History Trivia / Terminator3RiseOfTheMachines

* BTeamSequel: To Creator/JamesCameron's ''Film/Terminator2JudgmentDay''. Cameron refused to return, saying he'd finished the story he set out to tell. He had some interest in a third movie, but no ideas, specially as ''Film/Titanic1997'' overtook his life, and so when the producers of the second movie purchased the franchise's rights (half from [[Creator/CarolcoPictures their company's]] liquidation aution, half from ''Film/TheTerminator'' prducer Gale Ann Hurd), Cameron was left out.

** A comedic sequence expanding on the film's revelation that the US military invented Skynet and the terminators. The scene shows that the T-800 and T-850 model terminators seen in the three films were based upon Sgt. William Candy, a burly and somewhat dim-witted Southerner; when an official questions the suitability of Candy's accent, an aide, speaking with Creator/ArnoldSchwarzenegger's overdubbed voice, states that the voice can be fixed.

* BTeamSequel: To Creator/JamesCameron's ''Film/Terminator2JudgmentDay''. Cameron refused to return, saying he'd finished the story he set out to tell.

* TheOtherMarty: Creator/SophiaBush of ''Series/OneTreeHill'' fame was originally cast as Kate Brewster but was replaced by Creator/ClaireDanes a week later as Jonathan Mostow felt that she was too young for the role.

* FlipFlopOfGod: Although he admits that ''T3'' isn't the direction he would have taken the films, Creator/JamesCameron actually enjoyed the film. Considering what he had to say about [[Film/{{Alien3}} another sequel to a movie of his]], that's quite an accomplishment. But after the arrival of ''Film/TerminatorSalvation'', however, he [[CreatorBacklash changed his mind and heavily criticized all the sequels after ''T2'', especially this film]]. As of ''Film/TerminatorDarkFate'', he's also called this movie "a bad dream", so it's no surprise that ''Dark Fate'' [[CanonDiscontinuity ignores]] the events of ''Rise of the Machines'' and acts as the sequel to ''T2''.

* MoneyDearBoy: Creator/ArnoldSchwarzenegger initially refused to make the film unless Creator/JamesCameron directed it. In the end, $30 million (and reportedly Cameron himself) convinced him to make it anyway. As the DoingItForTheArt and DyeingForYourArt examples above indicate, [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools he definitely earned his paycheck.]]

* McLeaned: Creator/LindaHamilton had no interest in returning, as she felt that the story ended with the second film and that she'd just be doing the same thing again. As a result, Sarah Connor is said to have died of leukemia in-between films. This was later retconned in ''Film/TerminatorDarkFate''.

* TheOtherDarrin: Creator/EdwardFurlong was originally supposed to reprise his role as John Connor, but he was dropped from the film, allegedly due to a substance abuse problem. Enter Nick Stahl.

* FocusGroupEnding: An alternative ending was partially shot where another T-850 would appear in Crystal Peak and destroy the Skynet system core. This ending was to be used in the event focus groups disagreed with the official ending

* DawsonCasting: Nick Stahl was actually 23 when playing 19-year-old John.
* DeletedScene: There were a lot of them, including the notorious Sgt. Candy [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kayFrIR-Qfw scene]] explaining the origin of the T-800 series. Most other deleted scenes hadn't been released, though.

* MoneyDearBoy: Creator/ArnoldSchwarzenegger initially refused to make ''Terminator 3'' unless Creator/JamesCameron directed it. In the end, $30 million (and reportedly Cameron himself) convinced him to make it anyway. As the DoingItForTheArt and DyeingForYourArt examples above indicate, [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools he definitely earned his paycheck.]]

* PermanentPlaceholder: After the funeral battle, when the T-X scans its damaged weapons arm, the diagnostics text is an obvious placeholder (and reused for all of the weapons!). [[spoiler]]"TEXT regarding the current weapon being displayed in XPG40 weapon sub window. Important information regarding this weapon is being displayed here. 679098-8"[[/spoiler]]

* TooSoon: Kate's fiancé was originally named Scott Peterson. However, during production, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Laci_Peterson a real Scott Peterson murdered his pregnant wife]], so the character was renamed Scott Mason. Despite this, he is still listed as Scott Peterson in the credits.

* DisownedAdaptation: Again, this film is one of the three ''Terminator'' movies that is completely turned away by Creator/JamesCameron after ''Film/TerminatorDarkFate'''s production.

* FlipFlopOfGod: Although he admits that ''T3'' isn't the direction he would have taken the films, Creator/JamesCameron actually enjoyed the film. Considering what he had to say about [[Film/{{Alien3}} another sequel to a movie of his]], that's quite an accomplishment. Years later, however, he [[CreatorBacklash changed his mind and heavily criticized all the sequels after ''T2'', especially this film]]. As of ''Film/TerminatorDarkFate'', he's also called this movie "a bad dream", so it's no surprise that ''Dark Fate'' [[CanonDiscontinuity ignores]] the events of ''Rise of the Machines'' and acts as the sequel to ''T2''.

