it arguably becomes a case of EasilyForgiven due to subsequent events, thus pushing him further into this category.



* In ''Fanfic/WishingWell'', Wysteria and Sparkleworks have a voltaile relationship full of BelligerentSexualTension, with Wysteria usually being the instigator of the arguing. They switch between periods of constant arguments, before going into a SickeninglySweethearts phase where they [[MakeOutKids do nothing but kiss]], then going back to their arguing. On at least one occasion Sparkleworks has ended up bruised. None of the other ponies care much about their arguing due to how common it is. Sparklework's and Wysteria's relationship is supposed to be seen in a light-hearted relationship, but it comes off more as [[DomesticAbuse abusive]].

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* In ''Fanfic/WishingWell'', Wysteria and Sparkleworks have a voltaile volatile relationship full of BelligerentSexualTension, with Wysteria usually being the instigator of the arguing. They switch between periods of constant arguments, arguments before going into a SickeninglySweethearts phase where they [[MakeOutKids do nothing but kiss]], then going back to their arguing. On at least one occasion occasion, Sparkleworks has ended up bruised. None of the other ponies care much about their arguing due to how common it is. Sparklework's and Wysteria's relationship is supposed to be seen in a light-hearted relationship, but it comes off more as [[DomesticAbuse abusive]].



* Princess Celestia in ''Fanfic/{{Chains}}''. Even though it's made clear she didn't enjoy turning the humans living in Equus into [[SlaveRace slaves for the ponies]] and she is [[OutDamnedSpot genuinely haunted by her decision]], the fact that [[TheReveal the flashbacks explaining why humanity was enslaved]] in Chapter 15 made Celestia look like she was carrying a massive IdiotBall, her weak attempts at justification to a very angered Luna, as well as the fact that she refuses to just overturn slavery overnight have made her come off like a weak and incompetent leader easily manipulated by her {{Evil Chancellor}}s to many a reader. The fact that it took protests from pegasus abolitionists to outlaw the practice of human gladiatorial rings, as well as the fact that a great many slaves ''are'' being mistreated (Twilight and Applejack are very clearly exceptions rather than the rule), yet Celestia doesn't seem to have done much to improve those conditions doesn't exactly help her case either. The author eventually had to pull an AuthorsSavingThrow of sorts with the reveal that Celestia [[spoiler:funds anti-slavery movements and is playing the LongGame]], and with Celestia herself feeling she can never truly atone for what she did, but for some readers it just didn't cut it.

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* Princess Celestia in ''Fanfic/{{Chains}}''. Even though it's made clear she didn't enjoy turning the humans living in Equus into [[SlaveRace slaves for the ponies]] and she is [[OutDamnedSpot genuinely haunted by her decision]], the fact that [[TheReveal the flashbacks explaining why humanity was enslaved]] in Chapter 15 made Celestia look like she was carrying a massive IdiotBall, her weak attempts at justification to a very angered Luna, as well as the fact that she refuses to just overturn slavery overnight have made her come off like as a weak and incompetent leader easily manipulated by her {{Evil Chancellor}}s to many a reader. The fact that it took protests from pegasus abolitionists to outlaw the practice of human gladiatorial rings, as well as the fact that a great many slaves ''are'' being mistreated (Twilight and Applejack are very clearly exceptions rather than the rule), yet Celestia doesn't seem to have done much to improve those conditions doesn't exactly help her case either. The author eventually had to pull an AuthorsSavingThrow of sorts with the reveal that Celestia [[spoiler:funds anti-slavery movements and is playing the LongGame]], and with Celestia herself feeling she can never truly atone for what she did, but for some readers it just didn't cut it.



* ''Fanfic/FrigidWindsAndBurningHearts'' claims to be even-handed when it comes to Princess Luna vs. Princess Celestia, but swiftly comes down on Luna's side. Even as it reveals she was perfectly willing to have all of Equestria collapse into riots and civil war if it meant she could leave. Even as she bullies, lies, and manipulates every other pony she meets to have her way.

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* ''Fanfic/FrigidWindsAndBurningHearts'' claims to be even-handed when it comes to Princess Luna vs. Princess Celestia, but swiftly comes down on Luna's side. Even as it reveals is revealed she was perfectly willing to have all of Equestria collapse into riots and civil war if it meant she could leave. Even as she bullies, lies, and manipulates every other pony she meets to have her way.



** Various records throughout the fic hint at an extensive terrorist record in the future, which involve multiple attacks on Crystal Tokyo that put a lot of people's lives in danger. It doesn't help matters that the senshi of the future aren't shown having actually done much wrong and actually try to create a peaceful world where everyone's safe.
** The fact that it's implied that Emerald and his teammates chose to attack the senshi first makes them not come across as particularly admirable or make the senshi look very unlikable for choosing to send them away regardless of who was in the right about the purification.

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** Various records throughout the fic hint at an extensive terrorist record in the future, which involve involves multiple attacks on Crystal Tokyo that put a lot of people's lives in danger. It doesn't help matters that the senshi Senshi of the future aren't shown having actually done much wrong and actually try to create a peaceful world where everyone's safe.
** The fact that it's implied that Emerald and his teammates chose to attack the senshi Senshi first makes them not come across as particularly admirable or make the senshi Senshi look very unlikable for choosing to send them away regardless of who was in the right about the purification.



* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/4854138/1/After-the-Metarex-Tails-Story After]][[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5302733/1/After-the-Metarex-Tails-and-Cosmo-s-Story The Metarex]]'': While the readers are meant to see Amadeus and Rosemary Prower as well meaning yet strict parents, instead they come off as stuck up and hypocritical [=SJWs=], especially Rosemary considering that she behaves nastily towards Sonic just because he tries to get Tails to help him fight with Eggman and hating Knuckles and Amy just because they have anger problems and not trying to see that they are [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold good people at heart.]] While her forbeying Cosmo from dating Tails was meant to be seen as JerkassHasAPoint given that Cosmo couldn't prove that she had returned from the dead, it instead comes off as [[FantasticRacism racist]] considering that one of her reasons was because she was an alien.

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* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/4854138/1/After-the-Metarex-Tails-Story After]][[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5302733/1/After-the-Metarex-Tails-and-Cosmo-s-Story The Metarex]]'': While the readers are meant to see Amadeus and Rosemary Prower as well meaning well-meaning yet strict parents, instead they come off as stuck up and hypocritical [=SJWs=], especially Rosemary considering that she behaves nastily towards Sonic just because he tries to get Tails to help him fight with Eggman and hating Knuckles and Amy just because they have anger problems and not trying to see that they are [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold good people at heart.]] While her forbeying Cosmo from dating Tails was meant to be seen as JerkassHasAPoint given that Cosmo couldn't prove that she had returned from the dead, it instead comes off as [[FantasticRacism racist]] considering that one of her reasons was because she was an alien.



* ''Fanfic/TheEndOfEnds'': Beast Boy is this, [[spoiler:even before he becomes Count Logan and starts destroying entire worlds]]. He is supposed to be seen as a guy tragically separated from his true love and betrayed by his friends; but his whining over Terra wanting a normal life, even one away from him, easily qualifies as {{Wangst}}, he essentially stalks Terra, and he resigns from the Titans because, after they [[WhatTheHellHero call him out on beating up Terra's friends]], he's convinced none of them like or appreciate him. [[spoiler:Meanwhile, Count Logan being a [[VideoGame/SuperPaperMario Count Bleck]] {{Expy}} means he is also intended as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, but this is undermined by his sheer AdaptationalVillainy by comparison. Bleck carried a heavier implication of [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity corruption]], underwent a [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone crisis]] from [[MoralityChain Tippi]]'s mere presence, actually [[DeathSeeker wanted the good guys to stop him]] and [[GracefulLoser was pleased when they did]], and then helped fix everything via HeroicSacrifice. Logan's FaceHeelTurn comes across as more voluntary, he actively invokes KickTheMoralityPet on Terra, and he's ultimately a stubborn and {{Wangst}}y SoreLoser.]]

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* ''Fanfic/TheEndOfEnds'': Beast Boy is this, [[spoiler:even before he becomes Count Logan and starts destroying entire worlds]]. He is supposed to be seen as a guy tragically separated from his true love and betrayed by his friends; but his whining over Terra wanting a normal life, even one away from him, easily qualifies as {{Wangst}}, {{Wangst}}; he essentially stalks Terra, and he resigns from the Titans because, after they [[WhatTheHellHero call him out on beating up Terra's friends]], he's convinced none of them like or appreciate him. [[spoiler:Meanwhile, Count Logan being a [[VideoGame/SuperPaperMario Count Bleck]] {{Expy}} means he is also intended as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, but this is undermined by his sheer AdaptationalVillainy by comparison. Bleck carried a heavier implication of [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity corruption]], underwent a [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone crisis]] from [[MoralityChain Tippi]]'s mere presence, actually [[DeathSeeker wanted the good guys to stop him]] and [[GracefulLoser was pleased when they did]], and then helped fix everything via HeroicSacrifice. Logan's FaceHeelTurn comes across as more voluntary, he actively invokes KickTheMoralityPet on Terra, and he's ultimately a stubborn and {{Wangst}}y SoreLoser.]]

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* ''Fanfic/{{Syngenesophobia}}'': The girls despite all of them feeling remorse and disgust for their actions and [[BeAllMySinsRemembered accepting that they have]] became [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer outcasts as a result]]. They've still sent Lincoln to the hospital to the point he's afraid of them. It also doesn't help that the readers never actually see the fallout of their friends and peers until chapter 38 with Leni confronting Becky and Mandee for avoiding the former. Nor the reveal that [[spoiler: Lynn allowing Ronnie-Anne to beat her up and Lori was the one that cut off ties with Bobby, not the other way around]]. With all of the girls being UnreliableExpositor, it's hard to feel sorry for them when vindictive readers see them as {{Dirty Coward}}s.

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* ''Fanfic/StoriesAndTalesFromDimension63'': Linka ([[spoiler: as in, Lincoln's female counterpart]]), who, after [[spoiler: becoming stuck in Lincoln's body]], proceeded to ''turn his life upside down, without his permission'', and worst of all, shows '''no''' desire to go back home. It can be hard to feel sympathetic towards her with what's implied in the backstory when her reaction is to do... ''This''.
** Lynn Sr. from the other dimension can also count as this. His overly-protective nature towards Linka can turn annoying after a while, and his interaction with Ron Andy in chapter 17, if you don't find it funny, doesn't help him ''at all''.
** Likewise, the brothers during chapter 17. Whether they fit this in earlier chapters is up for discussion, but they definitely fit this in this chapter, since they basically ''sabotage Linka and Ron's date'' by going into his house and teaching him how to act around Linka, unaware of the pressure they were giving him.
** Lincoln, during the birthday party. She ''claims'' that she and everybody needs to take a breather from all the madness, but there's two problems:
*** Linka is telling this to Nyla and Neil, who are experienced with this stuff, and would know best.
*** William gave her the location of the final fragment, and she chose to ignore it in favor of a party.
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* ''Fanfic/ASecondChance'': Rita was meant to be seen as a struggling mother with an unprepared husband and dealing with a bunch of self-centered and spoiled daughters, but her clear [[ParentalFavoritism favoritism towards Lincoln]], the fact she wants to take advantage of Kathleen's "generosity" despite knowing she isn't completely trustworthy, and even calling Lynn Jr a burden makes her come across as a spiteful woman who put more than she can chew in her mouth and [[NeverMyFault refusing to see her own role in this chaos]], all while being too cynical to see that some of her daughters are [[HeelFaceTurn changing for the better]].
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* ''Fanfic/ASecondChance'': Rita was meant to be seen as a struggling mother with an unprepared husband and dealing with a bunch of self-centered and spoiled daughters, but her clear [[ParentalFavoritism favoritisn towards Lincoln]], the fact she wants to take advantage of Kathleen's "generosity" despite knowing she isn't completely trustworthy, and even calling Lynn Jr a burden makes her come across as a spiteful woman who put more than she can chew in her mouth and [[NeverMyFault refusing to see her own role in this chaos]], all while being too cynical to see that some of her daughters are [[HeelFaceTurn changing for the better]].

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* ''Fanfic/ASecondChance'': Rita was meant to be seen as a struggling mother with an unprepared husband and dealing with a bunch of self-centered and spoiled daughters, but her clear [[ParentalFavoritism favoritisn favoritism towards Lincoln]], the fact she wants to take advantage of Kathleen's "generosity" despite knowing she isn't completely trustworthy, and even calling Lynn Jr a burden makes her come across as a spiteful woman who put more than she can chew in her mouth and [[NeverMyFault refusing to see her own role in this chaos]], all while being too cynical to see that some of her daughters are [[HeelFaceTurn changing for the better]].
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* ''Fanfic/ASecondChance'': Rita was meant to be seen as a struggling mother with an unprepared husband and dealing with a bunch of self-centered and spoiled daughters, but her clear [[ParentalFavoritism favoritisn towards Lincoln]], the fact she wants to take advantage of Kathleen's "generosity" despite knowing she isn't completely trustworthy, and even calling Lynn Jr a burden makes her come across as a spiteful woman who put more than she can chew in her mouth and [[NeverMyFault refusing to see her own role in this chaos]], all while being too cynical to see that some of her daughters are [[HeelFaceTurn changing for the better]].
* ''Fanfic/LincolnIsDone'': We're supposed to feel sorry for Lincoln being supposedly unloved by his family. But it's hard when he beat up his remorseful little sister twice.
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*** Tsune's argument invoking HeWhoFightsMonsters on the now-disgraced Team CRMN comes off as this to a significant number of readers. They note how Adam literally had no other option to stop their bullying without making an example of them in a strong way that would discourage such behavior such as what Adam did during the match. This is because while Coeur attempts to invoke a GrayandGrayMorality in the fic itself, moments, where Adam would literally be in the wrong during his time in Beacon before Chapter 11, were sparse and few in between.

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*** Tsune's argument invoking HeWhoFightsMonsters on the now-disgraced Team CRMN comes off as this to a significant number of readers. They note how Adam literally had no other option to stop their bullying without making an example of them in a strong way that would discourage such behavior such as what Adam did during the match. This is because while Coeur attempts to invoke a GrayandGrayMorality GrayAndGrayMorality in the fic itself, moments, where Adam would literally be in the wrong during his time in Beacon before Chapter 11, were sparse and few in between.
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* Iris lands in this territory in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9550053/1/The-Fey-Family-Cousin The Fey Family Cousin]]''. Not only in this continuity was she watching Phoenix's trial without lifting a finger to help him (whereas canon implied she didn't learn about it until it was already over, but her motivation for not telling him the truth about herself moved from "IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy" to "I don't want to be hated" and from there to "Just leave me alone", making her seem rather selfish.

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* Iris lands in this territory in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9550053/1/The-Fey-Family-Cousin The Fey Family Cousin]]''. Not only in this continuity was she watching Phoenix's trial without lifting a finger to help him (whereas canon implied she didn't learn about it until it was already over, over), but her motivation for not telling him the truth about herself moved from "IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy" to "I don't want to be hated" and from there to "Just leave me alone", making her seem rather selfish.

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* One notorious ''Literature/{{Redwall}}'' Rule34 fic featured Matthias and Cornflower, the supposed Messiah figure and his girlfriend, responding to overhearing someone being raped and tortured to death by randomly starting to have sex.



* ''Creator/CoeurAlAran'''s works are guilty of this and how!

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* Twilight Sparkle gets a ''nasty'' case of this throughout the first half of Fanfic/LovedAndLost, which centers around the aftermath of [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E25ACanterlotWeddingPart1 A Canterlot]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E26ACanterlotWeddingPart2 Wedding]], to the point where it overlaps with ProtagonistCenteredMorality. Seeking vengeance against her friends, brother, and the Princesses for not believing her claims that Princess Cadence was evil, she works alongside [[ManipulativeBastard Prince Jewelius]], another nephew of Celestia, to turn the public against them by holding them all responsible for the Changeling Invasion, and assists him in having Princesses removed from power and ''exiled from Equestria'' alongside the Mane Five, Spike, and Shining Armor. And that's only the tip of the iceberg:
** She places the blame for the Changeling invasion on her friends and brother for leaving her alone after she chased Princess Cadence (who was really Queen Chrysalis in disguise) ignoring the fact that Shining Armor was brainwashed (as shown when "Cadence" had to reapply the spell just to keep him compliant). As well as the fact that ''Twilight herself'' didn't provide any physical/visual evidence for her claims that Cadence was evil (nor did she even know that the real Cadence had been replaced) and simply barged into the room, started screaming that Cadence was evil, and chased the Princess out of the room crying, giving all of her friends and mentor the perfect reason to turn their backs on her. And yet she never considers the fact that from their point of view, Twilight had just chased Cadence out of petty spite.
** It gets worse later on as Twilight ''never'' wises up to Jewelius' manipulations until it's almost too late. Allowing her brother to be whipped for an incident that was no fault of his own, turning her back on her friends and family over a grudge (over an incident that she ''brought upon herself''), and nearly let her mentor be EXECUTED while her friends were all exiled from Equestria... and had the audacity to claim ''they all deserved it''.
** This is made even worse near the climax of the story where her apologies to her friends, family, and mentor are very simplistic and barely given any focus when compared to the paragraphs of dialogue the rest of the cast get when apologizing to her. The narrative even goes out of its way to imply that she was ''still'' in the right to act the way she did.

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* Twilight Sparkle gets a ''nasty'' case of this throughout the first half of Fanfic/LovedAndLost, which centers around the aftermath of [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E25ACanterlotWeddingPart1 A Canterlot]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E26ACanterlotWeddingPart2 Wedding]], to the point where it overlaps with ProtagonistCenteredMorality. Seeking vengeance against her friends, brother, and the Princesses for not believing her claims that Princess Cadence was evil, she works alongside [[ManipulativeBastard Prince Jewelius]], another nephew of Celestia, to turn the public against them by holding them all responsible for the Changeling Invasion, and assists him in having Princesses removed from power and ''exiled from Equestria'' alongside the Mane Five, Spike, and Shining Armor. And that's only the tip of the iceberg:
** She places the blame for the Changeling invasion on her friends and brother for leaving her alone after she chased Princess Cadence (who was really Queen Chrysalis in disguise) ignoring the fact that Shining Armor was brainwashed (as shown when "Cadence" had to reapply the spell just to keep him compliant). As well as the fact that ''Twilight herself'' didn't provide any physical/visual evidence for her claims that Cadence was evil (nor did she even know that the real Cadence had been replaced) and simply barged into the room, started screaming that Cadence was evil, and chased the Princess out of the room crying, giving all of her friends and mentor the perfect reason to turn their backs on her. And yet she never considers the fact that from their point of view, Twilight had just chased Cadence out of petty spite.
** It gets worse later on as Twilight ''never'' wises up to Jewelius' manipulations until it's almost too late. Allowing her brother to be whipped for an incident that was no fault of his own, turning her back on her friends and family over a grudge (over an incident that she ''brought upon herself''), and nearly let her mentor be EXECUTED while her friends were all exiled from Equestria... and had the audacity to claim ''they all deserved it''.
** This is made even worse near the climax of the story where her apologies to her friends, family, and mentor are very simplistic and barely given any focus when compared to the paragraphs of dialogue the rest of the cast get when apologizing to her. The narrative even goes out of its way to imply that she was ''still'' in the right to act the way she did.
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** Hinata's shyness is turned UpToEleven, to the point she can barely keep from fainting around an ''illusion'' of Naruto that doesn't speak. Months of exposure therapy sees very little progress on her end, causing many fans to lose interest and wish the author would just get on with it already. It takes Hinata learning she's probably already lost her chance [[spoiler: due to multiple women already being in romantic and sexual relationships with Naruto]] for her to actually talk to him about her feelings.

