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** Most of the characters still talk in modern American accents. Which, as any linguist will tell you, ''is'' historically accurate. The Elizabethan Era English accent actually sounded closer to a modern American Southern accent than the "Received Pronunciation" accent that most modern media uses to depict the era. [[{{Irony}} Peggy, Hela, Thor, and Loki's accent is the actual outlier here]].

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** Most of the characters still talk in modern American accents. Which, as any linguist will tell you, ''is'' historically accurate. The Elizabethan Era English London accent actually sounded closer to a modern American Southern accent than the "Received Pronunciation" accent that most modern media uses to depict the era. [[{{Irony}} Peggy, Hela, Thor, and Loki's accent is the actual outlier here]].
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** There's a reference to a Victoria sponge, named after a queen who won't exist for another two centuries.

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** There's a reference to a Victoria sponge, named after a queen who won't exist be born for another two centuries.
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** Most of the characters still talk in modern American accents.

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** Most of the characters still talk in modern American accents. Which, as any linguist will tell you, ''is'' historically accurate. The Elizabethan Era English accent actually sounded closer to a modern American Southern accent than the "Received Pronunciation" accent that most modern media uses to depict the era. [[{{Irony}} Peggy, Hela, Thor, and Loki's accent is the actual outlier here]].
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* WhamLine: "I can hear you." Peggy reveals that she can hear Uatu narrate about her, despite him not intending to make himself audible to her. This level of perception has previously only been achieved by three known characters: Strange Supreme, Infinity Ultron, and [[WesternAnimation/IAmGroot Baby Groot]], two of whom are extremely powerful cosmic entities. What this implies about this version of Peggy, if anything, remains to be seen.

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* WhamLine: "I can hear you." Peggy reveals that she can hear Uatu narrate about her, despite him not intending to make himself audible to her. This level of perception has previously only been achieved by three known characters: Strange Supreme, Infinity Ultron, and [[WesternAnimation/IAmGroot Baby Groot]], two of whom are extremely powerful cosmic entities. What this implies about this version of Peggy, if anything, remains to be seen.
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That's not what happened. They're both the same Steve.


* AlternateSelf: There's two Steve Rogers in the episode, both of them native to the universe featured in the episode, but from separate timelines. The first shown grew up in the Time Stone-adjusted reality, becoming an outlaw in the mold of Robin Hood. The second shown came from the original reality, which seems to have been similar to the Sacred Timeline.
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** [[Creator/CateBlanchett Hela]] takes the place of Elizabeth I in the 1602-verse. Her actress has already played her before.

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** [[Creator/CateBlanchett Hela]] takes the place of Elizabeth I in the 1602-verse. Her actress has already played her before.the monarch [[Film/{{Elizabeth}} twice]].
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* MythologyGag: The original comic’s universe was created when Steve Rogers was sent back in time during an incident involving the Purple Man seizing power. Sure enough, this ‘verse follows suit, but the “purple man” is Thanos and he “power” he’s seizing is the Infinity Stones.
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* {{Magitek}}: Wanda has magic, Thor has his lightning abilities, and it's common knowledge the Sceptre contains an infinity stone. On the other hand there's an army of Yellowjackets serving Thor, Tony built a machine intended to be powered by the Mind Stone, and the Destroyer returns as a suit of AnimatedArmor that still fires laser beams from its headpiece. Between the two time periods being mashed together, the different allegiances of characters, and the fact some of this was likely created after the merging of the time periods, the line between what is magical or technological is ''very'' blurred.
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* HaveAGayOldTime: A temporal inverted variant. Captain Carter watches Thor dramatically unsheathe his sword while announcing it as "the All-Father", and she quips that he's as big a drama queen as his brother. Loki, sitting nearby and likely having no idea what the 20th century insult means, takes it as a sincere compliment.

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** The first shown grew up in the Time Stone-adjusted reality, becoming an outlaw in the mold of Robin Hood.
** The second shown came from the original reality, which seems to have been similar to the Sacred Timeline.



* AlternateSelf: There's two Steve Rogers in the episode, both of them native to the universe featured in the episode, but from separate timelines.

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* AlternateSelf: There's two Steve Rogers in the episode, both of them native to the universe featured in the episode, but from separate timelines. The first shown grew up in the Time Stone-adjusted reality, becoming an outlaw in the mold of Robin Hood. The second shown came from the original reality, which seems to have been similar to the Sacred Timeline.

