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* It is hard not to feel bad for Leo. She has been a sweet girl through out the season. Tried so hard to keep her family together (learning how to fix stuffs and keep best grade at school) despite being a little girl and the seemingly loss of her father. Yet she got punched in the face by her brother in earlier episode. Now out of nowhere her mother and brother get abducted by two of Billy's men disguised as police officers. The frightened, lost and confused on her face as she wandered in a park will make you shed a tear for her.
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** Then there's the moment when she finally see her father, someone she thought she lost a year ago. Poor girl had to take quite some time to process the person she's looking at is real. Her reaction as she hugs Micro totally speak how she suddenly feels safe again when all hopes are gone
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* It is hard not to feel bad for Leo. She has been a sweet girl through out the season. Tried so hard to keep her family together (learning how to fix stuffs and keep best grade at school) despite being a little girl and the seemingly loss of her father. Yet she got punched in the face by her brother in earlier episode. Now out of nowhere her mother and brother get abducted by two of Billy's men disguised as police officers. The frightened, lost and confused look on her face as she wandered in a park will make you shed a tear for her.
** Then there's the moment when she finallysee sees her father, someone she thought she lost a year ago. Poor girl had to take quite some time to process the person she's looking at is real. Her reaction as she hugs Micro totally speak how she suddenly feels safe again when all hopes are gonegone.
** Then there's the moment when she finally
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* Talk about Sam Stein's death. Stein was a very decent guy, and to see him die the way he does at Billy Russo's hands makes it all the more worse. Especially for Dinah, who had already lost another partner in the line of duty over in Afghanistan.
** From Stein's perspective, this easily crosses into NightmareFuel. He knows that the smooth, sexy guy that his boss and friend is seeing is a cold-blooded murderer... and finds this out moments before he bleeds to death. Even worse, he's drowning in his own blood and unable to speak. You can see him whimpering "Billy, Billy" as he's choking on his own blood, but Dinah's shouting over him causes her to not hear that.
** From Stein's perspective, this easily crosses into NightmareFuel. He knows that the smooth, sexy guy that his boss and friend is seeing is a cold-blooded murderer... and finds this out moments before he bleeds to death. Even worse, he's drowning in his own blood and unable to speak. You can see him whimpering "Billy, Billy" as he's choking on his own blood, but Dinah's shouting over him causes her to not hear that.
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* Talk about Sam Stein's death. Sam. Stein was a very decent guy, the closest thing to a comic relief this show has, and to see him die the way he does at Billy Russo's hands makes it all the more worse. Especially for Dinah, who had already lost another partner in the line of duty over in Afghanistan.
** From Stein's perspective, this easily crosses into NightmareFuel. Heknows spends his dying moments processing the realization that the smooth, sexy guy that his boss and friend is seeing is a cold-blooded murderer... and finds this out moments before he bleeds to death.cop killer. Even worse, he's drowning in his own blood and unable to speak. You can see him whimpering "Billy, Billy" as he's choking on his own blood, but Dinah's shouting over him causes her to not hear that.
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* We learn how exactly Curtis lost his leg: it was to a pregnant suicide bomber, who killed a kid in addition to maiming Curtis. Frank is has been torn up about it ever since because he was supposed to be securing the area, but he didn't stop or shoot the bomber because she was a woman and she was pregnant, like Maria back home.was at the time.
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** After telling the story Frank - in not a angry tone but a sad "almost like he’s about to breakdown himself" tone - tells Karen that he ‘’has’’ to kill all the people responsible for the death of his family. Frank, as much as he probably wants to, can’t let this go and Karen, for all her protest, ‘’knows’’ he can’t.
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** After telling the story Frank - in not a angry tone but a sad "almost like he’s about to breakdown himself" tone - tells Karen that he ‘’has’’ ''has'' to kill all the people responsible for the death of his family. Frank, as much as he probably wants to, can’t let this go and Karen, for all her protest, ‘’knows’’ ''knows'' he can’t.
