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* CoverVersion: Black Diamond, originally by Music/{{KISS}}. They were also known for throwing in sloppy, half-remembered covers during their live shows - the bootleg turned semi-official LiveAlbum ''The Shit Hits the Fans'' consists almost entirely of such things.

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* CoverVersion: Black Diamond, "Black Diamond", originally by Music/{{KISS}}. They were also known for throwing in sloppy, half-remembered covers during their live shows - the bootleg turned semi-official LiveAlbum ''The Shit Hits the Fans'' consists almost entirely of such things.


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* NonSequitur: "Asking Me Lies" is made up of these.
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* DrunkenSong: "Beer For Breakfast"
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* BitingTheHandHumor: The inside sleeve of ''Let It Be'' has a closeup of what looks to be a garage door covered with various in-jokey graffiti, including "Twin Tone eats slotty crap" [[hottip:*: or possibly "sloth crap" depending upon how you interpret the scrawled handwriting]] - Twin/Tone was the record label they were signed to at the time. Humorously, on some editions of the album, the Twin/Tone logo appears directly beneath that message.

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* BitingTheHandHumor: The inside sleeve back cover of ''Let It Be'' has is a closeup of what looks to be a garage door covered with various in-jokey graffiti, including "Twin Tone eats slotty crap" [[hottip:*: or possibly "sloth crap" depending upon how you interpret the scrawled handwriting]] - Twin/Tone was the record label they were signed to at the time. Humorously, on some editions of the album, the Twin/Tone logo appears directly beneath that message.
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* BitingTheHandHumor: The inside sleeve of ''Let It Be'' has a closeup of what looks to be a garage door covered with various in-jokey graffiti, including "Twin Tone eats slotty crap" [[hottip:*: or possibly "sloth crap" depending upon how you interpret the scrawled handwriting]] - Twin/Tone was the record label they were signed to at the time. Humorously, on some editions of the album, the Twin/Tone logo appears directly beneath that message.
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* MoodWhiplash: They go from earnest, genuinely touching songs like "I Will Dare" or "Sixteen Blue" to blatantly crass ones like "Tommy Gets His Tonsils Out" and "Gary's Got A Boner" seemingly at random. "We're Coming Out" does it in a single song: it starts out as a HardcorePunk songs, slows down for a jazzy, piano-based section, then starts speeding back up again and quickly ends in chaos.

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* MoodWhiplash: They go from earnest, genuinely touching songs like "I Will Dare" or "Sixteen Blue" to blatantly crass ones like "Tommy Gets His Tonsils Out" and "Gary's Got A Boner" seemingly at random. "We're Coming Out" does it in a single song: it starts out as a one of their HardcorePunk songs, slows down for a jazzy, piano-based section, then starts speeding back up again and quickly ends in chaos.
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* MoodWhiplash: They go from earnest, genuinely touching songs like "I Will Dare" or "Sixteen Blue" to blatantly crass ones like "Tommy Gets His Tonsils Out" and "Gary's Got A Boner" seemingly at random. "We're Coming Out" does it in a single song.

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* MoodWhiplash: They go from earnest, genuinely touching songs like "I Will Dare" or "Sixteen Blue" to blatantly crass ones like "Tommy Gets His Tonsils Out" and "Gary's Got A Boner" seemingly at random. "We're Coming Out" does it in a single song.song: it starts out as a HardcorePunk songs, slows down for a jazzy, piano-based section, then starts speeding back up again and quickly ends in chaos.
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* CoverVersion: Black Diamond, originally by Music/{{KISS}}.

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* CoverVersion: Black Diamond, originally by Music/{{KISS}}. They were also known for throwing in sloppy, half-remembered covers during their live shows - the bootleg turned semi-official LiveAlbum ''The Shit Hits the Fans'' consists almost entirely of such things.
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* MoodWhiplash: They go from earnest, genuinely touching songs like "I Will Dare" or "Sixteen Blue" to blatantly crass ones like "Tommy Gets His Tonsils Out" and "Gary's Got A Boner" seemingly at random. "We're Coming Out" does it in a single song.
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* LeaveTheCameraRunning TheOner: The video for "Bastard of Young", a static shot of a stereo system playing the song at the wrong speed.

