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** Batman himself looks more as if he was taken from [[Creator/TMSEntertainment TMS's]] episodes instead of Sunrise's in certain shots during the finale. Some of the criminals also have a not-so-subtle hint of TMS-style in them as well; while Sid himself looks incredibly {{Animesque}} in his design, especially in his eyes.

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** Batman himself looks more as if he was taken from [[Creator/TMSEntertainment TMS's]] episodes instead of Sunrise's in certain shots during the beginning and the finale. Some of the criminals also have a not-so-subtle hint of TMS-style in them as well; while Sid himself looks incredibly {{Animesque}} in his design, especially in his eyes.


** The episode as a whole is animated differently from the rest of Sunrise's episodes, particularly with how the characters' shadows look and the way they move when compared to their other episodes.
** Batman himself looks more as if he was taken from one of [[Creator/TMSEntertainment TMS's]] episodes instead of one of Sunrise's in certain shots during the finale. Some of the criminals also have a not-so-subtle hint of TMS-style in them as well while Sid himself looks incredibly {{Animesque}} in his design, especially in his eyes.

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** The episode as a whole is animated differently from the rest of Sunrise's episodes, particularly with how the characters' shadows look and the way they move when compared to their other episodes.
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** Batman himself looks more as if he was taken from one of [[Creator/TMSEntertainment TMS's]] episodes instead of one of Sunrise's in certain shots during the finale. Some of the criminals also have a not-so-subtle hint of TMS-style in them as well well; while Sid himself looks incredibly {{Animesque}} in his design, especially in his eyes.


* OffModel: You can tell [[Creator/{{Sunrise}} the animators]] had a hard time trying to keep Joker ''on'' model, as half of his scenes look like his face is melting or distorted. In addition, the episode as a whole is animated differently from the rest of Sunrise's episodes, particularly with how the characters' shadows look and the way they move when compared to their other episodes.
** Batman himself looks more as if he was taken from one of [[Creator/TMSEntertainment TMS's]] episodes instead of one of Sunrise's in certain shots during the finale.

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* OffModel: You can tell [[Creator/{{Sunrise}} the animators]] had a hard time trying to keep Joker ''on'' model, as half of his scenes look like his face is melting or distorted. In addition, the
** The
episode as a whole is animated differently from the rest of Sunrise's episodes, particularly with how the characters' shadows look and the way they move when compared to their other episodes.
** Batman himself looks more as if he was taken from one of [[Creator/TMSEntertainment TMS's]] episodes instead of one of Sunrise's in certain shots during the finale. Some of the criminals also have a not-so-subtle hint of TMS-style in them as well while Sid himself looks incredibly {{Animesque}} in his design, especially in his eyes.


* NoSocialSkills: Justified, Sid is a ManChild StrawLoser with a FriendlessBackground that makes him a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter. His only way to interact with others is putting up with the abuse.

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* NoSocialSkills: Justified, Sid is a ManChild StrawLoser with a FriendlessBackground that makes him a HorribleJudgeOfCharacter. His only way to interact with others is by putting up with the abuse.



* OffModel: You can tell [[Creator/{{Sunrise}} the animators]] had a hard time trying to keep Joker ''on'' model. In addition, the episode as a whole is animated differently from the rest of Sunrise's episodes.

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* OffModel: You can tell [[Creator/{{Sunrise}} the animators]] had a hard time trying to keep Joker ''on'' model. model, as half of his scenes look like his face is melting or distorted. In addition, the episode as a whole is animated differently from the rest of Sunrise's episodes.episodes, particularly with how the characters' shadows look and the way they move when compared to their other episodes.
** Batman himself looks more as if he was taken from one of [[Creator/TMSEntertainment TMS's]] episodes instead of one of Sunrise's in certain shots during the finale.


* GettingCrapPastTheRadar:
** Harley to Bullock: "I served you a subpoena once. It was a ''small'' subpoena."
** There is also the couple of Yiddish insults that the Joker slings Sid's way during his eulogy, most importantly "gunsel." (''Maybe'' he's using it in the kind-of-current-pulp-fiction-way that means "goon," but its original meaning is a rude name for homosexuals...)[[note]]It's very likely this was the case. The use of "gunsel" as "goon" stems from Creator/DashiellHammett and ''Literature/TheMalteseFalcon'', where he used the obscure word deliberately as WriterRevolt against an editor who wanted more gangland lingo used in Hammett's books -- it sounded so close to "gunman" that nobody noticed its real meaning. With the runaway popularity of the novel, the new meaning of "gunsel" took on a life of its own to where the word's original definition was completely forgotten.[[/note]]

