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** Alice and Bob are honourable soldiers who love their respective countries, which are at war for reason they don't understand. It turns out that Alice's country is deeply committed to the well-being of all its citizens and Bob's country is deeply committed to racial purity, slaughtering millions of its own people in giant death camps.

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** [[MoralDisambiguation Alice and Bob are honourable soldiers who love their respective countries, which are at war for reason they don't understand. It turns out that Alice's country is deeply committed to the well-being of all its citizens and Bob's country is deeply committed to racial purity, slaughtering millions of its own people in giant death camps.camps]].

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* '''Straight''':
** Alice, the protagonist, is in conflict with Bob, an antagonist, but both characters are neither good nor evil.
** [[KnightInSourArmor Charlie]], [[AntiHero a merciless yet benevolent vigilante]] [[PragmaticHero who’s willing to do questionable tactics for the greater good]] decides to rebel against [[NobleDemon General Drake]], an [[AffablyEvil honorable]] and [[WellIntentionedExtremist good-intentioned]] [[AntiVillain villain]] who [[DragonAscendant took over after Evulz’s death]]. Despite the story treating Charlie as TheHero and Drake as the villain, Charlie is far from being [[IncorruptiblePurePureness pure good]] while Drake is far from being [[CompleteMonster pure evil]].

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'''Straight''': Alice, the protagonist, is in conflict with Bob, an antagonist, but both characters are neither good nor evil.
** [[KnightInSourArmor Charlie]], [[AntiHero a merciless yet benevolent vigilante]] [[PragmaticHero who’s willing to do questionable tactics for the greater good]] decides to rebel against [[NobleDemon General Drake]], an [[AffablyEvil honorable]] and [[WellIntentionedExtremist good-intentioned]] [[AntiVillain villain]] who [[DragonAscendant took over after Evulz’s death]]. Despite the story treating Charlie as TheHero and Drake as the villain, Charlie is far from being [[IncorruptiblePurePureness pure good]] while Drake is far from being [[CompleteMonster pure evil]].
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** [[KnightInSourArmor Charlie]], [[AntiHero a merciless yet benevolent vigilante]] decides to rebel against [[NobleDemon General Drake]], an [[AffablyEvil honorable]] and [[WellIntentionedExtremist good-intentioned]] [[AntiVillain villain]] who [[DragonAscendant took over after Evulz’s death]]. Despite the story treating Charlie as TheHero and Drake as the villain, Charlie is far from being [[IncorruptiblePurePureness pure good]] while Drake is far from being [[CompleteMonster pure evil]].

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** [[KnightInSourArmor Charlie]], [[AntiHero a merciless yet benevolent vigilante]] [[PragmaticHero who’s willing to do questionable tactics for the greater good]] decides to rebel against [[NobleDemon General Drake]], an [[AffablyEvil honorable]] and [[WellIntentionedExtremist good-intentioned]] [[AntiVillain villain]] who [[DragonAscendant took over after Evulz’s death]]. Despite the story treating Charlie as TheHero and Drake as the villain, Charlie is far from being [[IncorruptiblePurePureness pure good]] while Drake is far from being [[CompleteMonster pure evil]].
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** [[KnightInSourArmor Charlie]], [[AntiHero a merciless yet benevolent vigilante]] decides to rebel against [[NobleDemon General Drake]] an [[AffablyEvil honorable]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist good-intentioned]] [[AntiVillain villain]] who [[DragonAscendant took over after Evulz’s death]]. Despite the story treating Charlie as TheHero and Drake as the villain, Charlie is far from being [[IncorruptiblePurePureness pure good]] while Drake is far from being [[CompleteMonster pure evil]].

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** [[KnightInSourArmor Charlie]], [[AntiHero a merciless yet benevolent vigilante]] decides to rebel against [[NobleDemon General Drake]] Drake]], an [[AffablyEvil honorable]] and [[WellIntentionedExtremist good-intentioned]] [[AntiVillain villain]] who [[DragonAscendant took over after Evulz’s death]]. Despite the story treating Charlie as TheHero and Drake as the villain, Charlie is far from being [[IncorruptiblePurePureness pure good]] while Drake is far from being [[CompleteMonster pure evil]].
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** [[KnightInSourArmor Charlie]], [[PragmaticHero a merciless yet benevolent vigilante]] decides to rebel against [[NobleDemon General Drake]] an [[AffablyEvil honorable]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist good-intentioned]] [[AntiVillain villain]] who [[DragonAscendant took after Evulz’s death]]. Despite the story treating Charlie as TheHero and Drake as the villain, Charlie is far from being [[IncorruptiblePurePureness pure good]] while Drake is far from being [[CompleteMonster pure evil]].

