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** Or the Doctor is just flat-out lying.



** This episode also features time travel that dives into TheMultiverse theory when the Doctor changes an event in his own timeline (namely, the end of the Time War). There's a hint that this was how it always was afterwards due to the lack of negative consequences, and the fact that the universe perceived that time was unchanged. The other super-timey-wimey moment is that it took 13 different Doctors to make it work, including one that could only exist thanks to the events of the NEXT episode.

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** This episode also features time travel that dives into TheMultiverse theory when the Doctor changes an event in his own timeline (namely, the end of the Time War). There's a hint that this was how it always was afterwards due to the lack of negative consequences, and the fact that the universe perceived that time was unchanged.unchanged (and the fact that once the episode is done, the two earlier Doctors won't remember). The other super-timey-wimey moment is that it took 13 different Doctors to make it work, including one that could only exist thanks to the events of the NEXT episode.


* ''Fanfic/TheRoadToShalka'' is a Whoniverse fic, so it had to happen. Specifically, it happens in ''Skypigs'', where the villain is trying to MakeWrongWhatOnceWentRight, two Doctors (with their respective entourages) stop him * * ''[[http://archiveofourown.org/works/471497/chapters/815855 Time v3.0]]'', doing its best to encompass all the chaotic mess that was the Time War, uses this trope up, down, and sideways.
together and we meet the companion's [[DeceasedParentsAreTheBest long-dead parents]]. Before they were a couple.

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* ''Fanfic/TheRoadToShalka'' is a Whoniverse fic, so it had to happen. Specifically, it happens in ''Skypigs'', where the villain is trying to MakeWrongWhatOnceWentRight, two Doctors (with their respective entourages) stop him * together and we meet the companion's [[DeceasedParentsAreTheBest long-dead parents]]. Before they were a couple.
* ''[[http://archiveofourown.org/works/471497/chapters/815855 Time v3.0]]'', doing 0]]'' does its best to encompass all the chaotic mess that was the Time War, uses this trope up, down, and sideways.
together and we meet the companion's [[DeceasedParentsAreTheBest long-dead parents]]. Before they were a couple.
sideways.


* [[Recap/DoctorWhoS32E13TheWeddingOfRiverSong "The Wedding of River Song"]] finally shows what happens if you alter a fixed point too much. All of time collapses, happening at once. You'll have Holy Roman Emperor UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill riding around on his personal mammoth while they discuss the political pressures caused by the War of the Roses, greet a Roman Centurion, and see a [[TheReptilians Silurian]] doctor for a check-up. Meanwhile, pterodactyls are considered pests and Charles Dickens appears on the news to talk about his new Christmas special. Only some people will be able to hang on to their memories of "correct" time. The date and the time will never ever change. They are the date and the time of when the fixed point was supposed to happen. If allowed to continue, time itself will break, causing [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E13JourneysEnd THE DESTRUCTION! OF REALITY! ITSELF!]]

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* [[Recap/DoctorWhoS32E13TheWeddingOfRiverSong "The Wedding of River Song"]] finally shows what happens if you alter a fixed point too much. All of time collapses, happening at once. You'll have Holy Roman Emperor UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill riding around on his personal mammoth while they discuss the political pressures caused by the War of the Roses, greet a Roman Centurion, and see a [[TheReptilians [[LizardFolk Silurian]] doctor for a check-up. Meanwhile, pterodactyls are considered pests and Charles Dickens appears on the news to talk about his new Christmas special. Only some people will be able to hang on to their memories of "correct" time. The date and the time will never ever change. They are the date and the time of when the fixed point was supposed to happen. If allowed to continue, time itself will break, causing [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E13JourneysEnd THE DESTRUCTION! OF REALITY! ITSELF!]]


* [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E4TheGirlInTheFireplace The Girl in the Fireplace"]]: The {{time portal}}s that include the titular fireplace are so unusual that the Doctor has to make up new terms to describe them, and once the characters use them, the TARDIS can't enter the same region.

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* [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E4TheGirlInTheFireplace "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E4TheGirlInTheFireplace The Girl in the Fireplace"]]: The {{time portal}}s that include the titular fireplace are so unusual that the Doctor has to make up new terms to describe them, and once the characters use them, the TARDIS can't enter the same region.


** On a more minor note, the Eighth Doctor also had three encounters with the Master despite his enemy being essentially dead at this point; during ''The Eight Doctors'', he saved the Third Doctor from an attack by the "Delgado" Master and spoke with the "Ainley" Master during the Sixth Doctor's trial, and ''Legacy of the Daleks'' saw him contribute to the events that caused the "Delgado" Master to be reduced to his burnt form.

