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* ''WesternAnimation/ThePenguinsOfMadagascar'': "The Penguin Who Loved Me" isn't disliked, but because it's the closest thing the show has to a GrandFinale, some fans found it anticlimatic in comparison to the previous special "Operation: Lunacorn Apocalypse" or [[spoiler: Dr. Blowhole]]'s previous special "The Return of the Revenge of Dr. Blowhole"

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* ''WesternAnimation/ThePenguinsOfMadagascar'': "The Penguin Who Loved Me" isn't disliked, but because it's the closest thing the show has to a GrandFinale, some fans found it anticlimatic in comparison to the previous special "Operation: Lunacorn Apocalypse" or [[spoiler: Dr. Blowhole]]'s previous special "The Return of the Revenge of Dr. Blowhole"Blowhole"
* While no one would say that the final season of ''WesternAnimation/CodenameKidsNextDoor'' was outright bad, many fans still couldn't help but be let down due to the season having the misfortune of following the MadeForTVMovie, ''WesternAnimation/OperationZERO'', which is considered to be the series at its absolute finest due to how it perfectly managed to capture just about everything that the show was known for. Season six [[AbortedArc forgoing several plot points]] the movie introduced in order to focus on the Splinter Cell and [[spoiler:Galactic Kids Next Door]] plot also didn't help matters in fan's minds.
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* ''WesternAnimation/CloneHigh'''s original run was one of the biggest {{Cult Classic}}s in Western Animation between its cancellation in 2003 and revival in 2023. Its fanbase loved its avant-garde humor and storytelling, its encapsulation of 2000s culture (particularly Creator/{{MTV}}), and its merciless parodying of the then-popular teen drama genre. As a result, expectations ran high for the HBO Max revival, and it has subsequently been met with divisive reception due to its vastly different direction (namely downplaying the parody elements due to the genre it spoofed being largely irrelevant in the 2020s, losing its time capsule nature by introducing/updating the characters to 2020s culture, and changing the overall tone to something more approachable for wider audiences).

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* ''WesternAnimation/CloneHigh'''s original run was one of the biggest {{Cult Classic}}s in Western Animation between its cancellation in 2003 and revival in 2023. Its fanbase loved its avant-garde humor and storytelling, its encapsulation of 2000s culture (particularly Creator/{{MTV}}), and its merciless parodying of the then-popular teen drama genre. As a result, expectations ran high for the HBO Max revival, and it has subsequently been met with divisive reception due to its vastly different direction (namely downplaying the parody elements due to the genre it spoofed being largely irrelevant in the 2020s, losing its time capsule nature by introducing/updating the characters to 2020s culture, and changing the overall tone to something more approachable for wider audiences).audiences).
* ''WesternAnimation/ThePenguinsOfMadagascar'': "The Penguin Who Loved Me" isn't disliked, but because it's the closest thing the show has to a GrandFinale, some fans found it anticlimatic in comparison to the previous special "Operation: Lunacorn Apocalypse" or [[spoiler: Dr. Blowhole]]'s previous special "The Return of the Revenge of Dr. Blowhole"
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** [[Franchise/MyLittlePonyGeneration5 Generation 5]] of the franchise had the monumental challenge of being the follow-up to [[Franchise/MyLittlePonyGeneration4 Generation 4]], whose flagship show ''Friendship is Magic'' and spin-offs like ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls Equestria Girls]]'' granted the brand a significant PeripheryDemographic that turned ''My Little Pony'' into a juggernaut for nearly a decade. The G5 pilot movie ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyANewGeneration'', while well-received, had fans of G4 divided on how well it measured up to [=FiM=], and the subsequent ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyMakeYourMark Make Your Mark]]'' and ''[[WebAnimation/MyLittlePonyTellYourTale Tell Your Tale]] were similarly seen as failing to live to the writing quality established by the previous incarnation..

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** [[Franchise/MyLittlePonyGeneration5 Generation 5]] of the franchise had the monumental challenge of being the follow-up to [[Franchise/MyLittlePonyGeneration4 Generation 4]], whose flagship show ''Friendship is Magic'' and spin-offs like ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls Equestria Girls]]'' granted the brand a significant PeripheryDemographic that turned ''My Little Pony'' into a juggernaut for nearly a decade. The G5 pilot movie ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyANewGeneration'', while well-received, had fans of G4 divided on how well it measured up to [=FiM=], and the subsequent ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyMakeYourMark Make Your Mark]]'' and ''[[WebAnimation/MyLittlePonyTellYourTale Tell Your Tale]] Tale]]'' were similarly seen as failing to live to the writing quality established by the previous incarnation..incarnation.
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** Speaking of ''Gravity Falls'', the critical and commercial success this show received resulted in it being held up as the bar for future series from Disney Television Animation to meet, with Disney themselves seemingly trying to recapture the formula with shows like ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'', ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales2017'', ''WesternAnimation/{{Amphibia}}'', and ''WesternAnimation/TheOwlHouse'' (the latter two being headed by GF alumini).
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* ''WesternAnimation/CloneHigh'''s original run was one of the biggest {{Cult Classic}}s in Western Animation between its cancellation in 2003 and revival in 2023. Its fanbase loved its avant-garde humor and storytelling, its encapsulation of 2000s culture (particularly Creator/{{MTV}}), and its merciless parodying of the then-popular teen drama genre. Expectations ran high for the HBO Max revival as a result, and the revival, subsequently has lived entirely under the original run's shadow and been met with divisive reception due to its vastly different direction (namely downplaying the parody elements due to the genre it spoofed being largely irrelevant in the 2020s, dropping the time capsule elements by introducing/updating the characters to 2020s culture, and changing the overall tone to something more approachable for wider audiences).

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* ''WesternAnimation/CloneHigh'''s original run was one of the biggest {{Cult Classic}}s in Western Animation between its cancellation in 2003 and revival in 2023. Its fanbase loved its avant-garde humor and storytelling, its encapsulation of 2000s culture (particularly Creator/{{MTV}}), and its merciless parodying of the then-popular teen drama genre. Expectations As a result, expectations ran high for the HBO Max revival as a result, and the revival, and it has subsequently has lived entirely under the original run's shadow and been met with divisive reception due to its vastly different direction (namely downplaying the parody elements due to the genre it spoofed being largely irrelevant in the 2020s, dropping the losing its time capsule elements nature by introducing/updating the characters to 2020s culture, and changing the overall tone to something more approachable for wider audiences).
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* ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012'' was beloved by fans, considered by many one of the best TMNT incarnations to date, and still has a passionate fanbase years later. ''WesternAnimation/RiseOfTheTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles'', while a good show in its own right, had the unenviable status of being that show's successor, especially given ''Rise'''s [[LaterInstallmentWeirdness changes to the TMNT formula]]. Fans were less than kind to it when it premiered, which may have played a part in its early cancellation (though in recent years, ''Rise'' has been VindicatedByHistory and now has a strong fanbase in its own right).