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** [[KnightInSourArmor Charlie]], [[PragmaticHero [[AntiHero a merciless yet benevolent vigilante]] decides to rebel against [[NobleDemon General Drake]] an [[AffablyEvil honorable]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist good-intentioned]] [[AntiVillain villain]] who [[DragonAscendant took over after Evulz’s death]]. Despite the story treating Charlie as TheHero and Drake as the villain, Charlie is far from being [[IncorruptiblePurePureness pure good]] while Drake is far from being [[CompleteMonster pure evil]].
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** [[KnightInSourArmor Charlie]] [[PragmaticHero a merciless yet benevolent vigilante]] decides to rebel against [[NobleDemon General Drake]] an [[AffablyEvil honorable]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist good-intentioned]] [[AntiVillain villain]] who [[DragonAscendant took after Evulz’s death]]. Despite the story treating Charlie as TheHero and Drake as the villain, Charlie is far from being [[IncorruptiblePurePureness pure good]] while Drake is far from being [[CompleteMonster pure evil]]?

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** [[KnightInSourArmor Charlie]] Charlie]], [[PragmaticHero a merciless yet benevolent vigilante]] decides to rebel against [[NobleDemon General Drake]] an [[AffablyEvil honorable]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist good-intentioned]] [[AntiVillain villain]] who [[DragonAscendant took after Evulz’s death]]. Despite the story treating Charlie as TheHero and Drake as the villain, Charlie is far from being [[IncorruptiblePurePureness pure good]] while Drake is far from being [[CompleteMonster pure evil]]?evil]].

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* '''Straight''': Alice, the protagonist, is in conflict with Bob, an antagonist, but both characters are neither good nor evil.

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Alice, the protagonist, is in conflict with Bob, an antagonist, but both characters are neither good nor evil.evil.
** [[KnightInSourArmor Charlie]] [[PragmaticHero a merciless yet benevolent vigilante]] decides to rebel against [[NobleDemon General Drake]] an [[AffablyEvil honorable]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist good-intentioned]] [[AntiVillain villain]] who [[DragonAscendant took after Evulz’s death]]. Despite the story treating Charlie as TheHero and Drake as the villain, Charlie is far from being [[IncorruptiblePurePureness pure good]] while Drake is far from being [[CompleteMonster pure evil]]?



* '''Inverted''':
** BlackAndWhiteMorality, where some characters are clearly good and some are clearly evil.

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* '''Inverted''':
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'''Inverted''': BlackAndWhiteMorality, where some characters are clearly good and some are clearly evil.
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** Alice is LawfulNeutral while Bob is ChaoticNeutral.

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** Alice is LawfulNeutral [[invoked]]LawfulNeutral while Bob is ChaoticNeutral.
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** MoralityKitchenSink: There are unambiguously good and unambiguously evil characters on both sides, but no side ''overall'' can be called worse.
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** BlackAndWhiteMorality.

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** BlackAndWhiteMorality.BlackAndWhiteMorality, where some characters are clearly good and some are clearly evil.

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** Alice is an [[AntiHero Anti-Heroine]] who battles against Bob, an AntiVillain.


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** Alice is an [[AntiHero Anti-Heroine]] who battles against Bob, an AntiVillain.
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* '''Double Subverted''': Alice's country slaughters similar numbers of its own people over ideological purity. But it's not EvilVsEvil because Alice and Bob are still honorable soldiers, fighting for countries they love despite evil governments. (RealLife wasn't this simple -- this is a fictional example).

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* '''Double Subverted''': Alice's country slaughters similar numbers of its own people over ideological purity. But it's not EvilVsEvil EvilVersusEvil because Alice and Bob are still honorable soldiers, fighting for countries they love despite evil governments. (RealLife wasn't this simple -- this is a fictional example).
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** GreyAndGrayInsanity: Everyone believes that ''everyone'', no matter what is no better than each other in moral perspectives, no matter how deranged these may be.
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* There is no conflict between Alice and Bob whatsoever.

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* ** There is no conflict between Alice and Bob whatsoever.

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** GoodVersusGood.
** EvilVersusEvil.



* '''Averted''': There is no conflict between Alice and Bob whatsoever.

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* '''Averted''': '''Averted''':
** Alice and Bob are [[GoodVersusGood equally good]].
** Alice and Bob are [[EvilVersusEvil equally evil]].
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There is no conflict between Alice and Bob whatsoever.
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** GoodVersusEvil.

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** GoodVersusEvil.EvilVersusEvil.

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* '''Inverted''': BlackAndWhiteMorality.

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* '''Inverted''': BlackAndWhiteMorality.'''Inverted''':
** BlackAndWhiteMorality.
** GoodVersusGood.
** GoodVersusEvil.
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** Alice is an {{Anti Hero}}ine who battles against Bob, an AntiVillain.

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** Alice is an {{Anti Hero}}ine [[AntiHero Anti-Heroine]] who battles against Bob, an AntiVillain.



** WhiteAndGreyMorality: Alice is a [[IdealHero clear-cut heroine]] while Bob is an AntiVillain.
** BlackAndGrayMorality: Alice is a shady AntiHero while Bob is a [[CompleteMonster diabolical villain]].

