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* WithUsOrAgainstUs: The Speed Force tells Barry this when deciding to kill Alexa.
* YouGotSpunk: Kramer admits that she admires Frost's fighting spirit.

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* WithUsOrAgainstUs: The Speed Force tells Barry this when deciding to kill Alexa.
* YouGotSpunk: Kramer admits that she admires Frost's fighting spirit.
Alexa.
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* AbsenteeActor: Chester doesn’t appear in this episode.

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With Frost facing an unjust punishment for her past crimes, Caitlin goes to great lengths to save her sister. Meanwhile, Barry's efforts to protect Speed Force Nora lead to a shocking discovery

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With Frost facing an unjust punishment for her past crimes, Caitlin goes to great lengths to save her sister. Meanwhile, Barry's efforts to protect Speed Force Nora lead to a shocking discoverydiscovery.


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* TheHeist: Caitlin, Cisco, and Kamela break into [=CCPD=] to destroy the meta human cure.


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* WhamEpisode: A major one. Frost ends up getting life imprisonment while Speed Force Nora undergoes a FaceHeelTurn.
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* ArtisticLicenseLaw: Probably the most blatant example in the Arrowverse so far. A court absolutely cannot require or compel a person to take '' 'any''' type of drug, medication included, unless it's been fully tested and approved by the FDA, a process which takes years, while the meta cure hasn't even existed that long. It's also not even within a judge's prerogative to issue a penalty that isn't ratified by legislation.

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* ArtisticLicenseLaw: Probably the most blatant example in the Arrowverse so far. A court absolutely cannot require or compel a person to take '' 'any''' ''any'' type of drug, medication included, unless it's been fully tested and approved by the FDA, a process which takes years, while the meta cure hasn't even existed that long. It's also not even within a judge's prerogative to issue a penalty that isn't ratified by legislation.
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* ArtisticLicenseLaw: Probably the most blatant example in the Arrowverse so far. A court absolutely cannot require or compel a person to take '' 'any''' type of drug, medication included, unless it's been fully tested and approved by the FDA, a process which takes years, while the meta cure hasn't even existed that long. It's also not even within a judge's prerogative to issue a penalty that isn't ratified by by legislation.
** Even if the judge did rule that way, it would never make it past an appeals court, and Cecile could have appealed it all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary, which would take '''decades''', all while Frost was out on continuing bail.
** The district attorney's stunt of accusing Frost in open court also wouldn't fly; in real life, she'd be sanctioned for belting out the accusation in court when she could have easily called a sidebar. Also the break-in couldn't legally be factored into sentencing without proof she was directly involved, evidence of foul play wouldn't be enough alone.

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* ArtisticLicenseLaw: Probably the most blatant example in the Arrowverse so far. A court absolutely cannot require or compel a person to take '' 'any''' type of drug, medication included, unless it's been fully tested and approved by the FDA, a process which takes years, while the meta cure hasn't even existed that long. It's also not even within a judge's prerogative to issue a penalty that isn't ratified by by legislation.
legislation.
** Even if the judge did rule that way, it would never make it past an appeals court, and Cecile could have appealed it all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary, which would take '''decades''', all while Frost was out on continuing bail.
bail.
** The district attorney's stunt of accusing Frost in open court also wouldn't fly; in real life, she'd be sanctioned for belting out the accusation in court when she could have easily called a sidebar. Also the break-in couldn't legally be factored into sentencing without proof she was directly involved, evidence of foul play wouldn't be enough alone.



* ExactWords: The prosecution’s argument for Frost being depowered was “to ensure that this extremely dangerous criminal no longer threatens our good citizens.” Once Frost proposes the alternative punishment of life in prison without parole, Kramer tries to interject that the state isn’t interested in that punishment, only for Cecile to point out that Frost’s proposal does ''exactly'' what the prosecution wanted.

