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* NamesTheSame: Seth's son is called Martin. Martin Brundle is also the name of a British former race car driver; the surname's use in the original film was a deliberate ShoutOut to him as David Cronenberg is a huge racing buff (and an IronicName in-joke as Seth hated vehicles due to chronic motion sickness), so the sequel sort of brings things full circle.
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* MoneyDearBoy: John Getz told Emma Westwood, author of a book-length essay about the previous film, that he reprised the role of Stathis here because "[T]hey offered me a lot of money".

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* MoneyDearBoy: John Getz Creator/JohnGetz told Emma Westwood, author of a book-length essay about the previous film, that he reprised the role of Stathis here because "[T]hey offered me a lot of money".
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** Creator/SamRaimi was attached to direct at one stage. According to Garris, "he and his brother wrote a different treatment that went way out to cloud wacky land, and that would’ve been amazing. And it didn’t work out".

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** Creator/SamRaimi was attached the first choice to direct at one stage. According to Garris, "he based on ''Film/EvilDead2''. He and his brother Creator/TedRaimi wrote a different treatment that went way out to cloud wacky land, and that would’ve been amazing. And it didn’t work out".was rejected for being too wacky.

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** Mick Garris's draft of the screenplay had Veronica convinced to go through with her pregnancy by "a religious organization" (read: cult) who would raise the child as their own; she survived the pregnancy but could not get her child back. Eventually Martin and several fellow children -- all of whom were unusual in some way -- escaped and hid out in Los Angeles as a makeshift family, as Martin began coming into his inherited abilities, which included being able to communicate with insects. The main elements carried over into the finished film were Martin's RapidAging and the idea of him being the prisoner of an organization.

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** Mick Garris's Garris' draft of the screenplay had Veronica convinced to go through with her pregnancy by "a religious organization" (read: cult) who would raise the child as their own; she survived the pregnancy but could not get her child back. Eventually Martin and several fellow children -- all of whom were unusual in some way -- escaped and hid out in Los Angeles as a makeshift family, as Martin began coming into his inherited abilities, which included being able to communicate with insects. The main elements carried over into the finished film were Martin's RapidAging and the idea of him being the prisoner of an organization.organization.
** Creator/SamRaimi was attached to direct at one stage. According to Garris, "he and his brother wrote a different treatment that went way out to cloud wacky land, and that would’ve been amazing. And it didn’t work out".
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* SequelInAnotherMedium: ''The Fly: Outbreak'' is a comic that follows what happens when Martin attempts to [[spoiler: undo Anton Bartok's transformation into a mutant]].
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* RefittedForSequel: The interview with Seth that Martin watches as he ponders whether to continue his father's work is derived from a filmed but deleted scene from the first film (with Creator/GeenaDavis's voice replaced by Saffron Henderson's, and all shots of Veronica cut). The original version of the scene can be seen on non-VanillaEdition releases of the first film.
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* BTeamSequel: Because Creator/DavidCronenberg and his ProductionPosse had moved on to ''Film/DeadRingers'', this film featured an almost entirely new creative team. The key exception was Chris Walas, who had designed the makeups and special effects for the first film and was promoted to director here.

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* BTeamSequel: Because Creator/DavidCronenberg and his ProductionPosse had moved on to ''Film/DeadRingers'', this film featured an almost entirely new creative team. The key exception was Chris Walas, who had designed the makeups makeup and special animatronic effects for the first film and was promoted to director here.

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* NamesTheSame: Seth's son is called Martin. Martin Brundle is also the name of a British former race car driver; the surname's use in the original film was a deliberate ShoutOut to him as David Cronenberg is a huge racing buff (and an IronicName in-joke as Seth hated vehicles due to chronic motion sickness), so the sequel sort of brings things full circle.

