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** In general, visiting Moraband is this in hindsight for those who have played ''VideoGame/StarWarsKnightsOfTheOldRepublic''; four thousand years before, the planet was actually fairly normal save for the presence of the Sith. Now? It has been abandoned for who knows how long, and its original name of Korriban is no longer in use.
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* The final scene of the final episode, and the entire series, is a chilling, atmospheric, [[SilenceIsGolden dialogue-free]] sequence showing Imperial Stormtroopers and Darth Vader investigating the [[SnowMeansDeath snow-buried]] crash site of Ahsoka's Star Destroyer. Complete with some really eerie background music, the whole scene is as haunting as it is sad.

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* The final scene of the final episode, [[GrandFinale and the entire series, series]], is a chilling, atmospheric, [[SilenceIsGolden dialogue-free]] sequence showing Imperial Darth Vader and his Stormtroopers and Darth Vader investigating touring the ''Venator'''s crash site, now mostly [[SnowMeansDeath snow-buried]] crash site of buried in snow]]. That ScareChord when Vader ignites Ahsoka's Star Destroyer. Complete with some really eerie background music, original lightsaber is ''very'' unsettling, as is the whole scene final shot of his [[SinisterSilhouettes silhouette]] reflected against a clone trooper helmet. Really, the [[RuleOfSymbolism symbolism]] of it all is as haunting as it is sad.
equal parts nightmarish and [[TearJerker sad]].
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** He sends Padmé to Scipio in the first place to oversee the bank transfer.

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** He sends Padmé to Scipio in the first place to oversee the bank transfer.



** He then gets Dooku to force Clovis to show favouritism towards the Separatists and later launch an invasion of Scipio, prompting the Senate to approve the Republic's invasion of the planet and take control of the banks for himself.
** The now-dead Clovis is now conveniently TheScapegoat, who everyone thinks is a Separatist traitor, leaving nobody any the wiser as to his true goal.

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** He then gets Dooku to force Clovis to show favouritism towards the Separatists and later launch an invasion of Scipio, prompting Scipio...
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the Senate to approve the Republic's invasion of the planet and take planet, thus turning control of the banks for himself.
** The now-dead Clovis is now conveniently TheScapegoat, who everyone thinks is a Separatist traitor, leaving nobody any the wiser as to
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* This arc also makes a point of emphasising just how ''terrifyingly''' good a {{Chessmaster}} Darth Sidious truly is, since he's the one behind ''everything'' that occurs:
** He sends Padmé to Scipio in the first place to oversee the bank transfer.

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* This arc also makes a point of emphasising just how ''terrifyingly''' ''terrifyingly'' good a {{Chessmaster}} Darth Sidious truly is, since he's the one behind ''everything'' that occurs:
** He sends Padmé to Scipio in the first place to oversee the bank transfer.

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* This arc also makes a point of emphasising just how ''terrifyingly''' good a {{Chessmaster}} Darth Sidious truly is, since he's the one behind ''everything'' that occurs:
** He sends Padmé to Scipio in the first place to oversee the bank transfer.
** He hires [[BadassNormal Embo]] to attack Clovis, convincing her he's onto something and to help with his plan to infiltrate the Banking Clan vault.
** He orders Dooku to strike the crooked deal with Clovis, providing the account data needed to expose the [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Core Five]].
** He gives Clovis his full support as Supreme Chancellor of the Republic.
** He then gets Dooku to force Clovis to show favouritism towards the Separatists and later launch an invasion of Scipio, prompting the Senate to approve the Republic's invasion of the planet and take control of the banks for himself.
** The now-dead Clovis is now conveniently TheScapegoat, who everyone thinks is a Separatist traitor, leaving nobody any the wiser as to his true goal.
** Essentially, it's a grim reminder that every single victory won by the Jedi and Clones thus far has been totally meaningless; the events of this war [[DoomedByCanon have all transpired according to his design]].
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** Letta's claim that a ''Jedi'' has come up with the plan to bomb the Jedi Temple hangar. It's possibly untrue, but the implications are still bone-chilling. As it turns out, it's true, and it's someone one would've least expected: no less than Barriss Offee, who's grown disillusioned with the Jedi.

