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* Meta example: The fact that Lena was raped when she was ''twelve''.
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* MetaExample: The fact that Lena was raped when she was ''twelve''.
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* MetaExample: Meta example: The fact that Lena was raped when she was ''twelve''.
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* Reading the lyrics to "All the Things She Said" can do it.
** The Russian version, "Ya Soshla S Uma", is even more depressing. Where "All The Things She Said" is fairly abstract, "Ya Soshla S Uma" describes the protagonist being told her orientation is a disease, being sent to [[CureYourGays conversion "therapy"]], being abused by her parents, and possibly [[DrivenToSuicide committing suicide]] at the end.
** The Russian version, "Ya Soshla S Uma", is even more depressing. Where "All The Things She Said" is fairly abstract, "Ya Soshla S Uma" describes the protagonist being told her orientation is a disease, being sent to [[CureYourGays conversion "therapy"]], being abused by her parents, and possibly [[DrivenToSuicide committing suicide]] at the end.
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* Reading the lyrics to "All the Things She Said" can do it.
**it. The Russian version, "Ya Soshla S Uma", is even more depressing. Where "All The Things She Said" is fairly abstract, "Ya Soshla S Uma" describes the protagonist being told her orientation is a disease, being sent to [[CureYourGays conversion "therapy"]], being abused by her parents, and possibly [[DrivenToSuicide committing suicide]] at the end.
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* 10 years after the peak of their success, gay rights in Russia has gotten to the point where even ''mentioning'' that you aren't heterosexual in public is enough to warrant an arrest (or, as they call it, "propaganda"). Their efforts failed.
* Their 2014 split looks almost exactly like a relationship breakup. First Lena posts a video about wanting nothing to do with Julia, then Julia replies with one about "sorting out their differences". The "Love in Every Moment" video highlights this unintentionally by them being in different rooms by Lena's choice, and Julia hugging it out with a FakeShemp of Lena.
* Ivan Shapovalov's treatment of them. At one point, he told Lena she was "too fat" to be a star and she actually [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqiBCma7NBE fainted]] one day from not eating. He also kept instructing Yulia to continue screaming in their songs, and she developed a vocal cyst which [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpGDXrji7Fc permanently damaged her voice]], even after surgery. Not to mention the other things shown in their ''Anatomy of t.A.T.u.'' documentary and ''Podnebesnaya''.
* Yulia's homophobic statements towards gay men. Coming out to your parents is a huge fear for gays. Coming out and having your parents not accept your sexuality is another. The fact Yulia admitted she would condemn ''her own son'' for being gay (while adding that [[DoubleStandard she]] ''[[DoubleStandard would]]'' [[DoubleStandard accept a lesbian daughter]]) felt like a betrayal of trust from their largely-queer fanbase. "Malchik Gay" is downright impossible to listen to now.
* Their 2014 split looks almost exactly like a relationship breakup. First Lena posts a video about wanting nothing to do with Julia, then Julia replies with one about "sorting out their differences". The "Love in Every Moment" video highlights this unintentionally by them being in different rooms by Lena's choice, and Julia hugging it out with a FakeShemp of Lena.
* Ivan Shapovalov's treatment of them. At one point, he told Lena she was "too fat" to be a star and she actually [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqiBCma7NBE fainted]] one day from not eating. He also kept instructing Yulia to continue screaming in their songs, and she developed a vocal cyst which [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpGDXrji7Fc permanently damaged her voice]], even after surgery. Not to mention the other things shown in their ''Anatomy of t.A.T.u.'' documentary and ''Podnebesnaya''.
* Yulia's homophobic statements towards gay men. Coming out to your parents is a huge fear for gays. Coming out and having your parents not accept your sexuality is another. The fact Yulia admitted she would condemn ''her own son'' for being gay (while adding that [[DoubleStandard she]] ''[[DoubleStandard would]]'' [[DoubleStandard accept a lesbian daughter]]) felt like a betrayal of trust from their largely-queer fanbase. "Malchik Gay" is downright impossible to listen to now.
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** The Russian version, "Ya Soshla S Uma", is even more depressing. Where "All The Things She Said" is fairly abstract, "Ya Soshla S Uma" describes the protagonist being told her orientation is a disease, being sent to conversion "therapy", being abused by her parents, and possibly [[DrivenToSuicide committing suicide]] at the end.
