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** Happens again when Bojack tries to dismiss their entire shouting match as the two of them "just saying things".
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* PoliticalOvercorrectness: {{Discussed|Trope}}. Part of [=BoJack=]'s frustration about Diane and others not thinking that he's the biggest victim of his own shortcomings is because a wealthy, cisgender, heterosexual man like him is considered too privileged to possibly be a victim ''of anything''. Diane also mentions a line in ''Philbert'' that got cut because the executives at the website thought it would be insensitive to people that don't know what time is it.

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* PoliticalOvercorrectness: {{Discussed|Trope}}. Part of [=BoJack=]'s frustration about Diane and others not thinking that he's the biggest victim of his own shortcomings is because a wealthy, cisgender, heterosexual man like him is considered too privileged to possibly be a victim ''of anything''. Diane also mentions This is contrasted with a blatantly sexist line in ''Philbert'' that got getting cut because the executives at the website thought it would be insensitive to people that don't know what time is it.
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* BookEnds: [[Recap/BojackHorsemanS5E04BojackTheFeminist Bojack conviced Diane to join Philbert by telling her she helped him change for the better]], and this episode Diane quits the show after Bojack tells her he hasn't changed at all and is okay with that.
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* OnceMoreWithClarity: After two seasons of ambiguity, we find out that Penny was the one to make the first move when she was with [=BoJack=] in his boat in New Mexico.

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* OnceMoreWithClarity: After two three seasons of ambiguity, we find out that Penny was the one to make the first move when she was with [=BoJack=] in his boat in New Mexico.
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* BorrowedCatchphrase: Diane borrows the catchphrase of Mr. Peanutbutter's ''Philbert'' character.
--> '''Diane:''' Barf me a river.
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'''Bojack:''' Yeah, and I know that's not the woke, progressive, intersectionally appropriate thing to say, but I would say, yeah! I'm the one who has suffered the most because of the actions of Bojack Horseman.\\

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'''Bojack:''' Yeah, and I know that's not the woke, progressive, intersectionally appropriate thing to say, but I would say, yeah! I'm the one who has suffered the most because of the actions of Bojack [=BoJack=] Horseman.\\



* TheBigDamnKiss: Played with; Bojack comes to kiss Gina at the premiere, and it is played as such by the visuals -- they kiss in front of a crowd and a large fountain as fireworks go off behind them. However, it's clear that Bojack is spiraling from Diane's rejection and argument with him.
* BothSidesHaveAPoint: Bojack and Diane have their disagreements about who has suffered the "most" because of Bojack's actions largely because they have two different understandings of what "most" means.
** To Bojack, he's suffered the most ''consistently.'' While most of the people he's hurt or traumatized, some more than others, were able to move on with their lives and not let what Bojack did to them dictate all of their decisions from that point on, Bojack is forced to live with the shame of what he's done every day of his life, and it's something he had to do entirely on his own because there's no good reason for anyone to ''be'' sympathetic to him when all of his internal struggling is his own fault. Even if help was available for him, he wouldn't begin to know how to accept it.
** To Diane, Bojack hasn't suffered the most because he hasn't suffered the ''worst''. Feeling sorry for yourself is [[FirstWorldProblems far from the worst someone can go through]] and, unlike Penny, Sarah Lynn or Herb, he wasn't almost a statutory rape victim, he's still alive and his best friend wasn't indirectly responsible for getting him blacklisted, respectively.

