History Trivia / Marville

* CreatorBreakdown: It's pretty obvious that ''something'' happened to Jemas between issues 2 and 3--the most likely answer being, that's the point when it would have become obvious that he would lose the bet.

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* DearNegativeReader: The series concludes with "[[https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Marville/Issue-6?id=61298#24 an open letter from Bill Jemas]] that is absurdly self-indulgent, where he blames the failure of ''Marville'', and the state of the comic industry in general, on the fanbase and the publishers (both DC ''and'' Marvel). He denounces comic fans for only liking action-packed superhero stories, and publishers for prioritizing money and the writers and subjects that make it, and neither of them care about comics that explore questions of philosophy and morality. The rest of the issue touches on the same themes as the letter, with the framing device of Al pitching the story of his adventure to a comic editor and the editor refusing him because he doesn't think the comic would sell very well since its subject matter isn't what comic readers are interested in, no matter how (supposedly) profound and insightful Al's story may be.

* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: To say that this comic hasn't aged well is an understatement. For example, there are numerous references to AOL Time-Warner, portraying it as a powerful MegaCorp that rules the world in 5002 (relatively plausible in 2002, downright laughable now). There are also "jokes" about the industry in general -- and Marvel's staff and comics in particular -- in the early 2000s. One example is showing Creator/PeterDavid, who was making a bet with Bill Jemas to see who could sell more comics, as a poor man ([[HilariousInHindsight David won the bet]]). And the title and the cover of issue #1 reference ''Series/{{Smallville}}'', which had come out a year ago. Still, Jemas nevertheless manages to somehow screw up at depicting how things were in the early 2000s. For instance, UsefulNotes/TedTurner and Creator/JaneFonda were ''divorced'' at the time of publication.

* ArtistDisillusionment: Bill Jemas' open letter in issue #6 was a long expression of his disappointment not only in the comic's failure, [[DearNegativeReader but in the comic industry as a whole]], claiming that only {{superhero}} comics sell well at Marvel (directly citing ''Marville'''s failure as proof that [[ViewersAreMorons their audiences only want superhero action, nothing more]]), and that everywhere else was unfriendly to ideas that defy the superhero norms (claiming that Creator/DCComics avoids [[TakeThat "publishing anything that actually says anything"]], Creator/ImageComics [[TakeThat will leave you bankrupt, and independent publishers have no money or viewership]]). Jemas was motivated to combat this by reinstating the then-defunct Creator/EpicComics imprint as a means of hiring and promoting up-and-coming comic creators with new, non-superhero stories... [[ShortRunners before it folded again one year later]]. Even within issue #7 (the submission guide for Epic Comics), Jemas seemed to have little faith in the endeavor, repeatedly mentioning that new-blood comics with no preexisting Marvel characters attached do poorly on principle, and that creator-owned comics would only be valuable [[ItsAllAboutMe if Marvel as a whole saw net profits from them]].

* DearNegativeReader: The series concludes with Jemas wildly insulting his readers for "not getting it," leading to the failure of his book, along with [[TakeThat his competition for their business practices]].[[note]] The business practices presumably being writing better, more entertaining stories that actually make sense[[/note]] It's gotta be read to be believed. At the end of this strong contender for worst comic ever, we close on the writer trying to pitch ''Marville'' to a publisher that he can't get to publish it, over his pleas that world peace is more important than sales, because even though the publisher wishes he could, it's not the superhero punching that is all comic readers are interested in and so wouldn't sell. It's followed by an AuthorFilibuster by Jemas himself to the same effect. Yes, the whole moral of the story to this is that we'd have a perfect world if, instead of being such idiots as to want things like comics to make sense and be entertaining, we were capable of seeing how only the incoherent fauxlosophic ramblings of a guy who ''[[NotHyperbole literally]]'' doesn't know the difference between ''Film/JurassicPark'' and the actual Jurassic period could save us all.

* DuelingWorks: Enforced by Marvel[='=]s ''U-Decide'' campaign, which pitted this up against ''ComicBook/UltimateAdventures'' by Ron Zimmerman and Creator/PeterDavid[='=]s run of ComicBook/{{Captain Marvel|l}}. To say that ''Marville'' lost would be an '''understatement''' -- it was on the receiving end of a CurbStompBattle from David's book both commercially and critically, and while not as drastic, ''Ultimate Adventures'' also did better in the critical department. Neither book is considered a classic, but ''Marville'' bombed rather terribly. Although one could make the argument that it was a runner-up, since people at least '''remember''' ''Marville'', even if it's just because of how bad it is.