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** The Russian version, "Ya Soshla S Uma", is even more depressing. Where "All The Things She Said" is fairly abstract, "Ya Soshla S Uma" describes the protagonist being told her orientation is a disease, being sent to [[CureYourGays conversion "therapy", "therapy"]], being abused by her parents, and possibly [[DrivenToSuicide committing suicide]] at the end.
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* Both of their first solo songs can be interpreted to be breakup songs about the band. "Never Forget You" in particular seems to carry the message of "let it go already, t.A.T.u. is dead."
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* Both of their first solo songs can be interpreted to be breakup songs about the band. Lena's "Never Forget You" in particular seems to carry the message of "let it go already, t.A.T.u. is dead."
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** The Russian version, "Ya Soshla S Uma", is even more depressing. Where "All The Things She Said is fairly abstract, "Ya Soshla S Uma" describes being told her orientation is a disease, being sent to conversion "therapy", being abused by her parents, and possibly [[DrivenToSuicide committing suicide]] at the end.
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** The Russian version, "Ya Soshla S Uma", is even more depressing. Where "All The Things She Said Said" is fairly abstract, "Ya Soshla S Uma" describes the protagonist being told her orientation is a disease, being sent to conversion "therapy", being abused by her parents, and possibly [[DrivenToSuicide committing suicide]] at the end.
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* "[[GratuitousJapanese Gomenasai]]," especially now that it's clear that neither singer is even on speaking terms with the other.
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* "[[GratuitousJapanese Gomenasai]]," especially now that [[HarsherInHindsight it's clear that neither singer is even on speaking terms with the other.other]].
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* Both of their first solo songs can be interpreted to be breakup songs about the band. "Never Forget You" in particular seems to carry the message of "let it go already, tATu is dead."
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* Both of their first solo songs can be interpreted to be breakup songs about the band. "Never Forget You" in particular seems to carry the message of "let it go already, tATu t.A.T.u. is dead."
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* Their 2014 split looks almost exactly like a relationship breakup. First Lena posts a video out wanting nothing to do with Julia, then Julia replies with one about "sorting out their differences". The "Love in Every Moment" video highlights this unintentionally by them being in different rooms by Lena's choice, and Julia hugging it out with a FakeShemp of Lena.
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* Their 2014 split looks almost exactly like a relationship breakup. First Lena posts a video out about wanting nothing to do with Julia, then Julia replies with one about "sorting out their differences". The "Love in Every Moment" video highlights this unintentionally by them being in different rooms by Lena's choice, and Julia hugging it out with a FakeShemp of Lena.
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* The child performer troupe Neposedy had their 25th-anniversary celebration in 2016, and as former members, both Julia and Lena showed up at the stage to perform "Nas Ne Dogonyat" with them. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_4FsyUvnkU The performance itself]] is effectively a BittersweetEnding to the duo, as they try their best to essentially not even look at each other. It's clear at this point that they're never performing together again.
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* The child performer troupe Neposedy had their 25th-anniversary celebration in 2016, and as former members, both Julia and Lena showed up at the stage onstage to perform "Nas Ne Dogonyat" with them. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_4FsyUvnkU The performance itself]] is effectively a BittersweetEnding to the duo, as they try their best to essentially not even look at each other. It's clear at this point that they're never performing together again.
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* Ivan Shapovalov's treatment of them. At one point, he told Lena she was "too fat" to be a star and she actually [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqiBCma7NBE fainted]] one day from not eating. He also kept instructing Yulia continue screaming in their songs, and she developed a vocal cyst which [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpGDXrji7Fc perminantly damaged her voice]], even after surgery. Not to mention the other things shown in their ''Anatomy of t.A.T.u.'' documentary and ''Podnebesnaya''.
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* Ivan Shapovalov's treatment of them. At one point, he told Lena she was "too fat" to be a star and she actually [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqiBCma7NBE fainted]] one day from not eating. He also kept instructing Yulia to continue screaming in their songs, and she developed a vocal cyst which [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpGDXrji7Fc perminantly permanently damaged her voice]], even after surgery. Not to mention the other things shown in their ''Anatomy of t.A.T.u.'' documentary and ''Podnebesnaya''.