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** On a more minor note, the Eighth Doctor also had three encounters with the Master despite his enemy being essentially dead at this point; point in the Doctor's life; during ''The Eight Doctors'', he saved the Eighth saves the Third Doctor from an attack by the "Delgado" Master and spoke with the "Ainley" Master during the Sixth Doctor's trial, and ''Legacy of the Daleks'' saw him contribute to the events that caused the "Delgado" Master to be reduced to his burnt form.



** The 8th Doctor saving Charlotte Pollard from her death on the R101 causes a paradox, meaning anti-time starts infecting the Universe, causing odd things with history to happen during the Eighth Doctor audio stories leading up to "Zagreus". For example, Shakespeare has disappeared from history (which is explained in "[[Recap/BigFinishDoctorWho032TheTimeOfTheDaleks The Time of the Daleks]]") and Benjamin Franklin was President. Finally, in "[[Recap/BigFinishDoctorWho033Neverland Neverland]]", Charley helps save the Web of Time, meaning that the paradox and anti-time infection become part of the Web of Time. To complicate matters further, she later travels with the Sixth Doctor, even though she shouldn't be alive at his point in the Doctor's timestream.

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** The 8th Doctor saving Charlotte Pollard from her death on the R101 causes a paradox, meaning anti-time starts infecting the Universe, causing odd things with history to happen during the Eighth Doctor audio stories leading up to "Zagreus". For example, Shakespeare has disappeared from history (which is explained in "[[Recap/BigFinishDoctorWho032TheTimeOfTheDaleks The Time of the Daleks]]") and Benjamin Franklin was President. Finally, in "[[Recap/BigFinishDoctorWho033Neverland Neverland]]", Charley helps save the Web of Time, meaning that the paradox and anti-time infection become part of the Web of Time. To complicate matters further, she later travels with the Sixth ''Sixth'' Doctor, even though she shouldn't be alive at his point in the Doctor's timestream.



** "[[Recap/BigFinishDoctorWho046FlipFlop Flip-Flop]]" features a very odd version of this trope, with an apparently StableTimeLoop between two alternate timelines, meaning there are two Seventh Doctor and Mel(s) who create one history by erasing another.

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** "[[Recap/BigFinishDoctorWho046FlipFlop Flip-Flop]]" features a very odd version of this trope, with an apparently StableTimeLoop between two alternate timelines, timelines (one where the assassination of a planetary leader caused a war and another where she survived and pursued a policy of excessive appeasement), meaning there are two Seventh Doctor and Mel(s) who create one history by erasing another.



** ''Imperial Moon'' opens with the Fifth Doctor revealing the existence of the time safe, a safe where the user puts things in later for prior use; the Doctor describes it as a permitted temporal paradox that should only be used for something truly important. In this case, the safe provides the Doctor and Turlough with a diary about a British expedition to the Moon in 1878, prompting the Doctor to go back to the date indicated in the diary and join the expedition after he reads about him and Turlough joining the expedition (the Doctor refusing to read any further to avoid the risk of being tempted to change his future).

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** ''Imperial Moon'' opens with the Fifth Doctor revealing the existence of the time safe, a safe where the user puts things in later for prior use; the Doctor describes it as a permitted temporal paradox that should only be used for something truly important. In this case, the safe provides the Doctor and Turlough with a diary about a British expedition to the Moon in 1878, prompting the Doctor to go back to the date indicated in the diary and join the expedition after he reads about him and Turlough joining meeting the expedition (the Doctor refusing to read any further to avoid the risk of being tempted to change his future).



* In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10503034/1/The-Choice The Choice]]'', the Tenth Doctor, Rose and Mickey are shocked to find the Chameleon-Arched Ninth Doctor working in a garage in the Powell Estate, the Doctor leaving Rose to keep an eye on his past self while he and Mickey try to retrace that period of the Ninth's life to work out what happened. They eventually determine that [[spoiler:after leaving Rose the first time, the Ninth Doctor visited various places to try and make subtle changes to history, which led to him being infected by a rare Dalek poison that can only infect Time Lords under specific circumstances, requiring him to use the Arch to escape being killed by the infection. In order to cure his past self, the Tenth Doctor has to inject himself with an antidote at three different points in his timestream, requiring him to not only inject himself and the human Ninth, but at one point he has to make contact with the ''Eighth'' Doctor and give him the antidote when he misses a chance to inject a younger Ninth from a point before he was exposed to the toxin in the first place]].

