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* ComicBook/TheJoker has his motives originally being a killer clown with almost no motive in his first appearances of the GoldenAge, to just a common criminal after things like money in UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}}. However, it is averted nowadays, since his insanity means his reasons and motives to do anything can change at the drop of a hat. Most commonly they're a combination of ItAmusedMe and ForTheEvulz, with an occasional dash of DisproportionateRetribution towards somebody for some perceived (and often totally unintentional) slight. That said, Joker's most consistent motivation for his actions involves screwing with and/or trying to kill Batman and his Batfamily in some manner or another.
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* ComicBook/TheJoker has his motives originally being a killer clown with almost no motive in his first appearances of the GoldenAge, to just a common criminal after things like money in UsefulNotes/{{the MediaNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}}. However, it is averted nowadays, since his insanity means his reasons and motives to do anything can change at the drop of a hat. Most commonly they're a combination of ItAmusedMe and ForTheEvulz, with an occasional dash of DisproportionateRetribution towards somebody for some perceived (and often totally unintentional) slight. That said, Joker's most consistent motivation for his actions involves screwing with and/or trying to kill Batman and his Batfamily in some manner or another.
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** To be fair to Deathstroke, he'd already become plenty unstable during his own series, which took place during UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks. Then his [[DemonicPossession demon-possessed]] son Jericho (whom he'd had to ''kill'' years earlier) took over his mind, spent months tormenting him with every hideous thing he could imagine (and vice-versa), and forced Deathstroke to kill his MoralityPet Wintergreen and ''mount the man's head on a plaque''.
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** To be fair to Deathstroke, he'd already become plenty unstable during his own series, which took place during UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks.MediaNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks. Then his [[DemonicPossession demon-possessed]] son Jericho (whom he'd had to ''kill'' years earlier) took over his mind, spent months tormenting him with every hideous thing he could imagine (and vice-versa), and forced Deathstroke to kill his MoralityPet Wintergreen and ''mount the man's head on a plaque''.
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* Gargamel originally wanted to use one of ComicBook/TheSmurfs as an ingredient to create the PhilosophersStone and make gold. For some reason, in later seasons, he simply wanted to capture/eat/destroy them for no real reason other than they kept besting his last plan to get them. He got his original motive back in "A Child Among the Smurfs", but seemingly he forgets that he needed just one Smurf, and tries to get all of them anyways.
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* Gargamel originally wanted to use one of ComicBook/TheSmurfs as an ingredient to create the PhilosophersStone and make gold. For some reason, in later seasons, he simply wanted to capture/eat/destroy them for no real reason other than they kept besting his last plan to get them. He got his original motive back in "A Child Among the Smurfs", but seemingly he forgets that he needed just one Smurf, and tries to get all of them anyways. In "Gargamel, friend of the Smurfs", he learns that the recipe he had for the PhilosophersStone that required a Smurf was actually bogus, and spends the whole story acting benevolent toward the Smurfs [[spoiler:until it is revealed it was all an act to capture them all in order to make them his slaves]].
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** ComicBook/GreenGoblin's early motives were to become New York's crime lord, humiliating Spider-Man, and then after being hit with EasyAmnesia, he goes dormant, resurfaces to murder Gwen Stacy, goes underground in Europe, and plots ComicBook/TheCloneSaga [[MissingStepsPlan for, profit?]] and then since returning, he has become even more erratic than usual.
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** ComicBook/GreenGoblin's early motives were The [[ComicBook/NormanOsborn Green Goblin]] began his career as a ruthless businessman who sought to become New York's crime lord, take over the criminal underworld, having already conquered the world of business, then it was humiliating Spider-Man, and then after being hit with EasyAmnesia, he goes dormant, resurfaces to murder Gwen Stacy, goes underground in Europe, and plots ComicBook/TheCloneSaga ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'' [[MissingStepsPlan for, profit?]] and then since returning, he has become even more erratic than usual.
usual. A number of failures at the hands of Spider-Man slowly downgraded his motives into ever more personal revenge on the spider, to the point where eventually Norman Osborn's entire life revolved around Spider-Man.