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* The child performer troupe Neposedy had their 25th anniversary celebration in 2016, and as former members, both Julia and Lena showed up at the stage to perform "Nas Ne Dogonyat" with them. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_4FsyUvnkU The performance itself]] is effectively a BittersweetEnding to the duo, as they try their best to essentially not even look at each other. It's clear at this point that they're never performing together again.
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* The child performer troupe Neposedy had their 25th anniversary 25th-anniversary celebration in 2016, and as former members, both Julia and Lena showed up at the stage to perform "Nas Ne Dogonyat" with them. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_4FsyUvnkU The performance itself]] is effectively a BittersweetEnding to the duo, as they try their best to essentially not even look at each other. It's clear at this point that they're never performing together again.
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* The child performer troupe Neposedy had their 25th anniversary celebration in 2016, and as former members, both Julia and Lena showed up at the stage to perform "Nas Ne Dogonyat" with them. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_4FsyUvnkU The performance itself]] is effectively a BittersweetEnding to the duo, as they try their best to essentially not even look at eachother. It's clear at this point that they're never performing together again.
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* The child performer troupe Neposedy had their 25th anniversary celebration in 2016, and as former members, both Julia and Lena showed up at the stage to perform "Nas Ne Dogonyat" with them. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_4FsyUvnkU The performance itself]] is effectively a BittersweetEnding to the duo, as they try their best to essentially not even look at eachother.each other. It's clear at this point that they're never performing together again.
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* "[[GratuitousJapanese Gomenasai]]"
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* "[[GratuitousJapanese Gomenasai]]"Gomenasai]]," especially now that it's clear that neither singer is even on speaking terms with the other.
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* 10 years after the peak of their success, gay rights in Russia has gotten to the point where "propaganda" (basically, mentioning not being straight in a public environment) is illegal. Essentiallly, their efforts failed.
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* 10 years after the peak of their success, gay rights in Russia has gotten to the point where "propaganda" (basically, mentioning not being straight even ''mentioning'' that you aren't heterosexual in a public environment) is illegal. Essentiallly, their enough to warrant an arrest (or, as they call it, "propaganda"). Their efforts failed.
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* Ivan Shapovalov's treatment of them. At one point, he told Lena she was "too fat" to be a star and she actually [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqiBCma7NBE fainted]] one day from not eating. He also kept instructing Yulia continue screaming in their songs, and she developed a vocal cyst. Her cyst worsened and her voice [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpGDXrji7Fc never quite the same]] from then on, even after surgery. Not to mention the other things shown in their ''Anatomy of t.A.T.u.'' documentary and ''Podnebesnaya''.
* Yulia's homophobic statements towards gay men. Many fans felt very betrayed and were very upset with this.
** Coming out to your parents is a huge fear for gays. Coming out and having your parents not accept your sexuality is another. The fact Yulia admitted she would condemn ''her own son'' for this did not sit well with people [[BrokenPedestal who used to adore her.]] Listening to "Malchik Gay" just isn't the same anymore.
* The child performer troupe Neposedy had their 25th anniversary celebration in 2016, and as former members, both Julia and Lena showed up at the stage to perform "Nas Ne Dogonyat" with them. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_4FsyUvnkU The performance itself]] is effectively a BittersweetEnding to the duo, as they try their best to essentially not even look at eachother, and everyone involved lnows it's the last time they're EVER performing together.
* Yulia's homophobic statements towards gay men. Many fans felt very betrayed and were very upset with this.
** Coming out to your parents is a huge fear for gays. Coming out and having your parents not accept your sexuality is another. The fact Yulia admitted she would condemn ''her own son'' for this did not sit well with people [[BrokenPedestal who used to adore her.]] Listening to "Malchik Gay" just isn't the same anymore.
* The child performer troupe Neposedy had their 25th anniversary celebration in 2016, and as former members, both Julia and Lena showed up at the stage to perform "Nas Ne Dogonyat" with them. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_4FsyUvnkU The performance itself]] is effectively a BittersweetEnding to the duo, as they try their best to essentially not even look at eachother, and everyone involved lnows it's the last time they're EVER performing together.