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* MoneyDearBoy: John Getz told Emma Westwood, author of a book-length essay about the previous film, that he reprised the role of Stathis here because "[T]hey offered me a lot of money".
* NamesTheSame: Seth's son is called Martin. Martin Brundle is also the name of a British former race car driver; the surname's use in the original film was a deliberate ShoutOut to him as David Cronenberg is a huge racing buff (and an IronicName in-joke as Seth hated vehicles due to chronic motion sickness), so the sequel sort of brings things full circle.
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** Mick Garris's draft of the screenplay had Veronica convinced to go through with her pregnancy by "a religious organization" (read: cult) who would raise the child as their own; she survived the pregnancy but could not get her child back. Eventually Martin and several fellow children -- all of whom were unusual in some way -- escaped and hid out in Los Angeles as a makeshift family, as Martin began coming into his inherited abilities, which included being able to communicate with insects. The main elements carried over into the finished film were Martin's RapidAging and the idea of him being the prisoner of an organization.
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** Creator/GeenaDavis was reportedly involved with an alternate sequel in the 1990's, to be directed by her then-husband Creator/RennyHarlin, titled ''Flies.'' The script was said to feature a story where Veronica does not die in childbirth, and instead gives birth to twin boys.

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** Creator/GeenaDavis was reportedly involved with an alternate sequel in the 1990's, 1990s, to be directed by her then-husband Creator/RennyHarlin, titled ''Flies.'' The script was said to feature a story where Veronica does not die in childbirth, childbirth and instead gives birth to twin boys.boys, and may have been one of the earlier original concepts for this film.

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* BTeamSequel: Because Creator/DavidCronenberg and his ProductionPosse had moved on to ''Film/DeadRingers'', this film featured an almost entirely new creative team. The key exception was Chris Walas, who had designed the makeups and special effects for the first film and was promoted to director here.



** Creator/GeenaDavis was reportedly involved with an alternate sequel to the '80s film in the 1990's, to be directed by her then husband, Creator/RennyHarlin, titled ''Flies.'' The script was said to feature a story where Veronica does not die in childbirth, and instead gives birth to twin boys.
** Another storyline that was speculatively planned for the sequel would have involved Veronica discovering that Seth's human mind was still active within the telepod systems, requiring her to work against Bartok Industries to try and use the telepods to restore Seth's human body.
** Creator/DavidCronenberg himself wished to do a follow up film that was (in his words) "more of a sequel or a sidebar." Budget constraints among other things kept the film from moving forward.

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** Creator/GeenaDavis was reportedly involved with an alternate sequel to the '80s film in the 1990's, to be directed by her then husband, then-husband Creator/RennyHarlin, titled ''Flies.'' The script was said to feature a story where Veronica does not die in childbirth, and instead gives birth to twin boys.
** Another The first storyline that was speculatively planned for the sequel would have this film involved Veronica discovering that Seth's human mind was still active within the telepod systems, requiring her to work against Bartok Industries to try and use the telepods to restore Seth's human body.
** In TheNewTens Creator/DavidCronenberg himself wished to do a follow up film that was (in his words) "more of a sequel or a sidebar." Budget constraints among other things kept the film from moving forward.
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** The 2005 Special Edition DVD release was supposed to include a commentary from critic/filmmaker Drew [=McWeeny=]] and DVD producer/filmmaker Charles de Lauzirika (the latter most famous for his work on the ''Franchise/{{Alien}} Quadrilogy'' and ''Film/BladeRunner: The Final Cut'' sets) but though it was recorded, it was dropped. In a bonus episode of the former's podcast ''Podcast/EightiesAllOver'', Drew just says that "I think we told too many stories" -- suggesting that they went into too much detail about the ExecutiveMeddling it faced.

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** The 2005 Special Edition DVD release was supposed to include a commentary from critic/filmmaker Drew [=McWeeny=]] [=McWeeny=] and DVD producer/filmmaker Charles de Lauzirika (the latter most famous for his work on the ''Franchise/{{Alien}} Quadrilogy'' and ''Film/BladeRunner: The Final Cut'' sets) but though it was recorded, it was dropped. In a bonus episode of the former's podcast ''Podcast/EightiesAllOver'', Drew just says that "I think we told too many stories" -- suggesting that they went into too much detail about the ExecutiveMeddling it faced.
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** The 2005 Special Edition DVD release was supposed to include a commentary from critic/filmmaker Drew [=McWeeny=]] and DVD producer/filmmaker Charles de Lauzirika (the latter most famous for his work on the ''Franchise/{{Alien}} Quadrilogy'' and ''Film/BladeRunner: The Final Cut'' sets) but though it was recorded, it was dropped. In a bonus episode of the former's podcast ''Podcast/EightiesAllOver'', Drew just says that "I think we told too many stories" -- suggesting that they went into too much detail about the ExecutiveMeddling it faced.
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* NamesTheSame: Seth's son is called Martin. Martin Brundle is also the name of a British former race car driver.

