History Quotes / GameplayAndStorySegregation

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->"He murders the gods of the sun and the sea causing untold damage to the world, and all to get his revenge on Zeus. Revenge for ''what?'' Stabbing him in the heart in ''VideoGame/{{God of War 2}}''? Kratos had walked off that little paper cut inside ''10 minutes''!"

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-->--'''Walt Williams''', lead writer of ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine''

->"Now just because our story's themes, symbolism, and overall message is that [[TechnologyIsEvil technology sucks]], this should in no way make a writer hesitate to give our characters all kinds of awesome cybernetic implants that turn them into super powered humans. [[SarcasmMode This most definitely will not undermine our central thesis about how technology makes everyone miserable]].

->"To be clear, Sam actually does hug Cliff at this point; it just happens through a cutscene, forgoing interactivity which might have made it more powerful. It's not only that ''you'' don't get to initiate this reconcilliation, though. It's that ''you'' only get to do the opposite, ''[[BrokenAesop by shooting at it.]]''"

->"To be clear, Sam actually does hug Cliff at this point; it just happens through a cutscene, forgoing interactivity which might have made it more powerful. It's not only that ''you'' don't get to initiate this reconcilliation, though. It's that ''you'' only get to do the ''opposite'', [[BrokenAesop by shooting at him.]]"

->"To be clear, Sam actually does hug Cliff at this point; it just happens through a cutscene, forgoing interactivity which might have made it more powerful. It's not only that ''you'' don't get to initiate this reconcilliation, though. It's that ''you'' only get to do the ''opposite'', [[BrokenAesop by shooting him.]]"

->"To be clear, Sam actually does hug Cliff at this point, it just happens through a cutscene, forgoing interactivity which might have made it nore powerful. It's not only that ''you'' don't get to initiate this reconcilliation, though; it's that ''you'' only get to do the ''opposite'', by shooting him."

-> '''Shadow:''' I had no choice.\\

'''Arin:''' You had ''three'' choices, actually.\\
'''Danny:''' Yeah, multiple choices! ''[as Shadow]'' "I had no choice... I ''super'' felt like it."

->"To be clear, Sam actually does hug Cliff at this point, it's just happens through a cutscene, forgoing interactivity which might have made it nore powerful. It's not only that ''you'' don't get to initiate this reconcilliation, though; it's that ''you'' only get to do the ''opposite'', by shooting him."

-->>--'''Matthewmatosis''' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np4Jh1xcOEs on]] ''VideoGame/DeathStranding''

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->"What confuses me, though, is that even after you've been wrongly accused and are on the run, you can still arrest people. In fact when the evil private cops show up to arrest you, you can arrest them back. What organisation is going to come around and pick those guys up? The [[DirtyCop Criminal Police]] from [[MirrorUniverse opposite land]]? who give talks to high school kids on how drugs are really great and everyone should take them?"

-->--'''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''' on ''VideoGame/TheWorldEndsWithYou''

-->-- ''Zero Punctuation'' on ''VideoGame/GodOfWar3''

-->--'''Zero Punctuation''' on ''VideoGame/BattlefieldHardline''

->"He murders the gods of the sun and the sea causing untold damage to the world, and all to get his revenge on Zeus. Revenge for ''what?'' Stabbing him in the heart in ''VideoGame/{{God of War 2}}? Kratos had walked off that little paper cut inside ''10 minutes''!"

->"He murders the gods of the sun and the sea causing untold damage to the world, and all to get his revenge on Zeus. Revenge for ''what?'' Stabbing him in the heart in VideoGame/{{God of war 2}}? Kratos had walked off that little paper cut inside ''10 minutes''!... And Zeus only did it because Kratos couldn't stop ''murdering things!''"
-->-- ''Zero Punctuation'' on''VideoGame/GodOfWar3''

->"What I'm saying is that I like games where the story and gameplay go hand in hand, while in most [[EasternRPG JRPGs]] the story and gameplay are kept either side of a wrought-iron fence made of tigers."

->If your narrative and your core mechanic are at odds with each other, then that means your main character is a hypocrite.
-->--'''Walt Williams''', lead writer of ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine''

->He murders the gods of the sun and the sea causing untold damage to the world, and all to get his revenge on Zeus. Revenge for ''what?'' Stabbing him in the heart in VideoGame/{{God of war 2}}? Kratos had walked off that little paper cut inside ''10 minutes''!... And Zeus only did it because Kratos couldn't stop ''murdering things!''
-->-- ''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation'', review of ''VideoGame/GodOfWar3''

->This is [[AnInteriorDesignerIsYou my first settlement]], ahh, I call it Watermelon Island. Uhh, because if you look closely, if you ''look under this house'', I actually have [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_7EhU5Y59M#t=65s a lot of watermelons]] in this house. Yeah. Ironically we're having a food crisis at the moment, with only ''''6 FOOD'''' right now.