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* ExactWords: The prosecution’s argument for Frost being depowered was “to "to ensure that this extremely dangerous criminal no longer threatens our good citizens." Once Frost proposes the alternative punishment of life in prison without parole, Kramer tries to interject that the state isn’t interested in that punishment, only for Cecile to point out that Frost’s Frost's proposal does ''exactly'' what the prosecution wanted.



* TwoLinesNoWaiting: Barry, Iris and the Speed Force trying to get ahold of Fuerza is giving the same weight as the trial against Frost.

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* TwoLinesNoWaiting: Barry, Iris Iris, and the Speed Force trying to get ahold of Fuerza is giving given the same weight as the trial against Frost.
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Yeah im sorry but thats still not an official link. Besides, it's not an either or question, it can be an allegory for both. But I expanded it a bit

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** In addition to the already existing themes of the corrupt justice system and holding somebody's past against them, Frost's speech about how it is wrong to try and change what a person is in order to punish them rings eerily similar to conversion therapy.
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** Frost's speech about how it is wrong to try and change what a person is in order to punish her rings eerily similar to conversion therapy.

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* HeroicSacrifice: Not wanting to become a legal precedent for metahumans being forcibly cured, Frost willingly enter life imprisonment.

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* HeroicSacrifice: Not wanting to become a legal precedent for metahumans being forcibly cured, Frost willingly enter enters life imprisonment.



* PutOnABus: Kramer leaves Central City.



* PutOnABus: Kramer leaves Central City.



* WeNeedADistraction: Caitlin distracts the front desk while Allegra tries to disable the cure. When Allega gets caught by Kramer, she then distracts the latter while Caitlin disables the cure herself.

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* WeNeedADistraction: Caitlin distracts the front desk while Allegra tries to disable the cure. When Allega Allegra gets caught by Kramer, she then distracts the latter while Caitlin disables the cure herself.
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* SelfServingMemory: The prosecuter says only Killer Frost could have had motive to destroy the meta cure; it seems she forgot about the '''hundreds''' of meta criminals in Central City who probably wouldn't be too keen on the possibility of having their powers taken away.

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* SelfServingMemory: The prosecuter prosecutor says only Killer Frost could have had motive to destroy the meta cure; it seems she forgot about the '''hundreds''' of meta criminals in Central City who probably wouldn't be too keen on the possibility of having their powers taken away.



* WeNeedAdistraction: Caitlin dsitracts the front desk while Allegra tries to disable the cure. When Allega gets caught by Kramer, she then distracts the latter while Caitlin disables the cure herself.

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* WeNeedAdistraction: WeNeedADistraction: Caitlin dsitracts distracts the front desk while Allegra tries to disable the cure. When Allega gets caught by Kramer, she then distracts the latter while Caitlin disables the cure herself.



* YouGotSpunk: Kramer admits that she admits Frost's fighting spirit.

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* YouGotSpunk: Kramer admits that she admits admires Frost's fighting spirit.

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* TheBusCameBack: Norvok makes an appearance at the trial.
* ContinuityNod: A.R.G.U.S. appears.
* CrazyPrepared: Kramer had the cure replicated beforehand due to suspecting it being destroyed.
* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything:
** Alexa not having control over her actions as Fuerza is directly compared to her past as a drug addict.
** Frost's speech about how it is wrong to try and change what a person is in order to punish her rings eerily similar to conversion therapy.
* EatenAlive: How the Speed Force describes the other Forces attacking her felt like.



* FaceHeelTurn: The Speed Force turns against Barry and Iris.
* FantasticRacism: Kramer is revealed to hold a grudge against meta-humans - rather than Frost specifically - because she was once betrayed by a meta-human, and subsequently came to desire the depowering of any meta-human who doesn’t use their powers for good; when Frost proposes an alternative punishment of life in prison without parole, Kramer outright tries to argue that isn’t something the state is interested.