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* In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10503034/1/The-Choice The Choice]]'', the Tenth Doctor, Rose and Mickey are shocked to find the Chameleon-Arched Ninth Doctor working in a garage in the Powell Estate, the Doctor leaving Rose to keep an eye on his human past self while he and Mickey try to retrace that period of the Ninth's life to work out what happened. They eventually determine that [[spoiler:after leaving Rose the first time, the Ninth Doctor visited various places to try and make subtle changes to history, which led to him being infected by a rare Dalek poison that can only infect Time Lords under specific circumstances, requiring him to use the Arch to escape being killed by the infection. In order to cure his past self, the Tenth Doctor has to inject himself with an antidote at three different points in his timestream, requiring him to not only inject himself and the human Ninth, but at one point he has to make contact with the ''Eighth'' Doctor and give him the antidote when he misses a chance to inject a younger Ninth from a point before he was exposed to the toxin in the first place]].



* Paul Gadzikowski’s ‘The Father’ trilogy sees the Fifth and Eighth Doctors meet the Time Lord who would become the Doctor’s father before he’s even ‘conceived’ the Doctor, the Doctor subsequently arranging for his infant self to receive a good childhood. “[[http://www.iglou.com/members/scarfman/m1.htm Transformations]]” sees the Fifth Doctor take [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Admiral Kirk and others]] back in time to investigate Saavik’s origin after she’s identified as half-Time Lord (and hence the Doctor’s half-sister), “[[http://www.iglou.com/members/scarfman/ocb1.htm One Child Born]]” ends with the Doctor leaving his infant self to be raised by [[Series/LoisAndClark Lois and Clark]] so that he gets a suitable moral upbringing, and “[[http://www.iglou.com/members/scarfman/p1.htm Posterity]]” has the Eighth Doctor learn that his human DNA came from [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Buffy Summers]].

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* Paul Gadzikowski’s ‘The Father’ trilogy sees the Fifth and Eighth Doctors meet the Time Lord who would become the Doctor’s father before he’s even ‘conceived’ the Doctor, the Doctor subsequently arranging for his infant self to receive a good childhood. “[[http://www.iglou.com/members/scarfman/m1.htm Transformations]]” sees the Fifth Doctor take [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Admiral Kirk and others]] back in time to investigate Saavik’s origin after she’s identified as half-Time Lord (and hence the Doctor’s half-sister), “[[http://www.iglou.com/members/scarfman/ocb1.htm One Child Born]]” ends with the Doctor leaving his infant self to be raised by [[Series/LoisAndClark Lois and Clark]] so that he gets a suitable moral upbringing, and “[[http://www.iglou.com/members/scarfman/p1.htm Posterity]]” has the Eighth Doctor learn that his human DNA came from [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Buffy Summers]].Summers]] (making her [[RelatedInTheAdaptation the Doctor's mother]]).
* In "[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/3201344/14/Where-is-Hannah-Montana Where is Hannah Montana?]]", when [[Series/HannahMontana Miley Stewart and Lilly Truscott]] end up travelling with the Tenth Doctor]], at one point Robbie Ray has to assure Miley that she should keep travelling with the Doctor because a recent perusal of his wedding album has revealed that Miley was the singer at her parents' wedding, which they haven't been to yet. When Miley finally asks the Doctor to take her to visit her mother, [[spoiler:they find themselves facing an older version of a man they recently confronted who talks about how the Doctor, Miley and Lilly will contribute to his future defeat, again giving them advance notice of an event they haven't experienced yet]].


** On a more minor note, the Eighth Doctor also had three encounters with the Master despite his enemy being essentially dead at this point; during ''The Eight Doctors'', he saved the Third Doctor from an attack by the "Delgado" Master and spoke with the "Ainley" Master during the Sixth Doctor's trial, and ''Legacy of the Daleks'' saw him contribute to the events that caused the "Delgado" Master to be reduced to his burnt form.



** The 8th Doctor saving Charlotte Pollard from her death on the R101 causes a paradox, meaning anti-time starts infecting the Universe, causing odd things with history to happen during the 8th Doctor audio stories leading up to "Zagreus". For example, Shakespeare has disappeared from history (which is explained in "[[Recap/BigFinishDoctorWho032TheTimeOfTheDaleks The Time of the Daleks]]") and Benjamin Franklin was President. Finally, in "[[Recap/BigFinishDoctorWho033Neverland Neverland]]", Charley helps save the Web of Time, meaning that the paradox and anti-time infection become part of the Web of Time. To complicate matters further, she later travels with the 6th Doctor, even though she shouldn't be alive at his point in the Doctor's timestream.

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** The 8th Doctor saving Charlotte Pollard from her death on the R101 causes a paradox, meaning anti-time starts infecting the Universe, causing odd things with history to happen during the 8th Eighth Doctor audio stories leading up to "Zagreus". For example, Shakespeare has disappeared from history (which is explained in "[[Recap/BigFinishDoctorWho032TheTimeOfTheDaleks The Time of the Daleks]]") and Benjamin Franklin was President. Finally, in "[[Recap/BigFinishDoctorWho033Neverland Neverland]]", Charley helps save the Web of Time, meaning that the paradox and anti-time infection become part of the Web of Time. To complicate matters further, she later travels with the 6th Sixth Doctor, even though she shouldn't be alive at his point in the Doctor's timestream.