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* Ivan Shapovalov's treatment of them. At one point, he told Lena she was "too fat" to be a star and she actually [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqiBCma7NBE fainted]] one day from not eating. He also kept instructing Yulia continue screaming in their songs, and she developed a vocal cyst. Her cyst worsened and her voice which [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpGDXrji7Fc never quite the same]] from then on, perminantly damaged her voice]], even after surgery. Not to mention the other things shown in their ''Anatomy of t.A.T.u.'' documentary and ''Podnebesnaya''.
* Yulia's homophobic statements towards gay men.Many fans felt very betrayed and were very upset with this.
**Coming out to your parents is a huge fear for gays. Coming out and having your parents not accept your sexuality is another. The fact Yulia admitted she would condemn ''her own son'' for this did not sit well with people [[BrokenPedestal who used to adore her.]] Listening to being gay (while adding that [[DoubleStandard she]] ''[[DoubleStandard would]]'' [[DoubleStandard accept a lesbian daughter]]) felt like a betrayal of trust from their largely-queer fanbase. "Malchik Gay" just isn't the same anymore.is downright impossible to listen to now.
* The child performer troupe Neposedy had their 25th anniversary celebration in 2016, and as former members, both Julia and Lena showed up at the stage to perform "Nas Ne Dogonyat" with them. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_4FsyUvnkU The performance itself]] is effectively a BittersweetEnding to the duo, as they try their best to essentially not even look ateachother, and everyone involved lnows it's the last time eachother. It's clear at this point that they're EVER never performing together.together again.
* Yulia's homophobic statements towards gay men.
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* The child performer troupe Neposedy had their 25th anniversary celebration in 2016, and as former members, both Julia and Lena showed up at the stage to perform "Nas Ne Dogonyat" with them. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_4FsyUvnkU The performance itself]] is effectively a BittersweetEnding to the duo, as they try their best to essentially not even look at
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** The Russian version, "Ya Soshla S Uma", is even more depressing. Where "All The Things She Said is fairly abstract, "Ya Soshla S Uma" describes being told her orientation is a disease, being sent to conversion "therapy", being abused by her parents, and possibly [[DrivenToSuicide committing suicide]] at the end.
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This song is so depressing.
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* "Vsya Moya Lyubov"
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* Ivan Shapovalov's treatment of them could count. At one point, he told Lena she was "too fat" to be a star and she actually [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqiBCma7NBE fainted]] one day from not eating. He also kept instructing Yulia continue screaming in their songs, and she developed a vocal cyst. Her cyst worsened and her voice [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpGDXrji7Fc never quite the same]] from then on, even after surgery. Not to mention the other things shown in their ''Anatomy of t.A.T.u.'' documentary and ''Podnebesnaya''.
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* Ivan Shapovalov's treatment of them could count.them. At one point, he told Lena she was "too fat" to be a star and she actually [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqiBCma7NBE fainted]] one day from not eating. He also kept instructing Yulia continue screaming in their songs, and she developed a vocal cyst. Her cyst worsened and her voice [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpGDXrji7Fc never quite the same]] from then on, even after surgery. Not to mention the other things shown in their ''Anatomy of t.A.T.u.'' documentary and ''Podnebesnaya''.
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* "Doshitai Do Sta" ("Count to Hundred"). Even if it is just about a breakup, not death.
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* "Doshitai Do Sta" ("Count to Hundred"). Even if it ''is'' just about a breakup, not about the guy dying... Gah.
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** Coming out to your parents is a huge fear for gays. Coming out and having your parents not accept your sexuality is another. The fact Yulia admitted she would condemn ''her own son'' for this did not sit well with people [[BrokenPedestal who used to adore her.]]
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** Coming out to your parents is a huge fear for gays. Coming out and having your parents not accept your sexuality is another. The fact Yulia admitted she would condemn ''her own son'' for this did not sit well with people [[BrokenPedestal who used to adore her.]] Listening to "Malchik Gay" just isn't the same anymore.
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** Coming out to your parents is a huge fear for gays. Coming out and having your parents not accept your sexuality is another. The fact Yulia admitted she would condemn ''her own son'' if he turned out to be gay did not sit well with people who used to adore her.
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** Coming out to your parents is a huge fear for gays. Coming out and having your parents not accept your sexuality is another. The fact Yulia admitted she would condemn ''her own son'' if he turned out to be gay for this did not sit well with people [[BrokenPedestal who used to adore her. her.]]