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* ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012'' was beloved by fans, considered by many one of the best TMNT incarnations to date, and still has a passionate fanbase years later. ''WesternAnimation/RiseOfTheTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles'', while a good show in its own right, had the unenviable status of being that show's successor, especially given ''Rise'''s [[LaterInstallmentWeirdness changes to the TMNT formula]]. Fans were less than kind to it when it premiered, which may have played a part in its early cancellation (though in recent years, ''Rise'' has been VindicatedByHistory and now has a strong fanbase in its own right).right).
* ''WesternAnimation/CloneHigh'''s original run was one of the biggest {{Cult Classic}}s in Western Animation between its cancellation in 2003 and revival in 2023. Its fanbase loved its avant-garde humor and storytelling, its encapsulation of 2000s culture (particularly Creator/{{MTV}}), and its merciless parodying of the then-popular teen drama genre. Expectations ran high for the HBO Max revival as a result, and the revival, subsequently has lived entirely under the original run's shadow and been met with divisive reception due to its vastly different direction (namely downplaying the parody elements due to the genre it spoofed being largely irrelevant in the 2020s, dropping the time capsule elements by introducing/updating the characters to 2020s culture, and changing the overall tone to something more approachable for wider audiences).
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Disenchantment}}'' is a fairly solid show on its own merits, but it had to live up to the fame of Creator/MattGroening's previous titles; the previously mentioned pop culture symbol that is LongRunner ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', as well the minor SacredCow and adored CultClassic ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}''. Both have huge fandoms and widespread recognition between both public and critics, so it's no wonder why some people felt underwhelmed by the new show.
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** Many fans of Creator/ButchHartman feel that ''WesternAnimation/TUFFPuppy'', ''WesternAnimation/BunsenIsABeast'', and the {{Post Script Season}}s of ''WesternAnimation/FairlyOddParents'' don't reach the same bar as this show, viewing the superhero action/comedy as his magnum opus.

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** Many fans of Creator/ButchHartman feel that ''WesternAnimation/TUFFPuppy'', ''WesternAnimation/BunsenIsABeast'', and the {{Post Script Season}}s {{UnCanceled}} seasons of ''WesternAnimation/FairlyOddParents'' don't reach the same bar as this show, viewing the superhero action/comedy as his magnum opus.



* ''WesternAnimation/{{Disenchantment}}'' is a fairly solid show on its own merits, but it has to live up to the fame of Creator/MattGroening's previous titles; the previously mentioned pop culture symbol that is LongRunner ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', as well the minor SacredCow and adored CultClassic ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}''. Both have huge fandoms and widespread recognition between both public and critics, so it's no wonder why some people felt underwhelmed by the new show.
* After ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'' had come to an end, it was believed that Creator/DisneyChannel had entered an animation slump and ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'' was the only successful cartoon remaining. It wouldn't be until the premiere of ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' that a new renissance of the channel would begin.
* While ''WesternAnimation/MiloMurphysLaw'' is well received, its not seen as being on-par with the creators' previous show, ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb''. It doesn't help that the show's second season began with a crossover between the two series, followed by some characters becoming heavily integrated into the series. This led to a common complaint that MML, regardless of any writing improvements, is being overshadowed by its predecessor.
* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'': The critical and commercial success this show received resulted in it being held up as the bar for future series from Disney Television Animation to meet, with Disney themselves seemingly trying to recapture the formula with shows like ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'', ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales2017'', ''WesternAnimation/{{Amphibia}}'', and ''WesternAnimation/TheOwlHouse'' (the latter two being headed by GF alumini).

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Disenchantment}}'' is a fairly solid show on its own merits, but it has had to live up to the fame of Creator/MattGroening's previous titles; the previously mentioned pop culture symbol that is LongRunner ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', as well the minor SacredCow and adored CultClassic ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}''. Both have huge fandoms and widespread recognition between both public and critics, so it's no wonder why some people felt underwhelmed by the new show.
* After ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'' had come to an end, it was believed that Creator/DisneyChannel had entered an animation slump and ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'' was the only successful cartoon remaining. It wouldn't be until the premiere of ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' that a new renissance renaissance of the channel would begin.
** Speaking of ''Gravity Falls'', the critical and commercial success this show received resulted in it being held up as the bar for future series from Disney Television Animation to meet, with Disney themselves seemingly trying to recapture the formula with shows like ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'', ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales2017'', ''WesternAnimation/{{Amphibia}}'', and ''WesternAnimation/TheOwlHouse'' (the latter two being headed by GF alumini).
* While ''WesternAnimation/MiloMurphysLaw'' is was well received, its it's not seen as being on-par with the creators' previous show, ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb''. It doesn't help that the show's second season began with a crossover between the two series, followed by some characters becoming heavily integrated into the series. This led to a common complaint that MML, ''MML'', regardless of any writing improvements, is being overshadowed by its predecessor.
* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'': The critical and commercial success this show received resulted in it being held up as the bar for future series from Disney Television Animation to meet, with Disney themselves seemingly trying to recapture the formula with shows like ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'', ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales2017'', ''WesternAnimation/{{Amphibia}}'', and ''WesternAnimation/TheOwlHouse'' (the latter two being headed by GF alumini).
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** While the original ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' series is widely beloved, the various comic book continuations (especially ''[[ComicBook/AvatarTheLastAirbenderTheSearch The Search]]'') have gone on to receive a comparatively more mixed reception. Ater the series took off on Netflix, renewed interest in these continuations [[VindicatedByHistory improved their overall reputation]], but the cartoon is still held in higher regard.
** Meanwhile, sequel series ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' (and its own comic book continuations) are also a source of contention. In the years after its run, general consensus has averaged out to the show being good, but not to the level of its predecessor, with Book 3 considered the sole season of the show that was on par with the best of ''Airbender''. Meanwhile, Book 2 is near-universally derided as a franchise low point; even elements of the season which were widely praised on initial airing (namely the two-part OriginsEpisode) would [[CondemnedByHistory later become just as maligned as the rest]] by decent swaths of the fanbase.
* The original Creator/{{Fox}} seasons of ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' have built a reputation as a SacredCow, with a rabid fanbase hailing them as dripping with perfection. Both the DirectToVideo miniseries' and ''especially'' the Creator/ComedyCentral seasons have been doomed to the highest levels of scrutiny in comparison.

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** While the original ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' series is widely beloved, the various comic book continuations (especially ''[[ComicBook/AvatarTheLastAirbenderTheSearch The Search]]'') have gone on to receive a comparatively more mixed reception. Ater After the animated series took off on Netflix, saw a NewbieBoom following it being added to Creator/{{Netflix}} in the late 2010s, renewed interest in these continuations [[VindicatedByHistory improved their overall reputation]], but the cartoon is still held in higher regard.
** Meanwhile, sequel Sequel series ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' (and its own comic book continuations) are also a source of contention. In the years after its run, general consensus has averaged out to the show being good, but not to the level of its predecessor, with predecessor. While even ''Korra'''s detractors are willing to consider Book 3 considered the sole season of the show that was as being on par with the best of ''Airbender''. Meanwhile, ''Airbender'', Book 2 is near-universally nigh-universally derided as a franchise low point; even elements of the season which were widely praised on initial airing (namely the two-part OriginsEpisode) would [[CondemnedByHistory later become just as maligned as the rest]] by decent swaths of the fanbase.
* The original Creator/{{Fox}} seasons of ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' have built a reputation as a SacredCow, with a rabid fanbase hailing them as dripping with perfection. Both the DirectToVideo miniseries' and ''especially'' the later Creator/ComedyCentral and Creator/{{Hulu}} seasons have been doomed to the highest levels of scrutiny in comparison.



* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'':
** Season 4 was seen as a massive step up in quality, with it's two-part finale "Twilight's Kingdom" widely considered the series best episodes for its [[SeriesEscalation unprecedented action pieces and high stakes]], well-recived villain, and payoff for the Season's arc that [[NothingIsTheSameAnymore changed the shows dynamic]]. None of series' subsequent Season were was well received, only 5 and 7 being widely seen as comparably good but still falling short of Season 4. Meanwhile the series' later action focused/status-quo altering episodes, particularly the season finales and ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTheMovie The Movie]]'', would be criticized for failing to raise the bar "Twilight's Kingdom" set and be [[BrokenBase divisive]] at best quality.
** ''Franchise/MyLittlePonyGeneration5'' had the monumental challenge of being the SequelSeries to ''Friendship is Magic'', which turned ''My Little Pony" into a juggernaut for nearly a decade and even as later Seasons became increasingly divisive still had strong writing and characters. The pilot movie ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyANewGeneration'' while well received was divisive on how well it measured up, and the subsequent ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyMakeYourMark Make Your Mark]]'' and ''[[WebAnimation/MyLittlePonyTellYourTale Tell Your Tale]] were seen as failing to have the quality or maturity of ''Friendship is Magic'' or ''A New Generation'' despite being good enough it wouldn't have been worth complaining about if not for being followups to such well-received work.

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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'':
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** Season 4 of ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' was seen as a massive step up in quality, with it's its two-part finale "Twilight's Kingdom" widely considered the series series' best episodes episode for its [[SeriesEscalation unprecedented action pieces and high stakes]], well-recived stakes, threatening villain, and brilliant payoff for the Season's arc that season's story arc. No other season finale would be as widely-praised, with only Seasons 5 and 7 coming close; meanwhile, all future other action-focused or similarly [[NothingIsTheSameAnymore changed the shows dynamic]]. None of series' subsequent Season were was well received, only 5 and 7 being widely seen as comparably good but still falling short of Season 4. Meanwhile the series' later action focused/status-quo status-quo altering episodes, particularly the season finales and ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTheMovie episode]] (including ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTheMovie2017 The Movie]]'', Movie]]'') would be criticized for failing to raise the bar "Twilight's Kingdom" set and be [[BrokenBase divisive]] at best quality.
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** ''Franchise/MyLittlePonyGeneration5'' [[Franchise/MyLittlePonyGeneration5 Generation 5]] of the franchise had the monumental challenge of being the SequelSeries follow-up to [[Franchise/MyLittlePonyGeneration4 Generation 4]], whose flagship show ''Friendship is Magic'', which Magic'' and spin-offs like ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls Equestria Girls]]'' granted the brand a significant PeripheryDemographic that turned ''My Little Pony" Pony'' into a juggernaut for nearly a decade and even as later Seasons became increasingly divisive still had strong writing and characters. decade. The G5 pilot movie ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyANewGeneration'' ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyANewGeneration'', while well received was divisive well-received, had fans of G4 divided on how well it measured up, up to [=FiM=], and the subsequent ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyMakeYourMark Make Your Mark]]'' and ''[[WebAnimation/MyLittlePonyTellYourTale Tell Your Tale]] were similarly seen as failing to have live to the writing quality or maturity of ''Friendship is Magic'' or ''A New Generation'' despite being good enough it wouldn't have been worth complaining about if not for being followups to such well-received work.
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'': The critical and commercial success this show received resulted in it being held up not only as the bar for future series on Disney's networks to meet, but for Western children's animation as a whole. Fans of the series would spend the next several years comparing ''any'' show with a MythArc or any mystery elements to ''Gravity Falls'', with Disney themselves trying to recapture the formula with shows like ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'', ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales2017'', ''WesternAnimation/{{Amphibia}}'', and ''WesternAnimation/TheOwlHouse'' (the latter two being headed by GF alumini).
* ''WesternAnimation/OverTheGardenWall'' was Creator/CartoonNetwork's first original MiniSeries, and saw immediate critical and audience acclaim that cast a large shadow over all future miniseries that the network would produce, like ''WesternAnimation/LongLiveTheRoyals'', as well as shows that had their first seasons branded as such, like ''WesternAnimation/AppleAndOnion'' and ''WesternAnimation/InfinityTrain''. Even if the general consensus is highly positive (like with ''Infinity Train''), the question of "But is it as good as ''Over the Garden Wall''?" will inevitably pop up.

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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'': The critical and commercial success this show received resulted in it being held up not only as the bar for future series on Disney's networks from Disney Television Animation to meet, but for Western children's animation as a whole. Fans of the series would spend the next several years comparing ''any'' show with a MythArc or any mystery elements to ''Gravity Falls'', with Disney themselves seemingly trying to recapture the formula with shows like ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'', ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales2017'', ''WesternAnimation/{{Amphibia}}'', and ''WesternAnimation/TheOwlHouse'' (the latter two being headed by GF alumini).
* ''WesternAnimation/OverTheGardenWall'' was Creator/CartoonNetwork's first original MiniSeries, and saw immediate critical and audience acclaim that cast a large shadow over all future miniseries that the network would produce, like ''WesternAnimation/LongLiveTheRoyals'', as well as shows that had their first seasons branded as such, like ''WesternAnimation/AppleAndOnion'' and ''WesternAnimation/InfinityTrain''. Even if the general consensus is highly positive (like with ''Infinity Train''), positive, the question of "But is it as good as ''Over the Garden Wall''?" will inevitably pop up.

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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'': The season finales following the Season Four finale "Twilight's Kingdom" are this, with the two-parter being seen as having the best combination of action pieces, big character moments, adventure elements, stakes, and [[NothingIsTheSameAnymore shake-ups to the show's dynamic]] than any season finale before or since. Season 5's "The Cutie Re-Mark" is viewed as much more subdued and anti-climactic in comparison, with any shared elements being done to lesser effect, the Mane Five and other major characters being demoted to [[OutOfFocus background characters]] being something of a disappointment, and Starlight Glimmer's FreudianExcuse (and [[SixthRanger the resolution]] which results) being viewed unfavorably. Season 6's "To Where and Back Again" is even more underwhelming, having even less action and cinematic feel, a lack of the main characters in favor of Starlight leading some of the supporting characters in saving the day, and said group having no means of fighting back against the BigBad until the very end, where OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow. Season 7 and Season 8's finales only got ''more'' divisive.
** ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyMakeYourMark'' has this in spades, since it has the unenviable task of having to live up to ''Friendship is Magic'', the series that, even as its later seasons became more divisive, heavily redefined the My Little Pony franchise with its clever and more mature writing, deeper characters and interesting story arcs, and was a juggernaut for nearly a decade. Make Your Mark started things off on a fairly divisive note of [[spoiler: having the accomplishments of the Mane Six in G4 undone, and the ponies of the new generation having to rediscover the magic of friendship, an already tall order.]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'': The season finales following the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'':
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Season Four 4 was seen as a massive step up in quality, with it's two-part finale "Twilight's Kingdom" are this, with widely considered the two-parter being seen as having the series best combination of episodes for its [[SeriesEscalation unprecedented action pieces, big character moments, adventure elements, stakes, pieces and high stakes]], well-recived villain, and payoff for the Season's arc that [[NothingIsTheSameAnymore shake-ups to changed the show's dynamic]] than any shows dynamic]]. None of series' subsequent Season were was well received, only 5 and 7 being widely seen as comparably good but still falling short of Season 4. Meanwhile the series' later action focused/status-quo altering episodes, particularly the season finale before or since. Season 5's "The Cutie Re-Mark" is viewed as much more subdued and anti-climactic in comparison, with any shared elements being done to lesser effect, the Mane Five and other major characters being demoted to [[OutOfFocus background characters]] being something of a disappointment, and Starlight Glimmer's FreudianExcuse (and [[SixthRanger the resolution]] which results) being viewed unfavorably. Season 6's "To Where and Back Again" is even more underwhelming, having even less action and cinematic feel, a lack of the main characters in favor of Starlight leading some of the supporting characters in saving the day, and said group having no means of fighting back against the BigBad until the very end, where OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow. Season 7 and Season 8's finales only got ''more'' divisive.
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and ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTheMovie The Movie]]'', would be criticized for failing to raise the unenviable task bar "Twilight's Kingdom" set and be [[BrokenBase divisive]] at best quality.
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** ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyMakeYourMark'' has this in spades, since it has the unenviable task of having to live up to ''Friendship is Magic'', the series that, even as its later seasons became more divisive, heavily redefined the My Little Pony franchise with its clever and more mature writing, deeper characters and interesting story arcs, and was a juggernaut for nearly a decade. Make Your Mark started things off on a fairly divisive note of [[spoiler: having the accomplishments of the Mane Six in G4 undone, and the ponies of the new generation having to rediscover the magic of friendship, an already tall order.]]
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* Creator/JayWard is best known hands down for ''WesternAnimation/RockyAndBullwinkle'', popular during its original run and airing in reruns for decades. His other creations like ''WesternAnimation/HoppityHooper'' and ''WesternAnimation/GeorgeOfTheJungle'' aren't as well known while ''WesternAnimation/CrusaderRabbit'' is largely forgotten.