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** Hinata's shyness is turned UpToEleven, up to eleven, to the point she can barely keep from fainting around an ''illusion'' of Naruto that doesn't speak. Months of exposure therapy sees very little progress on her end, causing many fans to lose interest and wish the author would just get on with it already. It takes Hinata learning she's probably already lost her chance [[spoiler: due to multiple women already being in romantic and sexual relationships with Naruto]] for her to actually talk to him about her feelings.

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* Twilight Sparkle gets a ''nasty'' case of this throughout the first half of Fanfic/LovedAndLost, which centers around the aftermath of [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E25ACanterlotWeddingPart1 A Canterlot]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E26ACanterlotWeddingPart2 Wedding]], to the point where it overlaps with ProtagonistCenteredMorality. Seeking vengeance against her friends, brother, and the Princesses for not believing her claims that Princess Cadence was evil, she works alongside [[ManipulativeBastard Prince Jewelius]], another nephew of Celestia, to turn the public against them by holding them all responsible for the Changeling Invasion, and assists him in having Princesses removed from power and ''exiled from Equestria'' alongside the Mane Five, Spike, and Shining Armor. And that's only the tip of the iceberg:
** She places the blame for the Changeling invasion on her friends and brother for leaving her alone after she chased Princess Cadence (who was really Queen Chrysalis in disguise) ignoring the fact that Shining Armor was brainwashed (as shown when "Cadence" had to reapply the spell just to keep him compliant). As well as the fact that ''Twilight herself'' didn't provide any physical/visual evidence for her claims that Cadence was evil (nor did she even know that the real Cadence had been replaced) and simply barged into the room, started screaming that Cadence was evil, and chased the Princess out of the room crying, giving all of her friends and mentor the perfect reason to turn their backs on her. And yet she never considers the fact that from their point of view, Twilight had just chased Cadence out of petty spite.
** It gets worse later on as Twilight ''never'' wises up to Jewelius' manipulations until it's almost too late. Allowing her brother to be whipped for an incident that was no fault of his own, turning her back on her friends and family over a grudge (over an incident that she ''brought upon herself''), and nearly let her mentor be EXECUTED while her friends were all exiled from Equestria... and had the audacity to claim ''they all deserved it''.
** This is made even worse near the climax of the story where her apologies to her friends, family, and mentor are very simplistic and barely given any focus when compared to the paragraphs of dialogue the rest of the cast get when apologizing to her. The narrative even goes out of its way to imply that she was ''still'' in the right to act the way she did.
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* Despite Cori Falls going out of her way to make them sympathetic [[TheWoobie woobies]], her versions of Jessie, James, and Meowth become ''very'' unsympathetic as her stories go on, not only in their [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown brutal]] [[DisproportionateRetribution treatment]] of characters like Ash, but in their self-righteous behavior, [[{{Wangst}} constant whining about their bad lot in life]], and [[NeverMyFault blaming their (usually self-inflicted) problems on anyone but themselves]].

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** Mallow's supposed to be a sympathetic character whose snapping at her friends for not taking Gladion's disappearance seriously is meant to be cathartic. Problem is, she kept the existence of the Train a secret for what turned out to be a ''completely arbitrary reason'', making her plight come off more as something she brought upon herself.

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** Mallow's supposed to be a sympathetic character whose snapping at her friends for not taking Gladion's disappearance seriously is meant to be cathartic. Problem is, she kept the existence of the Train a secret for what turned out to be a ''completely arbitrary reason'', ''complete misunderstanding on her part'', making her plight come off more as something she brought upon herself.herself.
* In ''[[https://www.tthfanfic.org/Story-30806/Manchester+Silent+Reproach.htm Silent Reproach]]'', [[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica Steve "Captain America" Rogers]] gives a polite and understated but firm QuitYourWhining to [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Buffy]] about her life as a Slayer, likening her to a draftee during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, and saying that whether drafted or volunteers, the soldiers simply did their jobs. We're meant to conclude that this is a well-deserved reality check for Buffy, but Cap fails to acknowledge that not only has Buffy been fighting for much longer and [[ChildSoldiers from a much younger age than he has]], but she also receives much less help and no pay, [[ResignationsNotAccepted with her duty only ending when she dies]]. One reviewer even points out that Cap should be outraged over Buffy being treated this way. Someone later wrote a [[https://www.tthfanfic.org/Story-32046/Sorentia+Disapproval+Earned.htm response to the story]] where Xander chews Steve out over those exact points, including that Buffy died ''twice'' to save the world.



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* In ''Fanfic/NewHopeUniversityMajorInMurder'', Saya, the protagonist, comes off this way after the first trial, when she gets upset over Lucina [[WhatTheHellHero calling her out over her manipulative tactics during the trial]], and [[CantTakeCriticism becomes very defensive]]. What's worse, she's more upset over Lucina's reasonable points than she is over the deaths of the first victim and culprit.



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* ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'': Dr. Gero's obsession with killing Goku becomes somewhat more understandable when [[spoiler:Bulma finds out that his son (whom he built Android 16 to resemble) was among the many Red Ribbon Army soldiers who died when Goku destroyed the organization's HQ during his youth]]. There are just a few problems with that. [[spoiler:First, the Red Ribbon Army was a tyrannical organization responsible for the injuries and deaths of many innocent people, including several of Goku's friends, and had several dangerous fighters in the ranks before King Piccolo came about. And Gero and his son willingly worked for these people despite most likely knowing that. Goku's rampage that took Gero's son was triggered when they screwed with him and his friends for the umpteenth time, so you can't say that Goku went after them unprovoked. Additionally, the video shows that Goku didn't attack the son directly, so the death was accidental. The son might have survived had he fled instead of trying to give a proper farewell in the video]].



* In ''Faery Heroes'', Harry, Hermione, and Luna are shown to be [[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]] who have to do terrible things for the greater good. Even as they belittle their peers, rob the Purebloods blind ([[FridgeHorror likely ruining lives in the process]]), and, oh yeah, ''inflict '''multiple''' [[FateWorseThanDeath Fates Worse Than Death]] on their enemies''.




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* In ''Fanfic/OneWorld'', Ron Weasley ended up becoming this ''before he even appeared in the story''. After some people complained about the author's decision to stick with canon pairings, the author said that he'd portray Ron as "[[JerkAss a prat and a git]]" but not [[RonTheDeathEater a Death Eater]]. For some readers, this wasn't enough, and they insisted that Ron's BelligerentSexualTension with Hermione would inevitably lead to a toxic and abusive relationship. That being said, other readers believe that [[UnintentionallySympathetic the author's analysis of Ron ignores his more positive aspects and the reasons for his behavior (both for good and for ill).]]



* The AlternateUniverseFic ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7715672/1/Not-Everything-Is-Silver-and-Gold Not Everything is Silver and Gold]]'' tries to paint Prussia/Gilbert as sympathetic because [[spoiler: he lost Ludwig, and can't get him back unless he finds a Pure One, a being that can find treasure easily, to Arthur, the guy who murdered the reader's parents]]. However, the fact that chapter 2 involves [[spoiler: Gilbert raping you instead of explaining what's going on, and why]], then constantly forcing himself onto you and basically behaving like an abusive boyfriend doesn't exactly win sympathy from the readers.

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* The AlternateUniverseFic ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7715672/1/Not-Everything-Is-Silver-and-Gold Not Everything is Silver and Gold]]'' tries to paint Prussia/Gilbert as sympathetic because [[spoiler: he [[spoiler:he lost Ludwig, and can't get him back unless he finds a Pure One, a being that can find treasure easily, to Arthur, the guy who murdered the reader's parents]]. However, the fact that chapter 2 involves [[spoiler: Gilbert [[spoiler:Gilbert raping you instead of explaining what's going on, and why]], then constantly forcing himself onto you and basically behaving like an abusive boyfriend doesn't exactly win sympathy from the readers.
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* ''Fanfic/GoAwayImWatchingPorn'':
** Kuroka in Chapter 17. She starts a catty argument with Raynare, gets all vicious when the Fallen Angel [[JerkassHasAPoint rightly calls her out on lying to Issei about her past]], and then tricks her into springing a trap out of petty vindictiveness. Raynare's subsequent punishment is viewed as LaserGuidedKarma in-universe, but it instead comes off as Kuroka being a DirtyCoward who can't take what she dishes out, with Vali and Jasmine simply [[MoralMyopia brushing it off.]]
** Jasmine in Chapter 18. In a blatant AuthorTract to the constant complaints about Jasmine being a sex worker despite being in Issei's Harem, Jasmine proceeds to attack ''everyone'' sans Issei and Kiba, who are too busy fighting, with her Sacred Gear, using an attack she normally uses to ''shatter skulls''. Why? [[DisproportionateRetribution Because Sona insulted her for being a sex worker]], and only ''after'' she goaded Sona by hitting her insecurities with Serafall. The only reason Vali doesn't get affected is because he managed to put a finger in his ear which reduced the effects. Later, she brutally rapes Raynare with a sibian while beating her ass with a riding crop just because the Fallen Angel accused her of padding her breasts--and given what happened earlier, it's highly likely that Jasmine said or did something to provoke her first.
*** Her ensuing rant about what she suffered as a result of what happened to Issei is ''supposed'' to make her come across as sympathetic and make it look like Sona was needlessly antagonistic, but it rings hollow because, as Jasmine even admits, ''Sona is still being [[LockedOutOfTheLoop kept in the dark]] about everything'', and that she still only did this just because Sona is ''Serafall's'' sister. Making matters worse is that she hit ''everyone'' too, including Rias who Issei has started considering part of his hoard, just for being in the area, yet doesn't appear apologetic for her actions, and that instead of actually ''telling'' them about what they're being kept in the dark about, she just continues to keep them ''in'' the dark.
*** Likewise is her reasons for ''becoming'' a sex worker. [[spoiler:She says she became one as a way of sticking it to the people watching her and waiting for her degrade herself, a means of demonstrating they had no hold on her.]] Many have called out these reasons as flimsy ''at best'', and that regardless of her reasons, it doesn't change the fact she ''also'' abandoned Issei in order to pursue her own issues. She even notes that she could have easily stuck by Issei and let him help her instead of doing any of this, but asked him ''not'' to just so she could do this instead, and just for him to trust her, making it sound like she's angry at being in a position that she ''put herself in''.
*** Even the reveal that [[spoiler:her dad committed suicide years ago]] did ''nothing'' to win over her detractors, as they lambasted it as nothing more than a blatant attempt to make her look sympathetic without ''actually addressing the issues of the prior chapter.''
** Issei himself is slowly sliding into this trope. His brutal treatment of Raynare is particularly repulsive (ranging from threatening to deny her food to ''attempted rape''), he never outright apologizes for his mistakes even when acknowledging them, and he keeps excusing Jasmine's awful behavior--both towards others and himself--because he's too pathetically in love with her to care. He's got a traumatic past and his share of decent moments, to be sure, but he's such a colossal prick most of the time that a good number of readers just [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse don't care anymore]] and want him to stop hiding behind what happened to him and move on
*** One particularly egregious issue is his hypocrisy: he mocks Kiba and Gasper's respective [[FreudianExcuse Freudian Excuses]] and forces them to confront their inner demons while [[NoSympathy obnoxiously telling them to get over it]]; and yet he staunchly clings to his own FreudianExcuse, [[ItsAllAboutMe demanding sympathy]] and various forms of compensation [[EntitledBastard when he's really owed nothing at all]], while viciously lashing out at ''anyone'' who tries to help him get over his own issues, or trying to turn it around on them without actually answering the criticism.




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* ''Fanfic/{{Coyote}}'': Riley and Izuku, due to the discrimination they faced for being a foreigner and Quirkless respectively, dig up information on all of their potential teachers and send it to any student who wants to know more information about those teachers. Barring how {{disproportionate|Retribution}} this attitude is, Riley is even worse in this regard by deciding to charge people money for this information, a decision that seems to be motivated by only greed considering neither Riley nor Izuku has any financial problems and Riley's family are rather well-off as {{Royalties Heir}}s. Additionally, if his treatment of Aizawa is any indication, Riley is not above physically assaulting teachers he does not like. Moreover, the story does not acknowledge the possibility of how their system could be used to spread false information about teachers they don't like and get their way (especially in [[EveryoneIsASuper a world where nearly everyone has a Quirk]]).

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* In ''Fanfic/WishingWell'', Wysteria and Sparkleworks have a voltaile relationship full of BelligerentSexualTension, with Wysteria usually being the instigator of the arguing. They switch between periods of constant arguments, before going into a SickeninglySweethearts phase where they [[MakeOutKids do nothing but kiss]], then going back to their arguing. On at least one occasion Sparkleworks has ended up bruised. None of the other ponies care much about their arguing due to how common it is. Sparklework's and Wysteria's relationship is supposed to be seen in a light-hearted relationship, but it comes off more as [[DomesticAbuse abusive]].



* ''FanFic/TheAssassinationOfTwilightSparkle'' had Princess Luna learn of the assassination plot, but fails to stop it due to TheMole she planted being ousted. She then takes revenge against [[TheManBehindTheMan the mastermind behind it]] by [[DreamWeaver giving them nightmares]] until it destroyed their sanity, [[TragicMistake unaware of how it would lead his daughter to become a more dangerous villain]]. But despite this willingness to act, Luna never does more to stop the plot or even warn Twilight or the others about it. When she does act, her unwillingness to straight-up kill allowed him to corrupt their daughter, making it obvious Luna's impulsive act of revenge would do more harm than good. When the author [[https://www.fimfiction.net/blog/860419/looking-back-at-assassinationverse-warning-spoilers-for-those-who-have-not-read-the-series looked back on the series]], he admitted Luna's handling was a mistake.



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* ''Fanfic/TheLastPrayer'':
** Hinata's shyness is turned UpToEleven, to the point she can barely keep from fainting around an ''illusion'' of Naruto that doesn't speak. Months of exposure therapy sees very little progress on her end, causing many fans to lose interest and wish the author would just get on with it already. It takes Hinata learning she's probably already lost her chance [[spoiler: due to multiple women already being in romantic and sexual relationships with Naruto]] for her to actually talk to him about her feelings.
** Chapter 38 had some fans feeling Kurenai lost a lot of sympathy regarding her relationship with Naruto due to her being manipulative and openly controlling about who Naruto marries. Despite knowing for a fact that Naruto had been in a sexual (and later romantic) relationship with Ino even longer than she had, Kurenai only intended to tell Ino if Hinata decided not to marry him. Furthermore, Kurenai acts like it's a given that she'll be marrying Naruto and that she "can accept" him marrying other women. By contrast, Ino has long since come to the conclusion that she actually ''wants'' Naruto to marry her and Sakura.



* In the original version of ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12879916/28/The-Longest-Road The Longest Road]]'', the author clearly intends for the readers to side with Ash in regards to him being banned from Erika's Gym for not liking her perfume. Unfortunately, the fact that he gets her ousted from her job for being a ''lesbian'' (for some reason, the story reveals that LGBT members ''cannot'' be trainers, let alone Gym Leaders), makes him come across as just as bad if not worse than Erika. Doesn't help that as soon as everything is said and done, he's all cheerful and ready to go to his next stop, like it's just everyday business, and [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality without a care]] that the rest of the Gym's staff might find themselves out of a job. [[AuthorsSavingThrow The writer of the story later rewrote the chapter to exclude that portion]]. Instead, Erika's just a jerk who gets in trouble for denying Ash a battle simply due to his hatred of perfume.
** From the same author, in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13422981/1/ Broken Legs, Unbroken Love]]'', as a reviewer points out, Misty fails to gain empathetic reactions from her situation (having both legs broken), other than some faint sympathy you'd have for someone you don't know being in a similar situation. It straddles the line between AngstWhatAngst and {{Wangst}}, given that the author doesn't specify exactly how grave Misty's injuries are (nor how she sustained them, for that matter), other than saying she'd take a full year to recover, so it's hard to tell whether it's a MajorInjuryUnderreaction or a MinorInjuryOverreaction.
** Chapter 25 of ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13438258/25/ 151 Pokeshipping Stories]]'' has a flashback of the death of Misty's mother. The thing is supposed to play out as a tragedy and the reason why Mother's Day isn't a happy day for Misty. Problem is, it's too rushed and happens so brusquely, it fails to sink in. Not to mention that Misty's mother (who is supposedly a Water Pokémon expert, by the way) ended up killed was because she didn't keep a hold on her daughter, or better, get away from there ASAP when there was a ''freaking'' Gyarados sleeping on the shore, which borders on TooDumbToLive.



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* ''Creator/CoeurAlAran'''s works are guilty of this and how!
** ''FanFic/TheBeastOfBeacon'':
*** Tsune's argument invoking HeWhoFightsMonsters on the now-disgraced Team CRMN comes off as this to a significant number of readers. They note how Adam literally had no other option to stop their bullying without making an example of them in a strong way that would discourage such behavior such as what Adam did during the match. This is because while Coeur attempts to invoke a GrayandGrayMorality in the fic itself, moments, where Adam would literally be in the wrong during his time in Beacon before Chapter 11, were sparse and few in between.
*** Blake is seen like this by many readers by chapter 13 for her lack of understanding as to how Adam is slowly changing throughout the story. This is taken even further in chapter 17 when she displays a NeverMyFault attitude when she leaks an edited video of Adam and Yang fighting that leads to Adam getting beaten by racist students in the cafeteria.
** ''FanFic/ForgedDestiny'': Blake is considered to be this to a fair degree. Books 1 through 4 helped to establish a lot of sympathy for her and implied an interesting and complex past for her while still highlighting her genuine strengths and capacity to be a great teammate, friend, and lover. However from Book 5 onwards, she's begun to be stripped of a lot of the positive elements, and poor handling of her character results in her being seen as a self-righteous hypocrite who seems to expect others (Jaune especially) to treat her secrets with gentle hands, while she oftentimes is shown to have a disturbing lack of sympathy or understanding for others' issues or secrets (again, with Jaune). While the author has gone out of his way to try to establish her reasons for doing so (some more reasonable than others), the questionable logic and reasoning combined with a lackluster showing in the story, Jaune's sometimes excessive self-deprecation mixed with borderline Character Shilling of Blake's character have arguably only made her seem even more insufferable as a character.
*** Made all the worse in Book 8, where her abandoning the Guild in order to rush off and kill Raven on her own, and for reasons that either was never hinted at, if not expressly contradicted, cement her as a {{Hypocrite}} of the worse possible kind.
** ''FanFic/RelicoftheFuture'':
*** Many readers feel that the narrative treats Raven far more kindly than she deserves to. Jaune considers her to be something of a friend and an ally worth trusting, despite the fact that she has, in the previous timeline, allied with Salem's servants and directly attacked Jaune's group. In contrast, Ozpin gets little trust or sympathy from Jaune, despite being portrayed far more sympathetically than Raven in canon, as he always tries his best to protect the people around him and to make the best out of a bad situation - though that is largely a result of CanonMarchesOn. Chapter 113 helped to alleviate this, with Raven still being a remorseless bandit and calling Jaune out for deluding himself into believing she's a good person at heart.
*** Some feel Pyrrha forfeited her right to sympathy in chapter 91. After insisting several times that she wanted to stop fighting in tournaments, especially once she started attending a Huntsman Academy, Pyrrha is pressured into entering another tournament but Helena helps her by announcing it's Pyrrha's final tournament before she retires. Despite finally having the perfect out to give up tournament fighting for good, Pyrrha still confirms in a press conference that she's not retiring and will continue fighting. Made worse by the fact one of Pyrrha's opponents in the tournament vastly outclassed her and offered the girl the chance to forfeit, but Pyrrha insisted on fighting on anyway rather than bowing out, and then she and Helena put all the blame on Jaune for “escalating the situation” when he continued to provide her an out.
*** Based on how the story is framed, the audience is supposed to accept the idea that Cinder could be swayed to the side of good if Jaune gave it a try, but Jaune is too set in his ways to try that. It's an interesting idea that Jaune doesn't seem to argue against, but the fact that Cinder is the exact same power-hungry psychopath that she was in canon despite all of Jaune's changes to the timeline really seems to suggest that Cinder is completely irredeemable.




