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* PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad: {{Discussed|Trope}}. Part of Bojack's frustration about Diane and others not thinking that he's the biggest victim of his own shortcomings is because it doesn't fit the perceived narrative of what "victim" means (ie, not a rich cishetero man).

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* PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad: {{Discussed|Trope}}. Part of Bojack's frustration about Diane and others not thinking that he's the biggest victim of his own shortcomings is because it doesn't fit the perceived narrative of what "victim" means (ie, not a rich wealthy cishetero man).man like him is considered too privileged to possibly be a victim.
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* PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad: {{Discussed|Trope}}. Part of Bojack's frustration about Diane and others not thinking that he's the biggest victim of his own shortcomings is because it doesn't fit the perceived narrative of what "victim" means (ie, not a rich cishetero man).

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* BothSidesHaveAPoint: On the one hand, Diane is right to tell Bojack that he is far from the biggest victim of his own actions (as she points out, at least he's ''alive'', unlike Sarah Lynn) and that he still has a long way to go to be the person he claims that he wants to be. However, she's implied to believe that [[NoSympathy he's not suffering]] ''[[NoSympathy at all]]'' and, as Bojack tells her, is too proud to admit that she has a lot of the same emotional hangups as him.

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* BothSidesHaveAPoint: On the one hand, Diane is right to tell Bojack that he is far from and Diane have their disagreements about who has suffered the biggest victim "most" because of his own Bojack's actions (as she points out, at least largely because they have two different understandings of what "most" means.
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he's ''alive'', unlike Sarah Lynn) and that he still has a long way to go to be suffered the person he claims that he wants to be. However, she's implied to believe that [[NoSympathy most ''consistently.'' While most of the people he's hurt or traumatized, some more than others, were able to move on with their lives and not suffering]] ''[[NoSympathy at all]]'' and, as let what Bojack tells her, is too proud did to admit them dictate all of their decisions from that point on, Bojack is forced to live with the shame of what he's done every day of his life, and it's something he had to do entirely on his own because there's no good reason for anyone to ''be'' sympathetic to him when all of his internal struggling is his own fault. Even if help was available for him, he wouldn't know how to ask for it because of his mental illness.
** To Diane, "the most" means "the worst." Bojack is the furthest thing from what
she considers a victim because he wasn't almost raped, he's still alive and his best friend wasn't indirectly responsible for getting him blacklisted in Hollywood, unlike Penny, Sarah Lynn or Herb, respectively. Feeling sorry for yourself is not the worst thing someone can go through and compared to them, Bojack's basically has a lot of the same emotional hangups as him.FirstWorldProblems.

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* FreudianSlip: During the introduction to ''Philbert'', [=BoJack=] accidentally cals Flip "Herb".


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* WrongNameOutburst: During the introduction to ''Philbert'', [=BoJack=] accidentally calls Flip "Herb".
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* SpiritualAdaptation: Not officially, but to the ''Series/Friends'' episode "The One With The Morning After". Both the episodes involve an argument which results in a break-up.

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* SpiritualAdaptation: Not officially, but to the ''Series/Friends'' ''Series/{{Friends}}'' episode "The One With The Morning After". Both the episodes involve an argument which results in a break-up.
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* SpiritualAdaptation: Not officially, but to the ''Series/Friends'' episode "The One With The Morning After". Both the episodes involve an argument which results in a break-up.
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* DownerEnding: Bojack and Diane have a nasty fight which results in them breaking ties with each other and Diane not wanting to see him again.

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* DownerEnding: Bojack and After her feud with Bojack, Diane have a nasty fight which results in them breaking ties with each other and Diane finally washes her hands off him, not wanting to see him again.again and quits Philbert as a result.
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There's no way to know that it was meant to criticize Rick and Morty fans who blindly follow Rick, as there aren't any references to Rick and Morty in this season of Bo Jack Horseman that would seem to signify this, the issue of blind Rick-followers (believing that perceiving yourself as smart means you don't have to be nice) is different from blind Bo Jack followers (believing that being depressed means that you don't have to take responsibility for your bad behavior), and Raphael Bob-Waksberg has not talked about Rick and Morty in any interviews meant to talk about Season 5, despite it seeming like something he would have some things to say about (he's a fan of Rick and Morty, but not big enough of one to allow a Bo Jack-R&M crossover as some have asked for, and considering how media accountability is a theme of the season, and the entire series to a lesser extent, it would seem like he would want to publicly condemn those who treat Rick's worst qualities as things worth celebrating and harass female R&M writers and Mc Donald's employees), so ultimately, to try to interpret Bo Jack and Diane's argument as a statement against Rick and Morty fans is some pretty far-reaching conjecture. Tying back to media accountability, Bob-Waksberg likely believes that the behavior of fans of his show is more of his responsibility to call out as needed than anyone else's shows, so he probably wouldn't try to target toxic Rick and Morty fans too harshly outside of a brief Take That! or two.