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* TheBigDamnKiss: Played with; Bojack [=BoJack=] comes to kiss Gina at the premiere, and it is played as such by the visuals -- they kiss in front of a crowd and a large fountain as fireworks go off behind them. However, it's clear that Bojack [=BoJack=] is spiraling from Diane's rejection and argument with him.
* BothSidesHaveAPoint: Bojack [=BoJack=] and Diane have their disagreements about who has suffered the "most" because of Bojack's [=BoJack=]'s actions largely because they have two different understandings of what "most" means.
** To Bojack, [=BoJack=], he's suffered the most ''consistently.'' While most of the people he's hurt or traumatized, some more than others, were able to move on with their lives and not let what Bojack [=BoJack=] did to them dictate all of their decisions from that point on, Bojack [=BoJack=] is forced to live with the shame of what he's done every day of his life, and it's something he had to do entirely on his own because there's no good reason for anyone to ''be'' sympathetic to him when all of his internal struggling is his own fault. Even if help was available for him, he wouldn't begin to know how to accept it.
** To Diane, Bojack [=BoJack=] hasn't suffered the most because he hasn't suffered the ''worst''. Feeling sorry for yourself is [[FirstWorldProblems far from the worst someone can go through]] and, unlike Penny, Sarah Lynn or Herb, he wasn't almost a statutory rape victim, he's still alive and his best friend wasn't indirectly responsible for getting him blacklisted, respectively.



** When trying to justify what happened in "Escape From L.A.", Bojack points out that Penny was 17 at the time (the legal age of consent in New Mexico) and sober enough to consent, the same excuses that Penny used in trying to get him to have sex with her by reassuring him it would be legal. Like Charlotte, Diane doesn't accept this as an excuse for Bojack to have had sex with someone young enough to be his daughter, even if it only nearly happened.

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** When trying to justify what happened in "Escape From L.A.", Bojack [=BoJack=] points out that Penny was 17 at the time (the legal age of consent in New Mexico) and sober enough to consent, the same excuses that Penny used in trying to get him to have sex with her by reassuring him it would be legal. Like Charlotte, Diane doesn't accept this as an excuse for Bojack [=BoJack=] to have had sex with someone young enough to be his daughter, even if it only nearly happened.



* DownerEnding: After her feud with Bojack, Diane finally washes her hands off him, not wanting to see him again and quits Philbert as a result.

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* DownerEnding: After her feud with Bojack, [=BoJack=], Diane finally washes her hands off him, not wanting to see him again and quits Philbert as a result.



* OnceMoreWithClarity: After two seasons of ambiguity, we find out that Penny was the one to make the first move when she was with Bojack in his boat in New Mexico.
* PoliticalOvercorrectness: {{Discussed|Trope}}. Part of Bojack's frustration about Diane and others not thinking that he's the biggest victim of his own shortcomings is because a wealthy, cisgender, heterosexual man like him is considered too privileged to possibly be a victim ''of anything''. Diane also mentions a line in ''Philbert'' that got cut because the executives at the website thought it would be insensitive to people that don't know what time is it.

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* OnceMoreWithClarity: After two seasons of ambiguity, we find out that Penny was the one to make the first move when she was with Bojack [=BoJack=] in his boat in New Mexico.
* PoliticalOvercorrectness: {{Discussed|Trope}}. Part of Bojack's [=BoJack=]'s frustration about Diane and others not thinking that he's the biggest victim of his own shortcomings is because a wealthy, cisgender, heterosexual man like him is considered too privileged to possibly be a victim ''of anything''. Diane also mentions a line in ''Philbert'' that got cut because the executives at the website thought it would be insensitive to people that don't know what time is it.



* ThatCameOutWrong: When [=BoJack=] attempts to explained what [nearly] happened between him and Penny, he says that "nothing happened yet". Unfortunately, Diane catches the "yet" part. [=BoJack=] tries to do a VerbalBackspace to clarify this, but she was already walking out.
* VerbalBackspace: When Bojack is explaining what happened in New Mexico:

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* ThatCameOutWrong: When [=BoJack=] attempts to explained explain what [nearly] happened between him and Penny, he says that "nothing happened yet". Unfortunately, Diane catches the "yet" part. [=BoJack=] tries to do a VerbalBackspace to clarify this, but she was already walking out.
* VerbalBackspace: When Bojack [=BoJack=] is explaining what happened in New Mexico:



* WeUsedToBeFriends: By the time this episode ends, Bojack and Diane's friendship is tarnished.

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* WeUsedToBeFriends: By the time this episode ends, Bojack [=BoJack=] and Diane's friendship is tarnished.