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** ''Imperial Moon'' opens with the Fifth Doctor revealing the existence of the time safe, a safe where the user puts things in later for prior use; the Doctor describes it as a permitted temporal paradox that should only be used for something truly important. In this case, the safe provides the Doctor and Turlough with a diary about a British expedition to the Moon in 1878, prompting the Doctor to go back to the date indicated in the diary and join the expedition after he reads about him and Turlough joining the expedition (the Doctor refusing to read any further to avoid the risk of being tempted to change his future).


* The novels have an equally insane version, in which the 8th Doctor (infected by [[TheVirus Faction Paradox biodata]]) ends up interfering slightly in the life of the 3rd Doctor, [[TemporalParadox leading to him regenerating on the wrong planet and being infected by Faction Paradox biodata]]. Of course, Literature/FactionParadox live and breathe this trope (as well as TemporalParadox) at the best of times. It's their [[PlanetOfHats hat]].

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* The novels have an equally insane version, in which the 8th Eighth Doctor (infected by [[TheVirus Faction Paradox biodata]]) ends up interfering slightly in the life of the 3rd Third Doctor, [[TemporalParadox leading to him regenerating on the wrong planet and being infected by Faction Paradox biodata]]. Of course, Literature/FactionParadox live and breathe this trope (as well as TemporalParadox) at the best of times. It's their [[PlanetOfHats hat]].



*"Goth Opera", the first novel in the ''Literature/DoctorWhoMissingAdventures'', sees the Fifth Doctor facing a vampire lord in the 1990s who was accidentally brought to Earth by the Seventh Doctor in "Blood Harvest" in the 1930s.



* In “[[https://www.whofic.com/viewstory.php?sid=6382 Déjà vu]]” (written before “[[ The Day of the Doctor]]”), a Time Lord plot draws the first ten Doctors to a pre-Time War Gallifrey, even though characters note that, from Gallifrey’s perspective, the Ninth and Tenth Doctors don’t exist ‘yet’ and shouldn’t have been drawn to a point in their past. The same plot sees [[spoiler:a Time Lord renegade using the first five Doctors to power a machine that can manipulate Gallifrey’s past, with some changes taking place even as the present remains the same, such as a timeline where the Second and Third Doctors died in the confrontation with Omega]].

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* In “[[https://www.whofic.com/viewstory.php?sid=6382 Déjà vu]]” (written before “[[ “[[Recap/DoctorWho50thASTheDayOfTheDoctor The Day of the Doctor]]”), a Time Lord plot draws the first ten Doctors to a pre-Time War Gallifrey, even though characters note that, from Gallifrey’s perspective, the Ninth and Tenth Doctors don’t exist ‘yet’ and shouldn’t have been drawn to a point in their past. The same plot sees [[spoiler:a Time Lord renegade using the first five Doctors to power a machine that can manipulate Gallifrey’s past, with some changes taking place even as the present remains the same, such as a timeline where the Second and Third Doctors died in the confrontation with Omega]].
*In the ''Series/DoctorWho''/''Series/{{Forever}}'' crossover "[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13371184/1/Forever-Doctors Forever Doctors]]", the Eighth Doctor finds a pair of Daleks from the Time War in New York, even though (from the Doctor’s perspective) the War hasn’t started yet. Later on, Lucie Miller meets with an agent of UNIT and is shown pictures of the various Doctors to identify which Doctor she's with, with the image of the Eighth Doctor being the more weathered Doctor of his relative future.
*Paul Gadzikowski’s ‘The Father’ trilogy sees the Fifth and Eighth Doctors meet the Time Lord who would become the Doctor’s father before he’s even ‘conceived’ the Doctor, the Doctor subsequently arranging for his infant self to receive a good childhood. “[[http://www.iglou.com/members/scarfman/m1.htm Transformations]]” sees the Fifth Doctor take [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Admiral Kirk and others]] back in time to investigate Saavik’s origin after she’s identified as half-Time Lord (and hence the Doctor’s half-sister), “[[http://www.iglou.com/members/scarfman/ocb1.htm One Child Born]]” ends with the Doctor leaving his infant self to be raised by [[Series/LoisAndClark Lois and Clark]] so that he gets a suitable moral upbringing, and “[[http://www.iglou.com/members/scarfman/p1.htm Posterity]]” has the Eighth Doctor learn that his human DNA came from [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Buffy Summers]].