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* In the original version of ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12879916/28/The-Longest-Road The Longest Road]]'', the author clearly intends for the readers to side with Ash in regards to him being banned from Erika's Gym for not liking her perfume. Unfortunately, the fact that he gets her ousted from her job for being a ''lesbian'' (for some reason, the story reveals that LGBT members ''cannot'' be trainers, let alone Gym Leaders), makes him come across as just as bad if not worse than Erika. Doesn't help that as soon as everything is said and done, he's all cheerful and ready to go to his next stop, like it's just everyday business, and [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality without a care]] that the rest of the Gym's staff might find themselves out of a job. [[AuthorsSavingThrow The writer of the story later rewrote the chapter to exclude that portion]]. Instead, Erika's just a jerk who gets in trouble for denying Ash a battle simply due to his hatred of perfume.
** From the same author, in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13422981/1/ Broken Legs, Unbroken Love]]'', as a reviewer points out, Misty fails to gain empathetic reactions from her situation (having both legs broken), other than some faint sympathy you'd have for someone you don't know being in a similar situation. It straddles the line between AngstWhatAngst and {{Wangst}}, given that the author doesn't specify exactly how grave Misty's injuries are (nor how she sustained them, for that matter), other than saying she'd take a full year to recover, so it's hard to tell whether it's a MajorInjuryUnderreaction or a MinorInjuryOverreaction.
** Chapter 25 of ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13438258/25/ 151 Pokeshipping Stories]]'' has a flashback of the death of Misty's mother. The thing is supposed to play out as a tragedy and the reason why Mother's Day isn't a happy day for Misty. Problem is, it's too rushed and happens so brusquely, it fails to sink in. Not to mention that Misty's mother (who is supposedly a Water Pokémon expert, by the way) ended up killed was because she didn't keep a hold on her daughter, or better, get away from there ASAP when there was a ''freaking'' Gyarados sleeping on the shore, which borders on TooDumbToLive.
* In ''[[https://www.tthfanfic.org/Story-30806/Manchester+Silent+Reproach.htm Silent Reproach]]'', [[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica Steve "Captain America" Rogers]] gives a polite and understated but firm QuitYourWhining to [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Buffy]] about her life as a Slayer, likening her to a draftee during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, and saying that whether drafted or volunteers, the soldiers simply did their jobs. We're meant to conclude that this is a well-deserved reality check for Buffy, but Cap fails to acknowledge that not only has Buffy been fighting for much longer and [[ChildSoldiers from a much younger age than he has]], but she also receives much less help and no pay, [[ResignationsNotAccepted with her duty only ending when she dies]]. One reviewer even points out that Cap should be outraged over Buffy being treated this way. Someone later wrote a [[https://www.tthfanfic.org/Story-32046/Sorentia+Disapproval+Earned.htm response to the story]] where Xander chews Steve out over those exact points, including that Buffy died ''twice'' to save the world.
* In ''Fanfic/WishingWell'', Wysteria and Sparkleworks have a voltaile relationship full of BelligerentSexualTension, with Wysteria usually being the instigator of the arguing. They switch between periods of constant arguments, before going into a SickeninglySweethearts phase where they [[MakeOutKids do nothing but kiss]], then going back to their arguing. On at least one occasion Sparkleworks has ended up bruised. None of the other ponies care much about their arguing due to how common it is. Sparklework's and Wysteria's relationship is supposed to be seen in a light-hearted relationship, but it comes off more as [[DomesticAbuse abusive]].
* ''FanFic/TheAssassinationOfTwilightSparkle'' had Princess Luna learn of the assassination plot, but fails to stop it due to TheMole she planted being ousted. She then takes revenge against [[TheManBehindTheMan the mastermind behind it]] by [[DreamWeaver giving them nightmares]] until it destroyed their sanity, [[TragicMistake unaware of how it would lead his daughter to become a more dangerous villain]]. But despite this willingness to act, Luna never does more to stop the plot or even warn Twilight or the others about it. When she does act, her unwillingness to straight-up kill allowed him to corrupt their daughter, making it obvious Luna's impulsive act of revenge would do more harm than good. When the author [[https://www.fimfiction.net/blog/860419/looking-back-at-assassinationverse-warning-spoilers-for-those-who-have-not-read-the-series looked back on the series]], he admitted Luna's handling was a mistake.
* ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'': Dr. Gero's obsession with killing Goku becomes somewhat more understandable when [[spoiler:Bulma finds out that his son (whom he built Android 16 to resemble) was among the many Red Ribbon Army soldiers who died when Goku destroyed the organization's HQ during his youth. There are just two problems with that. First, the Red Ribbon Army was a tyrannical organization responsible for the injuries and deaths of many innocent people, including several of Goku's friends, and had several dangerous fighters in the ranks before King Piccolo came about. And Gero and his son willingly worked for these people despite most likely knowing that. Goku's rampage that took Gero's son was triggered when they screwed with him and his friends for the umpteenth time, so you can't say that Goku went after them unprovoked. Second, the video shows that Goku didn't attack the son directly, so the death was accidental. The son might have survived had he fled instead of trying to give a proper farewell in the video]].
* In ''Fanfic/OneWorld'', [[Franchise/HarryPotter Ron Weasley]] ended up becoming this ''before he even appeared in the story''. After some people complained about the author's decision to stick with canon pairings, the author said that he'd portray Ron as "[[JerkAss a prat and a git]]" but not [[RonTheDeathEater a Death Eater]]. For some readers, this wasn't enough, and they insisted that Ron's BelligerentSexualTension with Hermione would inevitably lead to a toxic and abusive relationship. That being said, other readers believe that [[UnintentionallySympathetic the author's analysis of Ron ignores his more positive aspects and the reasons for his behavior (both for good and for ill).]]
* In ''Faery Heroes'', Harry, Hermione, and Luna are shown to be [[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]] who have to do terrible things for the greater good. Even as they belittle their peers, rob the Purebloods blind ([[FridgeHorror likely ruining lives in the process]]), and, oh yeah, ''inflict '''multiple''' [[FateWorseThanDeath Fates Worse Than Death]] on their enemies''.
* In ''Fanfic/NewHopeUniversityMajorInMurder'', Saya, the protagonist, comes off this way after the first trial, when she gets upset over Lucina [[WhatTheHellHero calling her out over her manipulative tactics during the trial]], and [[CantTakeCriticism becomes very defensive]]. What's worse, she's more upset over Lucina's reasonable points than she is over the deaths of the first victim and culprit.
* ''Fanfic/{{Coyote}}'': Riley and Izuku, due to the discrimination they faced for being a foreigner and Quirkless respectively, dig up information on all of their potential teachers and send it to any student who wants to know more information about those teachers. Barring how {{disproportionate|Retribution}} this attitude is, Riley is even worse in this regard by deciding to charge people money for this information, a decision that seems to be motivated by only greed considering neither Riley nor Izuku has any financial problems and Riley's family are rather well-off as {{Royalties Heir}}s. Additionally, if his treatment of Aizawa is any indication, Riley is not above physically assaulting teachers he does not like. Moreover, the story does not acknowledge the possibility of how their system could be used to spread false information about teachers they don't like and get their way (especially in [[EveryoneIsASuper a world where nearly everyone has a Quirk]]).


* ''Creator/CoeurAlAran'''s works are guilty of this and how!
** FanFic/ForgedDestiny: Blake is considered to be this to a fair degree. Books 1 through 4 helped to establish a lot of sympathy for her and implied an interesting and complex past for her while still highlighting her genuine strengths and capacity to be a great teammate, friend, and lover. However from Book 5 onwards, she's begun to be stripped of a lot of the positive elements, and poor handling of her character results in her being seen as a self-righteous hypocrite who seems to expect others (Jaune especially) to treat her secrets with gentle hands, while she oftentimes is shown to have a disturbing lack of sympathy or understanding for others' issues or secrets (again, with Jaune). While the author has gone out of his way to try to establish her reasons for doing so (some more reasonable than others), the questionable logic and reasoning combined with a lackluster showing in the story, Jaune's sometimes excessive self-deprecation mixed with borderline Character Shilling of Blake's character have arguably only made her seem even more insufferable as a character.
*** Made all the worse in Book 8, where her abandoning the Guild in order to rush off and kill Raven on her own, and for reasons that either was never hinted at, if not expressly contradicted, cement her as a {{Hypocrite}} of the worse possible kind.
** FanFic/RelicoftheFuture:
*** Many readers feel that the narrative treats Raven far more kindly than she deserves to. Jaune considers her to be something of a friend and an ally worth trusting, despite the fact that she has, in the previous timeline, allied with Salem's servants and directly attacked Jaune's group. In contrast, Ozpin gets little trust or sympathy from Jaune, despite being portrayed far more sympathetically than Raven in canon, as he always tries his best to protect the people around him and to make the best out of a bad situation - though that is largely a result of CanonMarchesOn. Chapter 113 helped to alleviate this, with Raven still being a remorseless bandit and calling Jaune out for deluding himself into believing she's a good person at heart.
*** Some feel Pyrrha forfeited her right to sympathy in chapter 91. After insisting several times that she wanted to stop fighting in tournaments, especially once she started attending a Huntsman Academy, Pyrrha is pressured into entering another tournament but Helena helps her by announcing it's Pyrrha's final tournament before she retires. Despite finally having the perfect out to give up tournament fighting for good, Pyrrha still confirms in a press conference that she's not retiring and will continue fighting. Made worse by the fact one of Pyrrha's opponents in the tournament vastly outclassed her and offered the girl the chance to forfeit, but Pyrrha insisted on fighting on anyway rather than bowing out, and then she and Helena put all the blame on Jaune for “escalating the situation” when he continued to provide her an out.
*** Based on how the story is framed, the audience is supposed to accept the idea that Cinder could be swayed to the side of good if Jaune gave it a try, but Jaune is too set in his ways to try that. It's an interesting idea that Jaune doesn't seem to argue against, but the fact that Cinder is the exact same power-hungry psychopath that she was in canon despite all of Jaune's changes to the timeline really seems to suggest that Cinder is completely irredeemable.
** FanFic/TheBeastOfBeacon
*** Tsune's argument invoking HeWhoFightsMonsters on the now-disgraced Team CRMN comes off as this to a significant number of readers. They note how Adam literally had no other option to stop their bullying without making an example of them in a strong way that would discourage such behavior such as what Adam did during the match. This is because while Coeur attempts to invoke a GrayandGrayMorality in the fic itself, moments, where Adam would literally be in the wrong during his time in Beacon before Chapter 11, were sparse and few in between.
*** Blake is seen like this by many readers by chapter 13 for her lack of understanding as to how Adam is slowly changing throughout the story. This is taken even further in chapter 17 when she displays a NeverMyFault attitude when she leaks an edited video of Adam and Yang fighting that leads to Adam getting beaten by racist students in the cafeteria.
* ''Fanfic/TheLastPrayer'':
** Hinata's shyness is turned UpToEleven, to the point she can barely keep from fainting around an ''illusion'' of Naruto that doesn't speak. Months of exposure therapy sees very little progress on her end, causing many fans to lose interest and wish the author would just get on with it already. It takes Hinata learning she's probably already lost her chance [[spoiler: due to multiple women already being in romantic and sexual relationships with Naruto]] for her to actually talk to him about her feelings.
** Chapter 38 had some fans feeling Kurenai lost a lot of sympathy regarding her relationship with Naruto due to her being manipulative and openly controlling about who Naruto marries. Despite knowing for a fact that Naruto had been in a sexual (and later romantic) relationship with Ino even longer than she had, Kurenai only intended to tell Ino if Hinata decided not to marry him. Furthermore, Kurenai acts like it's a given that she'll be marrying Naruto and that she "can accept" him marrying other women. By contrast, Ino has long since come to the conclusion that she actually ''wants'' Naruto to marry her and Sakura.
* ''Fanfic/GoAwayImWatchingPorn'':
** Kuroka in Chapter 17. She starts a catty argument with Raynare, gets all vicious when the Fallen Angel [[JerkassHasAPoint rightly calls her out on lying to Issei about her past]], and then tricks her into springing a trap out of petty vindictiveness. Raynare's subsequent punishment is viewed as LaserGuidedKarma in-universe, but it instead comes off as Kuroka being a DirtyCoward who can't take what she dishes out, with Vali and Jasmine simply [[MoralMyopia brushing it off.]]
** Jasmine in Chapter 18. In a blatant AuthorTract to the constant complaints about Jasmine being a sex worker despite being in Issei's Harem, Jasmine proceeds to attack ''everyone'' sans Issei and Kiba, who are too busy fighting, with her Sacred Gear, using an attack she normally uses to ''shatter skulls''. Why? [[DisproportionateRetribution Because Sona insulted her for being a sex worker]], and only ''after'' she goaded Sona by hitting her insecurities with Serafall. The only reason Vali doesn't get affected is because he managed to put a finger in his ear which reduced the effects. Later, she brutally rapes Raynare with a sibian while beating her ass with a riding crop just because the Fallen Angel accused her of padding her breasts--and given what happened earlier, it's highly likely that Jasmine said or did something to provoke her first.
*** Her ensuing rant about what she suffered as a result of what happened to Issei is ''supposed'' to make her come across as sympathetic and make it look like Sona was needlessly antagonistic, but it rings hollow because, as Jasmine even admits, ''Sona is still being [[LockedOutOfTheLoop kept in the dark]] about everything'', and that she still only did this just because Sona is ''Serafall's'' sister. Making matters worse is that she hit ''everyone'' too, including Rias who Issei has started considering part of his hoard, just for being in the area, yet doesn't appear apologetic for her actions, and that instead of actually ''telling'' them about what they're being kept in the dark about, she just continues to keep them ''in'' the dark.
*** Likewise is her reasons for ''becoming'' a sex worker. [[spoiler:She says she became one as a way of sticking it to the people watching her and waiting for her degrade herself, a means of demonstrating they had no hold on her.]] Many have called out these reasons as flimsy ''at best'', and that regardless of her reasons, it doesn't change the fact she ''also'' abandoned Issei in order to pursue her own issues. She even notes that she could have easily stuck by Issei and let him help her instead of doing any of this, but asked him ''not'' to just so she could do this instead, and just for him to trust her, making it sound like she's angry at being in a position that she ''put herself in''.
*** Even the reveal that [[spoiler:her dad committed suicide years ago]] did ''nothing'' to win over her detractors, as they lambasted it as nothing more than a blatant attempt to make her look sympathetic without ''actually addressing the issues of the prior chapter.''
** Issei himself is slowly sliding into this trope. His brutal treatment of Raynare is particularly repulsive (ranging from threatening to deny her food to ''attempted rape''), he never outright apologizes for his mistakes even when acknowledging them, and he keeps excusing Jasmine's awful behavior--both towards others and himself--because he's too pathetically in love with her to care. He's got a traumatic past and his share of decent moments, to be sure, but he's such a colossal prick most of the time that a good number of readers just [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse don't care anymore]] and want him to stop hiding behind what happened to him and move on
*** One particularly egregious issue is his hypocrisy: he mocks Kiba and Gasper's respective [[FreudianExcuse Freudian Excuses]] and forces them to confront their inner demons while [[NoSympathy obnoxiously telling them to get over it]]; and yet he staunchly clings to his own FreudianExcuse, [[ItsAllAboutMe demanding sympathy]] and various forms of compensation [[EntitledBastard when he's really owed nothing at all]], while viciously lashing out at ''anyone'' who tries to help him get over his own issues, or trying to turn it around on them without actually answering the criticism.