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* Creator/JayWard is best known hands down for ''WesternAnimation/RockyAndBullwinkle'', popular during its original run and airing in reruns for decades. His other creations like ''WesternAnimation/HoppityHooper'' and ''WesternAnimation/GeorgeOfTheJungle'' aren't as well known while ''WesternAnimation/CrusaderRabbit'' is largely forgotten.forgotten.
* ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012'' was beloved by fans, considered by many one of the best TMNT incarnations to date, and still has a passionate fanbase years later. ''WesternAnimation/RiseOfTheTeenageMutantNinjaTurtles'', while a good show in its own right, had the unenviable status of being that show's successor, especially given ''Rise'''s [[LaterInstallmentWeirdness changes to the TMNT formula]]. Fans were less than kind to it when it premiered, which may have played a part in its early cancellation (though in recent years, ''Rise'' has been VindicatedByHistory and now has a strong fanbase in its own right).
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** Anything past the acclaimed eighth season of ''The Simpsons'' gave the seasons following that a high standard to live up to.

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** Anything past the acclaimed eighth season of ''The Simpsons'' gave the seasons following that a high standard to live up to.to, considering how influential the show is to both comedy, sitcoms, and WesternAnimation as a whole.
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' is based on the original Franchise/SpiderMan stories with a similar balance of action, drama and humor, it also tends to use material from all eras of the comic's run and other sources such as the film series and the Ultimate Spider-Man comics. The series updated characters and stories for the 21st century while still being very faithful to its characters in the comics, and managed to fit a relatively high amount of depth. Unfortunately, Sony Pictures Television's rights to Spidey expired, which resulted in a premature cancellation, and the rise of a new cartoon: ''WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan2012''. Several Marvel fans dislike that it doesn't take itself very seriously, and the characters weren't as endearing. The high level of {{Cutaway Gag}}s in ''Ultimate Spider-Man'', especially in its early seasons, can make it unbearable to sit through for viewers wanting more drama and/or characterization.
* The first animated ''Comicstrip/{{Peanuts}}'' special, ''WesternAnimation/ACharlieBrownChristmas'', attracted half of the nation's TV viewers of its time, won an Emmy and a Peabody, and has continued to air every winter for over 50 years. The second, ''Charlie Brown's All-Stars'', didn't win any awards, and only aired sporadically afterwards. The fact [[WesternAnimation/ItsTheGreatPumpkinCharlieBrown Charlie Brown's second most popular TV special]] came a few months afterward probably pushed it even deeper into obscurity.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' is based on the original Franchise/SpiderMan ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan1963'' stories with a similar balance of action, drama and humor, it also tends to use material from all eras of the comic's run and other sources such as the film series and the Ultimate Spider-Man comics. The series updated characters and stories for the 21st century while still being very faithful to its characters in the comics, and managed to fit a relatively high amount of depth. Unfortunately, Sony Pictures Television's rights to Spidey expired, which resulted in a premature cancellation, and the rise of a new cartoon: ''WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan2012''. Several Marvel fans dislike that it doesn't take itself very seriously, and the characters weren't as endearing. The high level of {{Cutaway Gag}}s in ''Ultimate Spider-Man'', especially in its early seasons, can make it unbearable to sit through for viewers wanting more drama and/or characterization.
* The first animated ''Comicstrip/{{Peanuts}}'' ''ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}'' special, ''WesternAnimation/ACharlieBrownChristmas'', attracted half of the nation's TV viewers of its time, won an Emmy and a Peabody, and has continued to air every winter for over 50 years. The second, ''Charlie Brown's All-Stars'', didn't win any awards, and only aired sporadically afterwards. The fact [[WesternAnimation/ItsTheGreatPumpkinCharlieBrown Charlie Brown's second most popular TV special]] came a few months afterward probably pushed it even deeper into obscurity.
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* Creator/FreshTV's most popular series, by a very wide margin, is ''WesternAnimation/TotalDrama,'' which was a huge hit when it first premiered on Creator/{{Teletoon}} in 2007 (and even moreso after it came to Creator/CartoonNetwork in 2008). Even with the accusations of SeasonalRot in the show's later years, it's still more well-known and well-remembered than anything Fresh TV has produced before or since, including its predecessor ''{{WesternAnimation/Sixteen}}'', which while a popular show in its own right, never achieved ''Total Drama''[='=]s levels of success worldwide. Tellingly, the original cartoons that Fresh TV made following ''Total Drama'', ''{{WesternAnimation/Stoked}}'' and ''{{WesternAnimation/Grojband}}'', were both ShortRunners. While both shows gained cult followings, neither attracted broad interest or success - the former for [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks being too similar to Fresh TV's previous shows]] and the latter for [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks having a vastly different direction that limited its appeal with Fresh TV's usual audience.]] Since ''Grojband'''s conslusion in 2015, Fresh TV hasn't made any other original animated productions, instead building on the success of ''Total Drama'' with spinoffs like ''WesternAnimation/TotalDramaPresentsTheRidonculousRace'' and ''WesternAnimation/TotalDramaRama'', as well as a revival for Creator/HBOMax.

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* Creator/FreshTV's most popular series, by a very wide margin, is ''WesternAnimation/TotalDrama,'' which was a huge hit when it first premiered on Creator/{{Teletoon}} in 2007 (and even moreso after it came to Creator/CartoonNetwork in 2008). Even with the accusations of SeasonalRot in the show's later years, it's still more well-known and well-remembered than anything Fresh TV has produced before or since, including its predecessor ''{{WesternAnimation/Sixteen}}'', which while a popular show in its own right, never achieved ''Total Drama''[='=]s levels of success worldwide. Tellingly, the original cartoons that Fresh TV made following ''Total Drama'', ''{{WesternAnimation/Stoked}}'' and ''{{WesternAnimation/Grojband}}'', were both ShortRunners. While both shows gained cult followings, neither attracted broad interest or success - the former for [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks being too similar to Fresh TV's previous shows]] and the latter for [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks having a vastly different direction that limited its appeal with Fresh TV's usual audience.]] Since ''Grojband'''s conslusion in 2015, Fresh TV hasn't made any other original animated productions, instead building on the success of ''Total Drama'' with spinoffs like ''WesternAnimation/TotalDramaPresentsTheRidonculousRace'' and ''WesternAnimation/TotalDramaRama'', as well as a revival for Creator/HBOMax.[[Creator/{{Max}} HBO Max]].
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** Many animated series have tried to duplicate its successful format, but none have become quite the commercial and critical success with both children and adults. Yes, ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', and ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'' have all become commercial hits, but strictly with adults, and all of them are too crass and lowbrow vulgar for mainstream audiences; ''The Simpsons'' has somewhat of a more dignified stature, especially among adults. Even Creator/MattGroening's own follow-ups, ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/{{Disenchantment}}'', failed to attract the same colossal audience and are still nothing more than {{Cult Classic}}s; the former was cancelled twice and revived three times, and the latter, whilst being considered solid, has a much smaller audience than either previous show.