* WriterOnBoard: Diane saying that the title character of ''Philbert'' shouldn't be a role model for people like himself is more or less the writers telling the audience point-blank how not to interpret Bojack himself.

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* WriterOnBoard: Diane saying that the title character of ''Philbert'' shouldn't be a role model for people like himself is more or less the writers telling the audience point-blank how not to interpret Bojack [=BoJack=] himself.
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* PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad: {{Discussed|Trope}}. Part of Bojack's frustration about Diane and others not thinking that he's the biggest victim of his own shortcomings is because a wealthy, cisgender, heterosexual man like him is considered too privileged to possibly be a victim ''of anything''. Diane also mentions a line in ''Philbert'' that got cut because the executives at the website thought it would be insensitive to people that don't know what time is it.

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* PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad: PoliticalOvercorrectness: {{Discussed|Trope}}. Part of Bojack's frustration about Diane and others not thinking that he's the biggest victim of his own shortcomings is because a wealthy, cisgender, heterosexual man like him is considered too privileged to possibly be a victim ''of anything''. Diane also mentions a line in ''Philbert'' that got cut because the executives at the website thought it would be insensitive to people that don't know what time is it.
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'''Diane:''' Really? More than, say, ''Sarah Lynn''?

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'''Diane:''' Really? More than, say, ''Sarah Lynn''?Lynn''?\\

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''([=BoJack=] flinches hard)''



* PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad: {{Discussed|Trope}}. Part of Bojack's frustration about Diane and others not thinking that he's the biggest victim of his own shortcomings is because a wealthy, cisgender man like him is considered too privileged to possibly be a victim ''of anything''. Diane also mentions a line in ''Philbert'' that got cut because the executives at the website thought it would be insensitive to people that don't know what time is it.

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* PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad: {{Discussed|Trope}}. Part of Bojack's frustration about Diane and others not thinking that he's the biggest victim of his own shortcomings is because a wealthy, cisgender cisgender, heterosexual man like him is considered too privileged to possibly be a victim ''of anything''. Diane also mentions a line in ''Philbert'' that got cut because the executives at the website thought it would be insensitive to people that don't know what time is it.

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* TheBigDamnKiss: Played with; Bojack comes to kiss Gina at the premiere, and it is played as such by the visuals -- they kiss in front of a crowd and a large fountain as fireworks go off behind them. However, it's clear that Bojack is spiraling from Diane's rejection.

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* TheBigDamnKiss: Played with; Bojack comes to kiss Gina at the premiere, and it is played as such by the visuals -- they kiss in front of a crowd and a large fountain as fireworks go off behind them. However, it's clear that Bojack is spiraling from Diane's rejection.rejection and argument with him.



* PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad: {{Discussed|Trope}}. Part of Bojack's frustration about Diane and others not thinking that he's the biggest victim of his own shortcomings is because a wealthy, cis,hetero man like him is considered too privileged to possibly be a victim ''of anything''. Diane also mentions a line in ''Philbert'' that got cut because the executives at the website thought it would be insensitive to people that don't know what time is it.

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* PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad: {{Discussed|Trope}}. Part of Bojack's frustration about Diane and others not thinking that he's the biggest victim of his own shortcomings is because a wealthy, cis,hetero cisgender man like him is considered too privileged to possibly be a victim ''of anything''. Diane also mentions a line in ''Philbert'' that got cut because the executives at the website thought it would be insensitive to people that don't know what time is it.


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* YouDidntAsk: When Diane asks [=BoJack=] why he didn't tell her about the incident of him in New Mexico, he replies that he never asked. She retorts by saying that she's asking him ''now'', and demands that he tell her.
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* PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad: {{Discussed|Trope}}. Part of Bojack's frustration about Diane and others not thinking that he's the biggest victim of his own shortcomings is because a wealthy cishetero man like him is considered too privileged to possibly be a victim ''of anything''. Diane also mentions a line in ''Philbert'' that got cut because the executives at the website thought it would be insensitive to people that don't know what time is it.