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* NamesTheSame: Seth's son is called Martin. Martin Brundle is also the name of a British former race car driver.driver; the surname's use in the original film was a deliberate ShoutOut to him as David Cronenberg is a huge racing buff (and an IronicName in-joke as Seth hated vehicles due to chronic motion sickness), so the sequel sort of brings things full circle.
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* ActorAllusion: Eric Stoltz's character's name in ''The Fly II'' is Martin Brundle, and the creature he transforms into is nicknamed "Martinfly." Eric was originally cast as Marty [=Mc=]Fly in ''Film/BackToTheFuture,'' until he was replaced by Creator/MichaelJFox. Interestingly enough, Creator/JeffGoldblum, who played Martin's father Seth in the [[Film/TheFly1986 original 1986 film]], was considered for the role of Doc Brown in ''Film/BackToTheFuture'' also until he was replaced by his ''Film/TheAdventuresOfBuckarooBanzaiAcrossTheEighthDimension'' co-star Creator/ChristopherLloyd.

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* ActorAllusion: Eric Stoltz's character's name in ''The Fly II'' is Martin Brundle, and the creature he transforms into is nicknamed "Martinfly." Eric was originally cast as Marty [=Mc=]Fly in ''Film/BackToTheFuture,'' until he was replaced by Michael J. Fox. Interestingly enough, Creator/JeffGoldblum, who played Martin's father Seth in the [[Film/TheFly1986 original 1986 film]], was considered for the role of Doc Brown in ''Back to the Future'' also until he was replaced by his ''Film/TheAdventuresOfBuckarooBanzaiAcrossTheEighthDimension'' co-star Creator/ChristopherLloyd.

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* ActorAllusion: Eric Stoltz's character's name in ''The Fly II'' is Martin Brundle, and the creature he transforms into is nicknamed "Martinfly." Eric was originally cast as Marty [=Mc=]Fly in ''Film/BackToTheFuture,'' until he was replaced by Michael J. Fox. Creator/MichaelJFox. Interestingly enough, Creator/JeffGoldblum, who played Martin's father Seth in the [[Film/TheFly1986 original 1986 film]], was considered for the role of Doc Brown in ''Back to the Future'' ''Film/BackToTheFuture'' also until he was replaced by his ''Film/TheAdventuresOfBuckarooBanzaiAcrossTheEighthDimension'' co-star Creator/ChristopherLloyd.Creator/ChristopherLloyd.
* ExecutiveMeddling: As related by Frank Darabont in ''Fangoria'' Magazine, meddling was rampant. The screenwriters wanted to explore a number of themes, among them an exploration of what it means to be a son to a father. Those themes were dropped in favor of {{Squick}} and {{Gorn}}. Darabont says that at the first screening, Chris Walas turned to him at the film's conclusion and said, "It's not the movie I wanted to make, either." Creator/MelBrooks reportedly remarked that, "In all my years, I have never seen such vile studio interference on a project." The worst thing? All these decisions were made by executives who ''hadn't even seen the first film''.



* RetroactiveRecognition: The actor who plays Scorby, the sadistic security guard? That's the voice of [[WesternAnimation/AdventuresOfSonicTheHedgehog Grounder.]]



** Geena Davis was reportedly involved with an alternate sequel to the '80s film in the 1990's, to be directed by her then husband, Creator/RennyHarlin, titled ''Flies.'' The script was said to feature a story where Veronica does not die in childbirth, and instead gives birth to twin boys.

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** Geena Davis Creator/GeenaDavis was reportedly involved with an alternate sequel to the '80s film in the 1990's, to be directed by her then husband, Creator/RennyHarlin, titled ''Flies.'' The script was said to feature a story where Veronica does not die in childbirth, and instead gives birth to twin boys.



** Cronenberg himself wished to do a follow up film that was (in his words) "more of a sequel or a sidebar." Budget constraints among other things kept the film from moving forward.

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** Cronenberg Creator/DavidCronenberg himself wished to do a follow up film that was (in his words) "more of a sequel or a sidebar." Budget constraints among other things kept the film from moving forward.
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** Another storyline that was speculatively planned for the sequel would have involved Veronica discovering that Seth's human mind was still active within the telepod systems, requiring her to work against Bartok Industries to try and use the telepods to restore Seth's human body.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: The actor who plays Scorby, the sadistic security guard? That's the voice of [[WesternAnimation/AdventuresOfSonicTheHedgehog Grounder.]]
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** Geena Davis was reportedly involved with an alternate sequel to the '80s film in the 1990's, to be directed by her then husband, Renny Harlin, titled ''Flies.'' The script was said to feature a story where Veronica does not die in childbirth, and instead gives birth to twin boys.

