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** The Whigs support of the American/French Revolutions and half-assed opposition to Napoleon Bonaparte really hurt their reputation in the UK. Their opposition to the Romanticist movment of the 19th century also made them unpopular with most of the population of the UK at the time. Which is all TruthInTelevision.
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** They also lose most of their poor/working class base to other political movements such as the Chartist movment, as well as anarchists/communists/socialists. This also happened in RealLife.
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* Hypocrite: The Whigs as a whole are potrayed as hypocrital and narrow-minded "limousine liberals" who are out of touch with the needs of the poor and middle-class. They also lose most of their middle-class base to the Tories during this era. Which did happen in RealLife.

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* Hypocrite: {{Hypocrite}}: The Whigs as a whole are potrayed as hypocrital and narrow-minded "limousine liberals" who are out of touch with the needs of the poor and middle-class. They also lose most of their middle-class base to the Tories during this era. Which did happen in RealLife.
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* Hypocrite: The Whigs as a whole are potrayed as hypocrital and narrow-minded "limousine liberals" who are out of touch with the needs of the poor and middle-class. They also lose most of their middle-class base to the Tories during this era. Which did happen in RealLife.
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** During the 1854 cholera outbreak, Florence Nightingale is depicted saying that she doesn't believe in miasma theory. In fact, Nightingale was a strong proponent of miasma theory throughout her life. Furthermore, the show has Nightingale reasoning that miasma theory must be false because she hasn't caught cholera from her patients, but that's exactly what miasma theory would predict. It was the opponents of miasma theory, the "contagionists," who believed that disease was spread from person to person. (Of course, we now know that certain diseases ''are'' spread from person to person, but it happens that cholera is not one of them--and it doesn't spread in air either, but in water.)

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** During the 1854 cholera outbreak, Florence Nightingale is depicted saying that she doesn't believe in miasma theory. In fact, Nightingale was a strong proponent of miasma theory throughout her life. Furthermore, the show has Nightingale reasoning that miasma theory must be false because she hasn't caught cholera from her patients, but that's exactly what miasma theory would predict. It was the opponents of miasma theory, the "contagionists," who believed that disease was spread from person to person. (Of course, we now know that certain diseases ''are'' spread from person to person, but it happens that cholera is not one of them--and them. Not that the miasma proponents had it doesn't spread right either--cholera spreads in air either, but ''water'' and, while it commonly enters the water supply through fecal matter, the pathogen is in water.itself odourless.)
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** During the 1854 cholera outbreak, Florence Nightingale is depicted saying that she doesn't believe in miasma theory. In fact, Nightingale was a strong proponent of miasma theory throughout her life. Furthermore, the show has Nightingale reasoning that miasma theory must be false because she hasn't caught cholera from her patients, but that's exactly what miasma theory would predict. It was the opponents of miasma theory, the "contagionists," who believed that disease was spread from person to person. (Of course, we now know that certain diseases ''are'' spread from person to person, but it happens that cholera is not one of them.)

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** During the 1854 cholera outbreak, Florence Nightingale is depicted saying that she doesn't believe in miasma theory. In fact, Nightingale was a strong proponent of miasma theory throughout her life. Furthermore, the show has Nightingale reasoning that miasma theory must be false because she hasn't caught cholera from her patients, but that's exactly what miasma theory would predict. It was the opponents of miasma theory, the "contagionists," who believed that disease was spread from person to person. (Of course, we now know that certain diseases ''are'' spread from person to person, but it happens that cholera is not one of them.them--and it doesn't spread in air either, but in water.)
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In 1837, England's [[UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfHanover William IV]] died without a legitimate descendant to inherit, leaving the throne to his intelligent and opinionated but sheltered teenaged niece Alexandrina Victoria. As she ascends the throne, she forges an exceptionally close relationship and alliance with Prime Minister Lord Melbourne, and relies on her childhood governess Baroness Lehzen, while her mother's comptroller Sir John Conroy and her uncle, the Duke of Cumberland, scheme to control the young queen and, by extension, the British Empire. And then there's the matter of Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Victoria's cousin and potential suitor. The young queen must contend with personal and political challenges with little room for error on the world's largest stage.