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** Letta's claim that a ''Jedi'' has come up with the plan to bomb the Jedi Temple hangar. It's possibly untrue, but the implications are still bone-chilling. As it turns out, it's true, and it's someone one would've least expected: no less than Barriss Offee, who's grown disillusioned with the Jedi.
Jedi, and framed Ahsoka.
** And look at the wording the Council uses: They say Anakin and Ahsoka are the only ones who can investigate because ''they're the only ones who weren't there.'' The Councilors consider ''each other'' to be potential suspects. And as Yoda points out, if this attacker was willing to bomb the hangar, then they will stop at nothing to escape capture.
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* While it's mostly an awe-inspiring moment of pure joy for every ''The Clone Wars'' fan, the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI7WyhWZkzk revival trailer]] is nevertheless creepy, featuring a long slow pan out from Captain Rex's helmet, through the helmets of Wolffe, Waxer, Cody, and many others through row after row ''after row'' of empty, discarded clone trooper helmets like a [[NothingButSkulls field of skulls]], with [[WarIsHell screaming, gunfire, and artillery in the background]]. The teaser ends with a rocket striking the ground and the entire field of helmets (including the camera) being engulfed in a ''wave of fire''.
** The creepiest part? It features archive audio that belongs to some of the most-beloved clone troopers... and among them, if you listen closely, you can hear Tup whispering "''[[MadnessMantra Good soldiers follow orders]]… [[BrainwashedAndCrazy Good soldiers follow orders]]… [[MadnessMantra Good soldiers follow orders]]...''"
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** And that's just his fighting prowess. His political prowess is just as nightmarish. Having decided Maul's schemes have gone far enough, he waltzes in and co-opts them without breaking a sweat, using the Civil War to return Mandalore to its old martial ways and gaining control over the Independent systems just as he has over the Republic and Separatists.
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* Most of the earlier parts of the episode have an extreme sense of dread hanging over them, which is fitting for what happens later. This is especially true for the scene where the imprisoned Maul is escorted onto the Venator and Ahsoka stands wistfully at the bridge of the ship, which are ''completely silent''. The frequent cuts to Maul closing his eyes and concentrating on ''[[VaguenessIsComing something]]'' do not help one bit. The silence is broken by a brief chat between Ahsoka and Rex; and then another trooper comes in and tells Rex to go back and [[TemptingFate listen to the new orders]]... And then things go south ''very'' quick.

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* Most of the earlier parts of the episode have an extreme sense of dread hanging over them, which is fitting for what happens later. This is especially true for the scene where the imprisoned Maul is escorted onto the Venator and Ahsoka stands wistfully at the bridge of the ship, which are ''completely silent''. The frequent cuts to Maul closing his eyes and concentrating on ''[[VaguenessIsComing something]]'' do not help one bit. The silence is broken by a brief chat between Ahsoka and Rex; and then another trooper comes in and tells Rex to go back and [[TemptingFate listen to the new orders]]...orders... And then things go south ''very'' quick.
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** Which makes one wonder how Order 66 will affect the clones on Mandalore. Sure, Ahsoka, Rex, Bo-Katan, and Ursa all survive, but just seeing one's allies betray and open fire on the heroes on top of having to deal with Maul and his Mandalorian fanatics is just terrifying.
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* The final scene of the final episode, and the entire series, is a chilling, atmospheric, dialogue-free sequence showing the first appearances of Imperial Stormtroopers and Darth Vader in the series.

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* The final scene of the final episode, and the entire series, is a chilling, atmospheric, dialogue-free [[SilenceIsGolden dialogue-free]] sequence showing the first appearances of Imperial Stormtroopers and Darth Vader in investigating the series.
[[SnowMeansDeath snow-buried]] crash site of Ahsoka's Star Destroyer. Complete with some really eerie background music, the whole scene is as haunting as it is sad.
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** Ahsoka looks on while being horrified at what she is seeing, emphasizing that what the others are doing is questionable at best.

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** Ahsoka looks on while being horrified at what she is seeing, emphasizing that what the others are doing is questionable at best.
best. Not to mention, she's the one who suggested it.
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* This story arc features exploding Gungans, Mon Calamari, and Quarren, courtesy of Riff Tamson's knife bombs. It gets even more gruesome when Lee-Char blows Tamson to bits with one of the shark-man's own bombs. We not only see blood onscreen, but also some of Tamson's remains, including his ''head'', sink to the bottom of the sea.