*** Though during ''ComicBook/DarkReign'', he kept his eye on the ball and had taken over Fury's job.
*** Although even through that, he kept up the petty obsession with Spider-Man, he just had more resources to help him bear down on it. For instance, when working through his "List" of obstacles to take care of, he saved Spider-Man for last. Not because Spidey was any great threat (at least, no more so than any other individual hero), but because he wanted to give himself a "reward" for finishing the other items on the list.
*** There was even a ComicBook/WhatIf story where Norman possessed the Infinity Gauntlet, giving him omnipotence. While he did rule the world with his new powers, his main priorities were, rather pathetically: 1) [[EvilIsPetty trapping Spider-Man in a time loop, forcing him to relive Gwen Stacey's death over and over;]] and 2) bringing his hated, abusive father back from the dead to gloat over how [[WellDoneSonGuy he finally made something of himself.]] When Norman's father [[JerkassHasAPoint rightly dubbed him a monster]] and refused to give him the respect Norman desperately craved, Norman spitefully erased the old man from existence, [[PuffOfLogic only to realize too late what would happen to him as a result.]]
*** His [[ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan Ultimate Universe Counterpart]] is much the same. The man was originally only interested in patenting the Oz formula and making millions for replacing the Super Soldier Serum that created Captain America, but after his first arrest at the hands of Nick Fury and Spider-Man (and subsequent imprisonment) he started to shift his focus to revenge on Fury by destroying his career. After ''that'' was foiled enough times by Spider-Man, Norman changed gears again and focused everything on killing Peter. In fairness, it's shown through a first-person glance through his eyes that the Oz did some... ''[[HearingVoices interesting]]'' [[{{Hallucinations}} things]] to his sanity.
** Slyde is a rather tragic example. Originally chemist Jalome Beecham created a non-stick coating, but was fired from his job by a CorruptCorporateExecutive before he could market it. Deciding to [[StartMyOwn start his own]] business and market it himself, he created a costumed identity covered with said coating so he could rob banks (since they wouldn't give him a loan). However he wasn't really that evil [[note]] He was happy when some policemen who crashed their car trying to catch him were okay and he even admits privately he plans to "trash the suit" and live a normal life when he gets all the money he needs.[[/note]] and Spidey did save him when his Jerkass boss tried to have him killed. In his later appearances, he's treated as just a regular supervillain, even joining the Masters of Evil, whose goal was affect the world's weather patterns, which would not help his goal in the slightest.[[note]] Although he did show some instances of EvilFeelsGood even in his debut, where he admitted the criminal life had advantages, and he did double cross the district attorney he made a deal with. [[/note]] Perhaps if he had stuck to his original goal, not only would his brother not have been killed by the Hand after adopting his identity while he was in prison, but he wouldn't have been killed by Hammerhead as an example when he refused to join his supervillain group during the ComicBook/{{Civil War|2006}}.
** ComicBook/{{Venom}} could be said to have lame motivations from the start, wanting revenge on Spider-Man for exposing the truth about Eddie Brock's shoddy reporting when he should have arguably done a better job himself. This trope is [[InvertedTrope inverted]] in the various [[AdaptationDistillation screen adaptations]] of the Spider-comics, as both the 1990s cartoon and ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' cartoon, as well as the ''Film/SpiderMan3'' movie, all take their time to build up Peter Parker's animosity with Eddie Brock, giving him more and better reasons to hate Spider-Man than he ever had in the comics, and making their animosity more personal. In the original comics, Eddie Brock was unveiled without much buildup, but subsequent takes on the Venom character develop Eddie Brock on his own, before any contact with the symbiote.
*** In the comics, it morphs into that Eddie decides that pre-symbiote, he was innocent and Peter screwed with all that by destroying his career. Eddie decides to go off and protect innocence in all its forms, which has the side effect of making the audience like him (he doesn't intentionally kill the good guys anymore).
*** Also, it's been {{retcon}}ned that the real reason Brock decided to kill himself the night he bonded with the symbiote wasn't solely because Spidey ruined his career; it turns out Brock had terminal cancer, and the death of his career was just the final straw.