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** Many animated series have tried to duplicate its successful format, but none have become quite the commercial and critical success with both children and adults. Yes, ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', and ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'' have all become commercial hits, but strictly with adults, and all of them are too crass and lowbrow vulgar for mainstream audiences; ''The Simpsons'' has somewhat of a more dignified stature, especially among adults. Even Creator/MattGroening's own follow-ups, ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/{{Disenchantment}}'', failed to attract the same colossal audience and are still nothing more than {{Cult Classic}}s; the former was cancelled twice is in a seemingly perpetual cycle of cancellation and revived three times, [[UnCanceled revival]], and the latter, whilst being considered solid, has a much smaller audience than either previous show.
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** Many animated series have tried to duplicate its successful format, but none have become quite the commercial and critical success with both children and adults. Yes, ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', and ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'' have all become commercial hits, but strictly with adults, and all of them are too crass and lowbrow vulgar for mainstream audiences; ''The Simpsons'' has somewhat of a more dignified stature, especially among adults. Even Creator/MattGroening's own follow-ups, ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/{{Disenchantment}}'', failed to attract the same colossal audience and are still nothing more than {{Cult Classic}}s, with the former being cancelled and revived several times in a row and the latter, whilst being considered solid, has a much smaller audience.

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** Many animated series have tried to duplicate its successful format, but none have become quite the commercial and critical success with both children and adults. Yes, ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', and ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'' have all become commercial hits, but strictly with adults, and all of them are too crass and lowbrow vulgar for mainstream audiences; ''The Simpsons'' has somewhat of a more dignified stature, especially among adults. Even Creator/MattGroening's own follow-ups, ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/{{Disenchantment}}'', failed to attract the same colossal audience and are still nothing more than {{Cult Classic}}s, with Classic}}s; the former being was cancelled twice and revived several times in a row three times, and the latter, whilst being considered solid, has a much smaller audience.audience than either previous show.
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** On the topic, ''every'' animated show on ''Creator/{{Nickelodeon}}'' has had a hard time escaping the yellow sponge's shadow. The show was such a power house hit and continue to pull in high ratings even in the weaker seasons that most other shows on ''Nickelodeon'' have had a hard time thriving simply because of how much money [=SpongeBob=] pulls in. Many shows on the network have been cancelled simply because they couldn't even match a ''quarter'' of [=SpongeBob=]'s pull in ratings.
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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'':
** The season finales following the Season Four finale "Twilight's Kingdom" are this, with the two-parter being seen as having the best combination of action pieces, big character moments, adventure elements, stakes, and [[NothingIsTheSameAnymore shake-ups to the show's dynamic]] than any season finale before or since. Season 5's "The Cutie Re-Mark" is viewed as much more subdued and anti-climactic in comparison, with any shared elements being done to lesser effect, the Mane Five and other major characters being demoted to [[OutOfFocus background characters]] being something of a disappointment, and Starlight Glimmer's FreudianExcuse (and [[SixthRanger the resolution]] which results) being viewed unfavorably. Season 6's "To Where and Back Again" is even more underwhelming, having even less action and cinematic feel, a lack of the main characters in favor of Starlight leading some of the supporting characters in saving the day, and said group having no means of fighting back against the BigBad until the very end, where OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow. Season 7 and Season 8's finales only got ''more'' divisive.
** Season 5 in general is seen as a tough act to follow to Season 4, which was seen as [[WinBackTheCrowd a return to form]] for the show. From the aforementioned characters, Starlight Glimmer, and the Season finale, Season 5 is a hot point of contention because of the lack of any of the interesting arcs and stories Season 4 had[[note]]Season 4 had the Rainbow Chest/Rainbow Power overarching plot, Music/WeirdAl guest starring in a MusicalEpisode, the Power Ponies, the Equestria Games, the Breezies, weird bat transformations, the continuation of the Discord arc, etc.[[/note]] The mid-season hiatus didn't help matters either.
** Season 6 got hit with this even worse. While still considered a decent season by the fandom, it was criticized for the overarching plot of [[BaseBreakingCharacter Starlight Glimmer's]] redemption, not having enough standout episodes and a lot of the episodes suffering from poor comedy (including an over-reliance on cartoonish OffModel faces as the crux of jokes, sometimes multiple times within a single episode, to the extent where even scenes intended to play out seriously [[{{Narm}} accidentally devolve into dumb jokes]]) and TheyCopiedItSoItSucks.