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* LeaveTheCameraRunning TheOner: LeaveTheCameraRunning: The video for "Bastard of Young", a static shot of a stereo system playing the song at the wrong speed.
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* LeaveTheCameraRunning TheOner: The video for "Bastard of Young", a static shot of a stereo system playing the song at the wrong speed.
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Starting out as a loud fast HardcorePunk band, they transitioned into a melodic alternative rock band, driven by the heart on the sleeve, earnest songwriting of Paul Westerberg. In terms of general popularity the Mats barely register compared to the likes of their contemporaries REM or their arguable successors Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. But don't feel too sorry for them though, much of their unpopularity can be attributed to their drunken stage antics and penchant for biting the hand that feeds.

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Starting out as a loud fast HardcorePunk band, they transitioned into a melodic alternative rock band, driven by the heart on the sleeve, earnest songwriting of Paul Westerberg. In terms of general popularity the Mats barely register compared to the likes of their contemporaries REM Music/{{REM}} or their arguable successors Nirvana, Pearl Jam Music/{{Nirvana}}, Music/PearlJam and Soundgarden.Music/{{Soundgarden}}. But don't feel too sorry for them though, much of their unpopularity can be attributed to their drunken stage antics and penchant for biting the hand that feeds.
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* CoverVersion: Black Diamond, previously by {{KISS}}.
* DreadfulMusician: All of their albums have ropey parts, but Hootenanny really takes the cake.
* DrivenToSuicide: The main character of The Ledge. It's never explicitly stated why he wants to kill himself, but the song implies he feels ignored by the world.
* DrowningMySorrows: Here Comes A Regular
* DownerEnding: The Ledge
* EmoTeen: Sixteen Blue, likely semi-autobiographical.

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* CoverVersion: Black Diamond, previously originally by {{KISS}}.
Music/{{KISS}}.
* DreadfulMusician: All of their albums have ropey parts, but Hootenanny ''Hootenanny'' really takes the cake.
* DrivenToSuicide: The main character of The Ledge."The Ledge". It's never explicitly stated why he wants to kill himself, but the song implies he feels ignored by the world.
* DrowningMySorrows: Here "Here Comes A Regular
a Regular"
* DownerEnding: The Ledge
"The Ledge".
* EmoTeen: Sixteen Blue, "Sixteen Blue", likely semi-autobiographical.



* {{Gayngst}}: Possibly the protagonist of Sixteen Blue. He wonders if he is gay, because he shows no interest in girls and doesn't understand sexuality, and he lies to his dad about going on a date.

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* {{Gayngst}}: Possibly the protagonist of Sixteen Blue."Sixteen Blue". He wonders if he is gay, because he shows no interest in girls and doesn't understand sexuality, and he lies to his dad about going on a date.



* IAmTheBand: Increasingly Westerberg, much to Tommy Stinson's well publicised chagrin, to the extent that All Shook Down was nearly released as a solo record

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* IAmTheBand: Increasingly Westerberg, much to Tommy Stinson's well publicised chagrin, to the extent that All ''All Shook Down Down'' was nearly released as a solo record



* IWantSong: Here Comes A Regular and Unsatisfied.

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* IWantSong: Here "Here Comes A Regular a Regular" and Unsatisfied."Unsatisfied".



* MasculineGirlFeminineBoy: Dick and Jane from Androgynous.
* MeaningfulEcho: Here Comes A Regular has "ain't much to rake anyway in the fall".

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* MasculineGirlFeminineBoy: Dick and Jane from Androgynous.
"Androgynous".
* MeaningfulEcho: Here "Here Comes A Regular Regular" has "ain't much to rake anyway in the fall".



* TakeThat: Seen Your Video, a swipe at hair metal bands of the era.

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* TakeThat: Seen "Seen Your Video, Video", a swipe at hair metal bands of the era.
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* TitleOnlyChorus: Gary's God A Boner, subverted after the first chorus with "Gary's Got A Soft On".

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* TitleOnlyChorus: Gary's God A Boner, "Gary's Got a Boner", subverted after the first chorus with "Gary's Got A Soft On".
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* DownerEnding: The Ledge

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Defining {{Alternative Rock}} bands, before it was cool. The definitive lineup included Paul Westerberg (rhythm guitar, vocals), Tommy Stinson (bass), Bobby Stinson (lead guitar) and Chris Mars (drums). Bobby Stinson was replaced by Slim Dunlop in 1987 and Chris Mars by Steve Foley in 1990. Since the breakup of the band in 1991 Westerberg has released numerous solo records, and Tommy Stinson has played in a number of bands, most notably with [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Music/GunsNRoses?from=Main.GunsNRoses Axl Rose and Friends]].