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* This story arc features exploding Gungans, Mon Calamari, and Quarren, courtesy of Riff Tamson's knife bombs.bombs[[note]]we even see an unfortunate gungan ''scream'' in fright before he explodes[[/note]]. It gets even more gruesome when Lee-Char blows Tamson to bits with one of the shark-man's own bombs. We not only see blood onscreen, but also some of Tamson's remains, including his ''head'', sink to the bottom of the sea.
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** General Krell's rampage in "[[Recap/StarWarsTheCloneWarsS4E10CarnageOfKrell Carnage of Krell]]" as well as his obvious sadistic glee in taunting and killing the clone troopers is very frightening.

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** General Krell's rampage in "[[Recap/StarWarsTheCloneWarsS4E10CarnageOfKrell Carnage of Krell]]" as well as his obvious sadistic glee in taunting and killing the clone troopers is very frightening. Not helping is how the Umbaran environment makes his EvilLaughter more unsettling.
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*** At one point, he turns off his lightsabers and kills several clones unarmed in brutal fashion, crushing skulls & chests while [[LightningBruiser moving with supernatural speed to go with his superhuman strength]]; at one point, he hoists a clone trooper up and then snaps the man's spine over his knee like a stick, [[ComicBook/{{Bane}} Bane-style]].

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*** At one point, he turns off his lightsabers and kills several clones unarmed in brutal fashion, crushing skulls & chests while [[LightningBruiser moving with supernatural speed to go with his superhuman strength]]; at one point, he hoists a clone trooper up up, with said-clone screaming, and then snaps the man's spine over his knee like a stick, [[ComicBook/{{Bane}} Bane-style]].
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* Savage Opress' transformation, where his body is mutated into a larger, more powerful form, with his bones audibly cracking as they extend. The change to his personality is no less horrifying: he is turned from a decent, honourable man into a violent, brutish monster, willing to murder his own brother in cold blood with only a moment's hesitation. The murder of his own brother doubles as a TearJerker. Savage's [[spoiler:death]] scene in "[[Recap/StarWarsTheCloneWarsS5E16TheLawless The Lawless]]" lends itself to some disturbing FridgeHorror: [[spoiler:as he dies, Savage's body changes back to its original appearance and his personality seems to revert back to his pre-transformation self, which raises the question of whether any of Savage's evil acts were his own choice, or if he spent the final months of his life as a slave of the Nightsisters' brainwashing]].

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* Savage Opress' transformation, where his body is mutated into a larger, more powerful form, with his bones audibly cracking as they extend. The change to his personality is no less horrifying: he is turned from a decent, honourable man into a violent, brutish monster, willing to murder his own brother in cold blood with only a moment's hesitation. The murder of his own brother doubles as a TearJerker. Savage's [[spoiler:death]] death scene in "[[Recap/StarWarsTheCloneWarsS5E16TheLawless The Lawless]]" lends itself to some disturbing FridgeHorror: [[spoiler:as as he dies, Savage's body changes back to its original appearance and his personality seems to revert back to his pre-transformation self, which raises the question of whether any of Savage's evil acts were his own choice, or if he spent the final months of his life as a slave of the Nightsisters' brainwashing]].brainwashing.
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* During Maul's rampage through the ''Venator''-class Cruiser, he begins to rip pieces of metal off the walls to use as shields and weapons. We also get to see Maul straight-up ''decapitate'' two clone troopers with them (which, [[GoryDiscretionShot while offscreen]], would likely be a far more painful and bloody death than Maul's usual lightsaber decapitations), and a third has his arm sliced off after the blast doors begin sealing up and he uses the Force to pull the unfortunate clone towards him. It's a terrifying CallForward to Vader's rampage in ''Film/RogueOne'', but with Maul's brutality exceeding even Vader's. And he did all this ''without a lightsaber.''