* ApprovalOfGod: Creator/JamesCameron actually enjoyed the film. Considering what he had to say about [[Film/{{Alien3}} another sequel to a movie of his]], that's quite an accomplishment. Years later, however, he [[CreatorBacklash changed his mind and heavily criticized all the sequels after ''T2'', especially this film]]. Taking this into account, we are not surprised why ''Film/TerminatorDarkFate'' [[CanonDiscontinuity ignored]] the events of ''Rise of the Machines'' and acts as the sequel to ''T2''.

* ApprovalOfGod: Creator/JamesCameron actually enjoyed the film. Considering what he had to say about [[Film/{{Alien3}} another sequel to a movie of his]], that's quite an accomplishment. Years later, however, he [[CreatorBacklash changed his mind and heavily criticized all the sequels after ''T2'', especially this film]]. Taking this into account, we are not surprised why ''Film/TerminatorDarkFate'' will [[CanonDiscontinuity ignore]] the events of ''Rise of the Machines'' and act as the true sequel to ''T2''.

* WhatCouldHaveBeen:
** Creator/JamesCameron was expected to direct the film during the mid 1990s but due to Carolco's bankruptcy in 1995, he lost interest in the franchise and focused on doing ''Film/{{Titanic 1997}}'' instead.
** Creator/RidleyScott was asked to direct, but he was busy with ''Film/BlackHawkDown''. Creator/AngLee was also offered the job, but he was busy with ''Film/{{Hulk}}''. Creator/MichaelBay, who would [[Film/{{Transformers}} direct another movie based on a franchise that revolves around robots that started in 1984]], and Creator/JohnMcTiernan were also considered.
** Director Mostow accepted the movie with the condition Creator/LindaHamilton returned. Hamilton was offered to reprise her role as Sarah, but declined after reading the script, in which she was killed halfway. It's has been entertained the character of Katherine Brewster was created to replace her.
** Schwartzenegger originally wanted Wrestling/{{Chyna}} to play the T-X, but it was not possible. After this, the character oscillated between male and female, with actors of both sexes being considered for the role: Creator/VinDiesel, Creator/CarrieAnneMoss, Creator/JeriRyan, Shaquille O'Neal, Creator/GwynethPaltrow, [[Series/LaFemmeNikita Peta Wilson]] and Lucia Rijker were some of them. After it was established again as female, it was reported Creator/FamkeJanssen was the main candidate to play it.
** In the [[http://johnbrancato.blogspot.com/ earliest draft]], John had become a Silicon Valley CEO, Sarah was alive but alienated from her son, and the film would end with the missiles being launched but disabled en route. Later, this received a subplot where a seemingly heroic T-X infected John with nanomachines in order to have him betray the resistance in the future, with the T-850 being sent by Kate actually to kill him; it would end in a DownerEnding with present Kate being killed and Connor still having nanomachines in his head. Predictably, the execs were angry at those developments, so they forced the writers to remake the script completely in a couple weeks, giving as a result the final film as we know it.
** At some point, the enemy Terminator was a shapeshifter like the T-1000, but could also turn into a gaseous form. Creator/LanceHenriksen was to reprise the role of Detective Vukovich, having the character bound to a wheelchair following the events of the first film, but the idea was eventually dropped.
** In the original script, in the scene where the T-X attacked the woman to take her clothes, the woman was at an ATM that wouldn't respond, as a way of foreshadowing that Skynet was already taking over. After killing her and taking her clothes, the woman's boyfriend called her on her cellphone. The T-X answered it by imitating her voice. When the T-X was pulled over by a cop, she did not inflate her breasts; the cop was simply taken in by her beauty, tore up the ticket, and asked her out. In the same script, when John was at the bridge in the beginning, he was actually contemplating suicide. Shortly after, when the T-850 steals the stripper's clothes and then the truck, a bouncer was going to try to stop him.
** Apparently, an extended scene set in the future where Connor and Kate encouraged the resistance troops was filmed, with them in costume, but was never used in the cut.
** The film was going to feature a subplot where it would be revealed the T-800 series' human parts were created after an Air Force sergeant from current time, William Candy (also played by Schwartzenegger, but redubbed in a Southern accent, implying the robot's voice was actually sampled from a technician named Olson who was hilariously redubbed by Arnold himself). In fact, in the scene where the heroes meet Kate's father, the general was going to be shocked to see the T-850 and mistake him for Sgt. Candy, making the T-850 clarify he is not and mention he was made there. This was all removed because the director realized the audience would find it confusing, but the first scene with the real Candy is included as a DVD bonus. The novelization, which contains a few plot differents from the film, also kept this subplot.
** The first fight between the T-850 and the T-X featured the latter using headbutts and biting his arm with her steel teeth, exposing a bit of his arm's metal exoeskeleton. Similarly, their final fight under the giant door had the T-X grappling T-850's and attacking him with her rotary saw. Those moments were actually filmed, but were discarded before completing the special effects. The film's novelization and comic book retain them with some changes.
** Director Mostow feared the film's ending might be found too dark by the execs, so he had prepared a FocusGroupEnding where a second T-850 came from the future directly inside Crystal Peak to somehow avert Judgement Day again.