Starting out as a loud fast {{Hardcore Punk}} band, they transitioned into a melodic alternative rock band, driven by the heart on the sleeve, earnest songwriting of Paul Westerberg. In terms of general popularity the Mats barely register compared to the likes of their contemporaries REM or their arguable successors Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. But don't feel too sorry for them though, much of their unpopularity can be attributed to their drunken stage antics and penchant for biting the hand that feeds.

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Defining {{Alternative Rock}} bands, before it was cool. The definitive lineup included Paul Westerberg (rhythm guitar, vocals), Tommy Stinson (bass), Bobby Stinson (lead guitar) and Chris Mars (drums). Bobby Stinson was replaced by Slim Dunlop in 1987 and Chris Mars by Steve Foley in 1990. Since the breakup of the band in 1991 Westerberg has released numerous solo records, and Tommy Stinson has played in a number of bands, most notably with [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Music/GunsNRoses?from=Main.GunsNRoses [[Music/GunsNRoses Axl Rose and Friends]].

Starting out as a loud fast {{Hardcore Punk}} HardcorePunk band, they transitioned into a melodic alternative rock band, driven by the heart on the sleeve, earnest songwriting of Paul Westerberg. In terms of general popularity the Mats barely register compared to the likes of their contemporaries REM or their arguable successors Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. But don't feel too sorry for them though, much of their unpopularity can be attributed to their drunken stage antics and penchant for biting the hand that feeds.



* TitleOnlyChorus: Gary's God A Boner, subverted after the first chorus with "Gary's Got A Soft On".

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* TitleOnlyChorus: Gary's God A Boner, subverted after the first chorus with "Gary's Got A Soft On".On".
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* MeaningfulEcho: Here Comes A Regular has "ain't much to rake anyway in the fall".
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* MasculineGirlFeminineBoy: Dick and Jane from Androgynous.
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* DrivenToSuicide: The main character of The Ledge. It's never explicitly stated why he wants to kill himself, but the song implies he feels ignored by the world.
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* {{Gayngst}}: Possibly the protagonist of Sixteen Blue. He openly wonders if he is gay, because he shows no interest in girls and doesn't understand sexuality, and he lies to his dad about going on a date.

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* {{Gayngst}}: Possibly the protagonist of Sixteen Blue. He openly wonders if he is gay, because he shows no interest in girls and doesn't understand sexuality, and he lies to his dad about going on a date.
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* {{Gayngst}}: Possibly the protagonist of Sixteen Blue. He openly wonders if he is gay, because he shows no interest in girls and doesn't understand sexuality, and he lies to his dad about going on a date.
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* DrowningMySorrows: Here Comes A Regular

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* ControlFreak: Westerberg, according to Tommy Stinson at least.
* CoverVersion: Black Diamond.

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* ControlFreak: Westerberg, according to Tommy Stinson at least.
* CoverVersion: Black Diamond.Diamond, previously by {{KISS}}.

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* CreativeDifferences: Part of the reasoning for Bobby Stinson's departure from the group in 1986. See Everyone Has Standards below for the other part.

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* CreativeDifferences: Part of the reasoning for Bobby Stinson's departure from the group in 1986. See Everyone Has Standards below for the other part.ControlFreak: Westerberg, according to Tommy Stinson at least.
* CoverVersion: Black Diamond.


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* EmoTeen: Sixteen Blue, likely semi-autobiographical.


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* IWantSong: Here Comes A Regular and Unsatisfied.
* LuddWasRight: Westerberg has a thing against the Answering Machine.


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* ThisLoserIsYou: The whole band, and a significant part of their appeal.
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Considered one of the one of the most influential bands of all time, and one of the defining {{Alternative Rock}} bands. The definitive lineup included Paul Westerberg (rhythm guitar, vocals), Tommy Stinson (bass), Bobby Stinson (lead guitar) and Chris Mars (drums). Bobby Stinson was replaced by Slim Dunlop in 1987 and Chris Mars by Steve Foley in 1990. Since the breakup of the band in 1991 Westerberg has released numerous solo records, and Tommy Stinson has played in a number of bands, most notably with [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Music/GunsNRoses?from=Main.GunsNRoses Axl Rose and Friends]].