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* During Maul's rampage through the ''Venator''-class Cruiser, he begins to rip pieces of metal off the walls to use as shields and weapons. We also get to see Maul straight-up ''decapitate'' two clone troopers with them (which, [[GoryDiscretionShot while offscreen]], would likely be a far more painful and bloody death than Maul's usual lightsaber decapitations), and a third has his arm sliced off after the blast doors begin sealing up and he uses the Force to pull the unfortunate clone towards him. It's a terrifying CallForward to Vader's rampage in ''Film/RogueOne'', ''Film/RogueOne'' and Luke's in ''Series/TheMandalorian'', but with Maul's brutality exceeding even Vader's. And he did all this ''without a lightsaber.''
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As Senator Padmé Amidala once told [=C-3PO=], [[Franchise/StarWars it's a big universe out there]]. That means there's also some [[NightmareFuel horrors]] waiting that could stick into the minds of even the most fearless Jedi, whether it be the [[WarIsHell horrors of war]], [[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath surprisingly brutal deaths]], creepy locales, frightening species, or psychopathic individuals.

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As Senator Padmé Amidala once told [=C-3PO=], [[Franchise/StarWars it's a big universe out there]]. That means there's also some [[NightmareFuel horrors]] waiting that could stick into the minds of even the most fearless Jedi, whether it be the [[WarIsHell horrors of war]], [[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath surprisingly brutal deaths]], creepy locales, frightening species, or psychopathic individuals.individuals from a galaxy far, far away.
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* Maul's entire speech is honestly terrifying. He claims that justice is pointless, and that it is defined by the system that is in power, a system that he knows will very soon be corrupted and transformed by Sidious. He bitterly and despairingly warns Ahsoka that the Republic has already fallen, the Jedi have already lost to Sidious, and they can't do anything to stop Sidious' victory. It's not just the speech itself, but the way he presents it. Maul, a savage and powerful warrior and cunning tactician who showed almost no fear throughout most of the series, is ''utterly terrified'' of the horrors that Sidious will soon unleash on the galaxy. Even his offer to Ahsoka to join him is portrayed as much more genuine, in stark contrast to his offer to Ezra where is clearly trying to manipulate and corrupt Ezra, because he is ''just that desperate.'' And the worst thing about Maul's speech? Everything that he is claiming about the imminent and absolute triumph of evil is '''absolutely correct.'''

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* Maul's entire speech is honestly terrifying. He claims that justice is pointless, and that it is defined by the system that is in power, a system that he knows will very soon be corrupted and transformed by Sidious. He bitterly and despairingly warns Ahsoka that the Republic has already fallen, the Jedi have already lost to Sidious, and they can't do anything to stop Sidious' victory. It's not just the speech itself, but the way he presents it. Maul, a savage and powerful warrior and cunning tactician who showed almost no fear throughout most of the series, is ''utterly terrified'' of the horrors that Sidious will soon unleash on the galaxy. Even his offer to Ahsoka to join him is portrayed as much more genuine, in stark contrast to his offer to Ezra where is he's clearly trying to manipulate and corrupt Ezra, because he is ''just that desperate.'' And the worst thing about Maul's speech? Everything that he is claiming about the imminent and absolute triumph of evil is '''absolutely correct.'''
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* Savage Opress' transformation, where his body is mutated into a larger, more powerful form, with his bones audibly cracking as they extend. The change to his personality is no less horrifying: he is turned from a decent, honourable man into a violent, brutish monster, willing to murder his own brother in cold blood with only a moment's hesitation. The murder of his own brother doubles as a TearJerker. Savage's death scene in "[[Recap/StarWarsTheCloneWarsS5E16TheLawless The Lawless]]" lends itself to some disturbing FridgeHorror: [[:as he dies, Savage's body changes back to its original appearance and his personality seems to revert back to his pre-transformation self, which raises the question of whether any of Savage's evil acts were his own choice, or if he spent the final months of his life as a slave of the Nightsisters' brainwashing]].