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In 1837, England's [[UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfHanover William IV]] died without a legitimate descendant to inherit, leaving the throne to his intelligent and opinionated but sheltered teenaged niece Alexandrina Victoria.Victoria (Creator/JennaColeman). As she ascends the throne, she forges an exceptionally close relationship and alliance with Prime Minister Lord Melbourne, and relies on her childhood governess Baroness Lehzen, while her mother's comptroller Sir John Conroy and her uncle, the Duke of Cumberland, scheme to control the young queen and, by extension, the British Empire. And then there's the matter of Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Victoria's cousin and potential suitor. The young queen must contend with personal and political challenges with little room for error on the world's largest stage.
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* TokenGoodTeammate: Sir Robert Peel, the Duke of Wellington and Lady Flora Hastings (who has ties but is not necessarily a member) and possibly Mr Penge are all this for the Tory party in season 1. The Tory party is not really "evil" anyway. See NotEvilJustMisunderstood, above.
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** It's not outright stated, but Mr Penge is possibly a Tory and/or sympathizes with them due to his political/religous attitudes, despite being a servant and a blue-collar worker. He seems to have a good relationship with both Victoria and Albert.

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** It's not outright stated, but Mr Penge is possibly a Tory and/or sympathizes with them due to his political/religous political/religious attitudes, despite being a servant and a blue-collar worker. He seems to have a good relationship with both Victoria and Albert.
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** It's not outright stated, but Mr Penge is possibly a Tory and/or sympathizes with them due to his political/religous attitudes, despite being a servant and a blue-collar worker. He seems to have a good relationship with both Victoria and Albert.

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** Sir Robert Peel is not potrayed as a stereotypical stupid, selfish, evil and crazy conservative. He knows full well that the poor and middle-class are angry at the monarchy and parliament (he even tries to encorage Prince Albert to avoid the costly ball Queen Victoria throws), the cost of war and is shown to be right about the rivalry between France and the UK. He also expands the Tories party base to include middle-class bureaucrats and industrialists. Which is TruthinTelevision.

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** Sir Robert Peel is not potrayed as a stereotypical stupid, selfish, evil and crazy conservative. He knows full well that the poor and middle-class are angry at the monarchy monarchy, aristocracy and parliament (he even tries to encorage Prince Albert to avoid the costly ball Queen Victoria throws), the cost of war and is shown to be right about the rivalry between France and the UK. He also expands the Tories party base to include middle-class bureaucrats and industrialists. Which is TruthinTelevision.


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** Averted with Victoria and Albert entirely. Prince Albert in paticular detests the elitism of the upper-class. Queen Victoria is more oblivious to the out-of-touch "limousine liberalism" of the Whig party, but she also get's over her intial bias towards the Tory party when she gets to know Sir Robert Peel better.
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** When anti-monarchist revolutions starts spreading throughout Europe during season 3, Victoria and Albert try to strengthen ties and solidarity with all of the monarchies throughout Europe.
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* DiplomaticImmunity: The Northern European Protestant countries and the Netherlands in paticular are the UK's closest and most relilable allies. Some of the British ProudElite are quite upset that Queen Vicotria did not marry a Dutch man instead of Prince Albert.

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* DiplomaticImmunity: The Northern European Protestant majority countries and the Netherlands in paticular are the UK's closest and most relilable allies. Some of the British ProudElite are quite upset that Queen Vicotria did not marry a Dutch man instead of Prince Albert.
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* DiplomaticImmunity: The Northern European Protestant countries and the Netherlands in paticular are the UK's closest and most relilable allies. Some of the British ProudElite are quite upset that Queen Vicotria did not marry a Dutch man instead of Prince Albert.
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** King Leopold I of Belguim's second wife was a daughter of Louis Philippe I of France in RealLife. She was described by her contemporaries as a loyal, caring, kind and loving wife.
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* FrenchJerk: Zig-zagged. The snooty women in the royal court play this strait, but Louis Philippe I of France and the French maids are not this. Napoleon III is talked about as being a resonable man.

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* FrenchJerk: Zig-zagged. The snooty women in the royal court play this strait, but Louis Philippe I of France and the French maids are not this. Napoleon III is talked about as being a resonable man.willing to work with the UK.
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* FrenchJerk: Zig-zagged. The snooty women in the royal court play this strait, but Louis Philippe I of France and the French maids are not this. Napoleon III is talked about as being a resonable man.
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** France has some snooty women who dismiss Victoria and Albert, but also kind and caring maids who try to help them. Also, prince Albert's negative view of France is potrayed as overreacting. Louis Philippe I of France is potrayed as crass, but not bad. Napoleon III has been hinted at as being a reasonable fellow.
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* Grey-and-GrayMorality: The relationship between the UK and the foreign countries are potrayed this way. So is the Catholic VS Protestant rivavlry.