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\n----\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n* In the original version of ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12879916/28/The-Longest-Road The Longest Road]]'', the author clearly intends for the readers to side with Ash in regards to him being banned from Erika's Gym for not liking her perfume. Unfortunately, the fact that he gets her ousted from her job for being a ''lesbian'' (for some reason, the story reveals that LGBT members ''cannot'' be trainers, let alone Gym Leaders), makes him come across as just as bad if not worse than Erika. Doesn't help that as soon as everything is said and done, he's all cheerful and ready to go to his next stop, like it's just everyday business, and [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality without a care]] that the rest of the Gym's staff might find themselves out of a job. [[AuthorsSavingThrow The writer of the story later rewrote the chapter to exclude that portion]]. Instead, Erika's just a jerk who gets in trouble for denying Ash a battle simply due to his hatred of perfume.\n** From the same author, in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13422981/1/ Broken Legs, Unbroken Love]]'', as a reviewer points out, Misty fails to gain empathetic reactions from her situation (having both legs broken), other than some faint sympathy you'd have for someone you don't know being in a similar situation. It straddles the line between AngstWhatAngst and {{Wangst}}, given that the author doesn't specify exactly how grave Misty's injuries are (nor how she sustained them, for that matter), other than saying she'd take a full year to recover, so it's hard to tell whether it's a MajorInjuryUnderreaction or a MinorInjuryOverreaction.\n** Chapter 25 of ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13438258/25/ 151 Pokeshipping Stories]]'' has a flashback of the death of Misty's mother. The thing is supposed to play out as a tragedy and the reason why Mother's Day isn't a happy day for Misty. Problem is, it's too rushed and happens so brusquely, it fails to sink in. Not to mention that Misty's mother (who is supposedly a Water Pokémon expert, by the way) ended up killed was because she didn't keep a hold on her daughter, or better, get away from there ASAP when there was a ''freaking'' Gyarados sleeping on the shore, which borders on TooDumbToLive.\n* In ''[[https://www.tthfanfic.org/Story-30806/Manchester+Silent+Reproach.htm Silent Reproach]]'', [[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica Steve "Captain America" Rogers]] gives a polite and understated but firm QuitYourWhining to [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Buffy]] about her life as a Slayer, likening her to a draftee during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, and saying that whether drafted or volunteers, the soldiers simply did their jobs. We're meant to conclude that this is a well-deserved reality check for Buffy, but Cap fails to acknowledge that not only has Buffy been fighting for much longer and [[ChildSoldiers from a much younger age than he has]], but she also receives much less help and no pay, [[ResignationsNotAccepted with her duty only ending when she dies]]. One reviewer even points out that Cap should be outraged over Buffy being treated this way. Someone later wrote a [[https://www.tthfanfic.org/Story-32046/Sorentia+Disapproval+Earned.htm response to the story]] where Xander chews Steve out over those exact points, including that Buffy died ''twice'' to save the world.\n* In ''Fanfic/WishingWell'', Wysteria and Sparkleworks have a voltaile relationship full of BelligerentSexualTension, with Wysteria usually being the instigator of the arguing. They switch between periods of constant arguments, before going into a SickeninglySweethearts phase where they [[MakeOutKids do nothing but kiss]], then going back to their arguing. On at least one occasion Sparkleworks has ended up bruised. None of the other ponies care much about their arguing due to how common it is. Sparklework's and Wysteria's relationship is supposed to be seen in a light-hearted relationship, but it comes off more as [[DomesticAbuse abusive]].\n* ''FanFic/TheAssassinationOfTwilightSparkle'' had Princess Luna learn of the assassination plot, but fails to stop it due to TheMole she planted being ousted. She then takes revenge against [[TheManBehindTheMan the mastermind behind it]] by [[DreamWeaver giving them nightmares]] until it destroyed their sanity, [[TragicMistake unaware of how it would lead his daughter to become a more dangerous villain]]. But despite this willingness to act, Luna never does more to stop the plot or even warn Twilight or the others about it. When she does act, her unwillingness to straight-up kill allowed him to corrupt their daughter, making it obvious Luna's impulsive act of revenge would do more harm than good. When the author [[https://www.fimfiction.net/blog/860419/looking-back-at-assassinationverse-warning-spoilers-for-those-who-have-not-read-the-series looked back on the series]], he admitted Luna's handling was a mistake.\n* ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'': Dr. Gero's obsession with killing Goku becomes somewhat more understandable when [[spoiler:Bulma finds out that his son (whom he built Android 16 to resemble) was among the many Red Ribbon Army soldiers who died when Goku destroyed the organization's HQ during his youth. There are just two problems with that. First, the Red Ribbon Army was a tyrannical organization responsible for the injuries and deaths of many innocent people, including several of Goku's friends, and had several dangerous fighters in the ranks before King Piccolo came about. And Gero and his son willingly worked for these people despite most likely knowing that. Goku's rampage that took Gero's son was triggered when they screwed with him and his friends for the umpteenth time, so you can't say that Goku went after them unprovoked. Second, the video shows that Goku didn't attack the son directly, so the death was accidental. The son might have survived had he fled instead of trying to give a proper farewell in the video]].\n* In ''Fanfic/OneWorld'', [[Franchise/HarryPotter Ron Weasley]] ended up becoming this ''before he even appeared in the story''. After some people complained about the author's decision to stick with canon pairings, the author said that he'd portray Ron as "[[JerkAss a prat and a git]]" but not [[RonTheDeathEater a Death Eater]]. For some readers, this wasn't enough, and they insisted that Ron's BelligerentSexualTension with Hermione would inevitably lead to a toxic and abusive relationship. That being said, other readers believe that [[UnintentionallySympathetic the author's analysis of Ron ignores his more positive aspects and the reasons for his behavior (both for good and for ill).]]\n* In ''Faery Heroes'', Harry, Hermione, and Luna are shown to be [[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]] who have to do terrible things for the greater good. Even as they belittle their peers, rob the Purebloods blind ([[FridgeHorror likely ruining lives in the process]]), and, oh yeah, ''inflict '''multiple''' [[FateWorseThanDeath Fates Worse Than Death]] on their enemies''.\n* In ''Fanfic/NewHopeUniversityMajorInMurder'', Saya, the protagonist, comes off this way after the first trial, when she gets upset over Lucina [[WhatTheHellHero calling her out over her manipulative tactics during the trial]], and [[CantTakeCriticism becomes very defensive]]. What's worse, she's more upset over Lucina's reasonable points than she is over the deaths of the first victim and culprit.\n* ''Fanfic/{{Coyote}}'': Riley and Izuku, due to the discrimination they faced for being a foreigner and Quirkless respectively, dig up information on all of their potential teachers and send it to any student who wants to know more information about those teachers. Barring how {{disproportionate|Retribution}} this attitude is, Riley is even worse in this regard by deciding to charge people money for this information, a decision that seems to be motivated by only greed considering neither Riley nor Izuku has any financial problems and Riley's family are rather well-off as {{Royalties Heir}}s. Additionally, if his treatment of Aizawa is any indication, Riley is not above physically assaulting teachers he does not like. Moreover, the story does not acknowledge the possibility of how their system could be used to spread false information about teachers they don't like and get their way (especially in [[EveryoneIsASuper a world where nearly everyone has a Quirk]]).\n\n\n* ''Creator/CoeurAlAran'''s works are guilty of this and how! \n** FanFic/ForgedDestiny: Blake is considered to be this to a fair degree. Books 1 through 4 helped to establish a lot of sympathy for her and implied an interesting and complex past for her while still highlighting her genuine strengths and capacity to be a great teammate, friend, and lover. However from Book 5 onwards, she's begun to be stripped of a lot of the positive elements, and poor handling of her character results in her being seen as a self-righteous hypocrite who seems to expect others (Jaune especially) to treat her secrets with gentle hands, while she oftentimes is shown to have a disturbing lack of sympathy or understanding for others' issues or secrets (again, with Jaune). While the author has gone out of his way to try to establish her reasons for doing so (some more reasonable than others), the questionable logic and reasoning combined with a lackluster showing in the story, Jaune's sometimes excessive self-deprecation mixed with borderline Character Shilling of Blake's character have arguably only made her seem even more insufferable as a character.\n*** Made all the worse in Book 8, where her abandoning the Guild in order to rush off and kill Raven on her own, and for reasons that either was never hinted at, if not expressly contradicted, cement her as a {{Hypocrite}} of the worse possible kind.\n** FanFic/RelicoftheFuture: \n*** Many readers feel that the narrative treats Raven far more kindly than she deserves to. Jaune considers her to be something of a friend and an ally worth trusting, despite the fact that she has, in the previous timeline, allied with Salem's servants and directly attacked Jaune's group. In contrast, Ozpin gets little trust or sympathy from Jaune, despite being portrayed far more sympathetically than Raven in canon, as he always tries his best to protect the people around him and to make the best out of a bad situation - though that is largely a result of CanonMarchesOn. Chapter 113 helped to alleviate this, with Raven still being a remorseless bandit and calling Jaune out for deluding himself into believing she's a good person at heart.\n*** Some feel Pyrrha forfeited her right to sympathy in chapter 91. After insisting several times that she wanted to stop fighting in tournaments, especially once she started attending a Huntsman Academy, Pyrrha is pressured into entering another tournament but Helena helps her by announcing it's Pyrrha's final tournament before she retires. Despite finally having the perfect out to give up tournament fighting for good, Pyrrha still confirms in a press conference that she's not retiring and will continue fighting. Made worse by the fact one of Pyrrha's opponents in the tournament vastly outclassed her and offered the girl the chance to forfeit, but Pyrrha insisted on fighting on anyway rather than bowing out, and then she and Helena put all the blame on Jaune for “escalating the situation” when he continued to provide her an out.\n*** Based on how the story is framed, the audience is supposed to accept the idea that Cinder could be swayed to the side of good if Jaune gave it a try, but Jaune is too set in his ways to try that. It's an interesting idea that Jaune doesn't seem to argue against, but the fact that Cinder is the exact same power-hungry psychopath that she was in canon despite all of Jaune's changes to the timeline really seems to suggest that Cinder is completely irredeemable.\n** FanFic/TheBeastOfBeacon\n*** Tsune's argument invoking HeWhoFightsMonsters on the now-disgraced Team CRMN comes off as this to a significant number of readers. They note how Adam literally had no other option to stop their bullying without making an example of them in a strong way that would discourage such behavior such as what Adam did during the match. This is because while Coeur attempts to invoke a GrayandGrayMorality in the fic itself, moments, where Adam would literally be in the wrong during his time in Beacon before Chapter 11, were sparse and few in between.\n*** Blake is seen like this by many readers by chapter 13 for her lack of understanding as to how Adam is slowly changing throughout the story. This is taken even further in chapter 17 when she displays a NeverMyFault attitude when she leaks an edited video of Adam and Yang fighting that leads to Adam getting beaten by racist students in the cafeteria.\n* ''Fanfic/TheLastPrayer'':\n** Hinata's shyness is turned UpToEleven, to the point she can barely keep from fainting around an ''illusion'' of Naruto that doesn't speak. Months of exposure therapy sees very little progress on her end, causing many fans to lose interest and wish the author would just get on with it already. It takes Hinata learning she's probably already lost her chance [[spoiler: due to multiple women already being in romantic and sexual relationships with Naruto]] for her to actually talk to him about her feelings.\n** Chapter 38 had some fans feeling Kurenai lost a lot of sympathy regarding her relationship with Naruto due to her being manipulative and openly controlling about who Naruto marries. Despite knowing for a fact that Naruto had been in a sexual (and later romantic) relationship with Ino even longer than she had, Kurenai only intended to tell Ino if Hinata decided not to marry him. Furthermore, Kurenai acts like it's a given that she'll be marrying Naruto and that she "can accept" him marrying other women. By contrast, Ino has long since come to the conclusion that she actually ''wants'' Naruto to marry her and Sakura.\n* ''Fanfic/GoAwayImWatchingPorn'':\n** Kuroka in Chapter 17. She starts a catty argument with Raynare, gets all vicious when the Fallen Angel [[JerkassHasAPoint rightly calls her out on lying to Issei about her past]], and then tricks her into springing a trap out of petty vindictiveness. Raynare's subsequent punishment is viewed as LaserGuidedKarma in-universe, but it instead comes off as Kuroka being a DirtyCoward who can't take what she dishes out, with Vali and Jasmine simply [[MoralMyopia brushing it off.]]\n** Jasmine in Chapter 18. In a blatant AuthorTract to the constant complaints about Jasmine being a sex worker despite being in Issei's Harem, Jasmine proceeds to attack ''everyone'' sans Issei and Kiba, who are too busy fighting, with her Sacred Gear, using an attack she normally uses to ''shatter skulls''. Why? [[DisproportionateRetribution Because Sona insulted her for being a sex worker]], and only ''after'' she goaded Sona by hitting her insecurities with Serafall. The only reason Vali doesn't get affected is because he managed to put a finger in his ear which reduced the effects. Later, she brutally rapes Raynare with a sibian while beating her ass with a riding crop just because the Fallen Angel accused her of padding her breasts--and given what happened earlier, it's highly likely that Jasmine said or did something to provoke her first.\n*** Her ensuing rant about what she suffered as a result of what happened to Issei is ''supposed'' to make her come across as sympathetic and make it look like Sona was needlessly antagonistic, but it rings hollow because, as Jasmine even admits, ''Sona is still being [[LockedOutOfTheLoop kept in the dark]] about everything'', and that she still only did this just because Sona is ''Serafall's'' sister. Making matters worse is that she hit ''everyone'' too, including Rias who Issei has started considering part of his hoard, just for being in the area, yet doesn't appear apologetic for her actions, and that instead of actually ''telling'' them about what they're being kept in the dark about, she just continues to keep them ''in'' the dark.\n*** Likewise is her reasons for ''becoming'' a sex worker. [[spoiler:She says she became one as a way of sticking it to the people watching her and waiting for her degrade herself, a means of demonstrating they had no hold on her.]] Many have called out these reasons as flimsy ''at best'', and that regardless of her reasons, it doesn't change the fact she ''also'' abandoned Issei in order to pursue her own issues. She even notes that she could have easily stuck by Issei and let him help her instead of doing any of this, but asked him ''not'' to just so she could do this instead, and just for him to trust her, making it sound like she's angry at being in a position that she ''put herself in''.\n*** Even the reveal that [[spoiler:her dad committed suicide years ago]] did ''nothing'' to win over her detractors, as they lambasted it as nothing more than a blatant attempt to make her look sympathetic without ''actually addressing the issues of the prior chapter.''\n** Issei himself is slowly sliding into this trope. His brutal treatment of Raynare is particularly repulsive (ranging from threatening to deny her food to ''attempted rape''), he never outright apologizes for his mistakes even when acknowledging them, and he keeps excusing Jasmine's awful behavior--both towards others and himself--because he's too pathetically in love with her to care. He's got a traumatic past and his share of decent moments, to be sure, but he's such a colossal prick most of the time that a good number of readers just [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse don't care anymore]] and want him to stop hiding behind what happened to him and move on\n*** One particularly egregious issue is his hypocrisy: he mocks Kiba and Gasper's respective [[FreudianExcuse Freudian Excuses]] and forces them to confront their inner demons while [[NoSympathy obnoxiously telling them to get over it]]; and yet he staunchly clings to his own FreudianExcuse, [[ItsAllAboutMe demanding sympathy]] and various forms of compensation [[EntitledBastard when he's really owed nothing at all]], while viciously lashing out at ''anyone'' who tries to help him get over his own issues, or trying to turn it around on them without actually answering the criticism.----

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** Mallow's supposed to be a sympathetic character whose snapping at her friends is supposed to be cathartic, but the problem is that ''she'' kept the existence of the Train a secret for ''a completely arbitrary reason'', so it feels less like a cathartic moment and more like something she brought upon herself.

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** Mallow's supposed to be a sympathetic character whose snapping at her friends for not taking Gladion's disappearance seriously is supposed meant to be cathartic, but the problem is that ''she'' cathartic. Problem is, she kept the existence of the Train a secret for ''a completely what turned out to be a ''completely arbitrary reason'', so it feels less like a cathartic moment and making her plight come off more like as something she brought upon herself.
* ''Fanfic/ToukenDanshiAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix'': Harry and the ''VideoGame/ToukenRanbu'' cast are supposed to be seen as cool, confident and assertive, but in practice they are snobbish (openly look down on and insult Hogwarts and wizarding Britain), entitled (verbally attack and threaten Dumbledore into allowing preferential treatment for Harry), myopic (given that Harry is a prince of Japan, they never consider how their actions can affect foreign relations), annoying (assert their Japanese identity in tasteless ways, which include GratuitousJapanese towards people who don't speak the language) and violent (the swords often assault the British for the slightest perceived slights).

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* Iris lands in this territory in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9550053/1/The-Fey-Family-Cousin The Fey Family Cousin]]''. Not only in this continuity was she watching Phoenix's trial without lifting a finger to help him (whereas canon implied she didn't learn about it until it was already over, but her motivation for not telling him the truth about herself moved from "IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy" to "I don't want to be hated" and from there to "Just leave me alone", making her seem rather selfish.



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* ''Fragments'' tries to be a FixFic for the Tenth Doctor's regeneration. Here 10 comes across as incredibly selfish, hating 11 just for being the next Doctor and wishing he could die so he was the last. And for this he gets Rose. [[KarmaHoudini Karma Houdinis]] together.



* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9976928/9/The-Bloody-Ashikabi The Bloody Ashikabi]]'' tries to make Lily and James Potter out to be sympathetic in their introduction by revealing that [[DaddyHadAGoodReasonForAbandoningYou they had Harry sent away to protect him from Death Eaters wanting to avenge Voldemort's death]]. The problem is that not only did they never BOTHER checking up on Harry or see where Dumbledore left him (which should have ''clearly'' been their first priority to begin with), some reviewers pointed out that they had ''more'' children, making their point about Death Eater attacks void, as they are just putting more kids in danger. Not only does it fail to present them as ParentsAsPeople, but it makes them borderline incompetent. [[WhatTheHellHero Their anger at Dumbledore]] should have made them out to be MamaBear and PapaWolf respectably, but again, they never bothered checking to see if Harry was safe to begin with, meaning they had no right to be angry at the old man when they acted no better.







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* The AlternateUniverseFic ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7715672/1/Not-Everything-Is-Silver-and-Gold Not Everything is Silver and Gold]]'' tries to paint Prussia/Gilbert as sympathetic because [[spoiler: he lost Ludwig, and can't get him back unless he finds a Pure One, a being that can find treasure easily, to Arthur, the guy who murdered the reader's parents]]. However, the fact that chapter 2 involves [[spoiler: Gilbert raping you instead of explaining what's going on, and why]], then constantly forcing himself onto you and basically behaving like an abusive boyfriend doesn't exactly win sympathy from the readers.

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* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12598315/1/Secret-Love Secret Love]]'' has Ducky and Petrie fall in love and have to keep up the secret, eventually learned by their friends, their mothers, and Littlefoot's grandparents. The fic tries to show Ducky and Petrie as being victims of prejudice (which is brought up quite a bit in the story), but those who do protect them are bound to be very angry with those who don't tolerate them (such as Mr. Threehorn, who got a RonTheDeathEater treatment and got turned into an intolerant interspecies-hating jerk). There's also a chapter when Hyp's father is chewing out Hyp for being a bully, but he seems [[SkewedPriorities more angry that his son is against Petrie and Ducky's secret relationship]] than he is about Hyp swatting Ducky into a tar pit.