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* Savage Opress' transformation, where his body is mutated into a larger, more powerful form, with his bones audibly cracking as they extend. The change to his personality is no less horrifying: he is turned from a decent, honourable man into a violent, brutish monster, willing to murder his own brother in cold blood with only a moment's hesitation. The murder of his own brother doubles as a TearJerker. Savage's death [[spoiler:death]] scene in "[[Recap/StarWarsTheCloneWarsS5E16TheLawless The Lawless]]" lends itself to some disturbing FridgeHorror: [[:as [[spoiler:as he dies, Savage's body changes back to its original appearance and his personality seems to revert back to his pre-transformation self, which raises the question of whether any of Savage's evil acts were his own choice, or if he spent the final months of his life as a slave of the Nightsisters' brainwashing]].
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* Savage Opress' transformation, where his body is mutated into a larger, more powerful form, with his bones audibly cracking as they extend. The change to his personality is no less horrifying: he is turned from a decent, honourable man into a violent, brutish monster, willing to murder his own brother in cold blood with only a moment's hesitation. The murder of his own brother doubles as a TearJerker. Savage's [[spoiler:death scene]] in "[[Recap/StarWarsTheCloneWarsS5E16TheLawless The Lawless]]" lends itself to some disturbing FridgeHorror: [[spoiler:as he dies, Savage's body changes back to its original appearance and his personality seems to revert back to his pre-transformation self, which raises the question of whether any of Savage's evil acts were his own choice, or if he spent the final months of his life as a slave of the Nightsisters' brainwashing]].

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* Savage Opress' transformation, where his body is mutated into a larger, more powerful form, with his bones audibly cracking as they extend. The change to his personality is no less horrifying: he is turned from a decent, honourable man into a violent, brutish monster, willing to murder his own brother in cold blood with only a moment's hesitation. The murder of his own brother doubles as a TearJerker. Savage's [[spoiler:death scene]] death scene in "[[Recap/StarWarsTheCloneWarsS5E16TheLawless The Lawless]]" lends itself to some disturbing FridgeHorror: [[spoiler:as [[:as he dies, Savage's body changes back to its original appearance and his personality seems to revert back to his pre-transformation self, which raises the question of whether any of Savage's evil acts were his own choice, or if he spent the final months of his life as a slave of the Nightsisters' brainwashing]].



* Then, there is Yoda's trial for temptation in that same episode: he sees the Jedi Temple in ruins with various Jedi slain, including a lingering shot of [[WouldHurtAChild Petro]]. Then, he comes across a dying Ahsoka Tano, who asks him if she'll still be able to become one with the Force [[spoiler:even after being expelled from the Order. If anything, [[TearJerker this shows us he still regrets his part]] in "[[Recap/StarWarsTheCloneWarsS5E20TheWrongJedi The Wrong Jedi]]". The Utopian scenario is just as creepy, except in a more subtle way. It's 100% peaceful, characters who died as a result of the Sith's machinations and no one has left/betrayed the Jedi Order. Oh, and [[NothingIsScarier there's no background music and background chatter, just the sound of wind chimes]], and [[CreepyChild it's Katooni that introduces him into this scenario]]. Even Yoda knows it's too good to be true. The peaceful part breaks when the previously friendly Dooku turns dark (and gets red eyes) and the scenery starts to break apart and turn dark.

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* Then, there is Yoda's trial for temptation in that same episode: he sees the Jedi Temple in ruins with various Jedi slain, including a lingering shot of [[WouldHurtAChild Petro]]. Then, he comes across a dying Ahsoka Tano, who asks him if she'll still be able to become one with the Force [[spoiler:even even after being expelled from the Order. If anything, [[TearJerker this shows us he still regrets his part]] in "[[Recap/StarWarsTheCloneWarsS5E20TheWrongJedi The Wrong Jedi]]". The Utopian scenario is just as creepy, except in a more subtle way. It's 100% peaceful, characters who died as a result of the Sith's machinations and no one has left/betrayed the Jedi Order. Oh, and [[NothingIsScarier there's no background music and background chatter, just the sound of wind chimes]], and [[CreepyChild it's Katooni that introduces him into this scenario]]. Even Yoda knows it's too good to be true. The peaceful part breaks when the previously friendly Dooku turns dark (and gets red eyes) and the scenery starts to break apart and turn dark.
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* The final scene of the final episode, and the entire series, is a chilling, atmospheric, dialogue-free sequence showing the debut of Imperial Stormtroopers and Darth Vader.

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* The final scene of the final episode, and the entire series, is a chilling, atmospheric, dialogue-free sequence showing the debut first appearances of Imperial Stormtroopers and Darth Vader.Vader in the series.
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* Cad Bane and his group of bounty hunters take a Senate landing pad by force. When command radios in to the fallen Senate Guards about the blaster fire, a disguised commando droid explains it as "Protesters against the war. We've taken care of them."