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Considered one of the one of the most influential bands of all time, and one of the defining Defining {{Alternative Rock}} bands.bands, before it was cool. The definitive lineup included Paul Westerberg (rhythm guitar, vocals), Tommy Stinson (bass), Bobby Stinson (lead guitar) and Chris Mars (drums). Bobby Stinson was replaced by Slim Dunlop in 1987 and Chris Mars by Steve Foley in 1990. Since the breakup of the band in 1991 Westerberg has released numerous solo records, and Tommy Stinson has played in a number of bands, most notably with [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Music/GunsNRoses?from=Main.GunsNRoses Axl Rose and Friends]].
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* TheAlcoholic: All the original members, particularly Bobby Stinson.


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* DreadfulMusician: All of their albums have ropey parts, but Hootenanny really takes the cake.
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* HarshVocals: Most of the rocky tracks.


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* IndecipherableLyrics: Applicable to a lot of the rockier tracks.


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* TakeThat: Seen Your Video, a swipe at hair metal bands of the era.
* TitleOnlyChorus: Gary's God A Boner, subverted after the first chorus with "Gary's Got A Soft On".
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* CreativeDifferences: Part of the reasoning for Bobby Stinson's departure from the group in 1986. See Everyone Has Standards below for the other part.
* EveryoneHasStandards: Bobby Stinson was let go from the band partly as a result of his excessive drinking. YMMV on how impressive/shocking that is.


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* {{Rockumentary}}: [[http://www.whatwerewethinkingfilms.com/colormeobsessed/ Color Me Obsessed]]
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Starting out as a loud fast {{Hardcore Punk}} band, they transitioned into a melodic alternative rock band, driven by the heart on the sleeve, earnest songwriting of Paul Westerberg. In terms of general popularity the Mats barely register compared to the likes of their contemporaries REM or their arguable successors Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. But don't feel too sorry for them though, much of their unpopularity can be attributed to their drunken stage antics and penchant for biting the hand that feeds.

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Starting out as a loud fast {{Hardcore Punk}} band, they transitioned into a melodic alternative rock band, driven by the heart on the sleeve, earnest songwriting of Paul Westerberg. In terms of general popularity the Mats barely register compared to the likes of their contemporaries REM or their arguable successors Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. But don't feel too sorry for them though, much of their unpopularity can be attributed to their drunken stage antics and penchant for biting the hand that feeds.feeds.

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* 1981: ''Sorry Ma, Forgot to Take Out the Trash''
* 1982: ''Stink: "Kids Don't Follow" Plus Seven''
* 1983: ''Hootenanny''
* 1984: ''Let It Be''
* 1985: ''Tim''
* 1987: ''Pleased to Meet Me''
* 1989: ''Don't Tell a Soul''
* 1990: ''All Shook Down''

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* IAmTheBand: Increasingly Westerberg, much to Tommy Stinson's well publicised chagrin, to the extent that All Shook Down was nearly released as a solo record

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Considered one of the one of the most influential bands of all time, and one of the defining {{Alternative Rock}} bands. Starting out as a loud fast {{Hardcore Punk}} band, they transitioned into a more diverse and emotional band that defined an entire generation. Their magnum opus Let It Be changed the face of alternative rock and continues to be seen as one of the greatest of the 80's.

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Considered one of the one of the most influential bands of all time, and one of the defining {{Alternative Rock}} bands. The definitive lineup included Paul Westerberg (rhythm guitar, vocals), Tommy Stinson (bass), Bobby Stinson (lead guitar) and Chris Mars (drums). Bobby Stinson was replaced by Slim Dunlop in 1987 and Chris Mars by Steve Foley in 1990. Since the breakup of the band in 1991 Westerberg has released numerous solo records, and Tommy Stinson has played in a number of bands, most notably with [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Music/GunsNRoses?from=Main.GunsNRoses Axl Rose and Friends]].

Starting out as a loud fast {{Hardcore Punk}} band, they transitioned into a more diverse and emotional band that defined an entire generation. Their magnum opus Let It Be changed the face of melodic alternative rock band, driven by the heart on the sleeve, earnest songwriting of Paul Westerberg. In terms of general popularity the Mats barely register compared to the likes of their contemporaries REM or their arguable successors Nirvana, Pearl Jam and continues Soundgarden. But don't feel too sorry for them though, much of their unpopularity can be attributed to be seen as one of their drunken stage antics and penchant for biting the greatest of the 80's.hand that feeds.
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Considered one of the one of the most influential bands of all time, and one of the defining {{Alternative Rock}} bands. Starting out as a loud fast {{Hardcore Punk}} band, they transitioned into a more diverse and emotional band that defined an entire generation. Their magnum opus Let It Be changed the face of alternative rock and continues to be seen as one of the greatest of the 80's.

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