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* FaceHeelTurn: The Speed Force turns against Barry and Iris.
Iris, manipulating them into helping her kill Alexa.
* FantasticRacism: Coupled with FreudianExcuse. Kramer is revealed to hold a grudge against meta-humans - rather than Frost specifically - because she was once betrayed by a meta-human, and subsequently came to desire the depowering of any meta-human who doesn’t use their powers for good; when Frost proposes an alternative punishment of life in prison without parole, Kramer outright tries to argue that isn’t something the state is interested.interested.
* GoodCopBadCop: While Barry tries to calmly explain the situation to Alexa, the Speed Force calls her a monster.
* HeroicBSOD: Cecile becomes desperate after the scheme to destroy the cure gets uncovered, saying that they lost.
* HeroicSacrifice: Not wanting to become a legal precedent for metahumans being forcibly cured, Frost willingly enter life imprisonment.
* ItsAllAboutMe: Frost accuses Caitlin of being selfish in her effort to keep her out of prison, as she doesn't understand Frost not wanting to take the cure. Caitlin eventually concedes this.
* MakeAnExampleOfThem: Kramer specifically wants to set legal precedent with Frost, in order to force the cure on every metahuman criminal in the future.
* ManipulativeBitch: The Speed Force shoots a lightning bolt at Iris in order for Barry to deflect it and thus generate enough power to kill Alexa.
* MustMakeAmends: Frost makes it clear that she wants no foul play to bust her out.
* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Frost is certainly not happy with her friends for destroying the meta cure, which only makes her situation worse.
* NothingPersonal: Both Kramer and Joe affirm their respect for one another despite disagreeing on many things.



* SelfServingMemory: The prosecuter says only Killer Frost could have had motive to destroy the meta cure; it seems she forgot about the '''hundreds''' of meta criminals in Central City who probably wouldn't be too keen on the possibility of having their powers taken away.

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* TheReveal: Turns out Fuerza targeted Abra Kadabra because Alexa was mad at him for destroying one of her housing projects.
* SelfServingMemory: The prosecuter says only Killer Frost could have had motive to destroy the meta cure; it seems she forgot about the '''hundreds''' of meta criminals in Central City who probably wouldn't be too keen on the possibility of having their powers taken away.away.
* TomatoInTheMirror: Alexa Rivera, who is completely shocked upon discovering that she is Fuerza.
* TwoLinesNoWaiting: Barry, Iris and the Speed Force trying to get ahold of Fuerza is giving the same weight as the trial against Frost.
* WeNeedAdistraction: Caitlin dsitracts the front desk while Allegra tries to disable the cure. When Allega gets caught by Kramer, she then distracts the latter while Caitlin disables the cure herself.
* WithUsOrAgainstUs: The Speed Force tells Barry this when deciding to kill Alexa.
* YouGotSpunk: Kramer admits that she admits Frost's fighting spirit.
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* FantasticRacism: Kramer is revealed to hold a grudge against meta-humans - rather than Frost specifically - because she was once betrayed by a meta-human, and subsequently came to desire the depowering of any meta-human who doesn’t use their powers for good; when Frost proposes an alternative punishment of life in prison without parole, Kramer outright tries to argue that isn’t something the state is interested.
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** The entire process is also displayed incorrectly. The attorneys don't request a certain sentence, you have to submit a recommendation before the sentencing hearing, and to recommend an atypical sentence requires a motion and at the very least a separate hearing on whether or not the proposed sentence is constitutional. Also the length of Frost's prison term is completely at the judges discretion, a request from the defendant and the wishes of the prosecuter don't really change anything, so Cecile's throwing her own words back at her was completely unnecessary.

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** The entire process is also displayed incorrectly. The attorneys don't request a certain sentence, you have to submit a recommendation before the sentencing hearing, and to recommend an atypical sentence requires a motion and at the very least a separate hearing on whether or not the proposed sentence is constitutional. Also the length of Frost's prison term is completely at the judges judge's discretion, a request from the defendant and the wishes of the prosecuter prosecutor don't really change anything, so Cecile's throwing her own words back at her was completely unnecessary.
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** The district attorney's stunt of accusing Frost in open court also wouldn't fly; in real life, she'd be sanctioned for belting out the accusation in court when she could have easily called a sidebar. Also the break in couldn't legally be factored into sentencing without proof she was directly involved, evidence of foul play wouldn't be enough alone.