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* ''{{FanFic/Gemini}},'' this trope is [[InvokedTrope invoked]] so as to [[DefiedTrope defy]] StableTimeLoop: It’s easier for the Daleks to change the past than it is for anybody else, so the military is trying to create super-soldiers that can change the timeline as easily as the Daleks can.
* In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10503034/1/The-Choice The Choice]]'', the Tenth Doctor, Rose and Mickey are shocked to find the Chameleon-Arched Ninth Doctor working in a garage in the Powell Estate, the Doctor leaving Rose to keep an eye on his past self while he and Mickey try to retrace that period of the Ninth's life to work out what happened. They eventually determine that [[spoiler:after leaving Rose the first time, the Ninth Doctor visited various places to try and make subtle changes to history, which led to him being infected by a rare Dalek poison that can only infect Time Lords under specific circumstances, requiring him to use the Arch to escape being killed by the infection. In order to cure his past self, the Tenth Doctor has to inject himself with an antidote at three different points in his timestream, requiring him to not only inject himself and the human Ninth, but at one point he has to make contact with the ''Eighth'' Doctor and give him the antidote when he misses a chance to inject a younger Ninth from a point before he was exposed to the toxin in the first place]].
* In “[[https://www.whofic.com/viewstory.php?sid=6382 Déjà vu]]” (written before “[[ The Day of the Doctor]]”), a Time Lord plot draws the first ten Doctors to a pre-Time War Gallifrey, even though characters note that, from Gallifrey’s perspective, the Ninth and Tenth Doctors don’t exist ‘yet’ and shouldn’t have been drawn to a point in their past. The same plot sees [[spoiler:a Time Lord renegade using the first five Doctors to power a machine that can manipulate Gallifrey’s past, with some changes taking place even as the present remains the same, such as a timeline where the Second and Third Doctors died in the confrontation with Omega]].
* In ''[[https://www.whofic.com/viewstory.php?sid=30676 Protect and Survive]]'', the Seventh Doctor learns that his insane Thirteenth incarnation has changed human history through a particularly convoluted plan that culminates in nuclear war in 1962 in order to prevent the Doctor from ever having human companions, as the older Doctor now believes that those companions made him too weak to stop the Time War. The two incarnations confront each other in 1936, the earliest date when history diverged from the timeline the Seventh knew, but the Thirteenth states that he's gone back and forth through time so often that there's no way for the Seventh to find the 'earliest' point in his timeline when he started his current plan and cut him off that way. The Thirteenth confidently predicts that, once his changes to the timeline have settled, the 'new' Doctor will find a paradox-proof box of instructions he sent to his past self's TARDIS so that the new Doctor can set up that same chain of events as he will now be ruthless enough to do, but [[spoiler:the Seventh Doctor stops this plan by committing suicide. As the Doctor 'now' killed himself before the Thirteenth could go through with any part of his plan, the original timeline is restored, and when the Seventh Doctor discovers the instructions left by the insane Thirteenth, they only leave him all the more committed to the idea that he cannot allow himself to become the version of himself capable of such insanity]].
* Various examples in ''Fanfic/TwilightStorm'', including;
** Bella meets UNIT in 2010, and they have records of her time with the Doctor from a trip she will make to the Doctor's original UNIT colleagues in the 1970s in her personal future.
** The Tenth Doctor takes Bella to visit his old friend Steven Taylor, but Steven has already met Bella when circumstances in her future led to her going back in time to help the First Doctor and Steven with a crisis.
** In ''The Day Of the Doctor'', Bella is thrown to meet the Eleventh Doctor who talks of their relationship as something long in the past and has to reconcile that with the Doctor she knows in the present.
** In ''The Funeral'', Bella meets the Eleventh Doctor at a point after she parted with the Tenth Doctor but before his involvement in ''Day of the Doctor''.
* ''Fanfic/TheRoadToShalka'' is a Whoniverse fic, so it had to happen. Specifically, it happens in ''Skypigs'', where the villain is trying to MakeWrongWhatOnceWentRight, two Doctors (with their respective entourages) stop him * * ''[[http://archiveofourown.org/works/471497/chapters/815855 Time v3.0]]'', doing its best to encompass all the chaotic mess that was the Time War, uses this trope up, down, and sideways.
together and we meet the companion's [[DeceasedParentsAreTheBest long-dead parents]]. Before they were a couple.
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** "[[Recap/BigFinishDoctorWhoNEDASRavenous3E2CompanionPiece Companion Piece]]" features River Song (a character who was only born 'after' the Time War) being captured by the Nine, a pre-Time War Time Lord, and forced to tell him about the Doctor's companions as the Nine decides to try and create a "collection" of every person the Doctor has ever travelled with. At one point, the Nine attempts to capture Bliss, a student who met and travelled with the Eighth Doctor ''during'' the Time War, but as the War hasn't happened "yet" as far as the wider universe is concerned, Bliss is a computer sciences student rather than a student of temporal theory and has absolutely no idea who the Doctor is (River avoids giving the Nine details of the future by explaining that Bliss was subject to a "complex temporal event" before she met the Doctor).