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** WhiteAndGreyMorality: Alice is a [[IdealHero clear-cut heroine]] Clear-Cut Heroine]] while Bob is an AntiVillain.
** BlackAndGrayMorality: Alice is a shady AntiHero an [[AntiHero Anti-Heroine]] while Bob is a [[CompleteMonster diabolical villain]].Diabolical Villain]].

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** Alice is [[ALighterShadeOfGrey more well-meaning than Bob]], but that doesn't make her completely good.
** WhiteandGreymorality.

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** ALighterShadeOfGrey: Alice is [[ALighterShadeOfGrey more well-meaning than Bob]], Bob, but that doesn't make her completely good.
** WhiteandGreymorality.WhiteAndGreyMorality: Alice is a [[IdealHero clear-cut heroine]] while Bob is an AntiVillain.
** BlackAndGrayMorality: Alice is a shady AntiHero while Bob is a [[CompleteMonster diabolical villain]].
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** Alice and Bob's fight incorporates so many ShadesOfConflict, even [[BlueAndOrangeMorality Blue/Orange]] and [[SillyReasonForWar Green/Purple]] at times, that the conflict becomes more of a murky shade of brown (i.e. [[DistinctionWithoutADifference the]] ''[[DistinctionWithoutADifference exact same actions]]'') than anything resembling grey and gray.

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** Alice and Bob's fight incorporates so many ShadesOfConflict, even [[BlueAndOrangeMorality Blue/Orange]] and [[SillyReasonForWar Green/Purple]] at times, that the conflict becomes more of a single murky shade of brown (i.e. [[DistinctionWithoutADifference the]] ''[[DistinctionWithoutADifference exact same actions]]'') than anything resembling grey and gray.
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** Alice and Bob's fight incorporates so many ShadesOfConflict, even [[BlueAndOrangeMorality Blue/Orange]] and [[SillyReasonForWar Green/Purple]] at times, that the conflict becomes more of a murky shade of brown than anything resembling grey.

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** Alice and Bob's fight incorporates so many ShadesOfConflict, even [[BlueAndOrangeMorality Blue/Orange]] and [[SillyReasonForWar Green/Purple]] at times, that the conflict becomes more of a murky shade of brown (i.e. [[DistinctionWithoutADifference the]] ''[[DistinctionWithoutADifference exact same actions]]'') than anything resembling grey.grey and gray.



** [[WhiteandGreymorality]].

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** [[WhiteandGreymorality]].WhiteandGreymorality.
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** [[BlackAndWhiteMorality Light Gray and Dark Gray morality]].

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** [[BlackAndWhiteMorality Light Gray and Dark Gray morality]].** [[WhiteandGreymorality]].
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* '''Exploited''': ???

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* '''Exploited''': ???A ManipulativeBastard [[AboveGoodAndEvil claims that all morality is relative]], so he's free to KickTheDog whenever he feels like it, and if anyone tries to confront him, he claims that it is only wrong from their perspective.
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* '''Downplayed''': Alice is [[ALighterShadeOfGrey more well-meaning than Bob]], but that doesn't make her completely good.
** [[BlackAndWhiteMorality Light Gray and Dark Gray morality]]

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* '''Downplayed''': '''Downplayed''':
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Alice is [[ALighterShadeOfGrey more well-meaning than Bob]], but that doesn't make her completely good.
** [[BlackAndWhiteMorality Light Gray and Dark Gray morality]]morality]].
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** Alice and Bob's fight incorporates so many ShadesOfConflict, even [[BluendOrangeMorality Blue/Orange]] and [[SillyReasonForWar Green/Purple]] at times, that the conflict becomes more of a murky shade of brown than anything resembling grey.

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** Alice and Bob's fight incorporates so many ShadesOfConflict, even [[BluendOrangeMorality [[BlueAndOrangeMorality Blue/Orange]] and [[SillyReasonForWar Green/Purple]] at times, that the conflict becomes more of a murky shade of brown than anything resembling grey.

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* '''Exaggerated''': Alice is an {{Anti Hero}}ine who battles against Bob, an AntiVillain.

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* '''Exaggerated''': '''Exaggerated''':
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Alice is an {{Anti Hero}}ine who battles against Bob, an AntiVillain.


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** Alice and Bob's fight incorporates so many ShadesOfConflict, even [[BluendOrangeMorality Blue/Orange]] and [[SillyReasonForWar Green/Purple]] at times, that the conflict becomes more of a murky shade of brown than anything resembling grey.
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** SillyReasonForWar


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** [[BlackAndWhiteMorality Light Gray and Dark Gray morality]]
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** Alice is LawfulNeutral while Bob is ChaoticNeutral.
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** Alice and Bob both believe that morality is just a concept that holds everyone else back. Alice discards morality because it gets in the way of true justice. Bob disregards morality because it gets in the way of his goals.
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* '''Invoked''': Charlie hates objective morality and wants to convince the world that morality is subjective by making his own moral philosophy.

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* '''Invoked''': Charlie hates objective morality and wants to convince the world that morality is subjective by [[{{Ubermensch}} making his own moral philosophy.]]

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