**** The recent ''Venom: Dark Origin'' keeps the lame motives, but brilliantly analyzes Eddie's past and shows that he is deeply mentally disturbed. And the ironic thing is, in real life, sometimes minor slights really are enough to make somebody your enemy.
** Subverted by the Shocker, a charter member of Spider-Man's RoguesGallery. All he really wants is to make a dishonest buck, and he otherwise doesn't really care about Spider-Man. The problem is that keeps running into Spider-Man over and over and ''over'' again every time he tries to commit a robbery or a hired killing...
** Another subversion comes from the Beetle, an enemy of Spider-Man and the [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Human Torch]]. While he first sets out to get revenge on both of them, his defeats made the Beetle realize that revenge was a sucker's game and he resolved to only stick to straight crime. When the Kingpin's [[TheDragon Arranger]] tried to hire him to kill Spidey, the Beetle flat-out refused... but the Arranger set up a situation where the Beetle ended up fighting Spidey anyway.
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*** Though during ''ComicBook/DarkReign'', he kept his eye on the ball and had taken over Fury's job.
*** Although even through that, he kept up the petty obsession with Spider-Man, he just had more resources to help him bear down on it. For instance, when working through his "List" of obstacles to take care of, he saved Spider-Man for last. Not because Spidey was any great threat (at least, no more so than any other individual hero), but because he wanted to give himself a "reward" for finishing the other items on the list.
*** There was even a ComicBook/WhatIf story where Norman possessed the Infinity Gauntlet, giving him omnipotence. While he did rule the world with his new powers, his main priorities were, rather pathetically: 1) [[EvilIsPetty trapping Spider-Man in a time loop, forcing him to relive Gwen Stacey's death over and over;]] and 2) bringing his hated, abusive father back from the dead to gloat over how [[WellDoneSonGuy he finally made something of himself.]] When Norman's father [[JerkassHasAPoint rightly dubbed him a monster]] and refused to give him the respect Norman desperately craved, Norman spitefully erased the old man from existence, [[PuffOfLogic only to realize too late what would happen to him as a result.]]
*** His [[ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan Ultimate Universe Counterpart]] is much the same. The man was originally only interested in patenting the Oz formula and making millions for replacing the Super Soldier Serum that created Captain America, but after his first arrest at the hands of Nick Fury and Spider-Man (and subsequent imprisonment) he started to shift his focus to revenge on Fury by destroying his career. After ''that'' was foiled enough times by Spider-Man, Norman changed gears again and focused everything on killing Peter. In fairness, it's shown through a first-person glance through his eyes that the Oz did some... ''[[HearingVoices interesting]]'' [[{{Hallucinations}} things]] to his sanity.
** Slyde is a rather tragic example. Originally chemist Jalome Beecham created a non-stick coating, but was fired from his job by a CorruptCorporateExecutive before he could market it. Deciding to [[StartMyOwn start his own]] business and market it himself, he created a costumed identity covered with said coating so he could rob banks (since they wouldn't give him a loan). However he wasn't really that evil [[note]] He was happy when some policemen who crashed their car trying to catch him were okay and he even admits privately he plans to "trash the suit" and live a normal life when he gets all the money he needs.[[/note]] and Spidey did save him when his Jerkass boss tried to have him killed. In his later appearances, he's treated as just a regular supervillain, even joining the Masters of Evil, whose goal was affect the world's weather patterns, which would not help his goal in the slightest.[[note]] Although he did show some instances of EvilFeelsGood even in his debut, where he admitted the criminal life had advantages, and he did double cross the district attorney he made a deal with. [[/note]] Perhaps if he had stuck to his original goal, not only would his brother not have been killed by the Hand after adopting his identity while he was in prison, but he wouldn't have been killed by Hammerhead as an example when he refused to join his supervillain group during the ComicBook/{{Civil War|2006}}.