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''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'': The season finales following the Season Four finale "Twilight's Kingdom" are this, with the two-parter being seen as having the best combination of action pieces, big character moments, adventure elements, stakes, and [[NothingIsTheSameAnymore shake-ups to the show's dynamic]] than any season finale before or since. Season 5's "The Cutie Re-Mark" is viewed as much more subdued and anti-climactic in comparison, with any shared elements being done to lesser effect, the Mane Five and other major characters being demoted to [[OutOfFocus background characters]] being something of a disappointment, and Starlight Glimmer's FreudianExcuse (and [[SixthRanger the resolution]] which results) being viewed unfavorably. Season 6's "To Where and Back Again" is even more underwhelming, having even less action and cinematic feel, a lack of the main characters in favor of Starlight leading some of the supporting characters in saving the day, and said group having no means of fighting back against the BigBad until the very end, where OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow. Season 7 and Season 8's finales only got ''more'' divisive. \n** Season 5 in general is seen as a tough act to follow to Season 4, which was seen as [[WinBackTheCrowd a return to form]] for the show. From the aforementioned characters, Starlight Glimmer, and the Season finale, Season 5 is a hot point of contention because of the lack of any of the interesting arcs and stories Season 4 had[[note]]Season 4 had the Rainbow Chest/Rainbow Power overarching plot, Music/WeirdAl guest starring in a MusicalEpisode, the Power Ponies, the Equestria Games, the Breezies, weird bat transformations, the continuation of the Discord arc, etc.[[/note]] The mid-season hiatus didn't help matters either.\n** Season 6 got hit with this even worse. While still considered a decent season by the fandom, it was criticized for the overarching plot of [[BaseBreakingCharacter Starlight Glimmer's]] redemption, not having enough standout episodes and a lot of the episodes suffering from poor comedy (including an over-reliance on cartoonish OffModel faces as the crux of jokes, sometimes multiple times within a single episode, to the extent where even scenes intended to play out seriously [[{{Narm}} accidentally devolve into dumb jokes]]) and TheyCopiedItSoItSucks.
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* ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'' had such a devoted and passionate fanbase that when ''WesternAnimation/BeastMachines'' premiered, it was held to an impressively high standard and unfortunately, in the eyes of many fans, did not meet expectations. And since then, ''Beast Wars'' has become almost like a measuring stick for newer Transformers shows to be compared to.
** The Transformers franchise suffers from this as a whole. Despite numerous reboots the 1984 series is considered the definitive version. Any new version is compared to it and rarely passes. Even ''Beast Wars'', the most successful reboot had hatedom for a while ([[TheyChangedItNowItSucks "Trukk not munky"]], ''et al'').
** One of the reasons why this situation results in numerous arguments among fans is because the ''Generation 1'' show and ''Beast Wars'' are seen as "the standard" for different reasons by different people. G1 for many fans ''is'' the definition of Transformers -- its concepts, the characters, the designs, the overall "feeling" of the show is what hard-core fans want to re-experience in every new cartoon. ''Beast Wars'', on the other hand (and nowadays ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' and ''WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime'' as well), is used as a comparison point because it is a generally good, solid, quality production. In short, [[BrokenBase part of the fandom]] strives for the preservation of details between the different TF iterations, while the other isn't so concerned about these, just want a show that's ''good'' in its own right.
** Another ''Transformers'' show that gets this is ''WesternAnimation/TransformersRobotsInDisguise'', which directly follows the generally well-regarded ''WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime''. The general consensus is that trying to be a sequel to ''Prime'' is ''[=RiD's=]'' entire problem; if taken as its own story that just happens to be [[SharedUniverse set in the same continuity]], it's pretty enjoyable and fun. However if taken as an epic continuation of ''Prime'', as the creators described it, than it stumbles badly, as ''[=RiD=]'' largely leaves ''Prime'' alone, merely using that show as a source of backstory.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheFlintstones'', being the first successful animated sitcom on TV proved particularly difficult to top, even for Creator/HannaBarbera themselves. They tried with ''WesternAnimation/TheJetsons'', but it never caught on quite the same way. Many Hanna-Barbera animated TV series after that failed to duplicate the enormous success ''The Flintstones'' had. Eventually the first animated TV sitcom hit to surpass the success of ''The Flintstones'' with children and adults would be from a completely different studio: a little show called ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons''.
* ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'':
** Many of the revivals have suffered from trying to live up to the quality of the original [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation Golden Age]] theatrical cartoons. That said, quite a few productions tried to avert this by intentionally going in a different direction from the original shorts, such as ''WesternAnimation/TheLooneyTunesShow'' going for a {{sitcom}} approach. The success of all these projects are [[BrokenBase mixed]], with all of them [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks having vocal detractors]], though [[WesternAnimation/LoonaticsUnleashed certain ones]] are more universally disliked than others.
** The 1959-1964 shorts (sometimes called the “red rings era”) are considered much better than what came afterwards, but nevertheless suffered from coming immediately after what is near-universally considered the studio’s best output: it’s hard to live up to such beloved classics as ''WesternAnimation/WhatsOperaDoc'', ''WesternAnimation/BirdsAnonymous'', or ''WesternAnimation/RobinHoodDaffy''.
* ''Franchise/ScoobyDoo'':
** It was a Hanna-Barbera series of which the studio tried desperately to duplicate the success, creating ''at least'' a dozen shows that utilized a "group of kids and a non-human sidekick solve mysteries" format. Of the many imitations that Hanna-Barbera themselves made, the best remembered in the decades that followed would either be ''WesternAnimation/{{Jabberjaw}}'' or ''WesternAnimation/JosieAndThePussycats''. And even then, people most likely know the former from a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn1pf0Xi3nU punk rock song]] made for Creator/CartoonNetwork that ''actively lampshades'' the show's status as a failed follow-up, and the latter for simply being based on Creator/ArchieComics characters that the company still continues to utilize.
** ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooMysteryIncorporated'' cast a noticeable shadow on subsequent TV shows based on Scooby-Doo, thanks to its DarkerAndEdgier atmosphere and overarching serialized mystery plot making it one of the best-received ''Scooby'' shows ever by both critics and fans. Even positive takes on the shows that followed, such as ''WesternAnimation/BeCoolScoobyDoo'' and ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooAndGuessWho'', receive responses of "cool, but it's no ''Mystery Inc.''" Especially the former show, as it went the opposite direction to have a much DenserAndWackier tone and art-style compared to ''Mystery Incorporated''.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'':
** Many animated series have tried to duplicate its successful format, but none have become quite the commercial and critical success with both children and adults. Yes, ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', and ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'' have all become commercial hits, but strictly with adults, and all of them are too crass and lowbrow vulgar for mainstream audiences; ''The Simpsons'' has somewhat of a more dignified stature, especially among adults. Even Creator/MattGroening's own follow-ups, ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/{{Disenchantment}}'', failed to attract the same colossal audience and are still nothing more than {{Cult Classic}}s, with the former being cancelled and revived several times in a row and the latter, whilst being considered solid, has a much smaller audience.
** Anything past the acclaimed eighth season of ''The Simpsons'' gave the seasons following that a high standard to live up to.
* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' has broken so much taboos and shocked so many audiences that no other TV series, animated or live-action, has been able to create a similar RefugeInAudacity show and stay on the air as long as they did. And even their imitators and successors don't dare to go as far as Creator/TreyParker and Creator/MattStone often go in their subject matter.
* The UnCanceled ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' has had similar problems living up to its first few seasons.
* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'':
** Every animated adaptation of the ComicBook/{{Batman}} character will inevitably be said to be inferior to ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'', and any voice actors to step into the role will find themselves compared unfavorably to Creator/KevinConroy (for Batman) or Creator/MarkHamill (for Joker).
-->'''[[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold Lumberjack]]:''' I always felt [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries Batman was best suited to the role of gritty urban crime detective]], but now you guys have [[DenserAndWackier got him up against Santas, and Easter bunnies?]] I'm sorry, but that's not '''my''' Batman!