* CreatorBreakdown: It's pretty obvious that ''something'' happened between issues 2 and 3--the most likely answer being, that's the point when it would have become obvious that he would lose the bet.

* DearNegativeReader: The series concludes with Jemas wildly insulting his readers for "not getting it," leading to the failure of his book, along with [[TakeThat his competition for their business practices]].[[note]] The business practices presumably being writing better, more entertaining stories that actually make sense. [[/note]] It's gotta be read to be believed. At the end of this strong contender for worst comic ever, we close on the writer trying to pitch ''Marville'' to a publisher that he can't get to publish it, over his pleas that world peace is more important than sales, because even though the publisher wishes he could, it's not the superhero punching that is all comic readers are interested in and so wouldn't sell. It's followed by an AuthorFilibuster by Jemas himself to the same effect. Yes, the whole moral of the story to this is that we'd have a perfect world if, instead of being such idiots as to want things like comics to make sense and be entertaining, we were capable of seeing how only the incoherent fauxlosophic ramblings of a guy who ''[[NotHyperbole literally]]'' doesn't know the difference between ''Film/JurassicPark'' and the actual Jurassic period could save us all.

* ColbertBump: Most people know of ''Marvile'' thanks to ''WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall'' reviews of it.
* DearNegativeReader: The series concludes with Jemas wildly insulting his readers for "not getting it," leading to the failure of his book, along with [[TakeThat his competition for their business practices]].[[note]] The business practices presumably being writing better, more entertaining stories that actually make sense. [[/note]] It’s gotta be read to be believed. At the end of this strong contender for worst comic ever, we close on the writer trying to pitch Marville to a publisher that he can’t get to publish it, over his pleas that world peace is more important than sales, because even though the publisher wishes he could, it’s not the superhero punching that is all comic readers are interested in and so wouldn’t sell. It’s followed by an AuthorFilibuster by Jemas himself to the same effect. Yes, the whole moral of the story to this is that we’d have a perfect world if, instead of being such idiots as to want things like comics to make sense and be entertaining, we were capable of seeing how only the incoherent fauxlosophic ramblings of a guy who ''[[NotHyperbole literally]]'' doesn’t know the difference between ''Film/JurassicPark'' and the actual Jurassic period could save us all.
* DuelingWorks: Enforced by Marvel[='=]s ''U-Decide'' campaign, which pitted this up against ''ComicBook/UltimateAdventures'' by Ron Zimmerman and Creator/PeterDavid[='=]s run of [[ComicBook/CaptainMarVell Captain Marvel]]. To say that Marville lost would be an ''understatement'' - it was on the receiving end of a CurbStompBattle from David's book both commercially and critically, and while not as drastic, ''Ultimate Adventures'' also did better in the critical department. Neither book is considered a classic, but ''Marville'' bombed rather terribly. Although one could make the argument that it was a runner-up, since people at least ''remember'' ''Marville'', even if it's just because of how bad it is.
* NoBudget: Rumor has it that Jemas had almost no funding by #3, resulting in such short cuts as ''printing the script on the pages'' instead of lettering.

* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: To say that this comic hasn't aged well is an understatement. For example, there are numerous references to AOL Time-Warner, portraying it as a powerful MegaCorp that rules the world in 5002 (relatively plausible in 2002, downright laughable now). There are also "jokes" about the industry in general -- and Marvel's staff and comics in particular -- in the early 2000s. One example is showing Peter David, who was making a bet with Bill Jemas to see who could sell more comics, as a poor man ([[HilariousInHindsight David won the bet]]). And the title and the cover of issue #1 reference ''Series/{{Smallville}}'', which had come out a year ago. Still, Jemas nevertheless manages to somehow screw up at depicting how things were in the early 2000s. For instance, UsefulNotes/TedTurner and Creator/JaneFonda were ''divorced'' at the time of publication.

* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: To say that this comic hasn't aged well is an understatement. For example, there are numerous references to AOL Time-Warner, portraying it as a powerful MegaCorp that rules the world in 5002 (relatively plausible in 2002, downright laughable now). There are also "jokes" about the industry in general -- and Marvel's staff and comics in particular -- in the early 2000s. One example is showing Peter David, who was making a bet with Bill Jemas to see who could sell more comics, as a poor man ([[HilariousInHindsight David won the bet]]). And the title and the cover of issue #1 reference ''Series/{{Smallville}}'', which had recently come out. Still, Jemas nevertheless manages to somehow screw up at depicting how things were in the early 2000s. For instance, UsefulNotes/TedTurner and Creator/JaneFonda were ''divorced'' at the time of publication.