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** Geena Davis was reportedly involved with an alternate sequel to the '80s film in the 1990's, to be directed by her then husband, Renny Harlin, Creator/RennyHarlin, titled ''Flies.'' The script was said to feature a story where Veronica does not die in childbirth, and instead gives birth to twin boys.
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* ActorAllusion: Eric Stoltz's character's name in ''The Fly II'' is Martin Brundle, and the creature he transforms into is nicknamed "Martinfly." Eric was originally cast as Marty [=Mc=]Fly in ''Film/BackToTheFuture,'' until he was replaced by Michael J. Fox.

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* ActorAllusion: Eric Stoltz's character's name in ''The Fly II'' is Martin Brundle, and the creature he transforms into is nicknamed "Martinfly." Eric was originally cast as Marty [=Mc=]Fly in ''Film/BackToTheFuture,'' until he was replaced by Michael J. Fox. Interestingly enough, Creator/JeffGoldblum, who played Martin's father Seth in the [[Film/TheFly1986 original 1986 film]], was considered for the role of Doc Brown in ''Back to the Future'' also until he was replaced by his ''Film/TheAdventuresOfBuckarooBanzaiAcrossTheEighthDimension'' co-star Creator/ChristopherLloyd.
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* HeyItsThatGuy: [[Film/PulpFiction Lance]] and [[Film/{{Spaceballs}} Princess Vespa]] are the son of a scientist and his love interest, respectively.
** Creator/GaryChalk as Scorby, the dickish security guard.
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* ActorAllusion: Eric Stoltz's character's name in ''The Fly II'' is Martin Brundle, and the creature he transforms into is nicknamed "Martinfly." Eric was originally cast as Marty [=McFly=] in ''Film/BackToTheFuture'', until he was replaced by Michael J. Fox.

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* ActorAllusion: Eric Stoltz's character's name in ''The Fly II'' is Martin Brundle, and the creature he transforms into is nicknamed "Martinfly." Eric was originally cast as Marty [=McFly=] [=Mc=]Fly in ''Film/BackToTheFuture'', ''Film/BackToTheFuture,'' until he was replaced by Michael J. Fox.



** Geena Davis was reportedly involved with an alternate sequel to the 80's film in the 1990s, to be directed by her then-husband, Renny Harlin, titled ''Flies''. The script was said to feature a story where Veronica does not die in childbirth, and instead gives birth to twin boys.
** Cronenberg himself wished to do a follow up film that was (in his words) "more of a sequel or a sidebar". Budget constraints among other things kept the film from moving forward.

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** Geena Davis was reportedly involved with an alternate sequel to the 80's '80s film in the 1990s, 1990's, to be directed by her then-husband, then husband, Renny Harlin, titled ''Flies''. ''Flies.'' The script was said to feature a story where Veronica does not die in childbirth, and instead gives birth to twin boys.
** Cronenberg himself wished to do a follow up film that was (in his words) "more of a sequel or a sidebar". sidebar." Budget constraints among other things kept the film from moving forward.
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* HeyItsThatGuy: [[Film/PulpFiction Lance]] and [[Film/{{Spaceballs}} Princess Vespa]] are the son of a scientist and his love interest, respectively.
** Creator/GaryChalk as Scorby, the dickish security guard.
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* ActorAllusion: Eric Stoltz's character's name in ''The Fly II'' is Martin Brundle, and the creature he transforms into is nicknamed "Martinfly." Eric was originally cast as Marty [=McFly=] in ''Film/BackToTheFuture'', until he was replaced by Michael J. Fox.
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* NamesTheSame: Seth's son is called Martin. Martin Brundle is also the name of a British former race car driver.
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** Geena Davis was reportedly involved with an alternate sequel to the 80's film in the 1990s, to be directed by her then-husband, Renny Harlin, titled ''Flies''. The script was said to feature a story where Veronica does not die in childbirth, and instead gives birth to twin boys.
** Cronenberg himself wished to do a follow up film that was (in his words) "more of a sequel or a sidebar". Budget constraints among other things kept the film from moving forward.
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