History Quotes / ProtectionFromEditors

-->-- '''''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''''' (again) on John Romero and ''VideoGame/{{Daikatana}}'', and this trope in general.

->I imagine this was largely because Tim Burton ended every conversation with 'F*** you, [[AwesomeEgo I’m Tim F***ing Burton]] and I can do whatever I want.'

->'''Rikk''' (impersonating [[Franchise/StarWars Anakin]]): "I don't ''like'' sand, heh-heh. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets heh-heh ''evvverywhere''. Here everything is ''soft and smooth'', [[Series/MontyPythonsFlyingCircus wink wink, nudge nudge, knowhuddimean, knowhuddimean?]]"\\
'''Rumy''': [[Creator/GeorgeLucas Lucas]] makes me afraid. He's what happens when artists stop seeking criticism. Promise me you'll tell me when my own work is bad?
-->-- T. Campbell's ''Webcomic/{{Fans}}'', on "Franchise/StarWars [[Film/AttackOfTheClones Episode II]]"
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->Surround yourself with people who’re too afraid to question you, spend a few years having smoke piped up your ricker by studios who’ll let you get away with whatever you want, and believe in all of the magazine covers and hype about being ‘The New [[Creator/StevenSpielberg Spielberg]],’ and the twentieth draft never comes. The second or third draft; that’s good enough. '[[ShockingSwerve Monkey in a human suit]], I’ve nailed it! M. Night does it again, yeah boiii!'
-->--'''Stuart Millard''', [[http://franticplanet.wordpress.com/2010/07/21/the-self-destruction-of-m-night-shyamalan/ "The Self-Destruction of M. Knight Shyamalan]]

->Creator/{{George|Lucas}} admits to throwing too much out there.\\\
The editor then attempts to explain ''pacing'', and why [[MoodWhiplash four scenes with totally different emotional tones]] don't work well together--but [[OnlySaneMan he kinda realizes he's wasting his time]], so he stops.\\\
Rick [=McCallum=] [[ThousandYardStare is frozen in utter shock]] at how horrible the movie was. Internally he regrets not challenging Lucas on some of the things he was worried about.\\\
Later on, after [[INeedAFreakingDrink everyone started drinking]], Lucas attempts to explain his newly-minted bowel movement as [[IRejectYourReality 'bold', and 'extreme!', uhh, 'stylistic'!]]
-->--'''[[WebVideo/RedLetterMedia Mr. Plinkett]]''' on ''Film/ThePhantomMenace''

->'''Matt Stone''': You need people in your life, as somebody who does comedy--and even ''Franchise/StarWars''. You need someone to say "No, that's not very good", someone who's gonna be honest with you. And probably Creator/GeorgeLucas was in a big room of liars, with everyone sitting there, going "[[YesMan This is great, George!]]"\\
'''Trey Parker''': Cause there's no way that anyone with half a brain could have read that script and thought it was good. Any one of them, I mean, they're awful.
-->--'''Creator/TreyParkerAndMattStone''' on George Lucas [[GeorgeLucasAlteredVersion retroactively editing]] the ''Franchise/StarWars'' trilogy.

->Sometimes I think the ''Franchise/MetalGear'' franchise is like Jim Carrey in ''Film/TheTrumanShow'': It’s this loud wacky dipshit in dire need of an editor who lives in the little world of his own surrounded by people reassuring him that “No, ''[[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots MGS4]]'' was totally a touching emotional character drama, especially when the funny man did the big poo in his pants”. And every now and again someone tries to parachute in wearing a t-shirt saying "''[[{{Narm}} EVERYONE'S TAKING THE PISS]]''" but get swiftly bundled out of sight by a dogwalker and [[CashCowFranchise a Sony executive.]]

-> ''Marville'' does not have the stuff that makes for top-selling comics, but it does explore the origin and meaning of life, so I thought it was worth a six-issue series. And, because I’m president of Creator/{{Marvel}}, [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem I could ignore the bean counters and publish]] ''[[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem Marville]]'' [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem without regard for minimum sales projections and margin requirements]].

-> ''Marville'' does not have the stuff that makes for top-selling comics, but it does explore the origin and meaning of life, so I thought it was worth a six-issue series. And, because I’m president of Marvel, I could ignore the bean counters and publish ''Marville'' without regard for minimum sales projections and margin requirements.

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'''Rumy''': Lucas makes me afraid. He's what happens when artists stop seeking criticism. Promise me you'll tell me when my own work is bad?