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* Yulia's homophobic statements towards gay men. Many fans felt very betrayed and were very upset with this.
** Coming out to your parents is a huge fear for gays. Coming out and having your parents not accept your sexuality is another. The fact Yulia admitted she would condemn ''her own son'' if he turned out to be gay did not sit well with people who used to adore her.
** Coming out to your parents is a huge fear for gays. Coming out and having your parents not accept your sexuality is another. The fact Yulia admitted she would condemn ''her own son'' if he turned out to be gay did not sit well with people who used to adore her.
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* Ivan Shapovalov's treatment of them could count. At one point, he told Lena she was "too fat" to be a star and she actually [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqiBCma7NBE fainted]] one day from not eating. He also kept instructing Yulia continue screaming in their songs, and she developed a vocal cyst. Her cyst worsened and her voice [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpGDXrji7Fc never quite the same]] from then on. Not to mention the other things shown in their ''Anatomy of t.A.T.u.'' documentary and ''Podnebesnaya''.
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* Ivan Shapovalov's treatment of them could count. At one point, he told Lena she was "too fat" to be a star and she actually [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqiBCma7NBE fainted]] one day from not eating. He also kept instructing Yulia continue screaming in their songs, and she developed a vocal cyst. Her cyst worsened and her voice [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpGDXrji7Fc never quite the same]] from then on.on, even after surgery. Not to mention the other things shown in their ''Anatomy of t.A.T.u.'' documentary and ''Podnebesnaya''.
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* Ivan Shapovalov's treatment of them could count. At one point, he told Lena she was "too fat" to be a star and she actually [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqiBCma7NBE fainted]] one day from not eating. He also kept instructing Yulia continue screaming in their songs, and she developed a vocal cyst. Her cyst worsened and her voice [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpGDXrji7Fc never quite the same]] from then on. Not to mention the other things shown in their ''Anatomy of t.A.T.u.'' documentary and ''Podnebesnaya''.
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* Both of their first solo songs can be interpreted to be breakup songs about the band. "Never Forget You" in particular seems to carry the message of "let it go already, tATu is dead."
* 10 years after the peak of their success, gay rights in Russia has gotten to the point where "propaganda" (basically, mentioning not being straight in a public environment) is illegal. Essentiallly, their efforts failed.
* Their 2014 split looks almost exactly like a relationship breakup. First Lena posts a video out wanting nothing to do with Julia, then Julia replies with one about "sorting out their differences". The "Love in Every Moment" video highlights this unintentionally by them being in different rooms by Lena's choice, and Julia hugging it out with a FakeShemp of Lena.
* 10 years after the peak of their success, gay rights in Russia has gotten to the point where "propaganda" (basically, mentioning not being straight in a public environment) is illegal. Essentiallly, their efforts failed.
* Their 2014 split looks almost exactly like a relationship breakup. First Lena posts a video out wanting nothing to do with Julia, then Julia replies with one about "sorting out their differences". The "Love in Every Moment" video highlights this unintentionally by them being in different rooms by Lena's choice, and Julia hugging it out with a FakeShemp of Lena.
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doshitai is the imperative form. shitath would be \"counting\"
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* "Doschitai Do Sta" ("Counting to One Hundred"). Even if it ''is'' just about a breakup, not about the guy dying... Gah.
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* "Doschitai "Doshitai Do Sta" ("Counting ("Count to One Hundred"). Even if it ''is'' just about a breakup, not about the guy dying... Gah.
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* "[[GratuitousJapanese Gomenasai]]" ,anyone?
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* "[[GratuitousJapanese Gomenasai]]" ,anyone?Gomenasai]]"
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* "[[GratuitousJapanese Gomenasai]]" ,anyone?
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* "Doschitai Do Sta" ("Counting to One Hundred"). Even if it ''is'' just about a breakup, not about the guy dying... Gah.Gah.
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* Reading the lyrics to "All the Things She Said" can do it.
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* Reading the lyrics to "All the Things She Said" can do it.it.
* "Doschitai Do Sta" ("Counting to One Hundred"). Even if it ''is'' just about a breakup, not about the guy dying... Gah.
* "Doschitai Do Sta" ("Counting to One Hundred"). Even if it ''is'' just about a breakup, not about the guy dying... Gah.