* LeaningOnTheFourthWall: Diane's concern that fans of Philbert are sympathizing too much with the character and justifying their own awful behavior through him seems to be referencing the show itself, its fans, and [=BoJack=]'s behavior.[[note]]Some have theorized that this was meant to reflect on the fans of ''Bojack'' themselves, though it's more likely a response to fans of ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'' who don't intuit that Rick isn't a role model.[[/note]]

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* LeaningOnTheFourthWall: Diane's concern that fans of Philbert are sympathizing too much with the character and justifying their own awful behavior through him seems to be referencing the show itself, its fans, and [=BoJack=]'s behavior.[[note]]Some have theorized that this was meant to reflect on the fans of ''Bojack'' themselves, though it's more likely a response to fans of ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'' who don't intuit that Rick isn't a role model.[[/note]]



* OnceMoreWithClarity: After two seasons of ambiguity, we find out that Charlotte was the one to make the first move when she was with Bojack in his boat in New Mexico.

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* OnceMoreWithClarity: After two seasons of ambiguity, we find out that Charlotte Penny was the one to make the first move when she was with Bojack in his boat in New Mexico.

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* BothSidesHaveAPoint: On the one hand, Diane is right to tell Bojack that he is far from the biggest victim of his own actions (as she points out, at least he's ''alive'', unlike Sarah Lynn) and that he still has a long way to go to be the person he claims that he wants to be. However, she's implied to believe that [[NoSympathy he's not suffering]] ''[[NoSympathy at all]]'' and, as Bojack tells her, is too proud to admit that she has a lot of the same emotional hangups as him.



* LeaningOnTheFourthWall: Diane's concern that fans of Philbert are sympathizing too much with the character and justifying their own awful behavior through him seems to be referencing the show itself, its fans, and [=BoJack=]'s behavior.

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* LeaningOnTheFourthWall: Diane's concern that fans of Philbert are sympathizing too much with the character and justifying their own awful behavior through him seems to be referencing the show itself, its fans, and [=BoJack=]'s behavior.[[note]]Some have theorized that this was meant to reflect on the fans of ''Bojack'' themselves, though it's more likely a response to fans of ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'' who don't intuit that Rick isn't a role model.[[/note]]


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* OnceMoreWithClarity: After two seasons of ambiguity, we find out that Charlotte was the one to make the first move when she was with Bojack in his boat in New Mexico.
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* WeUsedToBeFriends: By the time this episode ends, Bojack and Diane's friendship is tarnished.
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* DownerEnding: Bojack and Diane have a nasty fight which results in them breaking ties with each other and Diane not wanting to see him again.
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* FreudianSlip: During the introduction to ''Philbert'', [=BoJack=] accidentally cals Flip "Herb".

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* CallBack: Diane finally confronts [=BoJack=] about what happened in New Mexico.

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* CallBack: CallBack:
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Diane finally confronts [=BoJack=] about what happened in New Mexico.Mexico.
** When trying to justify what happened in "Escape From L.A.", Bojack points out that Penny was 17 at the time (the legal age of consent in New Mexico) and sober, the same excuses that Penny used in trying to get him to have sex with her.


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* VerbalBackspace: When Bojack is explaining what happened in New Mexico:
--> '''Bojack:''' ...So then she came onto my boat. Charlotte, I mean, and she walked in, and I was with her daughter. But again, nothing had happened yet.\\
'''Diane:''' ''Yet?''\\
'''Bojack:''' Nothing happened.
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'''Diane:''' Really? More than say, [[WhamLine Sarah]] [[KilledOffForReal Lynn]]?

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'''Diane:''' Really? More than than, say, [[WhamLine Sarah]] [[KilledOffForReal Lynn]]?''[[WhamLine Sarah]]'' ''[[KilledOffForReal Lynn]]''?
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'''Diane:''' Really? More than say, [[FormerChildStar Sarah]] [[KilledOffForReal Lynn]]?