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** The district attorney's stunt of accusing Frost in open court also wouldn't fly; in real life, she'd be sanctioned for belting out the accusation in court when she could have easily called a sidebar. Also the break in break-in couldn't legally be factored into sentencing without proof she was directly involved, evidence of foul play wouldn't be enough alone.
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** The district attorney's stunt of accusing Frost in open court also wouldn't fly, in real life she'd be sanctioned for belting out the accusation in court when she could have easily called a sidebar. Also the break in couldn't legally be factored into sentencing without proof she was directly involved, evidence of foul play wouldn't be enough alone.

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** The district attorney's stunt of accusing Frost in open court also wouldn't fly, fly; in real life life, she'd be sanctioned for belting out the accusation in court when she could have easily called a sidebar. Also the break in couldn't legally be factored into sentencing without proof she was directly involved, evidence of foul play wouldn't be enough alone.



* SelfServingMemory: The prosecuter says only Killer Frost could have had motive to destroy the meta cure, it seems she forgot about the '''hundreds''' of meta criminals in Central City who probably wouldn't be too keen on the possibility of having their powers taken away.

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* SelfServingMemory: The prosecuter says only Killer Frost could have had motive to destroy the meta cure, cure; it seems she forgot about the '''hundreds''' of meta criminals in Central City who probably wouldn't be too keen on the possibility of having their powers taken away.
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* ArtisticLicenseLaw: Probably the most blatant example in the Arrowverse so far. A court absolutely cannot require or compel a person to take '' 'any''' type of drug, medication included, unless its been fully tested and approved by the FDA, a process which takes years, while the meta cure hasn't even existed that long. It's also not even within a Judges prerogative to issue a penalty that isn't ratified by by legislation.

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* ArtisticLicenseLaw: Probably the most blatant example in the Arrowverse so far. A court absolutely cannot require or compel a person to take '' 'any''' type of drug, medication included, unless its it's been fully tested and approved by the FDA, a process which takes years, while the meta cure hasn't even existed that long. It's also not even within a Judges judge's prerogative to issue a penalty that isn't ratified by by legislation.
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** The simple fact that Cecile allowed Frost to enter a guilty plea without having a pre-negotiated sentencing agreement is rank incompetence for any defense attorney.

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* ExactWords: The prosecution’s argument for Frost being depowered was “to ensure that this extremely dangerous criminal no longer threatens our good citizens.” Once Frost proposes the alternative punishment of life in prison without parole, Kramer tries to interject that the state isn’t interested in that punishment, only for Cecile to point out that Frost’s proposal does ''exactly'' what the prosecution wanted.



* WhatAnIdiot: The prosecuter says only Killer Frost could have had motive to destroy the meta cure, it seems she forgot about the '''hundreds''' of meta criminals in Central City who probably wouldn't be too keen on the possibility of having their powers taken away.

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* WhatAnIdiot: SelfServingMemory: The prosecuter says only Killer Frost could have had motive to destroy the meta cure, it seems she forgot about the '''hundreds''' of meta criminals in Central City who probably wouldn't be too keen on the possibility of having their powers taken away.

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* ArtisticLicenseLaw: Probably the most blatant example in the Arrowverse so far. A court absolutely cannot require or compel a person to take any type of drug, medication included, unless its been fully tested and approved by the FDA, a process which takes years, while the meta cure hasn't even existed that long. It's also not even within a Judges prerogative to issue a penalty that isn't ratified by by legislation.
** Even if the judge did rule that way, it would never make it past an appeals court, and Cecile could have appealed it all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary, which would take ***decades***, all while Frost was out on continuing bail.