** ''Asylum'' starts off with Nyssa being picked up by a young Fourth Doctor, long after she had departed from the ''Fifth'' Doctor. Both she and he seem embarrassed about the situation and the Doctor specifically asks her not to tell him any details that could lead to a paradox, euphemistically describing it as "saving it for a nice surprise". She then discovers that the research she was doing on Roger Bacon has inexplicably changed into research on Isambard Kingdom-Brunel, forcing them to head back in time to Bacon's time to discover what caused the future to change.

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** ''Asylum'' starts off with Nyssa being picked up by a young Fourth Doctor, long after she had departed from the ''Fifth'' Doctor. Both she and he seem embarrassed about the situation and the Doctor specifically asks her not to tell him any details that could lead to a paradox, euphemistically describing it as "saving it for a nice surprise". She then discovers that the research she was doing on Roger Bacon has inexplicably changed into research on Isambard Kingdom-Brunel, forcing them to head back in time to Bacon's time to discover what caused the future to change. When the crisis concludes, the Doctor nonchalantly claims that he can travel with the younger Nyssa knowing that she will be all right, but both privately recognise that the Doctor's knowledge of Nyssa's future means that he will have to take care of her when she becomes his companion later.



** ''Warmonger'' is a sequel and prequel to "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS13E5TheBrainOfMorbius The Brain of Morbius]]"; the Fifth Doctor is forced to go to Karn to get medical help for Peri after a serious injury and ends up becoming caught up in Morbius's original military campaign, to the extent that the Doctor must form a military alliance of various old enemies, such as the Sontarans, Cybermen and Ogrons, to oppose Morbius's forces.

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** ''Warmonger'' is a sequel and prequel to "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS13E5TheBrainOfMorbius The Brain of Morbius]]"; the Fifth Doctor is forced to go to Karn to get medical help for Peri after a serious injury and ends up becoming caught up in Morbius's original military campaign, to the extent that the Doctor must form a military alliance of various old enemies, such as the Sontarans, Cybermen and Ogrons, to oppose Morbius's forces.forces and thus ensure his defeat and subsequent near-execution.


** "[[Recap/BigFinishDoctorWho046FlipFlop Flip-Flop]]" features a very odd version of this trope, with an apparently StableTimeLoop between two alternate timelines, meaning there are two Seventh Doctor and Mel(s).

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** "[[Recap/BigFinishDoctorWho046FlipFlop Flip-Flop]]" features a very odd version of this trope, with an apparently StableTimeLoop between two alternate timelines, meaning there are two Seventh Doctor and Mel(s).Mel(s) who create one history by erasing another.



** ''Warmonger'' is a sequel and prequel to "[[ The Brain of Morbius]]"; the Fifth Doctor is forced to go to Karn to get medical help for Peri after a serious injury and ends up becoming caught up in Morbius's original military campaign, to the extent that the Doctor must form a military alliance of various old enemies, such as the Sontarans, Cybermen and Ogrons, to oppose Morbius's forces.

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** ''Warmonger'' is a sequel and prequel to "[[ "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS13E5TheBrainOfMorbius The Brain of Morbius]]"; the Fifth Doctor is forced to go to Karn to get medical help for Peri after a serious injury and ends up becoming caught up in Morbius's original military campaign, to the extent that the Doctor must form a military alliance of various old enemies, such as the Sontarans, Cybermen and Ogrons, to oppose Morbius's forces.