** ComicBook/{{Venom}} could be said to have lame motivations from the start, wanting revenge on Spider-Man for exposing the truth about Eddie Brock's shoddy reporting when he should have arguably done a better job himself. This trope is [[InvertedTrope inverted]] in the various [[AdaptationDistillation screen adaptations]] of the Spider-comics, as both the 1990s cartoon and ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' cartoon, as well as the ''Film/SpiderMan3'' movie, all take their time to build up Peter Parker's animosity with Eddie Brock, giving him more and better reasons to hate Spider-Man than he ever had in the comics, and making their animosity more personal. In the original comics, Eddie Brock was unveiled without much buildup, but subsequent takes on the Venom character develop Eddie Brock on his own, before any contact with the symbiote.
*** In the comics, it morphs into that Eddie decides that pre-symbiote, he was innocent and Peter screwed with all that by destroying his career. Eddie decides to go off and protect innocence in all its forms, which has the side effect of making the audience like him (he doesn't intentionally kill the good guys anymore).
*** Also, it's been {{retcon}}ned that the real reason Brock decided to kill himself the night he bonded with the symbiote wasn't solely because Spidey ruined his career; it turns out Brock had terminal cancer, and the death of his career was just the final straw.
**** The recent ''Venom: Dark Origin'' keeps the lame motives, but brilliantly analyzes Eddie's past and shows that he is deeply mentally disturbed. And the ironic thing is, in real life, sometimes minor slights really are enough to make somebody your enemy.
** Subverted by the Shocker, a charter member of Spider-Man's RoguesGallery. All he really wants is to make a dishonest buck, and he otherwise doesn't really care about Spider-Man. The problem is that keeps running into Spider-Man over and over and ''over'' again every time he tries to commit a robbery or a hired killing...
** Another subversion comes from the Beetle, an enemy of Spider-Man and the [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Human Torch]]. While he first sets out to get revenge on both of them, his defeats made the Beetle realize that revenge was a sucker's game and he resolved to only stick to straight crime. When the Kingpin's [[TheDragon Arranger]] tried to hire him to kill Spidey, the Beetle flat-out refused... but the Arranger set up a situation where the Beetle ended up fighting Spidey anyway.
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* The ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' villain ComicBook/{{Venom}} could be said to have lame motivations from the start, wanting revenge on Spider-Man for exposing the truth about Eddie Brock's shoddy reporting when he should have arguably done a better job himself. This trope is [[InvertedTrope inverted]] in the various [[AdaptationDistillation screen adaptations]] of the Spider-comics, as both the 1990s cartoon and ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' cartoon, as well as the ''Film/SpiderMan3'' movie, all take their time to build up Peter Parker's animosity with Eddie Brock, giving him more and better reasons to hate Spider-Man than he ever had in the comics, and making their animosity more personal. In the original comics, Eddie Brock was unveiled without much buildup, but subsequent takes on the Venom character develop Eddie Brock on his own, before any contact with the symbiote.
** In the comics, it morphs into that Eddie decides that pre-symbiote, he was innocent and Peter screwed with all that by destroying his career. Eddie decides to go off and protect innocence in all its forms, which has the side effect of making the audience like him (he doesn't intentionally kill the good guys anymore).
** Also, it's been {{retcon}}ned that the real reason Brock decided to kill himself the night he bonded with the symbiote wasn't solely because Spidey ruined his career; it turns out Brock had terminal cancer, and the death of his career was just the final straw.
*** The recent ''Venom: Dark Origin'' keeps the lame motives, but brilliantly analyzes Eddie's past and shows that he is deeply mentally disturbed. And the ironic thing is, in real life, sometimes minor slights really are enough to make somebody your enemy.
** In the comics, it morphs into that Eddie decides that pre-symbiote, he was innocent and Peter screwed with all that by destroying his career. Eddie decides to go off and protect innocence in all its forms, which has the side effect of making the audience like him (he doesn't intentionally kill the good guys anymore).
** Also, it's been {{retcon}}ned that the real reason Brock decided to kill himself the night he bonded with the symbiote wasn't solely because Spidey ruined his career; it turns out Brock had terminal cancer, and the death of his career was just the final straw.
*** The recent ''Venom: Dark Origin'' keeps the lame motives, but brilliantly analyzes Eddie's past and shows that he is deeply mentally disturbed. And the ironic thing is, in real life, sometimes minor slights really are enough to make somebody your enemy.