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* In ''[[http://archiveofourown.org/works/8823994/ Bring Me Home]]'', Adrien falls into this pretty heavily after his decision to shut Ladybug out of his life without saying goodbye after the defeat of Hawk Moth, and it unfortunately still applies even after the story's attempts to redeem him for it, thanks to a few unaddressed factors:
** First of all, regardless of Adrien's actions toward Ladybug, his overall situation is frankly not as bad as it's made out to be. We're told more than once that he "lost everything that day" after his father was unmasked as Hawk Moth, but the fact is that we see little evidence of him suffering socially or financially from this, since he willingly sold the mansion and his stake in his father's company the first chance he got, none of his school friends have been shown to treat him differently because of his father, and he isn't shown to have any regrets about leaving behind modelling to pursue his interest in teaching, nor does he seem to deny that he has a lot more freedom now than he ever had when Gabriel was running his life. For comparison, other noteworthy fanfic portrayals of Adrien in a similar position have had Gabriel being killed in the final confrontation and Adrien being taken in by {{resentful guardian}}s in another country (''Fanfic/BackToUs'') or had Adrien's career explicitly suffering because of his father's reputation and forcing him to leave Paris just to find designers willing to work with him (''Fanfic/RuinedWithYou''). It ''is'' eventually revealed that he's been suffering nightmares of the final battle, but that only excuses so much.
** While this isn't the first "post-victory separation and reunion" fic to involve Adrien consciously choosing to leave Ladybug behind without revealing his identity because of his father, it comes across as a lot more unforgivably callous here because, as Marinette points out, he always had the choice to come back to her. For comparison, ''Ruined With You''!Adrien made a snap-judgement to return his Miraculous to Master Fu without waiting for Ladybug, thus leaving her with no illusions about seeing her partner again, and he regretted it later but couldn't take it back so easily. ''Bring Me Home''!Adrien knows that Ladybug has been sitting on their rooftop meeting place every night for years, occasionally crying, but despite still having the ring locked in a safe in his bedroom, he still isn't willing to return to her. And while he is of course [[WhatTheHellHero/FanWorks called out on it]] after the reveal, it arguably becomes a case of EasilyForgiven due to subsequent events, thus pushing him further into this category.
** One of Adrien's stated excuses for not contacting her is that he honestly thought she was crying over some problem in her civilian life, because he didn't think that she'd miss Chat Noir this much if she only saw him as a friend. Even if any of this had still been correct, it doesn't make it any less callous that he wasn't willing to comfort her over whatever this civilian problem was, especially after he saw her crying for multiple years without getting better. It also raises troubling implications about how much Adrien values his other friends such as Nino.
** In one of Adrien and Marinette's scenes together before the reveal, he calls her out on the way he's been shutting people such as Alya and her parents out despite her obvious growing depression. Okay, it's a fair assessment (especially after we learn that Tikki herself had been encouraging Marinette to reveal herself and get support), but coming from him it's staggeringly hypocritical given what he's been doing to Ladybug so far. Particularly jarring is this line delivered without a hint of self-awareness: "You’re not the only one who’s hurting. My mother’s dead, my father’s in jail, I’ve pushed the only woman I’ve ever loved away, and yet you don’t see me going around making everyone pay for my sorrows." In fact, he outright states eventually that one of his reasons for abandoning her was not wanting to burden her with his family's problems. He apologises for the outburst later that night, but the hypocrisy goes unaddressed.
** As for why Adrien's "redemption" does little to turn any of this around, it comes shortly after the reveal and Marinette's justifiably furious reaction to it. When Tikki flies in his window and alerts him to Marinette getting in a car crash just outside the city, which no one else will be able to rescue her from in time, Adrien refuses to put his ring back on because he wants to avoid Plagg's anger at him for taking it off in the first place. Even when Tikki tells him that he's going to need Cataclysm to get her out of the car, he still insists on leaving the ring behind, once again putting the pain he wants to avoid above that which he knows the woman he loves is going through, and it takes a withering verbal beatdown from Tikki to change his mind. As such, what was almost an effective (if rather contrived) redemption falls flat because he fails to demonstrate that he's learned anything from the consequences of his mistakes. Nevertheless, it's accepted as one in-universe and he and Marinette have only gotten closer since.
** Marinette also comes across unsympathetic. She spent years refusing to open up to anyone about her problems, despite Tikki encouraging her to unmask herself if it would help and despite Alya, her parents and others being openly worried about her, and it seems that she never went to any effort to track down Chat Noir beyond sitting at their meeting place - if Ladybug had spoken to the Ladyblog about his disappearance, Adrien at least wouldn't have been able to fool himself about what she was crying about. Her excuse for this is that to unmask to anyone before Chat Noir would have felt like she was betraying him, but she continues to do this even after finding out he was Adrien (and had effectively betrayed her first), choosing to leave town rather than seek help from Alya or her parents (which gets her into the aforementioned car crash). What's more, after the rescue and her reconciliation with Adrien, she lies to them about the cause of her depression and why she walked out on Adrien, and there's little indication that she's planning to reveal to them despite the story having progressed two years since this scene. [[spoiler:Eventually Alya finds out herself but doesn't tell them, for some reason feeling guilty about not being there for her even though she had clearly ''tried'' to be.]]
* ''Fanfic/TalesOfKarmicLiesAftermath'': Adrien's conversation with his father is meant to be a triumphant moment of him CallingTheOldManOut after finally [[GrewASpine growing a spine]]. However, this is undercut by how ''Tales'' is a RecursiveFanfiction sequel to ''Fanfic/TheKarmaOfLies'', in which Adrien [[NeverMyFault never acknowledges]] the role he played in [[HoistByHisOwnPetard his own downfall]], remaining [[SelectiveObliviousness willfully ignorant]] to the end. As a result, his callout comes off more as Adrien [[TheyJustDontGetIt continuing to pass the buck]] and blame his father for his own mistakes.

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* Izuku Midoriya in ''[[https://archiveofourown.org/series/1302101 All For Power]]'' loses his mother when Inko takes a bullet meant for him. Ordinarily, this would be heartbreaking, but Izuku willingly joined the League Of Villains twelve years prior in order to take over Japan and never once contacted Inko after he ran away. She died saving him because Izuku had befriended her under his new identity Imoku, roughly two years after he ran away. At Inko's funeral, Bakugou (who knows Izuku's true identity due to SomethingOnlyTheyWouldSay) calls out "Imoku" for letting her waste away and never once telling Inko he was still alive.




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* ''VideoGame/PokemonZetaAndOmicron'' has an interesting case of this with [[spoiler:Zeta[=/=]Omicron, your EvilTwin who corrupted and stole the signature [[OlympusMons Legendary]] Pokemon of Gold, the protagonist of ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver'', resulting in him becoming a FallenHero in an effort to get it back. They are clearly not supposed to be a sympathetic character, as they smugly rub their theft in Gold's face, show little concern when you snag said signature Pokemon from them, and acted out said theft ([[ForWantOfANail which ultimately resulted in every bad thing that happens in the game]]) [[EvilIsPetty solely so they could be the owner of every Pokemon in the world]]; despite this, it's clear that the creator intended for them to have a biting NotSoDifferentRemark[=/=]WhatTheHellPlayer moment, when ([[TimeyWimeyBall after going back in time and witnessing them stealing said Pokemon]]) they tell you that you're no different since you snag every Shadow Pokemon you find (including [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Brendan's]] Rayquaza, which indirectly causes his death), capture every OlympusMons you can, and never care to think of the consequences, before leaving [[KarmaHoudini without any consequence for her actions]]. The problem (aside from them being a massive {{Hypocrite}} with a super-flimsy AtLeastIAdmitIt justification) is that ''the circumstances are almost entirely different'': the player was [[{{Railroading}} railroaded]] into snagging Brendan's Rayquaza (and on the Heroic Route, you're doing it to stop a much larger threat), and have been snagging Shadow Pokemon to free them from their Shadow state (including the aforementioned Rayquaza); Zeta[=/=]Omicron ''deliberately'' transformed Gold's signature Pokemon into Shadow Pokemon for ''entirely'' selfish reasons, and has made absolutely no efforts to purify it (thus causing it to suffer, as Shadow Pokemon are TheHeartless). Because of all this, Zeta[=/=]Omicron come across not as [[VillainHasAPoint an unrepentant monster who nonetheless raises some serious moral questions]], but an unrepentant monster whose actions are made even worse by her almost [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] lack of self-awareness.]]

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* One notorious ''Literature/{{Redwall}}'' Rule34 fic featured Matthias and Cornflower, the supposed Messiah figure and his girlfriend, responding to overhearing someone being raped and tortured to death by randomly starting to have sex.

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* Emerald of ''Fanfic/ImHereToHelp'' can come across this way, especially if one interprets the fic as him being right.
** Various records throughout the fic hint at an extensive terrorist record in the future, which involve multiple attacks on Crystal Tokyo that put a lot of people's lives in danger. It doesn't help matters that the senshi of the future aren't shown having actually done much wrong and actually try to create a peaceful world where everyone's safe.
** The fact that it's implied that Emerald and his teammates chose to attack the senshi first makes them not come across as particularly admirable or make the senshi look very unlikable for choosing to send them away regardless of who was in the right about the purification.





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\n* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9166728/1/Purple-Jealousy Purple Jealousy]]'': We're meant to root for Raven and hope that she gets with Beast Boy. However, between Raven's irrational jealousy of Beast Boy's new girlfriend and her controlling, downright abusive attitude, it's hard to really feel for her. During one chapter where she questions and criticizes Beast Boy for finding his new significant other, she berates him and insults his choice in women; when he retorts that she too once fell in love with someone who manipulated her, Raven [[{{Hypocrite}} acts shocked and hurt]] and we're meant to be on her side, despite the fact that she instigated the entire confrontation. Raven comes across as more of a SpoiledBrat who is upset because her LoveInterest doesn't bow to her every whim. It's a story where you actually [[UnintentionallySympathetic feel more inclined]] toward the RomanticFalseLead.




* The ''Series/DoctorWho'' fanfic ''Fragments'' tries to be a FixFic for the Tenth Doctor's regeneration. Here 10 comes across as incredibly selfish, hating 11 just for being the next Doctor and wishing he could die so he was the last. And for this he gets Rose. [[KarmaHoudini Karma Houdinis]] together.
* The ''Webcomic/HetaliaAxisPowers'' Alternate Universe fanfic ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7715672/1/Not-Everything-Is-Silver-and-Gold Not Everything is Silver and Gold]]'' tries to paint Prussia/Gilbert as sympathetic because [[spoiler: he lost Ludwig, and can't get him back unless he finds a Pure One, a being that can find treasure easily, to Arthur, the guy who murdered the reader's parents]]. However, the fact that chapter 2 involves [[spoiler: Gilbert raping you instead of explaining what's going on, and why]], then constantly forcing himself onto you and basically behaving like an abusive boyfriend doesn't exactly win sympathy from the readers.
* Emerald of ''Fanfic/ImHereToHelp'' can come across this way, especially if one interprets the fic as him being right.
** Various records throughout the fic hint at an extensive terrorist record in the future, which involve multiple attacks on Crystal Tokyo that put a lot of people's lives in danger. It doesn't help matters that the senshi of the future aren't shown having actually done much wrong and actually try to create a peaceful world where everyone's safe.
** The fact that it's implied that Emerald and his teammates chose to attack the senshi first makes them not come across as particularly admirable or make the senshi look very unlikable for choosing to send them away regardless of who was in the right about the purification.
* Iris lands in this territory in ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' fic ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9550053/1/The-Fey-Family-Cousin The Fey Family Cousin]]''. Not only in this continuity she was watching Phoenix's trial and haven't lifted a finger to help him (in canon it was heavily implied that she didn't know about it until it was already over), but her motivation for not telling him the truth about herself mas moved from canon "IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy" to "I don't want to be hated" and from there to "just leave me alone" making her seem rather selfish.
* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9976928/9/The-Bloody-Ashikabi The Bloody Ashikabi]]'' tries to make Lily and James Potter out to be sympathetic in their introduction by revealing that [[DaddyHadAGoodReasonForAbandoningYou they had Harry sent away to protect him from Death Eaters wanting to avenge Voldemort's death]]. The problem is that not only did they never BOTHER checking up on Harry or see where Dumbledore left him (which should have ''clearly'' been their first priority to begin with), some reviewers pointed out that they had ''more'' children, making their point about Death Eater attacks void, as they are just putting more kids in danger. Not only does it fail to present them as ParentsAsPeople, but it makes them borderline incompetent. [[WhatTheHellHero Their anger at Dumbledore]] should have made them out to be MamaBear and PapaWolf respectably, but again, they never bothered checking to see if Harry was safe to begin with, meaning they had no right to be angry at the old man when they acted no better.
* ''Fanfic/ToukenDanshiAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix'': Harry and the ''VideoGame/ToukenRanbu'' cast are supposed to be seen as cool, confident and assertive, but in practice they are snobbish (openly look down on and insult Hogwarts and wizarding Britain), entitled (verbally attack and threaten Dumbledore into allowing preferential treatment for Harry), myopic (given that Harry is a prince of Japan, they never consider how their actions can affect foreign relations), annoying (assert their Japanese identity in tasteless ways, which include GratuitousJapanese towards people who don't speak the language) and violent (the swords often assault the British for the slightest perceived slights).
* One notorious ''Literature/{{Redwall}}'' Rule34 fic featured Matthias and Cornflower, the supposed Messiah figure and his girlfriend, responding to overhearing someone being raped and tortured to death by randomly starting to have sex.
* VideoGame/PokemonZetaAndOmicron has an interesting case of this with [[spoiler:Zeta[=/=]Omicron, your EvilTwin who corrupted and stole the signature [[OlympusMons Legendary]] Pokemon of the Gold, the protagonist of VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver, resulting in him becoming a FallenHero in an effort to get it back. They are clearly not supposed to be a sympathetic character, as they smugly rub their theft in Gold's face, show little concern when you snag said signature Pokemon from them, and acted out said theft ([[ForWantOfANail which ultimately resulted in every bad thing that happens in the game]]) [[EvilIsPetty solely so they could be the owner of every Pokemon in the world]]; despite this, it's clear that the creator intended for them to have a biting NotSoDifferentRemark / WhatTheHellPlayer moment, when ([[TimeyWimeyBall after going back in time and witnessing them stealing said Pokemon]]) they tell you that you're no different since you snag every Shadow Pokemon you find (including [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Brendan's]] Rayquaza, which indirectly causes his death), capture every OlympusMons you can, and never care to think of the consequences, before leaving [[KarmaHoudini without any consequence for her actions]]. The problem (aside from them being a massive {{Hypocrite}} with a super-flimsy AtLeastIAdmitIt justification) is that ''the circumstances are almost entirely different'': the player was [[{{Railroading}} railroaded]] into snagging Brendan's Rayquaza (and on the Heroic Route, you're doing it to stop a much larger threat), and have been snagging Shadow Pokemon to free them from their Shadow state (including the aforementioned Rayquaza); Zeta[=/=]Omicron ''deliberately'' transformed Gold's signature Pokemon into Shadow Pokemon for ''entirely'' selfish reasons, and has made absolutely no efforts to purify it (thus causing it to suffer, as Shadow Pokemon are TheHeartless). Because of all this, Zeta[=/=]Omicron come across not as [[VillainHasAPoint an unrepentant monster who nonetheless raises some serious moral questions]], but an unrepentant monster whose actions are made even worse by her almost [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] lack of self-awareness.]]
* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12598315/1/Secret-Love Secret Love]]'' is a [[WesternAnimation/TheLandBeforeTime Land Before Time]] fic where Ducky and Petrie fall in love and have to keep up the secret, learned by their friends, their mothers, and Littlefoot's grandparents. The fic tries to show Ducky and Petrie as being victims of prejudice (which is brought up quite a bit in the story), but those who do protect them are bound to be very angry with those who don't tolerate them (such as Mr. Threehorn, who got a RonTheDeathEater treatment and got turned into an intolerant interspecies-hating jerk). There's also a chapter when Hyp's father is chewing out Hyp for being a bully, but he seems [[SkewedPriorities more angry that his son is against Petrie and Ducky's secret relationship]] than he is about Hyp swatting Ducky into a tar pit.
* In the ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' fic ''[[http://archiveofourown.org/works/8823994/ Bring Me Home]]'', Adrien falls into this pretty heavily after his decision to shut Ladybug out of his life without saying goodbye after the defeat of Hawk Moth, and it unfortunately still applies even after the story's attempts to redeem him for it, thanks to a few unaddressed factors:
** First of all, regardless of Adrien's actions toward Ladybug, his overall situation is frankly not as bad as it's made out to be. We're told more than once that he "lost everything that day" after his father was unmasked as Hawk Moth, but the fact is that we see little evidence of him suffering socially or financially from this, since he willingly sold the mansion and his stake in his father's company the first chance he got, none of his school friends have been shown to treat him differently because of his father, and he isn't shown to have any regrets about leaving behind modelling to pursue his interest in teaching, nor does he seem to deny that he has a lot more freedom now than he ever had when Gabriel was running his life. For comparison, other noteworthy fanfic portrayals of Adrien in a similar position have had Gabriel being killed in the final confrontation and Adrien being taken in by {{resentful guardian}}s in another country (''Fanfic/BackToUs'') or had Adrien's career explicitly suffering because of his father's reputation and forcing him to leave Paris just to find designers willing to work with him (''Fanfic/RuinedWithYou''). It ''is'' eventually revealed that he's been suffering nightmares of the final battle, but that only excuses so much.
** While this isn't the first "post-victory separation and reunion" fic to involve Adrien consciously choosing to leave Ladybug behind without revealing his identity because of his father, it comes across as a lot more unforgivably callous here because, as Marinette points out, he always had the choice to come back to her. For comparison, ''Ruined With You''!Adrien made a snap-judgement to return his Miraculous to Master Fu without waiting for Ladybug, thus leaving her with no illusions about seeing her partner again, and he regretted it later but couldn't take it back so easily. ''Bring Me Home''!Adrien knows that Ladybug has been sitting on their rooftop meeting place every night for years, occasionally crying, but despite still having the ring locked in a safe in his bedroom, he still isn't willing to return to her. And while he is of course [[WhatTheHellHero/FanWorks called out on it]] after the reveal, it arguably becomes a case of EasilyForgiven due to subsequent events, thus pushing him further into this category.
** One of Adrien's stated excuses for not contacting her is that he honestly thought she was crying over some problem in her civilian life, because he didn't think that she'd miss Chat Noir this much if she only saw him as a friend. Even if any of this had still been correct, it doesn't make it any less callous that he wasn't willing to comfort her over whatever this civilian problem was, especially after he saw her crying for multiple years without getting better. It also raises troubling implications about how much Adrien values his other friends such as Nino.
** In one of Adrien and Marinette's scenes together before the reveal, he calls her out on the way he's been shutting people such as Alya and her parents out despite her obvious growing depression. Okay, it's a fair assessment (especially after we learn that Tikki herself had been encouraging Marinette to reveal herself and get support), but coming from him it's staggeringly hypocritical given what he's been doing to Ladybug so far. Particularly jarring is this line delivered without a hint of self-awareness: "You’re not the only one who’s hurting. My mother’s dead, my father’s in jail, I’ve pushed the only woman I’ve ever loved away, and yet you don’t see me going around making everyone pay for my sorrows." In fact, he outright states eventually that one of his reasons for abandoning her was not wanting to burden her with his family's problems. He apologises for the outburst later that night, but the hypocrisy goes unaddressed.
** As for why Adrien's "redemption" does little to turn any of this around, it comes shortly after the reveal and Marinette's justifiably furious reaction to it. When Tikki flies in his window and alerts him to Marinette getting in a car crash just outside the city, which no one else will be able to rescue her from in time, Adrien refuses to put his ring back on because he wants to avoid Plagg's anger at him for taking it off in the first place. Even when Tikki tells him that he's going to need Cataclysm to get her out of the car, he still insists on leaving the ring behind, once again putting the pain he wants to avoid above that which he knows the woman he loves is going through, and it takes a withering verbal beatdown from Tikki to change his mind. As such, what was almost an effective (if rather contrived) redemption falls flat because he fails to demonstrate that he's learned anything from the consequences of his mistakes. Nevertheless, it's accepted as one in-universe and he and Marinette have only gotten closer since.
** Marinette also comes across unsympathetic. She spent years refusing to open up to anyone about her problems, despite Tikki encouraging her to unmask herself if it would help and despite Alya, her parents and others being openly worried about her, and it seems that she never went to any effort to track down Chat Noir beyond sitting at their meeting place - if Ladybug had spoken to the Ladyblog about his disappearance, Adrien at least wouldn't have been able to fool himself about what she was crying about. Her excuse for this is that to unmask to anyone before Chat Noir would have felt like she was betraying him, but she continues to do this even after finding out he was Adrien (and had effectively betrayed her first), choosing to leave town rather than seek help from Alya or her parents (which gets her into the aforementioned car crash). What's more, after the rescue and her reconciliation with Adrien, she lies to them about the cause of her depression and why she walked out on Adrien, and there's little indication that she's planning to reveal to them despite the story having progressed two years since this scene. [[spoiler:Eventually Alya finds out herself but doesn't tell them, for some reason feeling guilty about not being there for her even though she had clearly ''tried'' to be.]]