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** At one con, Jon Bernthal hinted that either this scene or the scene in Karen's apartment had in fact been longer and had them actually discuss Matt's "death", but it was cut for time.
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* Toward the end of Frank's big fight with Russo. After breaking Russo's arm and brutally running half his face of broken glass, Frank has Russo by the hair and a knife at his throat. While Russo had done some terrible things, this moment just before frank ends the fight is very hard hitting. These two men used to be friends and Russo did genuinely care about Frank and his family. The beginning of the episode showed how close Russo was with Frank and his family. Now the both of them are a mess, severely twisted and broken inside. When Frank has Russo look at himself in the mirror, Russo's look is one of despair and pain. While he may have been asking Frank to kill his so that he could die like a soldier and not have to face the consequences, It also seemed like Russo had a bit of a HeelRealization and understood that he had become a true monster.
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* The first indications we get of Lewis's upcoming descent, are the broken way he talks about how in spite of fighting for this country, he feels the country doesn't have a place for him.
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** After telling the story Frank in not a angry tone but a sad almost like he’s about to breakdown himself tells Karen that he ‘’has’’ to kill all the people responsible for the death of his family. Frank as much as he probably wants to can’t let this go and Karen for all her protest ‘’knows’’ he can’t.
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** After telling the story Frank - in not a angry tone but a sad almost "almost like he’s about to breakdown himself himself" tone - tells Karen that he ‘’has’’ to kill all the people responsible for the death of his family. Frank Frank, as much as he probably wants to to, can’t let this go and Karen Karen, for all her protest protest, ‘’knows’’ he can’t.
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** From Stein's perspective, this easily crosses into NightmareFuel. He knows that the smooth, sexy guy that his boss and friend is seeing is a cold-blooded murderer... and finds this out moments before he bleeds to death. Even worse, he's drowning in his own blood and unable to speak. You can see him trying to spit out the words whimpering "Billy, Billy" as Dinah cradles him, he's choking on his own blood, but all he can do is vomit up blood.Dinah's shouting over him causes her to not hear that.
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* For anyone who's had to deal with similar situations, everything surrounding Isaac's birds after Lewis kills Isaac and steals his uniform. Unlike children, who can grow up to take care of themselves, pets are basically helpless, especially birds, and Lewis may have condemned them to freezing or starving to death (though at least it's mentioned that the police know of Isaac's death, so someone would likely have found the birds before they died). Even worse, birds imprint on an owner at a young age and have difficulty accepting another one, so unlike a dog or cat which could adapt to a new owner, if someone was found who could take care of Issac's birds, they'll have behavioral problems for the rest of their life.
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* For anyone who's had to deal with similar situations, everything surrounding Isaac's birds after Lewis kills Isaac and steals his uniform. Unlike children, who can grow up to take care of themselves, pets are basically helpless, especially birds, and Lewis may have condemned them to freezing or starving to death (though at least it's mentioned that the police know of Isaac's death, so someone would likely have found the birds before they died). Even worse, birds imprint on an owner at a young age and have difficulty accepting another one, so unlike a dog or cat which could adapt to a new owner, if someone was found who could take care of Issac's Isaac's birds, they'll have behavioral problems for the rest of their life.
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* Although she never outright says it out loud, it's pretty clear that Matt's "death" is weighing heavily on Karen, given her choices of clothing and her uneasiness with giving information to Frank.
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** It's not very noticeable at first, but look closely [[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPbYgu2WsAEY5mc.jpg at the table next to Karen's TV]]: she's got [[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPbYh21W4AAbmLc.jpg the picture of her with Matt and Foggy at Josie's on St. Patrick's Day]] positioned such that she has to look at it every time she sits down to watch TV, and it's also backlit by another lamp to draw even more attention to it. Karen is clearly trying to fervently hold on to any happy memories of Matt that she has.
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** It's notvery noticeable at first, but look closely [[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPbYgu2WsAEY5mc.jpg at the table next to Karen's TV]]: she's got [[https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPbYh21W4AAbmLc.jpg the picture of her with Matt and Foggy at Josie's on St. Patrick's Day]] positioned such that she has to look at it every time she sits down to watch TV, and it's also backlit by another lamp to draw even more attention to it. Karen is clearly trying to fervently hold on to any happy memories of Matt that she has.