** Creator/PeterWeller had to deal with this twice over in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'', as not only was his portrayal of Batman was being compared to Conroy's, but also to Creator/MichaelIronside, who voiced the Batman from ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'' in the episode [[Recap/TheNewBatmanAdventuresE19LegendsOfTheDarkKnight "The Legends of the Dark Knight".]] But as the segment didn't feature the Joker, Creator/MichaelEmerson was still only compared to Hamill.
* Just like its predecessor (''Batman: The Animated Series''), ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'' is very popular with fans and considered to be the definitive Superman adaptation to the point of which that the subsequent different adaptations focusing on the character (particularly the live-action ones) tend to be negatively compared to this series and considered inferior to it. It does help that ''Superman: TAS'' is more grounded (by Superman standards) than most adaptations while still managing to be lighthearted, entertaining, idealistic, adventurous, relatable, and extremely faithful to the source material and mythology of the original Superman comics with only some minor deviations (some of them have made it into the comics no less), which is one of the many things that the live action adaptations have failed to accomplish (as they tend to be either too campy, dramatic, or, as of recently, depressingly {{Wangst}}y and too different from the source material).
* ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'', fittingly for being the last animated series to come out of the ''DC'' animated universe, was ''very'' popular and is widely regarded as one of the best superhero shows ever made. Such reasons include, but are certainly not limited to: Their creative, compelling plots that manage humor and tragedy, bringing many heroes and villains into the spotlight, creating a very interesting and believable dynamic with their cast ''especially'' the core seven, and introducing many aspects of characters that were popular enough to turn into RetCanon. Unsurprisingly, many people are eager for the original cast to reprise their roles whenever any ''DC'' animated adaptation is announced. As such, many of the series that came afterwards often get some flak for not attaining that high bar that they felt the series set. This sentiment carries over to live-action adaptations as well, as it only increased after the release of ''Film/JusticeLeague2017''.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' is based on the original Franchise/SpiderMan stories with a similar balance of action, drama and humor, it also tends to use material from all eras of the comic's run and other sources such as the film series and the Ultimate Spider-Man comics. The series updated characters and stories for the 21st century while still being very faithful to its characters in the comics, and managed to fit a relatively high amount of depth. Unfortunately, Sony Pictures Television's rights to Spidey expired, which resulted in a premature cancellation, and the rise of a new cartoon: ''WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan2012''. Several Marvel fans dislike that it doesn't take itself very seriously, and the characters weren't as endearing. The high level of {{Cutaway Gag}}s in ''Ultimate Spider-Man'', especially in its early seasons, can make it unbearable to sit through for viewers wanting more drama and/or characterization.
* The first animated ''Comicstrip/{{Peanuts}}'' special, ''WesternAnimation/ACharlieBrownChristmas'', attracted half of the nation's TV viewers of its time, won an Emmy and a Peabody, and has continued to air every winter for over 50 years. The second, ''Charlie Brown's All-Stars'', didn't win any awards, and only aired sporadically afterwards. The fact [[WesternAnimation/ItsTheGreatPumpkinCharlieBrown Charlie Brown's second most popular TV special]] came a few months afterward probably pushed it even deeper into obscurity.
* ''WesternAnimation/AvengersAssemble'' has the misfortune of following ''WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'' among cartoons based on ''Franchise/TheAvengers''. After the series' announcement, fans ''already'' felt like cursing Marvel Animation for not going beyond 52 episodes of ''Earth's Mightiest Heroes'', despite the fact the announcement said nothing more than, "A new ''Avengers'' cartoon will come next year."
* When ''WesternAnimation/{{Recess}}'' premiered in 1997 as one of the premiere shows of Creator/OneSaturdayMorning, it attracted a huge fanbase (most being a part of the PeripheryDemographic) and critical acclaim, as well as being nominated for many awards (and winning one), getting a very successful [[WesternAnimation/RecessSchoolsOut movie]] (and two direct-to-video films), and gaining various types of merchandise, while the rest of the shows on the block eventually faded into obscurity. In 2001, the creators made another show for the block, ''WesternAnimation/LloydInSpace'', which despite getting very good ratings and reception, it never matched the popularity ''Recess'' had (and eventually got ScrewedByTheNetwork). The later ''[[WesternAnimation/PoundPuppies2010 Pound Puppies]]'' series from the same creators is also not looked on upon as fondly as ''Recess''.
* Creator/JohnKricfalusi hit the proverbial jackpot with the amazing success of ''WesternAnimation/RenAndStimpy'' in the 1990s. Most, if not all, of his subsequent cartoons have been widely panned, or at best receive a SoOkayItsAverage response.
* ''Franchise/AvatarTheLastAirbender'':
** While the original ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' series is widely beloved, the various comic book continuations (especially ''[[ComicBook/AvatarTheLastAirbenderTheSearch The Search]]'') have gone on to receive a comparatively more mixed reception. Ater the series took off on Netflix, renewed interest in these continuations [[VindicatedByHistory improved their overall reputation]], but the cartoon is still held in higher regard.
** Meanwhile, sequel series ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' (and its own comic book continuations) are also a source of contention. In the years after its run, general consensus has averaged out to the show being good, but not to the level of its predecessor, with Book 3 considered the sole season of the show that was on par with the best of ''Airbender''. Meanwhile, Book 2 is near-universally derided as a franchise low point; even elements of the season which were widely praised on initial airing (namely the two-part OriginsEpisode) would [[CondemnedByHistory later become just as maligned as the rest]] by decent swaths of the fanbase.
* The original Creator/{{Fox}} seasons of ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' have built a reputation as a SacredCow, with a rabid fanbase hailing them as dripping with perfection. Both the DirectToVideo miniseries' and ''especially'' the Creator/ComedyCentral seasons have been doomed to the highest levels of scrutiny in comparison.
* ''WesternAnimation/DannyPhantom'':
** Many fans of Creator/ButchHartman feel that ''WesternAnimation/TUFFPuppy'', ''WesternAnimation/BunsenIsABeast'', and the {{Post Script Season}}s of ''WesternAnimation/FairlyOddParents'' don't reach the same bar as this show, viewing the superhero action/comedy as his magnum opus.
** For the series itself, ''WesternAnimation/TheUltimateEnemy'' special is the most beloved episode of the series for its dark tone and memorable villain. As such, later episodes and the show's divisive third season failed to be as well-liked.
* ''Franchise/Ben10'':
** ''Ben 10'' is the most successful franchise created by Creator/ManOfActionStudios[[note]]though they were only heavily involved with [[WesternAnimation/Ben10 the original series]] and [[WesternAnimation/Ben102016 the reboot]][[/note]] by far, spawning five different television series (one being a ContinuityReboot) [[LongRunners spanning over 16 years]]. Meanwhile, Man Of Action's next project, ''WesternAnimation/GeneratorRex'', while geared to the same demographic [[MerchandiseDriven with a similar marketing push]], only lasted three seasons, the last of which had its final episodes burned out in an early morning [[FridayNightDeathSlot graveyard slot]].
** ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' had this problem with its villains. For BigBad, the first season had Malware, a terrifying and intelligent KnightOfCerebus who was [[EnsembleDarkhorse beloved by fans]] and had the unique gimmick of being an evil mechamorph trying to make his own Omnitrix. After him, none of the other villains were able to capture the same level of interest; the Incurseans, Albedo, the Rooters, Maltruant, and even classic baddies like Vilgax and Zs'Skayr just couldn't compare to him. His departure from the series is cited as one big reason the show went through SeasonalRot.
* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'':