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'''Diane:''' Really? More than say, [[FormerChildStar [[WhamLine Sarah]] [[KilledOffForReal Lynn]]?
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* ArmorPiercingQuestion: When Diane calls out Bojack on his ItsAllAboutMe attitude towards his awful actions:

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* ArmorPiercingQuestion: When Diane calls out Bojack [=BoJack=] on his ItsAllAboutMe attitude towards his awful actions:



'''Bojack:''' Yeah, I have!\\

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'''Bojack:''' '''[=BoJack=]:''' Yeah, I have!\\



'''Bojack:''' The most!\\

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'''Bojack:''' '''[=BoJack=]:''' The most!\\



* TheBusCameBack: Esteemed Character Actress Margo Martindale is revealed to have survived [[Recap/BojackHorsemanS3E12ThatWentWell her collision with the pasta cargo ship]], washing up somewhere near a convent of nuns, but has been unable to communicate with them. The first words any of them hear her say are "[[MadnessMantra Bojack]]", due to the sudden appearance of the ''Philbert'' balloon.
* CallBack: Diane finally confronts Bojack about what happened in New Mexico.
* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: Bojack and Diane have a huge, nasty fight that ends with both of them seeking romantic/sexual comfort with someone else immediately afterwards, as if needing a rebound after the wedge they just drove between themselves.

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* TheBusCameBack: Esteemed Character Actress Margo Martindale is revealed to have survived [[Recap/BojackHorsemanS3E12ThatWentWell her collision with the pasta cargo ship]], washing up somewhere near a convent of nuns, but has been unable to communicate with them. The first words any of them hear her say are "[[MadnessMantra Bojack]]", BoJack]]", due to the sudden appearance of the ''Philbert'' balloon.
* CallBack: Diane finally confronts Bojack [=BoJack=] about what happened in New Mexico.
* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: Bojack [=BoJack=] and Diane have a huge, nasty fight that ends with both of them seeking romantic/sexual comfort with someone else immediately afterwards, as if needing a rebound after the wedge they just drove between themselves.
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* LivingEmotionalCrutch: Discussed by Diane to [=BoJack=], who throughout the series has used her friendship to validate himself and his horrible actions rather than go through the grueling work of bettering himself every day. She argues he can't keep doing horrible things and then rationalize that Diane is his friend, so he must be a good person, so he shouldn't feel bad or seek help for his terrible behavior.
* MoralityPet: Discussed, defied, and deconstructed by Diane to [=BoJack=]. Throughout the series (and especially this season), [=BoJack=] often commented how he feels like a better person around Diane, and she's changed him for the better. She calls him out on how he continues to fall off the wagon (like abuse prescription opioids) and do horrible things that ruin other people's lives (like trying to sleep with Penny, and causing Sarah Lynn's untimely death) whenever Diane is not there to act as his conscience.

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* LivingEmotionalCrutch: Discussed by Diane to [=BoJack=], who throughout the series has used her friendship to validate himself and his horrible actions rather than go through the grueling work of bettering himself every day. himself. She argues he can't keep doing horrible terrible things and then rationalize that Diane is his friend, so he must be a good person, so he shouldn't feel bad or seek help for his terrible behavior.
* MoralityPet: Discussed, defied, and deconstructed by Diane to [=BoJack=]. Throughout the series (and especially this season), [=BoJack=] often commented how he feels like a better person around Diane, and she's changed him for the better. She During the ''Philbert'' screening, Diane calls him out on how he continues to fall off the wagon (like abuse prescription opioids) and do horrible things that ruin other people's lives (like trying to sleep with Penny, and causing Sarah Lynn's untimely death) whenever Diane is not there to act as his conscience.



* WhatYouAreInTheDark: Diane calls [=BoJack=] out on this, by reminding him of how he continues to do horrible things when people aren't around to reign him in (like when he tried to sleep with Penny until Charlotte walked in, or got Sarah Lynn hooked back on hard drugs). She spells out for him how if he wants to get better he has to do it all the time of his own volition, not just when Diane or Charlotte or anyone else is around to stop him.

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* WhatYouAreInTheDark: Diane calls [=BoJack=] out on this, by reminding him of how he continues to do horrible things when people aren't around to reign him in (like when he tried to sleep with Penny until Charlotte walked in, or got Sarah Lynn hooked back on hard drugs). She spells out for him how if he wants to get better he has to do it all the time of his own volition, not just when Diane or Charlotte or anyone else is around to stop him.witness.
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* LivingEmotionalCrutch: Discussed by Diane to [=BoJack=], who throughout the series has used her friendship to validate himself and his horrible actions rather than go through the grueling work of bettering himself every day. She argues he can't keep doing horrible things and then rationalize that Diane is his friend, so he must be a good person, so he shouldn't feel bad or seek help for his terrible behavior.
* MoralityPet: Discussed, defied, and deconstructed by Diane to [=BoJack=]. Throughout the series (and especially this season), [=BoJack=] often commented how he feels like a better person around Diane, and she's changed him for the better. She calls him out on how he continues to fall off the wagon (like abuse prescription opioids) and do horrible things that ruin other people's lives (like trying to sleep with Penny, and causing Sarah Lynn's untimely death) whenever Diane is not there to act as his conscience.