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* The ''Series/DoctorWho'' fanfic ''Fragments'' tries to be a FixFic for the Tenth Doctor's regeneration. Here 10 comes across as incredibly selfish, hating 11 just for being the next Doctor and wishing he could die so he was the last. And for this he gets Rose. [[KarmaHoudini Karma Houdinis]] together.
* The ''Webcomic/HetaliaAxisPowers'' Alternate Universe fanfic ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7715672/1/Not-Everything-Is-Silver-and-Gold Not Everything is Silver and Gold]]'' tries to paint Prussia/Gilbert as sympathetic because [[spoiler: he lost Ludwig, and can't get him back unless he finds a Pure One, a being that can find treasure easily, to Arthur, the guy who murdered the reader's parents]]. However, the fact that chapter 2 involves [[spoiler: Gilbert raping you instead of explaining what's going on, and why]], then constantly forcing himself onto you and basically behaving like an abusive boyfriend doesn't exactly win sympathy from the readers.
* Emerald of ''Fanfic/ImHereToHelp'' can come across this way, especially if one interprets the fic as him being right.
** Various records throughout the fic hint at an extensive terrorist record in the future, which involve multiple attacks on Crystal Tokyo that put a lot of people's lives in danger. It doesn't help matters that the senshi of the future aren't shown having actually done much wrong and actually try to create a peaceful world where everyone's safe.
** The fact that it's implied that Emerald and his teammates chose to attack the senshi first makes them not come across as particularly admirable or make the senshi look very unlikable for choosing to send them away regardless of who was in the right about the purification.
* Iris lands in this territory in ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' fic ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9550053/1/The-Fey-Family-Cousin The Fey Family Cousin]]''. Not only in this continuity she was watching Phoenix's trial and haven't lifted a finger to help him (in canon it was heavily implied that she didn't know about it until it was already over), but her motivation for not telling him the truth about herself mas moved from canon "IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy" to "I don't want to be hated" and from there to "just leave me alone" making her seem rather selfish.
* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9976928/9/The-Bloody-Ashikabi The Bloody Ashikabi]]'' tries to make Lily and James Potter out to be sympathetic in their introduction by revealing that [[DaddyHadAGoodReasonForAbandoningYou they had Harry sent away to protect him from Death Eaters wanting to avenge Voldemort's death]]. The problem is that not only did they never BOTHER checking up on Harry or see where Dumbledore left him (which should have ''clearly'' been their first priority to begin with), some reviewers pointed out that they had ''more'' children, making their point about Death Eater attacks void, as they are just putting more kids in danger. Not only does it fail to present them as ParentsAsPeople, but it makes them borderline incompetent. [[WhatTheHellHero Their anger at Dumbledore]] should have made them out to be MamaBear and PapaWolf respectably, but again, they never bothered checking to see if Harry was safe to begin with, meaning they had no right to be angry at the old man when they acted no better.
* ''Fanfic/ToukenDanshiAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix'': Harry and the ''VideoGame/ToukenRanbu'' cast are supposed to be seen as cool, confident and assertive, but in practice they are snobbish (openly look down on and insult Hogwarts and wizarding Britain), entitled (verbally attack and threaten Dumbledore into allowing preferential treatment for Harry), myopic (given that Harry is a prince of Japan, they never consider how their actions can affect foreign relations), annoying (assert their Japanese identity in tasteless ways, which include GratuitousJapanese towards people who don't speak the language) and violent (the swords often assault the British for the slightest perceived slights).
* One notorious ''Literature/{{Redwall}}'' Rule34 fic featured Matthias and Cornflower, the supposed Messiah figure and his girlfriend, responding to overhearing someone being raped and tortured to death by randomly starting to have sex.
* VideoGame/PokemonZetaAndOmicron has an interesting case of this with [[spoiler:Zeta[=/=]Omicron, your EvilTwin who corrupted and stole the signature [[OlympusMons Legendary]] Pokemon of the Gold, the protagonist of VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver, resulting in him becoming a FallenHero in an effort to get it back. They are clearly not supposed to be a sympathetic character, as they smugly rub their theft in Gold's face, show little concern when you snag said signature Pokemon from them, and acted out said theft ([[ForWantOfANail which ultimately resulted in every bad thing that happens in the game]]) [[EvilIsPetty solely so they could be the owner of every Pokemon in the world]]; despite this, it's clear that the creator intended for them to have a biting NotSoDifferentRemark / WhatTheHellPlayer moment, when ([[TimeyWimeyBall after going back in time and witnessing them stealing said Pokemon]]) they tell you that you're no different since you snag every Shadow Pokemon you find (including [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Brendan's]] Rayquaza, which indirectly causes his death), capture every OlympusMons you can, and never care to think of the consequences, before leaving [[KarmaHoudini without any consequence for her actions]]. The problem (aside from them being a massive {{Hypocrite}} with a super-flimsy AtLeastIAdmitIt justification) is that ''the circumstances are almost entirely different'': the player was [[{{Railroading}} railroaded]] into snagging Brendan's Rayquaza (and on the Heroic Route, you're doing it to stop a much larger threat), and have been snagging Shadow Pokemon to free them from their Shadow state (including the aforementioned Rayquaza); Zeta[=/=]Omicron ''deliberately'' transformed Gold's signature Pokemon into Shadow Pokemon for ''entirely'' selfish reasons, and has made absolutely no efforts to purify it (thus causing it to suffer, as Shadow Pokemon are TheHeartless). Because of all this, Zeta[=/=]Omicron come across not as [[VillainHasAPoint an unrepentant monster who nonetheless raises some serious moral questions]], but an unrepentant monster whose actions are made even worse by her almost [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] lack of self-awareness.]]
* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12598315/1/Secret-Love Secret Love]]'' is a [[WesternAnimation/TheLandBeforeTime Land Before Time]] fic where Ducky and Petrie fall in love and have to keep up the secret, learned by their friends, their mothers, and Littlefoot's grandparents. The fic tries to show Ducky and Petrie as being victims of prejudice (which is brought up quite a bit in the story), but those who do protect them are bound to be very angry with those who don't tolerate them (such as Mr. Threehorn, who got a RonTheDeathEater treatment and got turned into an intolerant interspecies-hating jerk). There's also a chapter when Hyp's father is chewing out Hyp for being a bully, but he seems [[SkewedPriorities more angry that his son is against Petrie and Ducky's secret relationship]] than he is about Hyp swatting Ducky into a tar pit.
* In the ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' fic ''[[http://archiveofourown.org/works/8823994/ Bring Me Home]]'', Adrien falls into this pretty heavily after his decision to shut Ladybug out of his life without saying goodbye after the defeat of Hawk Moth, and it unfortunately still applies even after the story's attempts to redeem him for it, thanks to a few unaddressed factors:
** First of all, regardless of Adrien's actions toward Ladybug, his overall situation is frankly not as bad as it's made out to be. We're told more than once that he "lost everything that day" after his father was unmasked as Hawk Moth, but the fact is that we see little evidence of him suffering socially or financially from this, since he willingly sold the mansion and his stake in his father's company the first chance he got, none of his school friends have been shown to treat him differently because of his father, and he isn't shown to have any regrets about leaving behind modelling to pursue his interest in teaching, nor does he seem to deny that he has a lot more freedom now than he ever had when Gabriel was running his life. For comparison, other noteworthy fanfic portrayals of Adrien in a similar position have had Gabriel being killed in the final confrontation and Adrien being taken in by {{resentful guardian}}s in another country (''Fanfic/BackToUs'') or had Adrien's career explicitly suffering because of his father's reputation and forcing him to leave Paris just to find designers willing to work with him (''Fanfic/RuinedWithYou''). It ''is'' eventually revealed that he's been suffering nightmares of the final battle, but that only excuses so much.
** While this isn't the first "post-victory separation and reunion" fic to involve Adrien consciously choosing to leave Ladybug behind without revealing his identity because of his father, it comes across as a lot more unforgivably callous here because, as Marinette points out, he always had the choice to come back to her. For comparison, ''Ruined With You''!Adrien made a snap-judgement to return his Miraculous to Master Fu without waiting for Ladybug, thus leaving her with no illusions about seeing her partner again, and he regretted it later but couldn't take it back so easily. ''Bring Me Home''!Adrien knows that Ladybug has been sitting on their rooftop meeting place every night for years, occasionally crying, but despite still having the ring locked in a safe in his bedroom, he still isn't willing to return to her. And while he is of course [[WhatTheHellHero/FanWorks called out on it]] after the reveal, it arguably becomes a case of EasilyForgiven due to subsequent events, thus pushing him further into this category.
** One of Adrien's stated excuses for not contacting her is that he honestly thought she was crying over some problem in her civilian life, because he didn't think that she'd miss Chat Noir this much if she only saw him as a friend. Even if any of this had still been correct, it doesn't make it any less callous that he wasn't willing to comfort her over whatever this civilian problem was, especially after he saw her crying for multiple years without getting better. It also raises troubling implications about how much Adrien values his other friends such as Nino.
** In one of Adrien and Marinette's scenes together before the reveal, he calls her out on the way he's been shutting people such as Alya and her parents out despite her obvious growing depression. Okay, it's a fair assessment (especially after we learn that Tikki herself had been encouraging Marinette to reveal herself and get support), but coming from him it's staggeringly hypocritical given what he's been doing to Ladybug so far. Particularly jarring is this line delivered without a hint of self-awareness: "You’re not the only one who’s hurting. My mother’s dead, my father’s in jail, I’ve pushed the only woman I’ve ever loved away, and yet you don’t see me going around making everyone pay for my sorrows." In fact, he outright states eventually that one of his reasons for abandoning her was not wanting to burden her with his family's problems. He apologises for the outburst later that night, but the hypocrisy goes unaddressed.
** As for why Adrien's "redemption" does little to turn any of this around, it comes shortly after the reveal and Marinette's justifiably furious reaction to it. When Tikki flies in his window and alerts him to Marinette getting in a car crash just outside the city, which no one else will be able to rescue her from in time, Adrien refuses to put his ring back on because he wants to avoid Plagg's anger at him for taking it off in the first place. Even when Tikki tells him that he's going to need Cataclysm to get her out of the car, he still insists on leaving the ring behind, once again putting the pain he wants to avoid above that which he knows the woman he loves is going through, and it takes a withering verbal beatdown from Tikki to change his mind. As such, what was almost an effective (if rather contrived) redemption falls flat because he fails to demonstrate that he's learned anything from the consequences of his mistakes. Nevertheless, it's accepted as one in-universe and he and Marinette have only gotten closer since.
** Marinette also comes across unsympathetic. She spent years refusing to open up to anyone about her problems, despite Tikki encouraging her to unmask herself if it would help and despite Alya, her parents and others being openly worried about her, and it seems that she never went to any effort to track down Chat Noir beyond sitting at their meeting place - if Ladybug had spoken to the Ladyblog about his disappearance, Adrien at least wouldn't have been able to fool himself about what she was crying about. Her excuse for this is that to unmask to anyone before Chat Noir would have felt like she was betraying him, but she continues to do this even after finding out he was Adrien (and had effectively betrayed her first), choosing to leave town rather than seek help from Alya or her parents (which gets her into the aforementioned car crash). What's more, after the rescue and her reconciliation with Adrien, she lies to them about the cause of her depression and why she walked out on Adrien, and there's little indication that she's planning to reveal to them despite the story having progressed two years since this scene. [[spoiler:Eventually Alya finds out herself but doesn't tell them, for some reason feeling guilty about not being there for her even though she had clearly ''tried'' to be.]]








* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9166728/1/Purple-Jealousy Purple Jealousy]]'': We're meant to root for Raven and hope that she gets with Beast Boy. However, between Raven's irrational jealousy of Beast Boy's new girlfriend and her controlling, downright abusive attitude, it's hard to really feel for her. During one chapter where she questions and criticizes Beast Boy for finding his new significant other, she berates him and insults his choice in women; when he retorts that she too once fell in love with someone who manipulated her, Raven [[{{Hypocrite}} acts shocked and hurt]] and we're meant to be on her side, despite the fact that she instigated the entire confrontation. Raven comes across as more of a SpoiledBrat who is upset because her LoveInterest doesn't bow to her every whim. It's a story where you actually [[UnintentionallySympathetic feel more inclined]] toward the RomanticFalseLead.
* Izuku Midoriya in ''[[https://archiveofourown.org/series/1302101 All For Power]]'' loses his mother when Inko takes a bullet meant for him. Ordinarily, this would be heartbreaking, but Izuku willingly joined the League Of Villains twelve years prior in order to take over Japan and never once contacted Inko after he ran away. She died saving him because Izuku had befriended her under his new identity Imoku, roughly two years after he ran away. At Inko's funeral, Bakugou (who knows Izuku's true identity due to SomethingOnlyTheyWouldSay) calls out "Imoku" for letting her waste away and never once telling Inko he was still alive.

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* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9166728/1/Purple-Jealousy Purple Jealousy]]'': We're meant to root for Raven and hope that she gets with Beast Boy. However, between Raven's irrational jealousy of Beast Boy's new girlfriend and her controlling, downright abusive attitude, it's hard to really feel for her. During one chapter where she questions and criticizes Beast Boy for finding his new significant other, she berates him and insults his choice in women; when he retorts that she too once fell in love with someone who manipulated her, Raven [[{{Hypocrite}} acts shocked and hurt]] and we're meant to be on her side, despite the fact that she instigated the entire confrontation. Raven comes across as more of a SpoiledBrat who is upset because her LoveInterest doesn't bow to her every whim. It's a story where you actually [[UnintentionallySympathetic feel more inclined]] toward the RomanticFalseLead.
* Izuku Midoriya in ''[[https://archiveofourown.org/series/1302101 All For Power]]'' loses his mother when Inko takes a bullet meant for him. Ordinarily, this would be heartbreaking, but Izuku willingly joined the League Of Villains twelve years prior in order to take over Japan and never once contacted Inko after he ran away. She died saving him because Izuku had befriended her under his new identity Imoku, roughly two years after he ran away. At Inko's funeral, Bakugou (who knows Izuku's true identity due to SomethingOnlyTheyWouldSay) calls out "Imoku" for letting her waste away and never once telling Inko he was still alive.

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* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/4854138/1/After-the-Metarex-Tails-Story After]][[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5302733/1/After-the-Metarex-Tails-and-Cosmo-s-Story The Metarex]]'': While the readers are meant to see Amadeus and Rosemary Prower as well meaning yet strict parents, instead they come off as stuck up and hypocritical [=SJWs=], especially Rosemary considering that she behaves nastily towards Sonic just because he tries to get Tails to help him fight with Eggman and hating Knuckles and Amy just because they have anger problems and not trying to see that they are [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold good people at heart.]] While her forbeying Cosmo from dating Tails was meant to be seen as JerkassHasAPoint given that Cosmo couldn't prove that she had returned from the dead, it instead comes off as [[FantasticRacism racist]] considering that one of her reasons was because she was an alien.
* ''Fanfic/FrigidWindsAndBurningHearts'' claims to be even-handed when it comes to Princess Luna vs. Princess Celestia, but swiftly comes down on Luna's side. Even as it reveals she was perfectly willing to have all of Equestria collapse into riots and civil war if it meant she could leave. Even as she bullies, lies, and manipulates every other pony she meets to have her way.

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* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/4854138/1/After-the-Metarex-Tails-Story After]][[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5302733/1/After-the-Metarex-Tails-and-Cosmo-s-Story The Metarex]]'': ''Fanfic/InfinityTrainBlossomingTrail'':
**
While Chloe's reasons for not expressing her own interests and hobbies are understandable and sympathetic -- namely that she was [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer bullied for her differences]] -- the fact that she stonewalled efforts to get to know her better makes her subsequent complaints that nobody ever bothered to ''try'' seem somewhat self-defeating. It is very easy to see her as being at fault for several key aspects of the [[PoorCommunicationKills poor communication]] that drives the story. Initially, the narrative is heavily slanted in her side, defending her anger at Goh, Ash, her father and others even when she's clearly in the wrong. This eventually leads into the series [[DeconstructionFic heavily deconstructing]] the very concept of an AccusationFic, delving into the {{Double Standard}}s on all sides.
** While Ash is normally sympathetic, even during periods where the narrative is slanted against him, more than a few
readers are meant to see Amadeus raise their eyebrows during his argument with Delia. Ash is highly aggressive during this sequence, calling his mother 'petty' and Rosemary Prower as well meaning yet strict parents, instead they [[NotSoDifferentRemark comparing her to Parker at his worst]]. Chloe notably displays a similar attitude without being called out for it right away, and narrative beats that underscore how Delia's insistence that he's [[EasilyForgiven forgiving too easily]] make him come off as stuck up and hypocritical [=SJWs=], especially Rosemary considering that she behaves nastily towards Sonic just because worse in the argument than he tries to get Tails to help him fight with Eggman and hating Knuckles and Amy just because they have anger problems and not trying to see that they are [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold good people at heart.]] While her forbeying Cosmo from dating Tails was meant to be.
** Parker in his courtroom scene is supposed
to be seen as JerkassHasAPoint given that Cosmo couldn't prove that she had returned from a poor kid who's fallen off the dead, it instead comes off as [[FantasticRacism racist]] considering that one deep end because of her reasons was because she was an alien.
* ''Fanfic/FrigidWindsAndBurningHearts'' claims
beyond his control, but there are a lot of reasons why this is a herculean task: first of all, the ramifications of his actions are ''far too big'' to make him seem sympathetic, a sentiment not helped by him showing the same condescending, "I'm better than you" attitude of snapping at people that he had before, making it look like he learned ''nothing'' from it. And finally, he just can't help putting his foot in his mouth, going on a massive MotiveRant against everybody in the courtroom that, given everything else that's been shown of him, seems more like a spoiled rotten kid whining at the world how everything is their fault while ignoring how he's done much more, ''potentially irreparable'' damage compared to them.
** Mallow's supposed
to be even-handed when it comes a sympathetic character whose snapping at her friends is supposed to Princess Luna vs. Princess Celestia, be cathartic, but swiftly comes down on Luna's side. Even as the problem is that ''she'' kept the existence of the Train a secret for ''a completely arbitrary reason'', so it reveals feels less like a cathartic moment and more like something she was perfectly willing to have all of Equestria collapse into riots and civil war if it meant she could leave. Even as she bullies, lies, and manipulates every other pony she meets to have her way.brought upon herself.