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* ComicBook/{{Darkseid}} of Creator/JackKirby fame. His motive was to find the Anti-Life Equation and enslave the universe. Forty years later he just keeps showing up to mess with Earth and the Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica. He finally managed to get back on track in ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis''.
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* ComicBook/{{Darkseid}} of Creator/JackKirby fame. His motive was to find the Anti-Life Equation and enslave the universe. Forty years later he just keeps showing up to mess with Earth and the Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica.ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica. He finally managed to get back on track in ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis''.
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* ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' {{archenemy}} the [[ComicBook/NormanOsborn Green Goblin]] began his career as a ruthless businessman who sought to take over the criminal underworld, having already conquered the world of business. A number of failures at the hands of Spider-Man slowly downgraded his motives into ever more personal revenge on the spider, to the point where eventually Norman Osborn's entire life revolved around Spider-Man.
** Though during Dark Reign, he kept his eye on the ball and had taken over Fury's job.
** Although even through that, he kept up the petty obsession with Spider-Man, he just had more resources to help him bear down on it. For instance, when working through his "List" of obstacles to take care of, he saved Spider-Man for last. Not because Spidey was any great threat (at least, no more so than any other individual hero), but because he wanted to give himself a "reward" for finishing the other items on the list.
** There was even a ComicBook/WhatIf story where Norman possessed the Infinity Gauntlet, giving him omnipotence. While he did rule the world with his new powers, his main priorities were, rather pathetically: 1) [[EvilIsPetty trapping Spider-Man in a time loop, forcing him to relive Gwen Stacey's death over and over;]] and 2) bringing his hated, abusive father back from the dead to gloat over how [[WellDoneSonGuy he finally made something of himself.]] When Norman's father [[JerkassHasAPoint rightly dubbed him a monster]] and refused to give him the respect Norman desperately craved, Norman spitefully erased the old man from existence, [[PuffOfLogic only to realize too late what would happen to him as a result.]]
** His [[ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan Ultimate Universe Counterpart]] is much the same. The man was originally only interested in patenting the Oz formula and making millions for replacing the Super Soldier Serum that created Captain America, but after his first arrest at the hands of Nick Fury and Spider-Man (and subsequent imprisonment) he started to shift his focus to revenge on Fury by destroying his career. After ''that'' was foiled enough times by Spider-Man, Norman changed gears again and focused everything on killing Peter. In fairness, it's shown through a first-person glance through his eyes that the Oz did some... ''[[HearingVoices interesting]]'' [[{{Hallucinations}} things]] to his sanity.
** Though during Dark Reign, he kept his eye on the ball and had taken over Fury's job.
** Although even through that, he kept up the petty obsession with Spider-Man, he just had more resources to help him bear down on it. For instance, when working through his "List" of obstacles to take care of, he saved Spider-Man for last. Not because Spidey was any great threat (at least, no more so than any other individual hero), but because he wanted to give himself a "reward" for finishing the other items on the list.
** There was even a ComicBook/WhatIf story where Norman possessed the Infinity Gauntlet, giving him omnipotence. While he did rule the world with his new powers, his main priorities were, rather pathetically: 1) [[EvilIsPetty trapping Spider-Man in a time loop, forcing him to relive Gwen Stacey's death over and over;]] and 2) bringing his hated, abusive father back from the dead to gloat over how [[WellDoneSonGuy he finally made something of himself.]] When Norman's father [[JerkassHasAPoint rightly dubbed him a monster]] and refused to give him the respect Norman desperately craved, Norman spitefully erased the old man from existence, [[PuffOfLogic only to realize too late what would happen to him as a result.]]
** His [[ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan Ultimate Universe Counterpart]] is much the same. The man was originally only interested in patenting the Oz formula and making millions for replacing the Super Soldier Serum that created Captain America, but after his first arrest at the hands of Nick Fury and Spider-Man (and subsequent imprisonment) he started to shift his focus to revenge on Fury by destroying his career. After ''that'' was foiled enough times by Spider-Man, Norman changed gears again and focused everything on killing Peter. In fairness, it's shown through a first-person glance through his eyes that the Oz did some... ''[[HearingVoices interesting]]'' [[{{Hallucinations}} things]] to his sanity.