->''Creator/{{George|Lucas}} admits to throwing too much out there.\\\

--> -- [[ComicStrip/TheFarSide Gary Larson]]

-->--'''Creator/TreyParkerAndMattStone''' on George Lucas retroactively editing the ''Franchise/StarWars'' trilogy.

->George admits to throwing too much out there.\\\

->Surround yourself with people who’re too afraid to question you, spend a few years having smoke piped up your ricker by studios who’ll let you get away with whatever you want, and believe in all of the magazine covers and hype about being ‘The New [[StevenSpielberg Spielberg]],’ and the twentieth draft never comes. The second or third draft; that’s good enough. '[[ShockingSwerve Monkey in a human suit]], I’ve nailed it! M. Night does it again, yeah boiii!'

->It's telling that when a filmmaker succeeds in running his own studio, it's because he's learned to let his inner businessman veto his inner artiste. [[FrancisFordCoppola Coppola]] ran Zoetrope with his heart. It nearly destroyed him. Creator/StevenSpielberg runs Creator/DreamWorks with his brain, a decision that leads to much healthier returns on investment.

--> '''[[http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?70434-Why-do-I-keep-doing-this Solatium]]'''
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->''When you are young and unsuccessful, you suffer for art's sake. When you are old and successful, art suffers for your sake.''

-->-- '''[[TheSpoonyExperiment Miles Antwiler]]''' [[http://moviemoses.wordpress.com/2012/03/19/surveillance-2008-jennifer-chambers-lynch/ on]] ''Surveillance'' (2008)

->"Hey, I was right. All of the higher-ups who said the show was too weird, or that not enough people watched it, or that I was more obsessed with making obscure references than I was with telling stories and, occasionally, jokes -- that was [[IgnoredEpiphany ALL HORSESHIT]]. I never should have doubted myself. '''''[[Series/FamilyGuy And I never will again]]'''''."

->Paramount made a very conscious decision to side-line Creator/GeneRoddenberry, who had been one of the driving creative forces behind the transition from the small screen to the silver screen. Given that his plot ideas for the sequel included gems like ''“Spock shoots JFK”'', perhaps shuffling Roddenberry [[PointyHairedBoss as far from influence as humanly possible]] was a shrewd decision, as the studio pushed him into a generic (and neutered) [[KickedUpstairs “consultant”]] role.

->This doesn’t happen to major writers late in their careers very often, but in this case Gaiman is working under someone who is every bit as good a writer as he is. There’s a palpable sense of Gaiman having to up his game here and push himself, and it pays off with an episode that’s not just one of the absolute best ''Doctor Who'' stories of all time, but a high point of Gaiman’s career.
-->--'''Dr. Phil Sandifer''' [[http://www.philipsandifer.com/ on]] ''Series/DoctorWho'' ([[Recap/DoctorWhoS32E4TheDoctorsWife "The Doctor's Wife"]])

->Surely a highly trained police officer would recognise that even from a distance that this creature [[WeirdnessCensor is not a person]]. Surely she wouldn’t go [[TooDumbToLive storming towards it]]. And the throat ripping nastiness that ensues is simply there to show how far that this show is willing to go in order to [[RatedMForMoney repulse its audience]], and is completely unnecessary. This scene is symptomatic of all ''Torchwood''[=’=]s problems -- it is the series’ flaws in a microcosm. Not thought through well enough, and with no kind of censor... I remember being quite miffed after watching 90 minutes of generally badly judged television and wondering how Creator/RussellTDavies could have got it so wrong.

->Kojima wanted a much older, hard-boiled, and '[[TheDandy dandy]]' Snake, but Shinkawa insisted on him being younger. That’s why Snake is as agile, capable and strong as he is. If Kojima had his way, Solid Snake would have been over 40, slow, and… 'dandy'. I don’t know if you know what dandy means, but it refers to being fashionable and concerned with appearances. Would he have been the kind of guy who checks himself out in the mirror and combs his hair after a fight? Maybe he’d say stuff like ''Watch the shoes, kid''...In other words, we wouldn’t have gotten [[XMeetsY the epic blend]] of {{ComicBook/Wolverine}} and Film/JamesBond that we know and love; we probably would just have ended up with Creator/HarrisonFord.\\\
What else did Shinkawa do to make the game so cool? It turns out he single-handedly spared Otacon from being a fat, stereotypical dummy. He wasn’t even supposed to be smart? Otacon has ended up [[AscendedExtra being a major character in two more games]] since the first ''Metal Gear Solid''!