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* BehemothBattle: The Hulk vs The Freak

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* BehemothBattle: The Hulk vs The FreakFreak. Both of them are strong, superpowered individuals of various colors, and they are vicious as they battle each other.
* BigShutUp: As The Freak pounds on the Hulk while letting out a barrage of insults, Hulk eventually stops him with a very annoyed "SHUT THY MOUTH!", before throwing him at the organ and roaring.
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** Rogers Hood turns out to be just as adept with Carter's shield in combat as she is. Later, he turns out not only to be the local equivalent of Steve, but is indeed a modern Steve who became Captain America, so he is ''very'' familiar with how it works.

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** Rogers Hood turns out to be just as adept with Carter's shield in combat as she is. Later, he turns out not only to be the local equivalent of Steve, but is indeed a modern Steve who became Captain America, so he is ''very'' familiar with how it works.

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* {{Expy}}: The Steve Rogers, Bucky Barnes, Scott Lang, Peggy Carter (who's several years dead) and Happy Hogan in this world are based off of [[Myth/RobinHood Robin of Loxley, Little John, Will Scarlet, Maid Marion and the Sheriff of Nottingham]] respectively.

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* {{Expy}}: The Steve Rogers, Bucky Barnes, Scott Lang, Peggy Carter (who's several years dead) and Happy Hogan in this world are based off of [[Myth/RobinHood Robin of Loxley, Little John, Will Scarlet, Maid Marion and the Sheriff of Nottingham]] respectively. Though it turns out that Peggy's role is a fabrication by Steve.


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** Rogers Hood turns out to be just as adept with Carter's shield in combat as she is. Later, he turns out not only to be the local equivalent of Steve, but is indeed a modern Steve who became Captain America, so he is ''very'' familiar with how it works.
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** There is no indication that Steve or Bucky have their SuperSoldier strength, though that only means they're BroughtDownToBadass.

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** There is no indication that Steve or Bucky have their SuperSoldier strength, though that only means they're BroughtDownToBadass. Subverted in the former's case, as we find out that he really ''is'' Captain America, having been accidentally transported by the Time Stone [[Film/AvengersInfinityWar while fighting Thanos in Wakanda]].



** Rogers' band of outlaws are from TheHighMiddleAges rather than [[UsefulNotes/ElizabethI the later Elizabethan Era]].

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** Rogers' band of outlaws are from TheHighMiddleAges rather than [[UsefulNotes/ElizabethI the later Elizabethan Era]]. Justified in that Steve deliberately chose the name as a reference.

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* AlternateSelf: There's two Steve Rogers in the episode, both of them native to the universe featured in the episode, but from separate timelines.



* AlternateSelf: There's two Steve Rogers in the episode, both of them native to the universe featured in the episode, but from separate timelines.



* SpecialThanks: The credits include one to Creator/RoyThomas, the writer for Comicbook/TheAvengers comics from 1966-72.

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* SpecialThanks: The credits include one to Creator/RoyThomas, the writer for Comicbook/TheAvengers comics from 1966-72.1966-1972.

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Example deleted b/c Thor and Wanda had significant offscreen time together in Avengers Age Of Ultron between when Wanda and Pietro joined the Avengers in Stark Tower (where Vision was created) and Thor leaving Earth at the end of the film.


** Wanda and Thor never really met each other in the Sacred Timeline, outside of sharing the same battlefield while battling [[Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron Ultron]] on one occasion, and Thanos on [[Film/AvengersInfinityWar two]] [[Film/AvengersEndgame separate]] occasions. Here, Wanda is Thor's court magician.



* AlternateSelf: There's two Steve Rogers in the episode, both of them native to the universe featured in the episode, but from separate timelines.


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* AlternateSelf: There's two Steve Rogers in the episode, both of them native to the universe featured in the episode, but from separate timelines.
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* StarCrossedLovers: Peggy has yet to find a world where she and Steve get to be together. Fitting, given it's the setting of the [[Creator/WilliamShakespeare trope namer]].