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* PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad: {{Discussed|Trope}}. Part of Bojack's frustration about Diane and others not thinking that he's the biggest victim of his own shortcomings is because a wealthy cishetero wealthy, cis,hetero man like him is considered too privileged to possibly be a victim ''of anything''. Diane also mentions a line in ''Philbert'' that got cut because the executives at the website thought it would be insensitive to people that don't know what time is it.

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* ThatCameOutWrong: When [=BoJack=] attempts to explained what [nearly] happened between him and Penny, he says that "nothing happened yet". Unfortunately, Diane catches the "yet" part. [=BoJack=] tries to do a VerbalBackspace to clarify this, but she was already walking out.



'''Diane:''' ''Yet?''\\

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'''Diane:''' ''Yet?''\\''"Yet"?!''\\

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* PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad: {{Discussed|Trope}}. Part of Bojack's frustration about Diane and others not thinking that he's the biggest victim of his own shortcomings is because a wealthy cishetero man like him is considered too privileged to possibly be a victim.
** Diane also mentions a line that got cut because the executives at the website thought it would be insenstive to people that don't know what time is it.

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* PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad: {{Discussed|Trope}}. Part of Bojack's frustration about Diane and others not thinking that he's the biggest victim of his own shortcomings is because a wealthy cishetero man like him is considered too privileged to possibly be a victim.
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victim ''of anything''. Diane also mentions a line in ''Philbert'' that got cut because the executives at the website thought it would be insenstive insensitive to people that don't know what time is it.
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** To Diane, Bojack hasn't suffered the most because he hasn't suffered the ''worst''. Feeling sorry for yourself is [[FirstWorldProblems far from the worst someone can go through]] and, unlike Penny, Sarah Lynn or Herb, he wasn't almost statutory raped, he's still alive and his best friend wasn't indirectly responsible for getting him blacklisted, respectively.

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** To Diane, Bojack hasn't suffered the most because he hasn't suffered the ''worst''. Feeling sorry for yourself is [[FirstWorldProblems far from the worst someone can go through]] and, unlike Penny, Sarah Lynn or Herb, he wasn't almost a statutory raped, rape victim, he's still alive and his best friend wasn't indirectly responsible for getting him blacklisted, respectively.

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'''Diane:''' Really? More than, say, ''[[WhamLine Sarah]]'' ''[[KilledOffForReal Lynn]]''?

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'''Diane:''' Really? More than, say, ''[[WhamLine Sarah]]'' ''[[KilledOffForReal Lynn]]''?''Sarah Lynn''?
* TheBigDamnKiss: Played with; Bojack comes to kiss Gina at the premiere, and it is played as such by the visuals -- they kiss in front of a crowd and a large fountain as fireworks go off behind them. However, it's clear that Bojack is spiraling from Diane's rejection.
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** Diane also mentions a line that got cut because the executives at the website thought it would be insenstive to people that don't know what time is it.
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** When trying to justify what happened in "Escape From L.A.", Bojack points out that Penny was 17 at the time (the legal age of consent in New Mexico) and sober enough to consent, the same excuses that Penny used in trying to get him to have sex with her by reassuring him it would be legal. Just like Charlotte, Diane doesn’t accept that what nearly happened was okay.

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** When trying to justify what happened in "Escape From L.A.", Bojack points out that Penny was 17 at the time (the legal age of consent in New Mexico) and sober enough to consent, the same excuses that Penny used in trying to get him to have sex with her by reassuring him it would be legal. Just like Like Charlotte, Diane doesn’t doesn't accept that what this as an excuse for Bojack to have had sex with someone young enough to be his daughter, even if it only nearly happened was okay. happened.
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* SpiritualAdaptation: Not officially, but to the ''Series/{{Friends}}'' episode "The One With The Morning After". Both the episodes involve an argument which results in a break-up.
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** To Diane, Bojack hasn't suffered the most because he hasn't suffered the ''worst''. Feeling sorry for yourself is [[FirstWorldProblems far from the worst someone can go through]] and, unlike Penny, Sarah Lynn or Herb, he wasn't almost raped, he's still alive and his best friend wasn't indirectly responsible for getting him blacklisted, respectively.