->At the screening of the movie for the first time, everyone in attendance looks just as baffled at the clusterfuck as we were. George admits to throwing too much out there; the editor then attempts to explain ''pacing'', and why [[MoodWhiplash four scenes with totally different emotional tones]] don't work well together--but [[OnlySaneMan he kinda realizes he's wasting his time]], so he stops; Rick [=McCallum=] [[ThousandYardStare is frozen in utter shock]] at how horrible the movie was. Internally he regrets not challenging Lucas on some of the things he was worried about... Later on, after [[INeedAFreakingDrink everyone started drinking]], Lucas attempts to explain his newly-minted bowel movement as [[IRejectYourReality 'bold', and 'extreme!', uhh, 'stylistic'!]]

->I get the feeling that Wrestling/VinceMcmahon should be eternally grateful to Wrestling/VinceRusso and Wrestling/EricBischoff, because it was their dumbfuckery which made the [[Wrestling/MondayNightWars Monday Night War]] at all significant. If they just stood by and did nothing and just let Vince [=McMahon=] run his own show, it would be Wrestling/HulkHogan for ''Wrestlmania XVI'' main eventing against whoever, and nothing would change. You'd still have [[StatusQuoIsGod the same old people doing the same old schtick]], and no one getting elevated.
-->--'''[[WebVideo/TheSpoonyExperiment Miles Antwiler]]''' [[http://spoonyexperiment.com/wrestle-wrestle-2/wrestle-wrestle-royal-rumble-2014/ on]] [[Wrestling/{{WWE}} Royal Rumble 2014]]

->Kojima wanted a much older, hard-boiled, and '[[TheDandy dandy]]' Snake, but Shinkawa insisted on him being younger. That’s why Snake is as agile, capable and strong as he is. If Kojima had his way, Solid Snake would have been over 40, slow, and… 'dandy'. I don’t know if you know what dandy means, but it refers to being fashionable and concerned with appearances. Would he have been the kind of guy who checks himself out in the mirror and combs his hair after a fight? Maybe he’d say stuff like 'Watch the shoes, kid''...In other words, we wouldn’t have gotten [[XMeetsY the epic blend]] of {{ComicBook/Wolverine}} and Film/JamesBond that we know and love; we probably would just have ended up with Creator/HarrisonFord.\\\

->Released in the wake of the success of ''Star Wars'', ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'' had proved a financial success for the studio. However, the popular consensus on the film was less than flattering. Paramount decided to move ahead with a sequel, but a sequel that would be produced on a much tighter budget..Paramount made a very conscious decision to side-line Creator/GeneRoddenberry, who had been one of the driving creative forces behind the transition from the small screen to the silver screen. Given that his plot ideas for the sequel included gems like ''“Spock shoots JFK”'', perhaps shuffling Roddenberry [[PointyHairedBoss as far from influence as humanly possible]] was a shrewd decision, as the studio pushed him into a generic (and neutered) [[KickedUpstairs “consultant”]] role.

->Surround yourself with people who’re too afraid to question you, spend a few years having smoke piped up your ricker by studios who’ll let you get away with whatever you want, and believe in all of the magazine covers and hype about being ‘The New [[StevenSpielberg Spielberg]],’ and the twentieth draft never comes. The second or third draft; that’s good enough. '[[ShockingSwerve Monkey in a human suit]], I’ve nailed it! M. Night does it again, yeah boiii!' And those terrible reviews and negative critics, well, [[GiftedlyBad it’s all persecution]]. 'Oh, they hate my movies because my name’s on them.'

->Here’s the deal: This is [[DamnedByFaintPraise a pretty good Tim Burton movie]]. It’s an awful Batman movie. It misunderstands [[InNameOnly basically every aspect]] of the character. It’s the product of, quite possibly, the most Hollywood-eccentric creative team of all time: Jon Peters, Creator/TimBurton and {{Music/PRINCE}}...I imagine this was largely because Tim Burton ended every conversation with 'F*** you, [[AwesomeEgo I’m Tim F***ing Burton]] and I can do whatever I want.'