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%% * GettingCrapPastTheRadar:
** Harley
GettingCrapPastThe Radar: Due to Bullock: "I served overwhelming and persistent misuse, GCPTR is on-page examples only until 01 June 2021. If you a subpoena once. It was a ''small'' subpoena."
** There is also the couple of Yiddish insults that the Joker slings Sid's way during his eulogy, most importantly "gunsel." (''Maybe'' he's using it
are reading this in the kind-of-current-pulp-fiction-way that means "goon," but its original meaning is a rude name for homosexuals...)[[note]]It's very likely this was future, please check the case. The use of "gunsel" as "goon" stems from Creator/DashiellHammett and ''Literature/TheMalteseFalcon'', where he used trope page to make sure your example fits the obscure word deliberately as WriterRevolt against an editor who wanted more gangland lingo used in Hammett's books -- it sounded so close to "gunman" that nobody noticed its real meaning. With the runaway popularity of the novel, the new meaning of "gunsel" took on a life of its own to where the word's original definition was completely forgotten.[[/note]]current definition.

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* TitleDrop: Joker does this while meeting Sid, a mook who had seemingly did the impossible and killed his longtime nemesis.


* NamesTheSame: The earlier episode ''Robin's Reckoning'' listed "Sid the Squid" as one of several alias used by Tony Zucco. It seems in criminal society since then, "Sid the Squid" has become an underworld nickname for "loser" or "worthless", and Debris happens to be both of those and is actually named Sidney.

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* NamesTheSame: The earlier episode ''Robin's Reckoning'' listed "Sid the Squid" as one of several alias used by Tony Zucco. It seems Zucco in criminal society since then, "Sid the Squid" has become an underworld nickname for "loser" or "worthless", and Debris happens to be both of those and is actually named Sidney.past.

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* NamesTheSame: The earlier episode ''Robin's Reckoning'' listed "Sid the Squid" as one of several alias used by Tony Zucco. It seems in criminal society since then, "Sid the Squid" has become an underworld nickname for "loser" or "worthless", and Debris happens to be both of those and is actually named Sidney.


Batman makes his dramatic entrance and quickly knocks Thorne out. Sid asks how Batman survived and he explains that he swung away before the explosion, and decided to tail Sid and lay low to find out who was heading the drug ring. Batman also saved Sidney from the acid. Sidney thanks Batman and tries to leave -- but Batman stops him, [[RealityEnsues pointing out Sid]] ''[[RealityEnsues is]]'' [[RealityEnsues still technically a criminal since he was an accomplice to a gang and was involved in a drug racket]]. Sid understands this, but Batman also adds that "in the right environment," a man of Sid's "dangerous reputation" can get "a lot of respect"...

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Batman makes his dramatic entrance and quickly knocks Thorne out. Sid asks how Batman survived and he explains that he swung away before the explosion, and decided to tail Sid and lay low to find out who was heading the drug ring. Batman also saved Sidney from the acid. Sidney thanks Batman and tries to leave -- but Batman stops him, [[RealityEnsues pointing out Sid]] ''[[RealityEnsues is]]'' [[RealityEnsues that Sid is still technically a criminal since he was an accomplice to a gang and was involved in a drug racket]].Thorne's gang]]. Sid understands this, but Batman also adds that "in the right environment," a man of Sid's "dangerous reputation" can get "a lot of respect"...


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* RealityEnsues: Given his HarmlessVillain status, his terrifying ordeal and the fact that he ended up unwittingly helping Batman take down Thorne, both the audience and Sid himself are inclined to believe he redeemed himself and thus can just walk away once Batman reappears. Though sympathetic, Batman still sends Sid to prison since regardless of intentions or subsequent action, he still ''is'' an accomplice to a criminal gang.

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* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: "Harleen Quinzel" is treated as a SueDonym, whereas it's later established to be Harley's real name.


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* RealNameAsAnAlias: Harley poses as Sid's legal counsel, "Harleen Quinzel," which is later established to be her real name.


As Harleen and Sidney are being driven around, Sid wonders who could've bailed him out (and who would want to) in the first place--Sid and his mother don't talk to each other anymore and Sid's parole officer is still in jail, so neither of them could've been the one to have put up bail. After Said complains about Harleen's makeup choking up the air, she turns around, revealing a familiar hat and black and white face paint...

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As Harleen and Sidney are being driven around, Sid wonders who could've bailed him out (and who would want to) in the first place--Sid place -- Sid and his mother don't talk to each other anymore and Sid's parole officer is still in jail, so neither of them could've been the one to have put up bail. After Said complains about Harleen's makeup choking up the air, she turns around, revealing a familiar hat and black and white face paint...



Batman makes his dramatic entrance and quickly knocks Thorne out. Sid asks how Batman survived and he explains that he swung away before the explosion, and decided to tail Sid and lay low to find out who was heading the drug ring. Batman also saved Sidney from the acid. Sidney thanks Batman and tries to leave--but Batman stops him, [[RealityEnsues pointing out Sid]] ''[[RealityEnsues is]]'' [[RealityEnsues still technically a criminal since he was an accomplice to a gang and was involved in a drug racket]]. Sid understands this, but Batman also adds that "in the right environment," a man of Sid's "dangerous reputation" can get "a lot of respect"...