** The 8th Doctor saving Charlotte Pollard from her death on the R101 causes a paradox, meaning anti-time starts infecting the Universe, causing odd things with history to happen during the 8th Doctor audio stories leading up to "Zagreus". For example, Shakespeare has disappeared from history (which is explained in "Time of the Daleks") and Benjamin Franklin was President. Finally, in "Neverland", Charley helps save the Web of Time, meaning that the paradox and anti-time infection become part of the Web of Time. To complicate matters further, she later travels with the 6th Doctor, even though she shouldn't be alive at his point in the Doctor's timestream.
** "Seasons of Fear" has a very complicated Timey-Wimey Ball. The Doctor goes back in time to stop Sebastian Grayle, because Grayle prompted him in an artificial alternate timeline in which the Doctor hadn't even met him yet. Grayle then develops a hatred for him, eventually leading to him creating an artificial alternate timeline. To make this more complicated, it isn't clear how the Doctor met this Sebastian Grayle, as in 1806, [[spoiler:Grayle goes back in time and is killed by his past self]].
** "The Foe from the Future" features the Doctor giving various speeches about how the human brain just isn't physically capable of understanding the necessary complex temporal equations to explain why Jalnik's original plan of mass evacuation into the past is a bad idea, or how [[spoiler:Shibac can exist in the past even after his future has been erased]].
** "Flip-Flop" features a very odd version of this trope, with an apparently StableTimeLoop between two alternate timelines, meaning there are two 7th Doctor and Mel(s).
** "Jubilee" involves the Doctor going into a divergent universe, but about a hundred years after it has diverged, with the Sixth Doctor experiencing FlashSideways and remembering being in a Dalek war a hundred years ago. Then the Doctor ends up accidentally causing the war a hundred years ago in the past that created that [[ForWantOfANail divergent timeline]], only it's actually happening then as well, because the Doctor's presence caused the timelines to merge, somehow. Then the Dalek survivor of the war a century ago [[TalkingTheMonsterToDeath talks the invasion fleet into suicide]], which unmakes the alternate universe and resets the timeline. It makes a lot more emotional sense than it makes logical sense (a sentence which just summarizes the whole darn show).
* The ''Literature/PastDoctorAdventures'' book ''Asylum'' starts off with Nyssa being picked up by a young Fourth Doctor, long after she had departed from the ''Fifth'' Doctor. Both she and he seem embarrassed about the situation and the Doctor specifically asks her not to tell him any details that could lead to a paradox, euphemistically describing it as "saving it for a nice surprise". She then discovers that the research she was doing on Roger Bacon has inexplicably changed into research on Isambard Kingdom-Brunel, forcing them to head back in time to Bacon's time to discover what caused the future to change.

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** The 8th Doctor saving Charlotte Pollard from her death on the R101 causes a paradox, meaning anti-time starts infecting the Universe, causing odd things with history to happen during the 8th Doctor audio stories leading up to "Zagreus". For example, Shakespeare has disappeared from history (which is explained in "Time "[[Recap/BigFinishDoctorWho032TheTimeOfTheDaleks The Time of the Daleks") Daleks]]") and Benjamin Franklin was President. Finally, in "Neverland", "[[Recap/BigFinishDoctorWho033Neverland Neverland]]", Charley helps save the Web of Time, meaning that the paradox and anti-time infection become part of the Web of Time. To complicate matters further, she later travels with the 6th Doctor, even though she shouldn't be alive at his point in the Doctor's timestream.
** "Seasons "[[Recap/BigFinishDoctorWho030SeasonsOfFear Seasons of Fear" Fear]]" has a very complicated Timey-Wimey Ball. The Doctor goes back in time to stop Sebastian Grayle, because Grayle prompted him in an artificial alternate timeline in which the Doctor hadn't even met him yet. Grayle then develops a hatred for him, eventually leading to him creating an artificial alternate timeline. To make this more complicated, it isn't clear how the Doctor met this Sebastian Grayle, as in 1806, [[spoiler:Grayle goes back in time and is killed by his past self]].
** "The "[[Recap/BigFinishDoctorWhoTLSFDBE1TheFoeFromTheFuture The Foe from the Future" Future]]" features the Doctor giving various speeches about how the human brain just isn't physically capable of understanding the necessary complex temporal equations to explain why Jalnik's original plan of mass evacuation into the past is a bad idea, or how [[spoiler:Shibac can exist in the past even after his future has been erased]].
** "Flip-Flop" "[[Recap/BigFinishDoctorWho046FlipFlop Flip-Flop]]" features a very odd version of this trope, with an apparently StableTimeLoop between two alternate timelines, meaning there are two 7th Seventh Doctor and Mel(s).
** "Jubilee" "[[Recap/BigFinishDoctorWho040Jubilee Jubilee]]" involves the Doctor going into a divergent parallel universe, but about a hundred years after it has diverged, with the Sixth Doctor experiencing FlashSideways and remembering being in a Dalek war a hundred years ago. Then the Doctor ends up accidentally causing the war a hundred years ago in the past that created that [[ForWantOfANail divergent timeline]], only it's actually happening then as well, because the Doctor's presence caused the timelines to merge, somehow. Then the Dalek survivor of the war a century ago [[TalkingTheMonsterToDeath talks the invasion fleet into suicide]], which unmakes the alternate universe and resets the timeline. It makes a lot more emotional sense than it makes logical sense (a sentence which just summarizes the whole darn show).
* The ''Literature/PastDoctorAdventures'' book ''Literature/PastDoctorAdventures''
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''Asylum'' starts off with Nyssa being picked up by a young Fourth Doctor, long after she had departed from the ''Fifth'' Doctor. Both she and he seem embarrassed about the situation and the Doctor specifically asks her not to tell him any details that could lead to a paradox, euphemistically describing it as "saving it for a nice surprise". She then discovers that the research she was doing on Roger Bacon has inexplicably changed into research on Isambard Kingdom-Brunel, forcing them to head back in time to Bacon's time to discover what caused the future to change.change.
** ''Festival of Death'' starts with the Fourth Doctor, Romana and K9 arriving on the G-Lock, a space station existing on a breach into hyperspace, where they find that everyone present already recognises them, to the extent that they are arrested and accused of the recent attack by the station supervisor and find that they have already arranged for someone to come and let them out. Over the course of the novel, they have to go back in time three more times to ensure that they have met everyone they have to meet; at one point there are two different versions of the Doctor and Romana on the station at once, the second versions taking care to avoid meeting their younger selves.
** ''Warmonger'' is a sequel and prequel to "[[ The Brain of Morbius]]"; the Fifth Doctor is forced to go to Karn to get medical help for Peri after a serious injury and ends up becoming caught up in Morbius's original military campaign, to the extent that the Doctor must form a military alliance of various old enemies, such as the Sontarans, Cybermen and Ogrons, to oppose Morbius's forces.