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** To Diane, Bojack hasn't suffered the most because he hasn't suffered the ''worst''. Feeling sorry for yourself is [[FirstWorldProblems far from the worst someone can go through]] and, unlike Penny, Sarah Lynn or Herb, he wasn't almost statutory raped, he's still alive and his best friend wasn't indirectly responsible for getting him blacklisted, respectively.



** When trying to justify what happened in "Escape From L.A.", Bojack points out that Penny was 17 at the time (the legal age of consent in New Mexico) and sober, the same excuses that Penny used in trying to get him to have sex with her.

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** When trying to justify what happened in "Escape From L.A.", Bojack points out that Penny was 17 at the time (the legal age of consent in New Mexico) and sober, sober enough to consent, the same excuses that Penny used in trying to get him to have sex with her.her by reassuring him it would be legal. Just like Charlotte, Diane doesn’t accept that what nearly happened was okay.
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** To Diane, "the most" means "the worst." Bojack is the furthest thing from what she considers a victim because he wasn't almost raped, he's still alive and his best friend wasn't indirectly responsible for getting him blacklisted in Hollywood, unlike Penny, Sarah Lynn or Herb, respectively. Feeling sorry for yourself is not the worst thing someone can go through and compared to them, Bojack's basically has FirstWorldProblems.

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** To Diane, "the most" means "the worst." Bojack is hasn't suffered the furthest thing from what she considers a victim most because he hasn't suffered the ''worst''. Feeling sorry for yourself is [[FirstWorldProblems far from the worst someone can go through]] and, unlike Penny, Sarah Lynn or Herb, he wasn't almost raped, he's still alive and his best friend wasn't indirectly responsible for getting him blacklisted in Hollywood, unlike Penny, Sarah Lynn or Herb, respectively. Feeling sorry for yourself is not the worst thing someone can go through and compared to them, Bojack's basically has FirstWorldProblems.blacklisted, respectively.
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** To Bojack, he's suffered the most ''consistently.'' While most of the people he's hurt or traumatized, some more than others, were able to move on with their lives and not let what Bojack did to them dictate all of their decisions from that point on, Bojack is forced to live with the shame of what he's done every day of his life, and it's something he had to do entirely on his own because there's no good reason for anyone to ''be'' sympathetic to him when all of his internal struggling is his own fault. Even if help was available for him, he wouldn't know how to ask for it because of his mental illness.

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** To Bojack, he's suffered the most ''consistently.'' While most of the people he's hurt or traumatized, some more than others, were able to move on with their lives and not let what Bojack did to them dictate all of their decisions from that point on, Bojack is forced to live with the shame of what he's done every day of his life, and it's something he had to do entirely on his own because there's no good reason for anyone to ''be'' sympathetic to him when all of his internal struggling is his own fault. Even if help was available for him, he wouldn't begin to know how to ask for it because of his mental illness.accept it.

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* LeaningOnTheFourthWall: Diane's concern that fans of Philbert are sympathizing too much with the character and justifying their own awful behavior through him seems to be referencing the show itself, its fans, and [=BoJack=]'s behavior.

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* LeaningOnTheFourthWall: Diane's Diane expresses some concern that fans of Philbert are sympathizing too much with the title character and justifying of ''Philbert'' won't be read as a flawed, interesting but ultimately morally objectionable character, rather he'll become a role model for toxic people to excuse their own awful behavior through him seems to be referencing morally objectionable behavior. This is a concern the show itself, its fans, and [=BoJack=]'s behavior.creators of ''Bojack'' have expressed about the title character of their own show.


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* WriterOnBoard: Diane saying that the title character of ''Philbert'' shouldn't be a role model for people like himself is more or less the writers telling the audience point-blank how not to interpret Bojack himself.

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