* DuelingWorks: Enforced by Marvel[='=]s ''U-Decide'' campaign, which pitted this up against ''ComicBook/UltimateAdventures'' by Ron Zimmerman and Creator/PeterDavid[='=]s run of [[ComicBook/CaptainMarVell Captain Marvel]]. To say that Marville lost would be an ''understatement'' - it was on the receiving end of a CurbStompBattle from David's book both commercially and critically, and while not as drastic, ''Ultimate Adventures'' also did better in the critical department. Although one could make the argument that it was a runner-up, since people at least ''remember'' ''Marville'', even if it's just because of how bad it is.

* DearNegativeReader: The series concludes with Jemas wildly insulting his readers for "not getting it," leading to the failure of his book, along with [[TakeThat his competition for their business practices]].[[note]] The business practices presumably being writing better, more entertaining stories that actually make sense. [[/note]] It’s gotta be read to be believed. At the end of this strong contender for worst comic ever, we close on the writer trying to pitch Marville to a publisher that he can’t get to publish it, over his pleas that world peace is more important than sales, because even though the publisher wishes he could, it’s not the superhero punching that is all comic readers are interested in and so wouldn’t sell. It’s followed by an AuthorFilibuster by Jemas himself to the same effect. Yes, the whole moral of the story to this is that we’d have a perfect world if, instead of being such idiots as to want things like comics to make sense and be entertaining, we were capable of seeing how only the incoherent fauxlosophic ramblings of a guy who ''[[NotHyperbole literally]]'' doesn’t know the difference between Jurassic Park and the actual Jurassic period could save us all.

* DuelingWorks: Enforced by Marvel[='=]s ''U-Decide'' campaign, which pitted this up against ''ComicBook/UltimateAdventures'' by Ron Zimmerman and Creator/PeterDavid[='=]s run of [[ComicBook/CaptainMarVell Captain Marvel]]. To say that Marville lost would be an ''understatement'' - it was on the receiving end of a CurbStompBattle from David's book both commercially and critically, and while not as drastic, ''Ultimate Adventures'' also did better in the critical department.

* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: To say that this comic hasn't aged well is an understatement. And Jemas even screws ''that'' up. For instance, UsefulNotes/TedTurner and Creator/JaneFonda were ''divorced'' at the time of publication.

* DearNegativeReader: The series concludes with Jemas wildly insulting his readers for "not getting it," leading to the failure of his book, along with [[TakeThat his competition for their business practices]].[[note]] The business practices presumably being writing better, more entertaining stories that actually make sense. [[/note]] It’s gotta be read to be believed. At the end of this strong contender for worst comic ever, we close on the writer trying to pitch Marville to a publisher that he can’t get to publish it, over his pleas that world peace is more important than sales, because it’s not what the people want, followed by an AuthorFilibuster by Jemas himself to the same effect. Yes, the whole moral of the story to this is that we’d have a perfect world if, instead of being such idiots as to want things like comics to make sense and be entertaining, we were capable of seeing how only the incoherent fauxlosophic ramblings of a guy who ''[[NotHyperbole literally]]'' doesn’t know the difference between Jurassic Park and the actual Jurassic period could save us all.

* DearNegativeReader: The series concludes with Jemas wildly insulting his readers for "not getting it," leading to the failure of his book, along with [[TakeThat his competition for their business practices]].[[note]] The business practices presumably being writing better, more entertaining stories that actually make sense. [[/note]]

* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: To say that this comic hasn't aged well is an understatement. And Jemas even screws ''that'' up. For instance, Ted Turner and Jane Fonda were ''divorced'' at the time of publication.

* DearNegativeReader: The series concludes with Jemas wildly insulting his readers for "not getting it," leading to the failure of his book, along with [[TakeThat his competition for their business practices]].[[note]] The business practices presumably being writing better, sensical, more entertaining stories. [[/note]]

* DearNegativeReader: Issues #5 and #6 are devoted to this.

* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: To say that this comic hasn't aged well is an understatement. And Jemas even screws ''that'' up. For instance, Ted Turner and Jane Fonda were ''divorced'' at the time of publication.