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Batman makes his dramatic entrance and quickly knocks Thorne out. Sid asks how Batman survived and he explains that he swung away before the explosion, and decided to tail Sid and lay low to find out who was heading the drug ring. Batman also saved Sidney from the acid. Sidney thanks Batman and tries to leave--but leave -- but Batman stops him, [[RealityEnsues pointing out Sid]] ''[[RealityEnsues is]]'' [[RealityEnsues still technically a criminal since he was an accomplice to a gang and was involved in a drug racket]]. Sid understands this, but Batman also adds that "in the right environment," a man of Sid's "dangerous reputation" can get "a lot of respect"...



* FalseFriend: Sid considers Eddie G. his best friend--and Eddie sets Sid up to be Batman's bait. And it's very difficult to blame Eddie once you get to know Sid.

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* FalseFriend: Sid considers Eddie G. his best friend--and friend -- and Eddie sets Sid up to be Batman's bait. And it's very difficult to blame Eddie once you get to know Sid.



* MistakenForBadass: Poor, poor Sid. PlayedForDrama, even--it nearly gets him killed several times.

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* MistakenForBadass: Poor, poor Sid. PlayedForDrama, even--it even -- it nearly gets him killed several times.



** ... then Sid decides to asks Rupert Thorne for help--who suspects Sid is trying to pull a ScheherezadeGambit and decides [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Sid has outlived his usefulness]]. Sid is saved by...

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** ... then Sid decides to asks Rupert Thorne for help--who help -- who suspects Sid is trying to pull a ScheherezadeGambit and decides [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Sid has outlived his usefulness]]. Sid is saved by...



* PyrrhicVictory: Sid's (apparent) triumph brings him nothing but trouble--other petty crooks want a piece of him to establish their own VillainCred, police attention is focused on finding him, the Joker tries to kill him for [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou stealing his ultimate triumph]], and Boss Thorne concludes that he's [[ObfuscatingStupidity trying to put one over on him]]. Inverted in the end when he goes to prison with an impressive reputation among the other prisoners.

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* PyrrhicVictory: Sid's (apparent) triumph brings him nothing but trouble--other trouble -- other petty crooks want a piece of him to establish their own VillainCred, police attention is focused on finding him, the Joker tries to kill him for [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou stealing his ultimate triumph]], and Boss Thorne concludes that he's [[ObfuscatingStupidity trying to put one over on him]]. Inverted in the end when he goes to prison with an impressive reputation among the other prisoners.



** Sid ends up going to prison, but he's happy--the other prisoners respect him for ''almost'' killing Batman and making fools of the Joker and Boss Thorne.

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** Sid ends up going to prison, but he's happy--the happy -- the other prisoners respect him for ''almost'' killing Batman and making fools of the Joker and Boss Thorne.


* SurveillanceStationSlacker: When the Mooks gave Sid a chance to be the look out of a drug shipment, he's much more interested in making ImpossibleShadowPuppets.

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* SurveillanceStationSlacker: When the Mooks gave Sid a chance to be the look out lookout of a drug shipment, he's much more interested in making ImpossibleShadowPuppets.


** Or rather, a coincidental Shout-Out a couple of years in the future, as ''WesternAnimation/{{Animaniacs}}'' (also produced by Warner Bros. Animation) had another crook called "Sid the Squid," which was an anthropomorphic squid.

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** Or rather, a coincidental Shout-Out a couple of years in the future, as ''WesternAnimation/{{Animaniacs}}'' (also produced by Warner Bros. Animation) Creator/WarnerBrosAnimation) had another crook called "Sid the Squid," which was an anthropomorphic squid.


* RightForTheWrongReasons: Thorne is right that Sid couldn't have been lucky or stupid enough to do what he did but Thorne assumes Sid is trying to take over his business. The truth is that Batman faked his death so Sid could lead him to the drug ring's leader.

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* RightForTheWrongReasons: Thorne is right that Sid couldn't have been lucky or stupid enough to do what he did but Thorne assumes Sid is trying to take over his business. The truth is that Batman [[FakingTheDead faked his death death]] so Sid could lead him to the drug ring's leader.


* RedBaron: Sid is nicknamed "Sid the Squid," however this was initially done to "encourage" him into separating from the other members. The Squid eventually became his moniker after [[HeroKiller killing the Batman]].

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* RedBaron: Sid is nicknamed "Sid the Squid," however Squid". However, this was initially done to "encourage" him into separating from the other members. The Squid eventually became his moniker after [[HeroKiller killing the Batman]].

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