* DeletedScene: The notorious Sgt. Candy [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kayFrIR-Qfw scene]] explaining the origin of the T-800 series.

** In early drafts, Sarah Connor was alive and John was working as a computer programmer. The film would have ended with the missiles being launched, but disabled en route, leaving a death toll of "only" six million. Around this version of the script, the enemy Terminator was a shapeshifter like the T-1000, but could also turn into a gaseous form.

** In an early draft of the script, Creator/LanceHenriksen was to reprise the role of Detective Vukovich, having the character bound to a wheelchair following the events of the first film. The idea was eventually dropped.
** In the original script, in the scene where the T-X attacked the woman to take her clothes, the woman was at an ATM that wouldn't respond, as a way of foreshadowing that Skynet was already taking over. After killing her and taking her clothes, the woman's boyfriend called her on her cellphone. The T-X answered it by imitating her voice. When the T-X was pulled over by a cop, she did not inflate her breasts; the cop was simply taken in by her beauty, tore up the ticket, and asked her out.
** In the same script, when John was at the bridge in the beginning, he was actually contemplating suicide. Shortly after, when the T-850 steals the stripper's clothes and then the truck, a bouncer was going to try to stop him.
** The film was going to feature a subplot where it would be revealed the T-800 series' human parts were created after an Air Force sergeant from current time, William Candy (also played by Schwartzenegger, obviously). In fact, in the scene where the heroes meet Kate's father, the general was going to be shocked to see the T-850 and mistake him for Sgt. Candy, making the T-850 clarify he is not and explain its origin. This was all removed because the director realized the audience would find it confusing, but the first scene with the real Candy was shot and is included as a DVD bonus.

** In early drafts, Sarah Connor was alive and John was working as a computer programmer. The film would have ended with the missiles being launched, but disabled en route, leaving a death toll of only six million.
** Creator/LindaHamilton was offered to reprise her role as Sarah, but declined after reading the script, in which Sarah is killed halfway.

** T-X was originally androgynous. In fact, both male and female actors were offered for the role, such as Creator/VinDiesel, Creator/CarrieAnneMoss, Creator/JeriRyan, Creator/FamkeJanssen, Shaquille O'Neal, Creator/GwynethPaltrow, [[Series/LaFemmeNikita Peta Wilson]], Wrestling/{{Chyna}} and Lucia Rijker.
** In an early draft of the script, Creator/LanceHenriksen was to reprise the role of Detective Vukovich, having the character bound to a wheelchair following the events of the first film. The idea was eventually dropped.

** In the original script, when John was at the bridge in the beginning, he was actually contemplating suicide.
** In an early draft, the enemy Terminator was a shape shifter like the T-1000, but could also turn into a gaseous form.
** In the original script, when the T-850 steals the stripper's clothes and then the truck, a bouncer tried to stop him.
** In the scene where the heroes meet Kate's father, the man was going to be shocked to see the T-850 and mistake him for Sgt. Candy, which makes the T-850 say he is not, but he was made here. The scene wasn't filmed because they decided the audience wouldn't understand it without the deleted Sgt. Candy scene.

* TheOtherMarty: Sophia Bush of ''Series/OneTreeHill'' fame was originally cast as Kate Brewster but was replaced by Creator/ClaireDanes a week later as Jonathan Mostow felt that she was too young for the role.

* FranchiseKiller: It looks that way, but no. A sequel was being primed almost immediately after the release and Nick Stahl and Creator/ClaireDanes were asked to return. Assorted developments (including the actors passing, feuding producers, and Schwarzenegger's election as governor) led to the Halcyon Company getting the franchise rights and doing a soft reboot, ''Film/TerminatorSalvation''.

* MoneyDearBoy: Creator/ArnoldSchwarzenegger initially refused to make ''Terminator 3'' unless Creator/JamesCameron directed it. In the end, $30 million (and reportedly Cameron himself) convinced him to make it anyway. As the DoingItForTheArt and DyeingForYourArt examples above indicate, [[TropesAreTools he definitely earned his paycheck.]]

* ApprovalOfGod: Creator/JamesCameron actually enjoyed the film. Considering what he had to say about [[Film/{{Alien3}} another sequel to a movie of his]], that's quite an accomplishment. Years later, however, he [[CreatorBacklash changed his mind and heavily criticized all the sequels after ''T2'', especially this film]].

** In the scene where the T-X attacked the woman to take her clothes, the woman was originally at an ATM that wouldn't respond, as a way of foreshadowing that Skynet was already taking over.

** In early drafts, Sarah Connor was alive and John was working as a computer programmer.