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* Grey-and-GrayMorality: GreyandGrayMorality: The relationship between the UK and the foreign countries are potrayed this way. So is the Catholic VS Protestant rivavlry.
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* Grey-and-GrayMorality: The relationship between the UK and the foreign countries are potrayed this way. So is the Catholic VS Protestant rivavlry.
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* UpperClassTwit: Some of the nobility and clergy act this way. Most of the Tories in season 1 act this way, although it is ultimatly averted with Sir Robert Peel and Lady Flora. Season 2 and 3 potrays most of the Tory characters in a more sympathetic light.
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** Sir Robert Peel is not potrayed as a stereotypical stupid, selfish, evil and crazy conservative. He knows full well that the poor and middle-class are angry at the monarchy and parliament (he even tries to encorage Prince Albert to avoid the costly ball Queen Victoria throws), the cost of war and is shown to be right about the rivalry between France and the UK. He also expands the Tories party base to include middle-class bureaucrats and industrialists. Which is TruthInTelivison.

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** Sir Robert Peel is not potrayed as a stereotypical stupid, selfish, evil and crazy conservative. He knows full well that the poor and middle-class are angry at the monarchy and parliament (he even tries to encorage Prince Albert to avoid the costly ball Queen Victoria throws), the cost of war and is shown to be right about the rivalry between France and the UK. He also expands the Tories party base to include middle-class bureaucrats and industrialists. Which is TruthInTelivison.TruthinTelevision.
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** Sir Robert Peel is not potrayed as a stereotypical stupid, selfish, evil and crazy conservative. He knows full well that the poor are angry at the monarchy and parliament (he even tries to encorage Prince Albert to avoid the costly ball Queen Victoria throws), the cost of war and is shown to be right about the rivalry between France and the UK.

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** Sir Robert Peel is not potrayed as a stereotypical stupid, selfish, evil and crazy conservative. He knows full well that the poor and middle-class are angry at the monarchy and parliament (he even tries to encorage Prince Albert to avoid the costly ball Queen Victoria throws), the cost of war and is shown to be right about the rivalry between France and the UK. He also expands the Tories party base to include middle-class bureaucrats and industrialists. Which is TruthInTelivison.
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** There is a Chartist woman who does not support republicanism, but she is in the minority. Most of them would have mostly like have killed both Victoria and Albert and even attacked the people who work in parliament if given the chance.

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** There is a Chartist woman who does not support republicanism, but she is in the minority. Most of them would have mostly like have killed both Victoria and Albert and even attacked the people who work in parliament if given the chance.
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** There is a Chartist woman who does not support republicanism, but she is in the minority. Most of them would have mostly like have killed both Victoria and Albert and even attacked the people who work in parliament if given the chance.
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** Sir Robert Peel is not potrayed as a stereotypical stupid, selfish, evil and crazy conservative. He knows full well that the poor are angry at the monarchy and parliament (he even tries to encorage Prince Albert to avoid the costly ball Queen Victoria throws), the cost of war and is shown to be right about the rivalry between France and the UK.
** Likewise, Lady Flora has ties to the Tories, but only wants whats best for the Royal family including Queen Victoria. Queen Victoria's imposing of guilt and shame on Lady Flora is shown in a negative light. (espically considering she was wrong about Lady Flora being pregnant).
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* NotEvilJustMisunderstood: The Tories as a whole are potrayed this way. Despite their political rivalry with the Whigs, their chivalrous loyalty to the monarchy and support for peace and prosperity in the United Kingdom is genuine. They are also right in that Queen Victoria and Prince Albert need to take their responsiblities more seriously.
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* SpoiledSweet: Queen Victoria, Lady Flora Hastings, Lady Wilhelmina Paget and Princess Vicky are all examples of this.
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* LowerClassLout: The Chartists movement is potrayed this way. It is hinted at that the revolutionaries of 1848 are this as well. There are also talks of anarchists, communists and socialists who act this way.
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** Historically, Victoria considered her uncle Leopold her "best and kindest advisor", not least for setting up her marriage to Albert, whom unlike in the series she was immediately taken with after meeting him a year before becoming Queen. In the series, Leopold is depicted as manipulative and disliked by Victoria, although ([[spoiler: they finally bond in the final episode of Series 1, though in Series 2 rifts erupt]]).

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** Historically, Victoria considered her uncle Leopold her "best and kindest advisor", not least for setting up her marriage to Albert, whom unlike in the series she was immediately taken with after meeting him a year before becoming Queen. In the series, Leopold is depicted as manipulative and disliked by Victoria, although ([[spoiler: [[spoiler: they finally bond in the final episode of Series 1, though in Series 2 rifts erupt]]).erupt]].

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