->...after ''Literature/AmericanGods'', [[Creator/NeilGaiman Gaiman’s]] career kind of loses momentum, consisting mainly of things that feel safe and like what one would expect from Gaiman. It’s not that Gaiman is writing bad stuff in any meaningful sense, but it felt in many ways like he had become a predictable writer who was going to turn out [[StrictlyFormula subtle variations of the same basic thing]]. Eventually, for a variety of reasons, this changed and he entered a new and largely more interesting phase of his career, and while The Doctor’s Wife can’t reasonably be said to be singlehandedly responsible for that, it is nevertheless a significant transitional moment.\\\
Much of this, one suspects, comes down to the fact that Neil Gaiman found himself with something he’d not really had to deal with since ''American Gods'': someone who could edit him with real authority. This doesn’t happen to major writers late in their careers very often, but in this case Gaiman is working under someone who is every bit as good a writer as he is. There’s a palpable sense of Gaiman having to up his game here and push himself, and it pays off with an episode that’s not just one of the absolute best ''Doctor Who'' stories of all time, but a high point of Gaiman’s career.

->The whole sequence with the Weevil makes me grind my teeth because it is so lacking in any refinement. It has nothing to do with the story itself (it is merely the excuse why ''Torchwood'' is visiting the hospital but it could have been any number of other, [[BatDeduction less ridiculous]], reasons). Surely a highly trained police officer would recognise that even from a distance that this creature [[WeirdnessCensor is not a person]]. Surely she wouldn’t go [[TooDumbToLive storming towards it]]. And the throat ripping nastiness that ensues is simply there to show how far that this show is willing to go in order to [[RatedMForMoney repulse its audience]], and is completely unnecessary. This scene is symptomatic of all ''Torchwood''[=’=]s problems -- it is the series’ flaws in a microcosm. Not thought through well enough, and with no kind of censor... I remember being quite miffed after watching 90 minutes of generally badly judged television and wondering how Creator/RussellTDavies could have got it so wrong.

->If you want to know what happens to a kid who never gets told 'No,' look at Creator/SethMacFarlane's career. The resurrection of ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' was the worst thing to happen to his ego, because it was basically a way for him to tell himself "Hey, I was right. All of the higher-ups who said the show was too weird, or that not enough people watched it, or that I was more obsessed with making obscure references than I was with telling stories and, occasionally, jokes -- that was [[IgnoredEpiphany ALL HORSESHIT]]. I never should have doubted myself. '''''[[IgnorantOfTheirOwnIgnorance And I never will again]]'''''."

->Here’s Yoji Shinkawa. It’s not widely known, but this is the guy pretty much responsible for making ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' so damn cool. His official title was Illustration Director, but this really doesn’t do him justice at all... Kojima wanted a much older, hard-boiled, and '[[TheDandy dandy]]' Snake, but Shinkawa insisted on him being younger. That’s why Snake is as agile, capable and strong as he is. If Kojima had his way, Solid Snake would have been over 40, slow, and… 'dandy'. I don’t know if you know what dandy means, but it refers to being fashionable and concerned with appearances. Would he have been the kind of guy who checks himself out in the mirror and combs his hair after a fight? Maybe he’d say stuff like 'Watch the shoes, kid' or “Now look, [[VideoGame/TeamFortress2 you got blood on my new suit]]'...In other words, we wouldn’t have gotten [[XMeetsY the epic blend]] of {{ComicBook/Wolverine}} and Film/JamesBond that we know and love; we probably would just have ended up with Creator/HarrisonFord.\\\
What else did Shinkawa do to make the game so cool? It turns out he single-handedly spared Otacon from being a fat, stereotypical dummy. He wasn’t even supposed to be smart? Otacon has ended up [[AscendedExtra being a major character in two more games]] since the first ''Metal Gear Solid''! Can you imagine a fat, stupid Otacon eating a chocolate bar becoming so popular? ... when you really think about the amount of impact that Shinkawa had on ''the most popular'' aspects of the game, it makes you wonder whether it could have been half the success it was if Kojima had been left unchallenged.

->He convinces them [Wrestling/{{WCW}}] that he's responsible for Vince [=McMahon=]'s success. You know, Vince [=McMahon=] was a millionaire ''before'' he met Vince Russo. He had [[Wrestling/SteveAustin "Stone Cold" Steve Austin]]. He had [[Wrestling/DwayneJohnson The Rock]]. He had [[Wrestling/JimRoss the best announcer]]. He had the best television studio. He had the best office staff. They got the smartest ''secretaries'', for god's sake...Aw, and he was so ''[[SmallNameBigEgo underappreciated.]]'' He wasn't given the ''credit'' that he deserved, that he was ''responsible'' for. Nobody ''recognized'' him. You know what they're 'recognizing' now? What Vince Russo's shit looks like when he didn't have Vince [=McMahon=] standing over him saying, 'You know, [[SturgeonsLaw those twenty-four ideas are real bullshit]], but I'll take ''this'' good one.