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* Despite WordOfGod trying to avert this, a number of HeroAntagonist characters in the SuperFic ''Fanfic/{{Dominoes}}'' have fallen into this category at various points:
** The Irregulars, a DeconstructedCharacterArchetype of the [[Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse Teen Titans]]. All of the characters go through a lot of problems and most appear to have good intentions somewhere along the line, but the disproportionate laying of the burden of consequences at the feet of their mentor's son, Shinichi, someone they've deliberately deprived of the knowledge, power, and ability necessary to consent or protest this treatment, lends itself to an interpretation of the Irregulars as extremely exploitative. It doesn't help that the power and privilege that enables them to (at least passively) contribute to the rather extreme psychological abuse inflicted upon Shinichi also shields them from most of the consequences for their actions, which instead seems to give some readers the impression that these characters deserve ''more'' consequences rather than sympathy. This can, depending on the reader, make the Irregulars' various grievances come across as self-centered and entitled rather than sympathetically morally conflicted. This sentiment seems to overall be changing by the end of Part 1, [[spoiler:appearing to correlate with the shattering of Part 1's status quo]].
** Kazuha got hit with this particularly hard in chapter 11. While Aoko, Hattori, Ran, and Hakuba each have their own developed emotional hardships and consequences, [[BrokenBase debatably sympathetic though they are]], Kazuha has only had one big character moment so far, and it's not a pleasant one. Due to her past with Hattori and his secrets, she is the Irregular with the most similarities between her relationship with Hattori and Shinichi's relationship with Ran, so she feels she has the right to judge Shinichi[[spoiler:'s reaction to learning Ran's secrets. In her one perspective scene, she responds to Shinichi dumping Ran by declaring that she is "going to kill someone" and that she'll make Shinichi wish he was never born, before writing off Shinichi's abuse pejoratively as "daddy issues" and trying to comfort Ran by saying that Shinichi will "get over it." It's worth noting that, in this moment, Kazuha is also simultaneously reacting to the emotional strain of an extremely dire and stressful primary conflict and thus was probably not thinking straight.]] WordOfGod has said this reader reaction in particular is one of the ones that really took them by surprise, because [[spoiler:badmouthing a friend's ex after said friend is dumped in order to comfort said friend is a pretty normal thing that the writer themself has experienced. Unfortunately, the context of the breakup means the scene reads like Kazuha's enabling Ran's terrible treatment of her now-ex boyfriend and, worse, blaming the victim, which instead made Kazuha's only stand out scene in Part 1 come off as a serious KickTheDog moment.]]
** Yuusaku ''was'' intended to be a {{Jerkass}}; he ''wasn't'' intended to be TheScrappy.

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* ''Fanfic/TheEndOfEnds'': Beast Boy is this, [[spoiler:even before he becomes Count Logan and starts destroying entire worlds]]. He is supposed to be seen as a guy tragically separated from his true love and betrayed by his friends; but his whining over Terra wanting a normal life, even one away from him, easily qualifies as {{Wangst}}, he essentially stalks Terra, and he resigns from the Titans because, after they [[WhatTheHellHero call him out on beating up Terra's friends]], he's convinced none of them like or appreciate him. [[spoiler:Meanwhile, Count Logan being a [[VideoGame/SuperPaperMario Count Bleck]] {{Expy}} means he is also intended as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, but this is undermined by his sheer AdaptationalVillainy by comparison. Bleck carried a heavier implication of [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity corruption]], underwent a [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone crisis]] from [[MoralityChain Tippi]]'s mere presence, actually [[DeathSeeker wanted the good guys to stop him]] and [[GracefulLoser was pleased when they did]], and then helped fix everything via HeroicSacrifice. Logan's FaceHeelTurn comes across as more voluntary, he actively invokes KickTheMoralityPet on Terra, and he's ultimately a stubborn and {{Wangst}}y SoreLoser.]]
* Despite Cori Falls going out of her way to make them sympathetic [[TheWoobie woobies]], her versions of Jessie, James, and Meowth become ''very'' unsympathetic as her stories go on, not only in their [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown brutal]] [[DisproportionateRetribution treatment]] of characters like Ash, but in their self-righteous behavior, [[{{Wangst}} constant whining about their bad lot in life]], and [[NeverMyFault blaming their (usually self-inflicted) problems on anyone but themselves]].
* [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Princess Celestia]] in ''Fanfic/{{Chains}}''. Even though it's made clear she didn't enjoy turning the humans living in Equus into [[SlaveRace slaves for the ponies]] and she is [[OutDamnedSpot genuinely haunted by her decision]], the fact that [[TheReveal the flashbacks explaining why humanity was enslaved]] in Chapter 15 made Celestia look like she was carrying a massive IdiotBall, her weak attempts at justification to a very angered Luna, as well as the fact that she refuses to just overturn slavery overnight have made her come off like a weak and incompetent leader easily manipulated by her {{Evil Chancellor}}s to many a reader. The fact that it took protests from pegasus abolitionists to outlaw the practice of human gladiatorial rings, as well as the fact that a great many slaves ''are'' being mistreated (Twilight and Applejack are very clearly exceptions rather than the rule), yet Celestia doesn't seem to have done much to improve those conditions doesn't exactly help her case either. The author eventually had to pull an AuthorsSavingThrow of sorts with the reveal that Celestia [[spoiler:funds anti-slavery movements and is playing the LongGame]], and with Celestia herself feeling she can never truly atone for what she did, but for some readers it just didn't cut it.

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* ''Fanfic/TheEndOfEnds'': Beast Boy is this, [[spoiler:even before he becomes Count Logan and starts destroying entire worlds]]. He is supposed to be seen as a guy tragically separated from his true love and betrayed by his friends; but his whining over Terra wanting a normal life, even one away from him, easily qualifies as {{Wangst}}, he essentially stalks Terra, and he resigns from the Titans because, after they [[WhatTheHellHero call him out on beating up Terra's friends]], he's convinced none of them like or appreciate him. [[spoiler:Meanwhile, Count Logan being a [[VideoGame/SuperPaperMario Count Bleck]] {{Expy}} means he is also intended as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, but this is undermined by his sheer AdaptationalVillainy by comparison. Bleck carried a heavier implication of [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity corruption]], underwent a [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone crisis]] from [[MoralityChain Tippi]]'s mere presence, actually [[DeathSeeker wanted the good guys to stop him]] and [[GracefulLoser was pleased when they did]], and then helped fix everything via HeroicSacrifice. Logan's FaceHeelTurn comes across as more voluntary, he actively invokes KickTheMoralityPet on Terra, and he's ultimately a stubborn and {{Wangst}}y SoreLoser.]]
* Despite Cori Falls going out of her way to make them sympathetic [[TheWoobie woobies]], her versions of Jessie, James, and Meowth become ''very'' unsympathetic as her stories go on, not only in their [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown brutal]] [[DisproportionateRetribution treatment]] of characters like Ash, but in their self-righteous behavior, [[{{Wangst}} constant whining about their bad lot in life]], and [[NeverMyFault blaming their (usually self-inflicted) problems on anyone but themselves]].
* [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic
Princess Celestia]] Celestia in ''Fanfic/{{Chains}}''. Even though it's made clear she didn't enjoy turning the humans living in Equus into [[SlaveRace slaves for the ponies]] and she is [[OutDamnedSpot genuinely haunted by her decision]], the fact that [[TheReveal the flashbacks explaining why humanity was enslaved]] in Chapter 15 made Celestia look like she was carrying a massive IdiotBall, her weak attempts at justification to a very angered Luna, as well as the fact that she refuses to just overturn slavery overnight have made her come off like a weak and incompetent leader easily manipulated by her {{Evil Chancellor}}s to many a reader. The fact that it took protests from pegasus abolitionists to outlaw the practice of human gladiatorial rings, as well as the fact that a great many slaves ''are'' being mistreated (Twilight and Applejack are very clearly exceptions rather than the rule), yet Celestia doesn't seem to have done much to improve those conditions doesn't exactly help her case either. The author eventually had to pull an AuthorsSavingThrow of sorts with the reveal that Celestia [[spoiler:funds anti-slavery movements and is playing the LongGame]], and with Celestia herself feeling she can never truly atone for what she did, but for some readers it just didn't cut it.



* ''Fanfic/FrigidWindsAndBurningHearts'' claims to be even-handed when it comes to Princess Luna vs. Princess Celestia, but swiftly comes down on Luna's side. Even as it reveals she was perfectly willing to have all of Equestria collapse into riots and civil war if it meant she could leave. Even as she bullies, lies, and manipulates every other pony she meets to have her way.




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* Despite Cori Falls going out of her way to make them sympathetic [[TheWoobie woobies]], her versions of Jessie, James, and Meowth become ''very'' unsympathetic as her stories go on, not only in their [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown brutal]] [[DisproportionateRetribution treatment]] of characters like Ash, but in their self-righteous behavior, [[{{Wangst}} constant whining about their bad lot in life]], and [[NeverMyFault blaming their (usually self-inflicted) problems on anyone but themselves]].

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* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/4854138/1/After-the-Metarex-Tails-Story After]][[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5302733/1/After-the-Metarex-Tails-and-Cosmo-s-Story The Metarex]]'': While the readers are meant to see Amadeus and Rosemary Prower as well meaning yet strict parents, instead they come off as stuck up and hypocritical [=SJWs=], especially Rosemary considering that she behaves nastily towards Sonic just because he tries to get Tails to help him fight with Eggman and hating Knuckles and Amy just because they have anger problems and not trying to see that they are [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold good people at heart.]] While her forbeying Cosmo from dating Tails was meant to be seen as JerkassHasAPoint given that Cosmo couldn't prove that she had returned from the dead, it instead comes off as [[FantasticRacism racist]] considering that one of her reasons was because she was an alien.

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* ''Fanfic/TheEndOfEnds'': Beast Boy is this, [[spoiler:even before he becomes Count Logan and starts destroying entire worlds]]. He is supposed to be seen as a guy tragically separated from his true love and betrayed by his friends; but his whining over Terra wanting a normal life, even one away from him, easily qualifies as {{Wangst}}, he essentially stalks Terra, and he resigns from the Titans because, after they [[WhatTheHellHero call him out on beating up Terra's friends]], he's convinced none of them like or appreciate him. [[spoiler:Meanwhile, Count Logan being a [[VideoGame/SuperPaperMario Count Bleck]] {{Expy}} means he is also intended as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, but this is undermined by his sheer AdaptationalVillainy by comparison. Bleck carried a heavier implication of [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity corruption]], underwent a [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone crisis]] from [[MoralityChain Tippi]]'s mere presence, actually [[DeathSeeker wanted the good guys to stop him]] and [[GracefulLoser was pleased when they did]], and then helped fix everything via HeroicSacrifice. Logan's FaceHeelTurn comes across as more voluntary, he actively invokes KickTheMoralityPet on Terra, and he's ultimately a stubborn and {{Wangst}}y SoreLoser.]]


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*** One particularly egregious issue is his hypocrisy: he mocks Kiba and Gasper's respective [[FreudianExcuse Freudian Excuses]] and forces them to confront their inner demons while [[NoSympathy obnoxiously telling them to get over it]]; and yet he staunchly clings to his own FreudianExcuse, [[ItsAllAboutMe demanding sympathy]] and various forms of compensation [[EntitledBastard when he's really owed nothing at all]], while viciously lashing out at ''anyone'' who tries to help him get over his own issues, or trying to turn it around on them without actually answering the criticism.
* Despite WordOfGod trying to avert this, a number of HeroAntagonist characters in the ''Manga/CaseClosed'' [[DeconstructionFic Deconstruction]] SuperFic ''Fanfic/{{Dominoes}}'' have fallen into this category at various points:
** The Irregulars, a DeconstructedCharacterArchetype of the [[Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse Teen Titans]]. All of the characters go through a lot of problems and most appear to have good intentions somewhere along the line, but the disproportionate laying of the burden of consequences at the feet of their mentor's son, Shinichi, someone they've deliberately deprived of the knowledge, power, and ability necessary to consent or protest this treatment, lends itself to an interpretation of the Irregulars as extremely exploitative. It doesn't help that the power and privilege that enables them to (at least passively) contribute to the rather extreme psychological abuse inflicted upon Shinichi also shields them from most of the consequences for their actions, which instead seems to give some readers the impression that these characters deserve ''more'' consequences rather than sympathy. This can, depending on the reader, make the Irregulars' various grievances come across as self-centered and entitled rather than sympathetically morally conflicted. This sentiment seems to overall be changing by the end of Part 1, [[spoiler:appearing to correlate with the shattering of Part 1's status quo]].
** Kazuha got hit with this particularly hard in chapter 11. While Aoko, Hattori, Ran, and Hakuba each have their own developed emotional hardships and consequences, [[BrokenBase debatably sympathetic though they are]], Kazuha has only had one big character moment so far, and it's not a pleasant one. Due to her past with Hattori and his secrets, she is the Irregular with the most similarities between her relationship with Hattori and Shinichi's relationship with Ran, so she feels she has the right to judge Shinichi[[spoiler:'s reaction to learning Ran's secrets. In her one perspective scene, she responds to Shinichi dumping Ran by declaring that she is "going to kill someone" and that she'll make Shinichi wish he was never born, before writing off Shinichi's abuse pejoratively as "daddy issues" and trying to comfort Ran by saying that Shinichi will "get over it." It's worth noting that, in this moment, Kazuha is also simultaneously reacting to the emotional strain of an extremely dire and stressful primary conflict and thus was probably not thinking straight.]] WordOfGod has said this reader reaction in particular is one of the ones that really took them by surprise, because [[spoiler:badmouthing a friend's ex after said friend is dumped in order to comfort said friend is a pretty normal thing that the writer themself has experienced. Unfortunately, the context of the breakup means the scene reads like Kazuha's enabling Ran's terrible treatment of her now-ex boyfriend and, worse, blaming the victim, which instead made Kazuha's only stand out scene in Part 1 come off as a serious KickTheDog moment.]]
** Yuusaku ''was'' intended to be a {{Jerkass}}; he ''wasn't'' intended to be TheScrappy.
* ''Fanfic/InfinityTrainBlossomingTrail'':
** While Chloe's reasons for not expressing her own interests and hobbies are comprehendible and worthy of some sympathy, it can be a bit hard to really be upset at others for not offering up things she was interested in if she kept her interests to a narrow circle and otherwise made it impossible for others to know about them. It is very easy to see a lot of the PoorCommunicationKills aspects of the story, particularly in her issues with Ash and to a lesser extent Professor Cerise, as being quite squarely on Chloe's shoulders even if the narrative would paint a picture that is more evenly split. The author even admits that it's hard to make the arguments on both sides equal without bringing up the DoubleStandard on Chloe's side. And worse, even with issues where the guilt is evenly split, such as with Goh, the narrative takes her side so often, even in cases where she is clearly in the wrong, that Chloe also ends up being guilty of a DoubleStandard.
** While Ash is normally sympathetic even when the narrative is against him more than a few raise their eyebrows at his argument with Delia where his level of aggression, use of words like 'petty', comparing his mother to Parker despite narrative demonstrations to the contrary, and narrative beats that go against his viewpoint like Chloe displaying the same attitude in chapter without being called out for it and demonstrations that Delia's arguments about him forgiving too easily aren't wrong make him come off as the worse for the argument despite the writing's tone.
** Parker in his courtroom scene is supposed to be seen as a poor kid who's fallen off the deep end because of reasons beyond his control, but there are a lot of reasons why this is a herculean task: first of all, the ramifications of his actions are ''far too big'' to make him seem sympathetic, a sentiment not helped by him showing the same condescending, "I'm better than you" attitude of snapping at people that he had before, making it look like he learned ''nothing'' from it. And finally, he just can't help putting his foot in his mouth, going on a massive MotiveRant against everybody in the courtroom that, given everything else that's been shown of him, seems more like a spoiled rotten kid whining at the world how everything is their fault while ignoring how he's done much more, ''potentially irreparable'' damage compared to them.
** Mallow's supposed to be a sympathetic character whose snapping at her friends is supposed to be cathartic, but the problem is that ''she'' kept the existence of the Train a secret for ''a completely arbitrary reason'', so it feels less like a cathartic moment and more like something she brought upon herself.

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*** One particularly egregious issue is his hypocrisy: he mocks Kiba and Gasper's respective [[FreudianExcuse Freudian Excuses]] and forces them to confront their inner demons while [[NoSympathy obnoxiously telling them to get over it]]; and yet he staunchly clings to his own FreudianExcuse, [[ItsAllAboutMe demanding sympathy]] and various forms of compensation [[EntitledBastard when he's really owed nothing at all]], while viciously lashing out at ''anyone'' who tries to help him get over his own issues, or trying to turn it around on them without actually answering the criticism.
* Despite WordOfGod trying to avert this, a number of HeroAntagonist characters in the ''Manga/CaseClosed'' [[DeconstructionFic Deconstruction]] SuperFic ''Fanfic/{{Dominoes}}'' have fallen into this category at various points:
** The Irregulars, a DeconstructedCharacterArchetype of the [[Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse Teen Titans]]. All of the characters go through a lot of problems and most appear to have good intentions somewhere along the line, but the disproportionate laying of the burden of consequences at the feet of their mentor's son, Shinichi, someone they've deliberately deprived of the knowledge, power, and ability necessary to consent or protest this treatment, lends itself to an interpretation of the Irregulars as extremely exploitative. It doesn't help that the power and privilege that enables them to (at least passively) contribute to the rather extreme psychological abuse inflicted upon Shinichi also shields them from most of the consequences for their actions, which instead seems to give some readers the impression that these characters deserve ''more'' consequences rather than sympathy. This can, depending on the reader, make the Irregulars' various grievances come across as self-centered and entitled rather than sympathetically morally conflicted. This sentiment seems to overall be changing by the end of Part 1, [[spoiler:appearing to correlate with the shattering of Part 1's status quo]].
** Kazuha got hit with this particularly hard in chapter 11. While Aoko, Hattori, Ran, and Hakuba each have their own developed emotional hardships and consequences, [[BrokenBase debatably sympathetic though they are]], Kazuha has only had one big character moment so far, and it's not a pleasant one. Due to her past with Hattori and his secrets, she is the Irregular with the most similarities between her relationship with Hattori and Shinichi's relationship with Ran, so she feels she has the right to judge Shinichi[[spoiler:'s reaction to learning Ran's secrets. In her one perspective scene, she responds to Shinichi dumping Ran by declaring that she is "going to kill someone" and that she'll make Shinichi wish he was never born, before writing off Shinichi's abuse pejoratively as "daddy issues" and trying to comfort Ran by saying that Shinichi will "get over it." It's worth noting that, in this moment, Kazuha is also simultaneously reacting to the emotional strain of an extremely dire and stressful primary conflict and thus was probably not thinking straight.]] WordOfGod has said this reader reaction in particular is one of the ones that really took them by surprise, because [[spoiler:badmouthing a friend's ex after said friend is dumped in order to comfort said friend is a pretty normal thing that the writer themself has experienced. Unfortunately, the context of the breakup means the scene reads like Kazuha's enabling Ran's terrible treatment of her now-ex boyfriend and, worse, blaming the victim, which instead made Kazuha's only stand out scene in Part 1 come off as a serious KickTheDog moment.]]
** Yuusaku ''was'' intended to be a {{Jerkass}}; he ''wasn't'' intended to be TheScrappy.
* ''Fanfic/InfinityTrainBlossomingTrail'':
** While Chloe's reasons for not expressing her own interests and hobbies are comprehendible and worthy of some sympathy, it can be a bit hard to really be upset at others for not offering up things she was interested in if she kept her interests to a narrow circle and otherwise made it impossible for others to know about them. It is very easy to see a lot of the PoorCommunicationKills aspects of the story, particularly in her issues with Ash and to a lesser extent Professor Cerise, as being quite squarely on Chloe's shoulders even if the narrative would paint a picture that is more evenly split. The author even admits that it's hard to make the arguments on both sides equal without bringing up the DoubleStandard on Chloe's side. And worse, even with issues where the guilt is evenly split, such as with Goh, the narrative takes her side so often, even in cases where she is clearly in the wrong, that Chloe also ends up being guilty of a DoubleStandard.
** While Ash is normally sympathetic even when the narrative is against him more than a few raise their eyebrows at his argument with Delia where his level of aggression, use of words like 'petty', comparing his mother to Parker despite narrative demonstrations to the contrary, and narrative beats that go against his viewpoint like Chloe displaying the same attitude in chapter without being called out for it and demonstrations that Delia's arguments about him forgiving too easily aren't wrong make him come off as the worse for the argument despite the writing's tone.
** Parker in his courtroom scene is supposed to be seen as a poor kid who's fallen off the deep end because of reasons beyond his control, but there are a lot of reasons why this is a herculean task: first of all, the ramifications of his actions are ''far too big'' to make him seem sympathetic, a sentiment not helped by him showing the same condescending, "I'm better than you" attitude of snapping at people that he had before, making it look like he learned ''nothing'' from it. And finally, he just can't help putting his foot in his mouth, going on a massive MotiveRant against everybody in the courtroom that, given everything else that's been shown of him, seems more like a spoiled rotten kid whining at the world how everything is their fault while ignoring how he's done much more, ''potentially irreparable'' damage compared to them.
** Mallow's supposed to be a sympathetic character whose snapping at her friends is supposed to be cathartic, but the problem is that ''she'' kept the existence of the Train a secret for ''a completely arbitrary reason'', so it feels less like a cathartic moment and more like something she brought upon herself.
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** Yuusaku ''was'' intended to be a {{Jerkass}}; he ''wasn't'' intended to be TheScrappy.