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* Cad Bane and his group of bounty hunters take a Senate landing pad by force. When command radios in to the fallen Senate Guards about the blaster fire, a disguised commando droid explains it as "Protesters against the war. We've taken care of them."them," which has some horrific implications that the Republic is already turning into a military dictatorship this early in the war.



* Honestly, the complete lack of compassion from anyone for a child who is clearly traumatized by his father's death and is being heavily manipulated by the adults "caring" for him is pretty unsettling. The guidebook ''Scum and Villainy'' adds some further horrific implications. As Boba is technically a rogue clone, he wouldn't have received due process in the Republic Judiciary, but Mace requested that Boba get a lighter sentence. If prison time can be considered a lighter sentence (and considering what we've already seen of the [[KangarooCourt Republic Judiciary]] during the Fugitive arc), a lot worse could have happened to Boba.

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* Honestly, the complete lack of compassion from anyone for a child who is clearly traumatized by his father's death and is being heavily manipulated by the adults "caring" for him is pretty unsettling. The guidebook ''Scum and Villainy'' adds some further horrific implications. As Boba is technically a rogue clone, he wouldn't have received due process in the Republic Judiciary, but Mace requested that Boba get a lighter sentence. If prison time can be considered a lighter sentence (and considering what we've already seen of the [[KangarooCourt Republic Judiciary]] during the Fugitive arc), a lot worse could have happened to Boba.
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* Anakin killing Tal Merrik. Sure, he is justified in doing so, but the scarier part is that the ''Imperial March'' plays after he does it.

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* Anakin killing Tal Merrik. Sure, he is justified in doing so, but the scarier part is that the ''Imperial March'' plays after he does it.
it, and he has a satisfied little smile on his face as he looks up from Merrik's corpse to Obi-Wan and Satine.
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* The final scene of the final episode, and the entire series, is a chilling, atmospheric, dialogue-free sequence showing the debut of Imperial Snowtroopers and Darth Vader.

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* The final scene of the final episode, and the entire series, is a chilling, atmospheric, dialogue-free sequence showing the debut of Imperial Snowtroopers Stormtroopers and Darth Vader.
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* The final scene of the final episode, and the entire series, is a chilling, atmospheric, dialogue-free sequence showing the debut of Darth Vader.

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* The final scene of the final episode, and the entire series, is a chilling, atmospheric, dialogue-free sequence showing the debut of Imperial Snowtroopers and Darth Vader.
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* The final scene of the final episode, and the entire series, is a chilling, atmospheric, dialogue-free sequence showing the debut of Darth Vader.
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* At the end of this story arc, Yoda reveals that the ancient Sith used superweapons powered by giant kyber crystals like the one that the Separatists tried to buy from the Sugi. Couple that with the [[HellIsThatNoise familiar sound effect]] given by the crystal's energy discharge and the utter destruction that just one can cause, it's an omen for things to come.

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* At the end of this story arc, Yoda reveals that the ancient Sith used superweapons {{superweapon}}s powered by giant kyber crystals like the one that the Separatists tried to buy from the Sugi. Couple that with the [[HellIsThatNoise familiar sound effect]] given by the crystal's energy discharge and the utter destruction that just one can cause, it's an omen for things to come.
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* The scene where the clones come to execute Maul is absolutely terrifying from his perspective; these clone troopers are Sidious' special guard, and he knows he's about to be either gunned down while completely unable to defend himself or taken to his former master, which ended ''very'' painfully for him last time. It doesn't help that you can hear him breathing faster and see him start to shake with panic. Had Ahsoka showed up even a couple seconds later, the clones would have shot Maul dead while he was still strapped into his coffin-like cell, unable to move or even use the force. As powerful as he is, he's ''completely'' helpless in this situation.

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* The scene where the clones come to execute Maul is absolutely terrifying from his perspective; these clone troopers are Sidious' special guard, and he knows he's about to be either gunned down while completely unable to defend himself or taken to his former master, which ended ''very'' painfully for him last time. It doesn't help that you can hear him breathing faster and see him start to shake with panic. Had Ahsoka showed up even a couple seconds later, the clones would have shot Maul dead while he was still strapped into his coffin-like cell, unable to move move, use the force, or even use the force.speak. As powerful as he is, he's ''completely'' helpless in this situation.

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