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* For anyone who's had to deal with similar situations, everything surrounding Lewis and the birds of the Anvil guard he killed. Unlike children, who can grow up to take care of themselves, pets are basically helpless, especially birds, and Lewis may have condemned them to freezing or starving to death (though at least it's mentioned that the authorities knew that the Anvil guard was dead so someone would likely have found the birds before they died). Even worse, birds imprint on an owner at a young age and have difficulty accepting another one, so unlike a dog or cat which could adapt to a new owner, if someone was found who could take care of the dead man's birds, they'll have behavioral problems for the rest of their life.
** A small solace: They have each other. Nothing else made this troper almost shed tears, during the show or this page so far but this right now. Got a soft spot for animals...
** A small solace: They have each other. Nothing else made this troper almost shed tears, during the show or this page so far but this right now. Got a soft spot for animals...
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* For anyone who's had to deal with similar situations, everything surrounding Isaac's birds after Lewis kills Isaac and the birds of the Anvil guard he killed. steals his uniform. Unlike children, who can grow up to take care of themselves, pets are basically helpless, especially birds, and Lewis may have condemned them to freezing or starving to death (though at least it's mentioned that the authorities knew that the Anvil guard was dead police know of Isaac's death, so someone would likely have found the birds before they died). Even worse, birds imprint on an owner at a young age and have difficulty accepting another one, so unlike a dog or cat which could adapt to a new owner, if someone was found who could take care of the dead man's Issac's birds, they'll have behavioral problems for the rest of their life.
** A small solace: They have each other. Nothing else made this troper almost shed tears, during the show or this page so far but this right now. Got a soft spot for animals...
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* The very last scene of the season could qualify. The bad men are all dead or thoroughly neutralized, the Lieberman family is back together, Frank has a clean slate... and all he can feel is ''fear'' for the very uncertain future he has ahead of him. He'd no different than the other vets in the room: rudderless, unprepared for "peacetime", and still very much broken inside, and alone.
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* Frank's fight with the insurgents in the flashback was as brutal as they all get out, but the overall setup showed him not as some battle-lusty war machine, but a man desperate to save his friends that loses himself in animalistic rage. The White Buffalo song in the background doesn't helps anny.
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* Frank's fight with the insurgents in the flashback was as brutal as they all get out, but the overall setup showed him not as some battle-lusty war machine, but a man desperate to save his friends that loses himself in animalistic rage. The Springsteen music in the background doesn't helps anny.
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* Frank's fight with the insurgents in the flashback was as brutal as they all get out, but the overall setup showed him not as some battle-lusty war machine, but a man desperate to save his friends that loses himself in animalistic rage. The Springsteen music White Buffalo song in the background doesn't helps anny.
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** What makes this worse is what happened to put Lewis in jail: He and O'Connor were peacefully handing out pamphlets outside a courthouse when a CorruptCop tried to get them to leave. Lewis tried to cite multiple legal reasons for their defense (thereby proving how much this event meant to him, that he would do this much research) and keeps a calm and polite tone throughout. In response, the cop accuses him of going for his gun and manhandles him to the ground. Oh, and O'Connor is hauling ass while this is all going down. It's not hard to believe this was the final straw for Lewis, even before he finds out about O'Connor being a PhonyVeteran.
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** What makes this worse is what happened to put Lewis in jail: He and O'Connor were peacefully handing out pamphlets outside a courthouse when a CorruptCop tried to get them to leave. Lewis tried to cite multiple legal reasons for their defense (thereby proving how much this event meant to him, that he would do this much research) and keeps a calm and polite tone throughout. In response, the cop accuses him of going for his gun and manhandles him to the ground. Oh, and O'Connor is hauling ass while this is all going down. It's not hard to believe this was the final straw for Lewis, even before he finds out about O'Connor being a FakeVeteran.PhonyVeteran.
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