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** Yuusaku ''was'' intended to be a {{Jerkass}}; he ''wasn't'' intended to be TheScrappy.TheScrappy.
* ''Fanfic/InfinityTrainBlossomingTrail'':
** While Chloe's reasons for not expressing her own interests and hobbies are comprehendible and worthy of some sympathy, it can be a bit hard to really be upset at others for not offering up things she was interested in if she kept her interests to a narrow circle and otherwise made it impossible for others to know about them. It is very easy to see a lot of the PoorCommunicationKills aspects of the story, particularly in her issues with Ash and to a lesser extent Professor Cerise, as being quite squarely on Chloe's shoulders even if the narrative would paint a picture that is more evenly split. The author even admits that it's hard to make the arguments on both sides equal without bringing up the DoubleStandard on Chloe's side. And worse, even with issues where the guilt is evenly split, such as with Goh, the narrative takes her side so often, even in cases where she is clearly in the wrong, that Chloe also ends up being guilty of a DoubleStandard.
** While Ash is normally sympathetic even when the narrative is against him more than a few raise their eyebrows at his argument with Delia where his level of aggression, use of words like 'petty', comparing his mother to Parker despite narrative demonstrations to the contrary, and narrative beats that go against his viewpoint like Chloe displaying the same attitude in chapter without being called out for it and demonstrations that Delia's arguments about him forgiving too easily aren't wrong make him come off as the worse for the argument despite the writing's tone.
** Parker in his courtroom scene is supposed to be seen as a poor kid who's fallen off the deep end because of reasons beyond his control, but there are a lot of reasons why this is a herculean task: first of all, the ramifications of his actions are ''far too big'' to make him seem sympathetic, a sentiment not helped by him showing the same condescending, "I'm better than you" attitude of snapping at people that he had before, making it look like he learned ''nothing'' from it. And finally, he just can't help putting his foot in his mouth, going on a massive MotiveRant against everybody in the courtroom that, given everything else that's been shown of him, seems more like a spoiled rotten kid whining at the world how everything is their fault while ignoring how he's done much more, ''potentially irreparable'' damage compared to them.
** Mallow's supposed to be a sympathetic character whose snapping at her friends is supposed to be cathartic, but the problem is that ''she'' kept the existence of the Train a secret for ''a completely arbitrary reason'', so it feels less like a cathartic moment and more like something she brought upon herself.
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* VideoGame/PokemonZetaAndOmicron has an interesting case of this with [[spoiler:Zeta[=/=]Omicron, your EvilTwin who corrupted and stole the signature [[OlympusMons Legendary]] Pokemon of the Gold, the protagonist of VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver, resulting in him becoming a FallenHero in an effort to get it back. They are clearly not supposed to be a sympathetic character, as they smugly rub their theft in Gold's face, show little concern when you snag said signature Pokemon from them, and acted out said theft ([[ForWantOfANail which ultimately resulted in every bad thing that happens in the game]]) [[EvilIsPetty solely so they could be the owner of every Pokemon in the world]]; despite this, it's clear that the creator intended for them to have a biting NotSoDifferentRemark / WhatTheHellPlayer moment, when ([[TimeyWimeyBall after going back in time and witnessing them stealing said Pokemon]]) they tell you that you're no different since you snag every Shadow Pokemon you find (including [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Brendan's]] Rayquaza, which indirectly causes his death), capture every OlympusMons you can, and never care to think of the consequences, before leaving [[KarmaHoudini without any consequence for her actions]]. The problem (aside from them being a massive {{Hypocrite}} with a super-flimsy AtLeastIAdmitIt justification) is that ''[[SemanticSlipperySlopeFallacy the circumstances are almost entirely different]]'': the player was [[{{Railroading}} railroaded]] into snagging Brendan's Rayquaza (and on the Heroic Route, you're doing it to stop a much larger threat), and have been snagging Shadow Pokemon to free them from their Shadow state (including the aforementioned Rayquaza); Zeta[=/=]Omicron ''deliberately'' transformed Gold's signature Pokemon into Shadow Pokemon for ''entirely'' selfish reasons, and has made absolutely no efforts to purify it (thus causing it to suffer, as Shadow Pokemon are TheHeartless). Because of all this, Zeta[=/=]Omicron come across not as [[VillainHasAPoint an unrepentant monster who nonetheless raises some serious moral questions]], but an unrepentant monster whose actions are made even worse by her almost [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] lack of self-awareness.]]

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* VideoGame/PokemonZetaAndOmicron has an interesting case of this with [[spoiler:Zeta[=/=]Omicron, your EvilTwin who corrupted and stole the signature [[OlympusMons Legendary]] Pokemon of the Gold, the protagonist of VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver, resulting in him becoming a FallenHero in an effort to get it back. They are clearly not supposed to be a sympathetic character, as they smugly rub their theft in Gold's face, show little concern when you snag said signature Pokemon from them, and acted out said theft ([[ForWantOfANail which ultimately resulted in every bad thing that happens in the game]]) [[EvilIsPetty solely so they could be the owner of every Pokemon in the world]]; despite this, it's clear that the creator intended for them to have a biting NotSoDifferentRemark / WhatTheHellPlayer moment, when ([[TimeyWimeyBall after going back in time and witnessing them stealing said Pokemon]]) they tell you that you're no different since you snag every Shadow Pokemon you find (including [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Brendan's]] Rayquaza, which indirectly causes his death), capture every OlympusMons you can, and never care to think of the consequences, before leaving [[KarmaHoudini without any consequence for her actions]]. The problem (aside from them being a massive {{Hypocrite}} with a super-flimsy AtLeastIAdmitIt justification) is that ''[[SemanticSlipperySlopeFallacy the ''the circumstances are almost entirely different]]'': different'': the player was [[{{Railroading}} railroaded]] into snagging Brendan's Rayquaza (and on the Heroic Route, you're doing it to stop a much larger threat), and have been snagging Shadow Pokemon to free them from their Shadow state (including the aforementioned Rayquaza); Zeta[=/=]Omicron ''deliberately'' transformed Gold's signature Pokemon into Shadow Pokemon for ''entirely'' selfish reasons, and has made absolutely no efforts to purify it (thus causing it to suffer, as Shadow Pokemon are TheHeartless). Because of all this, Zeta[=/=]Omicron come across not as [[VillainHasAPoint an unrepentant monster who nonetheless raises some serious moral questions]], but an unrepentant monster whose actions are made even worse by her almost [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] lack of self-awareness.]]
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* Despite WordOfGod trying to avert this, a number of HeroAntagonist characters in the ''Manga/DetectiveConan'' [[DeconstructionFic Deconstruction]] SuperFic ''Fanfic/{{Dominoes}}'' have fallen into this category at various points:

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* Despite WordOfGod trying to avert this, a number of HeroAntagonist characters in the ''Manga/DetectiveConan'' ''Manga/CaseClosed'' [[DeconstructionFic Deconstruction]] SuperFic ''Fanfic/{{Dominoes}}'' have fallen into this category at various points:
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* ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'': Dr. Gero's obsession with killing Goku becomes somewhat more understandable when [[spoiler:Bulma finds out that his son (whom he built Android 16 to resemble) was among the many Red Ribbon Army soldiers who died when Goku destroyed the organization's HQ during his youth. There is just one problem with that. The Red Ribbon Army was a tyrannical organization responsible for the injuries and deaths of many innocent people, including several of Goku's friends, and had several dangerous fighters in the ranks before King Piccolo came about. And Gero and his son willingly worked for these people despite most likely knowing that. Goku's rampage that took Gero's son was most likely triggered when they screwed with him and his friends for the umpteenth time, so you can't say that Goku went after them unprovoked]].

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* ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'': Dr. Gero's obsession with killing Goku becomes somewhat more understandable when [[spoiler:Bulma finds out that his son (whom he built Android 16 to resemble) was among the many Red Ribbon Army soldiers who died when Goku destroyed the organization's HQ during his youth. There is are just one problem two problems with that. The First, the Red Ribbon Army was a tyrannical organization responsible for the injuries and deaths of many innocent people, including several of Goku's friends, and had several dangerous fighters in the ranks before King Piccolo came about. And Gero and his son willingly worked for these people despite most likely knowing that. Goku's rampage that took Gero's son was most likely triggered when they screwed with him and his friends for the umpteenth time, so you can't say that Goku went after them unprovoked]].unprovoked. Second, the video shows that Goku didn't attack the son directly, so the death was accidental. The son might have survived had he fled instead of trying to give a proper farewell in the video]].
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* VideoGame/PokemonZetaAndOmicron has an interesting case of this with [[spoiler:Zeta[=/=]Omicron, your EvilTwin who corrupted and stole the signature [[OlympusMons Legendary]] Pokemon of the Gold, the protagonist of VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver, resulting in him becoming a FallenHero in an effort to get it back. They are clearly not supposed to be a sympathetic character, as they smugly rub their theft in Gold's face, show little concern when you snag said signature Pokemon from them, and acted out said theft ([[ForWantOfANail which ultimately resulted in every bad thing that happens in the game]]) [[EvilIsPetty solely so they could be the owner of every Pokemon in the world]]; despite this, it's clear that the creator intended for them to have a biting NotSoDifferent WhatTheHellPlayer moment, when ([[TimeyWimeyBall after going back in time and witnessing them stealing said Pokemon]]) they tell you that you're no different since you snag every Shadow Pokemon you find (including [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Brendan's]] Rayquaza, which indirectly causes his death), capture every OlympusMons you can, and never care to think of the consequences, before leaving [[KarmaHoudini without any consequence for her actions]]. The problem (aside from them being a massive {{Hypocrite}} with a super-flimsy AtLeastIAdmitIt justification) is that ''[[SemanticSlipperySlopeFallacy the circumstances are almost entirely different]]'': the player was [[{{Railroading}} railroaded]] into snagging Brendan's Rayquaza (and on the Heroic Route, you're doing it to stop a much larger threat), and have been snagging Shadow Pokemon to free them from their Shadow state (including the aforementioned Rayquaza); Zeta[=/=]Omicron ''deliberately'' transformed Gold's signature Pokemon into Shadow Pokemon for ''entirely'' selfish reasons, and has made absolutely no efforts to purify it (thus causing it to suffer, as Shadow Pokemon are TheHeartless). Because of all this, Zeta[=/=]Omicron come across not as [[VillainHasAPoint an unrepentant monster who nonetheless raises some serious moral questions]], but an unrepentant monster whose actions are made even worse by her almost [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] lack of self-awareness.]]

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* VideoGame/PokemonZetaAndOmicron has an interesting case of this with [[spoiler:Zeta[=/=]Omicron, your EvilTwin who corrupted and stole the signature [[OlympusMons Legendary]] Pokemon of the Gold, the protagonist of VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver, resulting in him becoming a FallenHero in an effort to get it back. They are clearly not supposed to be a sympathetic character, as they smugly rub their theft in Gold's face, show little concern when you snag said signature Pokemon from them, and acted out said theft ([[ForWantOfANail which ultimately resulted in every bad thing that happens in the game]]) [[EvilIsPetty solely so they could be the owner of every Pokemon in the world]]; despite this, it's clear that the creator intended for them to have a biting NotSoDifferent NotSoDifferentRemark / WhatTheHellPlayer moment, when ([[TimeyWimeyBall after going back in time and witnessing them stealing said Pokemon]]) they tell you that you're no different since you snag every Shadow Pokemon you find (including [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Brendan's]] Rayquaza, which indirectly causes his death), capture every OlympusMons you can, and never care to think of the consequences, before leaving [[KarmaHoudini without any consequence for her actions]]. The problem (aside from them being a massive {{Hypocrite}} with a super-flimsy AtLeastIAdmitIt justification) is that ''[[SemanticSlipperySlopeFallacy the circumstances are almost entirely different]]'': the player was [[{{Railroading}} railroaded]] into snagging Brendan's Rayquaza (and on the Heroic Route, you're doing it to stop a much larger threat), and have been snagging Shadow Pokemon to free them from their Shadow state (including the aforementioned Rayquaza); Zeta[=/=]Omicron ''deliberately'' transformed Gold's signature Pokemon into Shadow Pokemon for ''entirely'' selfish reasons, and has made absolutely no efforts to purify it (thus causing it to suffer, as Shadow Pokemon are TheHeartless). Because of all this, Zeta[=/=]Omicron come across not as [[VillainHasAPoint an unrepentant monster who nonetheless raises some serious moral questions]], but an unrepentant monster whose actions are made even worse by her almost [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] lack of self-awareness.]]
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** Yuusaku (a DeconstructedCharacterArchetype of Franchise/{{Batman}}) ''was'' intended to be a {{Jerkass}}; he ''wasn't'' intended to be TheScrappy.

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* ''Fanfic/''{{Dominoes}}'':

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* ''Fanfic/''{{Dominoes}}'':Despite WordOfGod trying to avert this, a number of HeroAntagonist characters in the ''Manga/DetectiveConan'' [[DeconstructionFic Deconstruction]] SuperFic ''Fanfic/{{Dominoes}}'' have fallen into this category at various points:
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* Despite WordOfGod explicitly trying to downplay and avert this, a significant portion of the side cast in the ''Manga/DetectiveConan'' [[DeconstructionFic Deconstruction]] SuperFic ''Fanfic/{{Dominoes}}'' fell right into this category for most of Part 1.

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* Despite WordOfGod explicitly trying to downplay and avert this, a significant portion of the side cast in the ''Manga/DetectiveConan'' [[DeconstructionFic Deconstruction]] SuperFic ''Fanfic/{{Dominoes}}'' fell right into this category for most of Part 1. ''Fanfic/''{{Dominoes}}'':
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*** One particularly egregious issue is his hypocrisy: he mocks Kiba and Gasper's respective [[FreudianExcuse Freudian Excuses]] and forces them to confront their inner demons while [[NoSympathy obnoxiously telling them to get over it]]; and yet he staunchly clings to his own FreudianExcuse, [[ItsAllAboutMe demanding sympathy]] and various forms of compensation [[EntitledBastard when he's really owed nothing at all]], while viciously lashing out at ''anyone'' who tries to help him get over his own issues, or trying to turn it around on them without actually answering the criticism.

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*** One particularly egregious issue is his hypocrisy: he mocks Kiba and Gasper's respective [[FreudianExcuse Freudian Excuses]] and forces them to confront their inner demons while [[NoSympathy obnoxiously telling them to get over it]]; and yet he staunchly clings to his own FreudianExcuse, [[ItsAllAboutMe demanding sympathy]] and various forms of compensation [[EntitledBastard when he's really owed nothing at all]], while viciously lashing out at ''anyone'' who tries to help him get over his own issues, or trying to turn it around on them without actually answering the criticism.criticism.
* Despite WordOfGod explicitly trying to downplay and avert this, a significant portion of the side cast in the ''Manga/DetectiveConan'' [[DeconstructionFic Deconstruction]] SuperFic ''Fanfic/{{Dominoes}}'' fell right into this category for most of Part 1.
** The Irregulars, a DeconstructedCharacterArchetype of the [[Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse Teen Titans]]. All of the characters go through a lot of problems and most appear to have good intentions somewhere along the line, but the disproportionate laying of the burden of consequences at the feet of their mentor's son, Shinichi, someone they've deliberately deprived of the knowledge, power, and ability necessary to consent or protest this treatment, lends itself to an interpretation of the Irregulars as extremely exploitative. It doesn't help that the power and privilege that enables them to (at least passively) contribute to the rather extreme psychological abuse inflicted upon Shinichi also shields them from most of the consequences for their actions, which instead seems to give some readers the impression that these characters deserve ''more'' consequences rather than sympathy. This can, depending on the reader, make the Irregulars' various grievances come across as self-centered and entitled rather than sympathetically morally conflicted. This sentiment seems to overall be changing by the end of Part 1, [[spoiler:appearing to correlate with the shattering of Part 1's status quo]].
** Kazuha got hit with this particularly hard in chapter 11. While Aoko, Hattori, Ran, and Hakuba each have their own developed emotional hardships and consequences, [[BrokenBase debatably sympathetic though they are]], Kazuha has only had one big character moment so far, and it's not a pleasant one. Due to her past with Hattori and his secrets, she is the Irregular with the most similarities between her relationship with Hattori and Shinichi's relationship with Ran, so she feels she has the right to judge Shinichi[[spoiler:'s reaction to learning Ran's secrets. In her one perspective scene, she responds to Shinichi dumping Ran by declaring that she is "going to kill someone" and that she'll make Shinichi wish he was never born, before writing off Shinichi's abuse pejoratively as "daddy issues" and trying to comfort Ran by saying that Shinichi will "get over it." It's worth noting that, in this moment, Kazuha is also simultaneously reacting to the emotional strain of an extremely dire and stressful primary conflict and thus was probably not thinking straight.]] WordOfGod has said this reader reaction in particular is one of the ones that really took them by surprise, because [[spoiler:badmouthing a friend's ex after said friend is dumped in order to comfort said friend is a pretty normal thing that the writer themself has experienced. Unfortunately, the context of the breakup means the scene reads like Kazuha's enabling Ran's terrible treatment of her now-ex boyfriend and, worse, blaming the victim, which instead made Kazuha's only stand out scene in Part 1 come off as a serious KickTheDog moment.]]
** Yuusaku (a DeconstructedCharacterArchetype of Franchise/{{Batman}}) ''was'' intended to be a {{Jerkass}}; he ''wasn't'' intended to be TheScrappy.

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