* A "turnpoint moment" is mentioned in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS33E8ColdWar "Cold War"]]; the Doctor describes it as an "opportunity" here, stating that the rocky peace negotiations going on in this episode could really change the future to an outcome where humans and Silurians live in peace ever after. The eventual results are... mixed.

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* A "turnpoint moment" is mentioned in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS33E8ColdWar [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E9ColdBlood "Cold War"]]; Blood"]]; the Doctor describes it as an "opportunity" here, stating that the rocky peace negotiations going on in this episode could really change the future to an outcome where humans and Silurians live in peace ever after. The eventual results are... mixed.


* [[Recap/DoctorWhoS38E3Orphan55 "Orphan 55"]]: The Doctor's speech at the end about how [[spoiler:Orphan 55 is only one potential future for the Earth out of many]] relies on the Multiverse theory of time travel (every action creates a new timeline). Apart from the Tenth Doctor's explanation about the existence of parallel universes in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E12ArmyOfGhosts "Army of Ghosts"]], the show has ''never'' explicitly used this in all of its great timey-wimey history. It is possible, however, [[spoiler:that the Doctor was just saying that in order to cheer up her companions...]]

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* [[Recap/DoctorWhoS38E3Orphan55 "Orphan 55"]]: The Doctor's speech at the end about how [[spoiler:Orphan 55 is only one potential future for the Earth out of many]] relies on the Multiverse theory of time travel (every action creates a new timeline). Apart from the Tenth Doctor's explanation about the existence of parallel universes in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E12ArmyOfGhosts "Army of Ghosts"]], the show has ''never'' explicitly used this in all of its great timey-wimey history. It is possible, however, [[spoiler:that the Doctor was just saying that in order to cheer up her companions...]]]] (In addition, [[spoiler:the Doctor has encountered various conflicting and incompatible futures of humanity and the Earth,]] so this wouldn't exactly be the first time the show's done something like this.)


* [[Recap/DoctorWhoS38E3Orphan55 "Orphan 55"]]: The Doctor's speech at the end about how [[spoiler:Orphan 55 is only one potential future for the Earth out of many]] relies on the Multiverse theory of time travel (every action creates a new timeline). Apart from the Tenth Doctor's explanation about the existence of parallel universes in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E12ArmyOfGhosts "Army of Ghosts"]], the show has ''never'' explicitly used this in all of its great timey-wimey history. It is possible, however, [[spoiler:that the Doctor was just saying that in order to cheer up her companions...]]



** The 8th Doctor saving Charlotte Pollard from her death on the R101 causes a paradox, meaning anti-time starts infecting the Universe, causing odd things with history to happen during the 8th Doctor audio stories leading up to Zagreus. For example, Shakespeare has disappeared from history (which is explained in "Time of the Daleks") and Benjamin Franklin was President. Finally, in "Neverland", Charley helps save the Web of Time, meaning that the paradox and anti-time infection become part of the Web of Time. To complicate matters further, she later travels with the 6th Doctor, even though she shouldn't be alive at his point in the Doctor's timestream.

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** The 8th Doctor saving Charlotte Pollard from her death on the R101 causes a paradox, meaning anti-time starts infecting the Universe, causing odd things with history to happen during the 8th Doctor audio stories leading up to Zagreus."Zagreus". For example, Shakespeare has disappeared from history (which is explained in "Time of the Daleks") and Benjamin Franklin was President. Finally, in "Neverland", Charley helps save the Web of Time, meaning that the paradox and anti-time infection become part of the Web of Time. To complicate matters further, she later travels with the 6th Doctor, even though she shouldn't be alive at his point in the Doctor's timestream.

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