** The season finales following the Season Four finale "Twilight's Kingdom" are this, with the two-parter being seen as having the best combination of action pieces, big character moments, adventure elements, stakes, and [[NothingIsTheSameAnymore shake-ups to the show's dynamic]] than any season finale before or since. Season 5's "The Cutie Re-Mark" is viewed as much more subdued and anti-climactic in comparison, with any shared elements being done to lesser effect, the Mane Five and other major characters being demoted to [[OutOfFocus background characters]] being something of a disappointment, and Starlight Glimmer's FreudianExcuse (and [[SixthRanger the resolution]] which results) being viewed unfavorably. Season 6's "To Where and Back Again" is even more underwhelming, having even less action and cinematic feel, a lack of the main characters in favor of Starlight leading some of the supporting characters in saving the day, and said group having no means of fighting back against the BigBad until the very end, where OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow. Season 7 and Season 8's finales only got ''more'' divisive.
** Season 5 in general is seen as a tough act to follow to Season 4, which was seen as [[WinBackTheCrowd a return to form]] for the show. From the aforementioned characters, Starlight Glimmer, and the Season finale, Season 5 is a hot point of contention because of the lack of any of the interesting arcs and stories Season 4 had[[note]]Season 4 had the Rainbow Chest/Rainbow Power overarching plot, Music/WeirdAl guest starring in a MusicalEpisode, the Power Ponies, the Equestria Games, the Breezies, weird bat transformations, the continuation of the Discord arc, etc.[[/note]] The mid-season hiatus didn't help matters either.
** Season 6 got hit with this even worse. While still considered a decent season by the fandom, it was criticized for the overarching plot of [[BaseBreakingCharacter Starlight Glimmer's]] redemption, not having enough standout episodes and a lot of the episodes suffering from poor comedy (including an over-reliance on cartoonish OffModel faces as the crux of jokes, sometimes multiple times within a single episode, to the extent where even scenes intended to play out seriously [[{{Narm}} accidentally devolve into dumb jokes]]) and TheyCopiedItSoItSucks.
* ''WesternAnimation/{{Amphibia}}'': Some viewers voiced disappointment when the first half of the third season saw a return to mostly episodic adventures (albeit with [[spoiler:the setting now shifted to Earth]]), feeling like the show had failed to capitalize on more compelling, serialized storytelling following the intensity of the Season 2 finale "True Colors". However, this resulted in something of a schism in the fanbase, as longtime fans accused those who made these complaints as being a MisaimedFandom, pointing to how the show had always used the HalfArcSeason format (the fact that many of those dissatisfied with Season 3A had started watching the show ''because'' of "True Colors" [[OldGuardVersusNewBlood did little to help with this accusation]]).
* ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'': Most people agree that the newer episodes have greatly suffered in comparison to the gold standard set by the first three seasons before the first movie and [[UnCanceled Un-Cancellation]]. The second movie was a return to form, but nevertheless isn't quite as beloved as the show itself. Second-half episodes that had to follow a beloved classic, such as "Home Sweet Pineapple" or "Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy V", are also seen as this to some people (with first-half episodes like "The Secret Box" and "Krabby Land" seen as the inverse of this).
* Every DC cartoon has had to deal with this since the end of the beloved and influential ''Franchise/DCAnimatedUniverse'', which was critically acclaimed for its faithful and mature treatment of the source material.
* ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack'' had a small problem after being {{Uncancelled}}; Creator/{{Mako}}, the voice for the [[EvilIsHammy deliciously evil Aku]], had died in the eleven years between the show's fourth and fifth season. He was replaced by Greg Baldwin, who had done the same for General Iroh in the last season of ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' following Mako's death, with generous consensus being that while Baldwin did a good job, he wasn't as good as Mako's Aku.
* Season 3 of ''WesternAnimation/{{Archer}}'' received acclaim from both critics and the fans, being considered one of the best seasons of television that year. Season 4, although still considered a good season, received criticism for less interesting, creative plots, and humour that didn't land quite as often.
* After the first season villain Nox who was both terrifying and very sympathetic, the second season villains of ''WesternAnimation/{{Wakfu}}'', Rushu and [[spoiler:Quilby]] felt rather lackluster, though the latter character has his defenders.
* ''WesternAnimation/NoddysToylandAdventures'', despite making some changes from the original books, was one of the most popular and faithful adaptations of the original ''Noddy'' books, and none of the revivals have been able to match its success in the UK.
* ''Franchise/WinnieThePooh'' also went through a number of TV series adaptations. The first ''Welcome to Pooh Corner'' is a live action variety show that has become largely obscure, though the second show ''WesternAnimation/TheNewAdventuresOfWinnieThePooh'' was not only an animated series incredibly loyal to the style of ''WesternAnimation/TheManyAdventuresOfWinnieThePooh'', but ran on a good animation budget, had creative and sometimes emotionally powerful story lines, a valid number of the original voice actors, and a catchy theme song, averting Disney's usual run with RecycledTheSeries by being considered a terrific companion piece to its respective film. While later shows, ''Series/TheBookOfPooh'' and ''WesternAnimation/MyFriendsTiggerAndPooh'' garnered a fan base, they were considered a significant step down from ''New Adventures''. Some even go far as to say the later feature length instalments pale compared to ''New Adventures''.
* ''WesternAnimation/{{Disenchantment}}'' is a fairly solid show on its own merits, but it has to live up to the fame of Creator/MattGroening's previous titles; the previously mentioned pop culture symbol that is LongRunner ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', as well the minor SacredCow and adored CultClassic ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}''. Both have huge fandoms and widespread recognition between both public and critics, so it's no wonder why some people felt underwhelmed by the new show.
* After ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'' had come to an end, it was believed that Creator/DisneyChannel had entered an animation slump and ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'' was the only successful cartoon remaining. It wouldn't be until the premiere of ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' that a new renissance of the channel would begin.
* While ''WesternAnimation/MiloMurphysLaw'' is well received, its not seen as being on-par with the creators' previous show, ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb''. It doesn't help that the show's second season began with a crossover between the two series, followed by some characters becoming heavily integrated into the series. This led to a common complaint that MML, regardless of any writing improvements, is being overshadowed by its predecessor.
* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'': The critical and commercial success this show received resulted in it being held up not only as the bar for future series on Disney's networks to meet, but for Western children's animation as a whole. Fans of the series would spend the next several years comparing ''any'' show with a MythArc or any mystery elements to ''Gravity Falls'', with Disney themselves trying to recapture the formula with shows like ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'', ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales2017'', ''WesternAnimation/{{Amphibia}}'', and ''WesternAnimation/TheOwlHouse'' (the latter two being headed by GF alumini).
* ''WesternAnimation/OverTheGardenWall'' was Creator/CartoonNetwork's first original MiniSeries, and saw immediate critical and audience acclaim that cast a large shadow over all future miniseries that the network would produce, like ''WesternAnimation/LongLiveTheRoyals'', as well as shows that had their first seasons branded as such, like ''WesternAnimation/AppleAndOnion'' and ''WesternAnimation/InfinityTrain''. Even if the general consensus is highly positive (like with ''Infinity Train''), the question of "But is it as good as ''Over the Garden Wall''?" will inevitably pop up.
* Creator/FreshTV's most popular series, by a very wide margin, is ''WesternAnimation/TotalDrama,'' which was a huge hit when it first premiered on Creator/{{Teletoon}} in 2007 (and even moreso after it came to Creator/CartoonNetwork in 2008). Even with the accusations of SeasonalRot in the show's later years, it's still more well-known and well-remembered than anything Fresh TV has produced before or since, including its predecessor ''{{WesternAnimation/Sixteen}}'', which while a popular show in its own right, never achieved ''Total Drama''[='=]s levels of success worldwide. Tellingly, the original cartoons that Fresh TV made following ''Total Drama'', ''{{WesternAnimation/Stoked}}'' and ''{{WesternAnimation/Grojband}}'', were both ShortRunners. While both shows gained cult followings, neither attracted broad interest or success - the former for [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks being too similar to Fresh TV's previous shows]] and the latter for [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks having a vastly different direction that limited its appeal with Fresh TV's usual audience.]] Since ''Grojband'''s conslusion in 2015, Fresh TV hasn't made any other original animated productions, instead building on the success of ''Total Drama'' with spinoffs like ''WesternAnimation/TotalDramaPresentsTheRidonculousRace'' and ''WesternAnimation/TotalDramaRama'', as well as a revival for Creator/HBOMax.
* ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'' became a global phenomenon and left a mark on popular culture ever since its appearance in 2013. Creator/JustinRoiland's next series, ''WesternAnimation/SolarOpposites'', is fairly well-regarded and was renewed for several seasons, but is nowhere near as popular and influential as ''Rick and Morty'' is...then again, ''Rick and Morty'' itself started out as a CultClassic prior to Season 3 bringing the show into the mainstream, so time will tell if ''Solar Opposites'' gets the same treatment.
* Creator/JayWard is best known hands down for ''WesternAnimation/RockyAndBullwinkle'', popular during its original run and airing in reruns for decades. His other creations like ''WesternAnimation/HoppityHooper'' and ''WesternAnimation/GeorgeOfTheJungle'' aren't as well known while ''WesternAnimation/CrusaderRabbit'' is largely forgotten.

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