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* StarCrossedLovers: Peggy has yet to find a world where she and Steve get to be together. Fitting, given it's the setting of the [[Creator/WilliamShakespeare trope namer]]. Rogers Hood believes [[Film/AvengersEndgame there might be one that allows them to have the happy ending they deserve]].
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* Behemoth battle: The Hulk vs The Freak

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* Behemoth battle: BehemothBattle: The Hulk vs The Freak
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* LogoJoke: The music played in the opening sequence for the episode is music for the Renaissance era.
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* ArtisticLicenseArt: A common one in fiction: {{Theatre/Hamlet}}'s "To be, or not to be" soliloquy from Act 3, Scene 1 is depicted with Hamlet holding Yorick's skull. In the actual play, the skull appears much later in the play (specifically in Act V, Scene 1) during a completely different monologue.

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* ArtisticLicenseArt: A common one in fiction: {{Theatre/Hamlet}}'s Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'s "To be, or not to be" soliloquy from Act 3, Scene 1 is depicted with Hamlet holding Yorick's skull. In the actual play, the skull appears much later in the play (specifically in Act V, Scene 1) during a completely different monologue.

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* NotEvenBotheringWithTheAccent: Jon Favreau is the only one trying for a British accent among the American cast.

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* NotEvenBotheringWithTheAccent: Jon Favreau is the only one trying for a British accent among the American cast. Though everyone else having an American accent is justified by 1602 and the 21st century being jammed together.


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* PoliticallyCorrectHistory: Nick Fury, a black man, is still in a high government position. This is justified, since time has been messed up.
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* ContinuityNod: Uatu mentions that this universe is doomed to be destroyed by Incursions, and it's later revealed that the main reason it exists is due to Steve Rogers accidentally hitting the Time Stone during the Battle of Wakanda, causing several characters in the present day to be misplaced into the 1600s. As shown in ''Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'', multiversal travelers staying in worlds not native to them can cause Incursions.
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* ShipTease: Despite having no reason to do so, Loki can be seen trying to protect Wanda as Peggy attempts to send everyone back to the future.

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* {{Expy}}: The Steve Rogers, Bucky Barnes, Scott Lang, Peggy Carter (who's several years dead) and Happy Hogan in this world are based off of [[Myth/RobinHood Robin of Loxley, Little John, Will Scarlet, Maid Marion and the Sheriff of Nottingham]] respectively.



* LighterAndSofter: Despite being (loosely) based on ''[[ComicBook/Marvel1602 1602]]'' , the tone is still very light-hearted when compared to the source material.

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* LighterAndSofter: Despite being (loosely) based on ''[[ComicBook/Marvel1602 1602]]'' , 1602]]'', the tone is still very light-hearted when compared to the source material.
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** Judging by the sketches in his lab, the 1602 Tony Stark does double-duty as the altered reality's Leonardo da Vinci. ''Way'' back in ''Iron Man'', Christine Everhart said the main timeline's Tony had been called "the da Vinci of our time". Looks like it's actually true for this Tony.
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* AdaptationalJerkass: Thor and Hogan are quick to blame Peggy for everything and act accordingly.

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* AdaptationalJerkass: King Thor and Sir Hogan are quick to blame Peggy for everything and act accordingly.



* HatDamage: Steve slices the feather in Happy Hogan's hat. This turns out to be his BerserkButton.

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* HatDamage: Steve slices the feather in Happy Sir Hogan's hat. This turns out to be his BerserkButton.



* HopeSpot: The Merry Men seem to have defeated the Yellowjackets... until Hogan brings out the Destroyer.
* IWantThemAlive: Hogan tells the Yellowjackets that King Thor wants Carter taken alive, but the Merry Men's lives are at the assassins' discretion.
* InSpiteOfANail: Despite it being a completely different universe even before the time periods collapsed onto each other, Hogan can transform into the Freak like one of his alternate selves.

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* HopeSpot: The Merry Men seem to have defeated the Yellowjackets... until Sir Hogan brings out the Destroyer.
* IWantThemAlive: Sir Hogan tells the Yellowjackets that King Thor wants Carter taken alive, but the Merry Men's lives are at the assassins' discretion.
* InSpiteOfANail: Despite it being a completely different universe even before the time periods collapsed onto each other, Sir Hogan can transform into the Freak like one of his alternate selves.



** Steve when Hogan transforms into The Freak.

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** Steve when Sir Hogan transforms into The Freak.



* WaxingLyrical: Hogan quotes the lyrics, "The pipes are calling" from the Irish song, "Danny Boy", after throwing a harpsichord at the Hulk.

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* WaxingLyrical: Sir Hogan quotes the lyrics, "The pipes are calling" from the Irish song, "Danny Boy", after throwing a harpsichord at the Hulk.

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