->It's a little odd, even for a fighting game, that Luke is supposed to beat the crap out of his own sister with his lightsaber, although even leaping into the air and slamming it through her chest will always be a “[[SetSwordsToStun knockout]]”, at worst. Ah, fighting game logic, where would we be about you?
-->--'''[[http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/kusoge/kusoge-teraskasi.htm Bobinator]]''' on ''VideoGame/StarWarsMastersOfTerasKasi''

->There's a stage where the screen keeps moving up, if you're caught at the bottom, you die. What kind of logic is that? In [[VideoGame/CastlevaniaIIIDraculasCurse Trevor Belmont's]] world, [[FridgeLogic what killed him]]? The TV screen?
-->--'''WebVideo/TheAngryVideoGameNerd''', ''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrLdIiW6bEo Castlevania (Part 2)]]''

->You just gotta love [[DownTheDrain the sewers of Castle Britain]] which are ''crawling'' with giant predatory rats and man-sized fucking cobras. And this is the instant you set foot off the ladder. You'd think Lord British would send a coupla guys down here every few days to ''try'' and keep the '''giant fucking serpent population''' to a minimum. He's let it go too long; at this point he needs to mobilize the regular army... WHOA! There's a roomful of lava, man! [[TheLavaCavesOfNewYork This is in the sewers, under the castle!]] Someone should tell British about ''the active magma flow running right under his throne'' you know what, fuck him.

->The [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots fourth game]] elevated video game meta-conflict by trying to [[SuckinessIsPainful defeat the player with relentlessly extended cut-scenes]] instead of bullets.
-->--'''Website/{{Cracked}}''', [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-video-games-that-just-didnt-get-it-and-6-that-did/ "5 Video Games That Just Didn't Get It (And 6 That Did)"]]

->In another game, Japan here declared war on me for no reason at all--with no units or plan of attack--so three years later he just asks for peace!....Which is really a problem of interface affluence: players wouldn't notice how bonkers the AI is if they didn't make so many unskippable cutscenes telling you how bonkers the AI is being.

->''Hey, is this Bob from the gameplay department? Yeah, this is Mike from the story department. Listen, I know the game's almost done, but I think we're actually gonna kill off the protagonist's [[LoveInterest girlfriend]]... uh... pretty early in the game, so you're gonna have to replace her after the [[AbandonedWarehouse warehouse scene.]] Uh, just some [[{{Redshirt}} disposable female character]] will be fine, [[{{Stripperiffic}} clothing is optional.]]''

->''"For the third fucking time, scripted sequence versus gameplay! Never the twain shall meet!"''

->''"What confuses me, though, is that even after you've been wrongly accused and are on the run, you can still arrest people. In fact when the evil private cops show up to arrest you, [[NoYou you can arrest them back]]. What organisation is going to come around and pick those guys up? The Criminal Police from opposite land who give talks to high school kids on how drugs are really great and everyone should take them?"''
-->--'''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''' on ''VideoGame/BattlefieldHardline''

->Due to the limited nature of player agency, attempting to interrogate moral questions in videogames can be a challenging proposition. To put it another way: how can I have made the wrong choice if it’s a decision the game forced me to make? Repeatedly, ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' throws the player into unavoidable boss fights, where negotiation is not an option. ''[...]'' Like my fight against Toriel, these conflicts require the player to take advantage of hidden mechanics, repeat actions without knowing whether or not they’ll succeed, and subsist under a barrage of enemy attacks.\\
The player’s choice, then, to fight or not to fight, is not one necessarily related to roleplaying or ethical considerations. It’s also a mechanical consideration. A failure to deliver mercy might simply be a failure to solve a puzzle, or figure out a way to survive with inadequate resources. In my case, it was a decision made because the game did not effectively communicate to me that I could do anything else. I wasn’t making my choices as a moral actor. I was making them as a player.
-->-- [[https://killscreen.com/articles/undertales-not-peaceful-it-pretends/ Undertale's not as peaceful as it pretends]], an article by '''Jake Muncy'''

->''Jo will still have all the money she had at the end of last time. She'll keep everything she bought or unlocked too. [[LampshadeHanging That means she can potentially be a millionaire but remain the same poor bartender.]] ...Well, [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief suspension of disbelief]] exists for a reason, right?''
-->--'''Anna''', ''VisualNovel/VA11HALLA''

->''What I'm saying is that I like games where the story and gameplay go hand in hand, while in most [=JRPGs=] the story and gameplay are kept either side of a wrought-iron fence made of tigers.''
-->--'''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''' on ''VideoGame/TheWorldEndsWithYou''