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* ArtisticLicenseLaw: Probably the most blatant example in the Arrowverse so far. A court absolutely cannot require or compel a person to take any '' 'any''' type of drug, medication included, unless its been fully tested and approved by the FDA, a process which takes years, while the meta cure hasn't even existed that long. It's also not even within a Judges prerogative to issue a penalty that isn't ratified by by legislation.
** Even if the judge did rule that way, it would never make it past an appeals court, and Cecile could have appealed it all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary, which would take ***decades***, '''decades''', all while Frost was out on continuing bail.



** The entire process is also displayed incorrectly. The attorneys don't request a certain sentence, you have to submit a recommendation before the sentencing hearing, and to recommend an atypical sentence requires a motion and at the very least a separate hearing on whether or not the proposed sentence is constitutional. Also the length of Frost's prison term is completely at the judges discretion, a request from the defendant and the wishes of the prosecuter don't really change anything, so Cecile's throwing her own words back at her was completely unnecessary.



* WhatAnIdiot: Kramer says only Killer Frost could have had motive to destroy the meta cure, it seems she forgot about the hundreds of meta criminals in Central City who probably wouldn't be too keen on the possibility of having their powers taken away.

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* WhatAnIdiot: Kramer The prosecuter says only Killer Frost could have had motive to destroy the meta cure, it seems she forgot about the hundreds '''hundreds''' of meta criminals in Central City who probably wouldn't be too keen on the possibility of having their powers taken away.
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* ArtisticLicenseLaw: Probably the most blatant example in the Arrowverse so far. A court absolutely cannot require compel a person to take a ***any*** type of drug, medication included, unless its been fully tested and approved by the FDA, a process which takes years, while the meta cure hasn't even existed that long. It's also not even wothin a Judges prerogative to issue a penalty that isn't ratified by by legislation.

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* ArtisticLicenseLaw: Probably the most blatant example in the Arrowverse so far. A court absolutely cannot require or compel a person to take a ***any*** any type of drug, medication included, unless its been fully tested and approved by the FDA, a process which takes years, while the meta cure hasn't even existed that long. It's also not even wothin within a Judges prerogative to issue a penalty that isn't ratified by by legislation.
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* ArtisticLicenseLaw: Probably the most blatant example in the Arrowverse so far. A court absolutely cannot require compel a person to take a ***any*** type of drug, medication included, unless its been fully tested and approved by the FDA, a process which takes years, while the meta cure hasn't even existed that long. It's also not even wothin a Judges prerogative to issue a penalty that isn't ratified by by legislation.
** Even if the judge did rule that way, it would never make it past an appeals court, and Cecile could have appealed it all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary, which would take ***decades***, all while Frost was out on continuing bail.
** The district attorney's stunt of accusing Frost in open court also wouldn't fly, in real life she'd be sanctioned for belting out the accusation in court when she could have easily called a sidebar. Also the break in couldn't legally be factored into sentencing without proof she was directly involved, evidence of foul play wouldn't be enough alone.



* PutOnABus: Kramer leaves Central City.

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* PutOnABus: Kramer leaves Central City.City.
*WhatAnIdiot: Kramer says only Killer Frost could have had motive to destroy the meta cure, it seems she forgot about the hundreds of meta criminals in Central City who probably wouldn't be too keen on the possibility of having their powers taken away.
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* FaceHeelTurn: The Speed Force turns against Barry and Iris.

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* FaceHeelTurn: The Speed Force turns against Barry and Iris.Iris.
* PutOnAPrisonBus: Frost asks for a life imprisonment sentence and gets it.
* PutOnABus: Kramer leaves Central City.
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* AbsenteeActor: Chester doesn’t appear in this episode.
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* FaceHeelTurn: The Speed Force turn against Barry and Iris.

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* FaceHeelTurn: The Speed Force turn turns against Barry and Iris.
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* FaceHeelTurn: The Speed Force.

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* FaceHeelTurn: The Speed Force.Force turn against Barry and Iris.
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*FaceHeelTurn: The Speed Force.
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With Frost facing an unjust punishment for her past crimes, Caitlin goes to great lengths to save her sister. Meanwhile, Barry's efforts to protect Speed Force Nora lead to a shocking discovery
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