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* WhatYouAreInTheDark: Diane calls [=BoJack=] out on this, by reminding him of how he continues to do horrible things when people aren't around to reign him in (like when he tried to sleep with Penny until Charlotte walked in, or got Sarah Lynn hooked back on hard drugs). She spells out for him how if he wants to get better he has to do it all the time of his own volition, not just when Diane or Charlotte or anyone else is around to stop him.
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* FunnyBackgroundEvent: At one point the synchronized swimmers from the first episode of ''Philbert'' can be seen in the background having drinks, and their drinking is perfectly synchronized.
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'''Diane:''' Really? More than say, [[FormerChildStar Sarah Lynn]]?

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'''Diane:''' Really? More than say, [[FormerChildStar Sarah Sarah]] [[KilledOffForReal Lynn]]?
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* ArmorPiercingQuestion: When Diane calls out Bojack on his ItsAllAboutMe attitude towards his awful actions:
--> '''Diane:''' So ''you're'' the victim here?\\
'''Bojack:''' Yeah, and I know that's not the woke, progressive, intersectionally appropriate thing to say, but I would say, yeah! I'm the one who has suffered the most because of the actions of Bojack Horseman.\\
'''Diane:''' ''You've'' suffered?\\
'''Bojack:''' Yeah, I have!\\
'''Diane:''' The most?\\
'''Bojack:''' The most!\\
'''Diane:''' Really? More than say, [[FormerChildStar Sarah Lynn]]?
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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: Bojack and Diane have a huge, nasty fight that ends with both of them seeking romantic/sexual comfort with someone else immediately afterwards, as if needing a rebound after the wedge they just created between themselves.

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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: Bojack and Diane have a huge, nasty fight that ends with both of them seeking romantic/sexual comfort with someone else immediately afterwards, as if needing a rebound after the wedge they just created drove between themselves.
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* TakeOurWordForIt: Everyone comments on how good the first episode of ''Philbert'' is, but the audience never gets to see more than a few seconds of it.
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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: Bojack and Diane have a huge, nasty fight that ends with both of them seeking romantic/sexual comfort with someone else immediately afterwards, as if needing to rebound off of the wedge they just created between themselves.

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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: Bojack and Diane have a huge, nasty fight that ends with both of them seeking romantic/sexual comfort with someone else immediately afterwards, as if needing to a rebound off of after the wedge they just created between themselves.
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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: Bojack and Diane have a huge, nasty fight that ends with both of them seeking romantic/sexual comfort with someone else immediately afterwards, as if needing to rebound off of the wedge they just created between themselves.
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* TheBusCameBack: Esteemed Character Actress Margo Martindale is revealed to have survived [[Recap/BojackHorsemanS3E12ThatWentWell her collision with the pasta cargo ship]], washing up somewhere near a convent of nuns, but has been unable to communicate with them. The first words any of them hear her say are "[[MadnessMantra Bojack]]", due to the sudden appearance of the ''Philbert'' campaign balloon.

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* TheBusCameBack: Esteemed Character Actress Margo Martindale is revealed to have survived [[Recap/BojackHorsemanS3E12ThatWentWell her collision with the pasta cargo ship]], washing up somewhere near a convent of nuns, but has been unable to communicate with them. The first words any of them hear her say are "[[MadnessMantra Bojack]]", due to the sudden appearance of the ''Philbert'' campaign balloon.
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* TheBusCameBack: Esteemed Character Actress Margo Martindale is revealed to have survived [[Recap/BojackHorsemanS3E12ThatWentWell her collision with the pasta cargo ship]], washing up somewhere near a convent of nuns, but has been unable to communicate with them. The first words any of them hear her say are "[[MadnessMantra Bojack]]", due to the sudden appearance of the ''Philbert'' campaign balloon.
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* LeaningOnTheFourthWall: Diane's concern that fans of Philbert are sympathizing too much with the character and justifying their own awful behavior through him seems to be referencing the show itself, its fans, and [=BoJack=]'s behavior.
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* CallBack: Diane finally confronts Bojack about what happened in New Mexico.
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At the "Philbert" premiere party, Princess Carolyn deftly negotiates a deal, Gina steps into the limelight, and Diane confronts [=BoJack=].
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