-> '''Shadow:''' I had no choice.\\
'''Danny:''' ''Really?''\\
'''Arin:''' You had ''three'' choices, actually.\\
'''Danny:''' Yeah, multiple choices! (...) ''(as Shadow)'' "I had no choice... I ''super'' felt like it."
-->--''WebVideo/GameGrumps''

->'''Jimmy:''' Son of a bitch. Another dead counselor. Well. Come on, let's go.\\
'''Counselor:''' Wait! I'm not dead yet. Please. I saw you over there fighting. Maybe...maybe some of that magic Indian burial ground dirt can resurrect me, too. Maybe if you sprinkle it over my body, it'll save me.\\
'''Jimmy:''' Oh my god. Get some of that dirt, Butthole! We still have time to save...camp.\\
''[The player does so]''\\
'''Counselor:''' I think it's working. I think...I think... ''[dies]''\\
'''Butters:''' Aw, he died. I really thought that was gonna work.\\
'''Old Mechanic:''' Nope. That resurrection dirt's only a combat mechanic. Nice try though.
-->-- ''VideoGame/SouthParkTheFracturedButWhole: Bring the Crunch''

->'''Buzz:''' Maybe we need a race to settle this\\
[Boss fight starts]\\
'''Annotation!Woody:''' Actually, fuck you and your races!\\
(...)\\
'''Annotation 1:''' OH MY GOD A RACE LEVEL!!!\\
'''Annotation 2:''' [[BrickJoke Actually, I think you mean a boss battle...]]
-->-- ''WebVideo/TheAnnotatedSeries'', "Let's Jab (Toy Story NES Pirate)"

-> It comes down to something that snobbish elitist game designer nerds call “[[TechnoBabble ludocognitive dissonance]]” and what us normal people educated by Wiki/TVTropes call “[[GameplayAndStorySegregation gameplay-story segregation]].” From a story perspective, we WANT travel to be exciting and wild and dangerous. From a gameplay perspective, travel just doesn’t make for interesting gameplay.
-->-- '''The Angry GM''' on [[https://theangrygm.com/getting-there-is-half-the-fun/ exploration in D&D]].

-> What the actual shit? WHERE DID AMY GO? SHE WAS RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME!
-->-- '''Dr. Eggman''', ''WebVideo/RealTimeFandub'', [[https://youtu.be/po1qdT7mj-s?t=214 "Sonic Adventure 2 (Hero Story) | Real-Time Fandub Games"]]

->'''Eggman:''' What the actual shit? WHERE DID AMY GO? SHE WAS RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME!
-->-- ''WebVideo/RealTimeFandub'', [[https://youtu.be/po1qdT7mj-s?t=214 "Sonic Adventure 2 (Hero Story) | Real-Time Fandub Games"]]

->''What I'm saying is that I like games where the story and gameplay go hand in hand, while in most JRPGs the story and gameplay are kept either side of a wrought-iron fence made of tigers.''

->There's a stage where the screen keeps moving up, if you're caught at the bottom, you die. What kind of logic is that? In [[VideoGame/CastlevaniaIIIDraculasCurse Trevor Belmont's]] world, what killed him? The TV screen?

->It's a little odd, even for a fighting game, that Luke is supposed to beat the crap out of his own sister with his lightsaber, although even leaping into the air and slamming it through her chest will always be a “[[NonLethalKO knockout]]”, at worst. Ah, fighting game logic, where would we be about you?

->It's a little odd, even for a fighting game, that Luke is supposed to beat the crap out of his own sister with his lightsaber, although even leaping into the air and slamming it through her chest will always be a “knockout”, at worst. Ah, fighting game logic, where would we be about you?

->This is [[AnInteriorDesignerIsYou my first settlement]], ahh, I call it Watermelon Island. Uhh, because if you look closely, if you ''look under this house'', I actually have [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_7EhU5Y59M#t=65s a lot of watermelons]] in this house. Yeah. Ironically we're having a food crisis at the moment, with only '[[AC:6 FOOD]]' right now.

-->-- ''[=SnapCube=]'', [[https://youtu.be/po1qdT7mj-s?t=214 "Sonic Adventure 2 (Hero Story) | Real-Time Fandub Games"]]

->It might have helped if it had been playable, but ''Halo 5’''s attitude seems to be that nothing ruins an action sequence faster than players.
-->--'''''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''''' on ''VideoGame/Halo5Guardians''

-> It comes down to something that snobbish elitist game designer nerds call “[[TechnoBabble ludocognitive dissonance]]” and what us normal people educated by TVTropes call “[[GameplayAndStorySegregation gameplay-story segregation]].” From a story perspective, we WANT travel to be exciting and wild and dangerous. From a gameplay perspective, travel just doesn’t make for interesting gameplay.

->It might have helped if it had been playable, but Halo 5’s attitude seems to be that nothing ruins an action sequence faster than players.
-->--'''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''' on ''VideoGame/Halo5Guardians''