'''Yahtzee:''' But when was given ''no'' parameters--or near as no parameters as you can get when gaming technology developed--he was making ''{{VideoGame/Fable}}''; and suddenly his role in gaming, which was to make the most of what we had, was obsolete.

->If you want to know what happens to a kid who never gets told 'No,' look at Creator/SethMacFarlane's career. The resurrection of ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' was the worst thing to happen to his ego, because it was basically a way for him to tell himself 'Hey, I was right. All of the higher-ups who said the show was too weird, or that not enough people watched it, or that I was more obsessed with making obscure references than I was with telling stories and, occasionally, jokes -- that was [[IgnoredEpiphany ALL HORSESHIT]]. I never should have doubted myself.'' '''''[[IgnorantOfTheirOwnIgnorance And I never will again]]'''''.

->Sometimes I think the ''Franchise/MetalGear'' franchise is like Jim Carrey in ''Film/TheTrumanShow'': It’s this loud wacky dipshit in dire need of an editor who lives in the little world of his own surrounded by people reassuring him that “No, ''[[MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots MGS4]]'' was totally a touching emotional character drama, especially when the funny man did the big poo in his pants”. And every now and again someone tries to parachute in wearing a t-shirt saying "''[[{{Narm}} EVERYONE'S TAKING THE PISS]]''" but get swiftly bundled out of sight by a dogwalker and [[CashCowFranchise a Sony executive.]]

->Released in the wake of the success of ''Star Wars'', ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'' had proved a financial success for the studio. However, the popular consensus on the film was less than flattering. Paramount decided to move ahead with a sequel, but a sequel that would be produced on a much tighter budget..Paramount made a very conscious decision to side-line Creator/GeneRoddenberry, who had been one of the driving creative forces behind the transition from the small screen to the silver screen. Given that his plot ideas for the sequel included gems like ''“Spock shoots JFK”'', perhaps shuffling Roddenberry [[PointyHairedBoss as far from influence as humanly possible]] was a shrewd decision, as the studio pushed him into a generic (and neutered) [[AuthorityInNameOnly “consultant”]] role.

->He convinces them [Wrestling/{{WCW}}] that he's responsible for Wrestling/VinceMcMahon's success. You know, Vince [=McMahon=] was a millionaire ''before'' he met Vince Russo. He had [[Wrestling/SteveAustin "Stone Cold" Steve Austin]]. He had [[Wrestling/DwayneJohnson The Rock]]. He had [[Wrestling/JimRoss the best announcer]]. He had the best television studio. He had the best office staff. They got the smartest ''[[DreamTeam secretaries]]'', for god's sake...Aw, and he was so ''[[SmallNameBigEgo underappreciated.]]'' He wasn't given the ''credit'' that he deserved, that he was ''responsible'' for. Nobody ''recognized'' him. You know what they're 'recognizing' now? What Vince Russo's shit looks like when he didn't have Vince [=McMahon=] standing over him saying, 'You know, [[SturgeonsLaw those twenty-four ideas are real bullshit]], but I'll take ''this'' good one.

->The whole sequence with the Weevil makes me grind my teeth because it is so lacking in any refinement. It has nothing to do with the story itself (it is merely the excuse why ''Torchwood'' is visiting the hospital but it could have been any number of other, [[BatDeduction less ridiculous]], reasons). Surely a highly trained police officer would recognise that even from a distance that this creature [[WeirdnessCensor is not a person]]. Surely she wouldn’t go [[TooDumbToLove storming towards it]]. And the throat ripping nastiness that ensues is simply there to show how far that this show is willing to go in order to [[RatedMForMoney repulse its audience]], and is completely unnecessary. This scene is symptomatic of all ''Torchwood''[=’=]s problems -- it is the series’ flaws in a microcosm. Not thought through well enough, and with no kind of censor... I remember being quite miffed after watching 90 minutes of generally badly judged television and wondering how Creator/RussellTDavies could have got it so wrong.

->The great producer--[[CreatorKiller how did this happen to him?]] He got so good at keeping the studio away, and getting his way with things, and taking the time he wanted to take, I don’t think he ever got a chance to examine what we were making.
-->--'''Paul Sylbert''', production designer on ''{{Film/Ishtar}}'', on Creator/WarrenBeatty