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* This is canon and justified for the Crucible in ''Comicbook/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic''. The organization was created by one of the ancient Sith Lords to capture and train slave-soldiers for his armies, but by the time of the comics he's been dead and gone for centuries and the Crucible's only purpose for its crimes now is to perpetuate itself.
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* This is canon and justified for the Crucible in ''Comicbook/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic''.''ComicBook/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic''. The organization was created by one of the ancient Sith Lords to capture and train slave-soldiers for his armies, but by the time of the comics he's been dead and gone for centuries and the Crucible's only purpose for its crimes now is to perpetuate itself.
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* Subverted by the Shocker, a charter member of Spider-Man's RoguesGallery. All he really wants is to make a dishonest buck, and he otherwise doesn't really care about Spider-Man. The problem is that keeps running into Spider-Man over and over and ''over'' again every time he tries to commit a robbery or a hired killing...
** Another subversion comes from the Beetle, an enemy of Spider-Man and the [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Human Torch]]. While he first sets out to get revenge on both of them, his defeats made the Beetle realize that revenge was a sucker's game and he resolved to only stick to straight crime. When the Kingpin's [[TheDragon Arranger]] tried to hire him to kill Spidey, the Beetle flat-out refused... but the Arranger set up a situation where the Beetle ended up fighting Spidey anyway.
** Another subversion comes from the Beetle, an enemy of Spider-Man and the [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Human Torch]]. While he first sets out to get revenge on both of them, his defeats made the Beetle realize that revenge was a sucker's game and he resolved to only stick to straight crime. When the Kingpin's [[TheDragon Arranger]] tried to hire him to kill Spidey, the Beetle flat-out refused... but the Arranger set up a situation where the Beetle ended up fighting Spidey anyway.
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* Minor Franchise/{{Batman}} villain Black Spider began as a high-tech vigilante who was targeting drug dealers. His origin revealed that he had been a junkie who had robbed a liquor store to score money for drugs, and killed the owner who turned out to be his father. After being arrested, he cleans himself up and declares war on the drug trade. At the end of his debut story, it was revealed the mysterious benefactor who supplied his high-tech weaponry was a drug lord who was using Black Spider to remove his competition. Later appearances tended to use Black Spider as a hitman, without any mention of his hatred of the drug trade.
* Most Franchise/{{Batman}} villains abandon their initial drive for an obsessive personal vendetta against Batman. In some stories, Batman actively encourages this, because keeping their hate focused on him means they're not going after innocent people.
* Most Franchise/{{Batman}} villains abandon their initial drive for an obsessive personal vendetta against Batman. In some stories, Batman actively encourages this, because keeping their hate focused on him means they're not going after innocent people.
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* Minor Franchise/{{Batman}} ComicBook/{{Batman}} villain Black Spider began as a high-tech vigilante who was targeting drug dealers. His origin revealed that he had been a junkie who had robbed a liquor store to score money for drugs, and killed the owner who turned out to be his father. After being arrested, he cleans himself up and declares war on the drug trade. At the end of his debut story, it was revealed the mysterious benefactor who supplied his high-tech weaponry was a drug lord who was using Black Spider to remove his competition. Later appearances tended to use Black Spider as a hitman, without any mention of his hatred of the drug trade.
* MostFranchise/{{Batman}} ComicBook/{{Batman}} villains abandon their initial drive for an obsessive personal vendetta against Batman. In some stories, Batman actively encourages this, because keeping their hate focused on him means they're not going after innocent people.
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* ''Franchise/TheFlash:'' A pretty impressive and rapid case of decay with the villain Paradox, whose initial motivation was to try and get back to his family after a Flash-related incident sucked him out of the multiverse. He accomplishes that, but the energies he's been exposed to have made him a hulking monster, which scares his family. So the next thing he does is wind up in the 25th century, where his first thought is to... try and conquer the place. Possibly justified since it's shown that even ''before'' this happened to him, this guy wasn't playing with a full deck of cards.
* The Spider-Man villain Slyde is a rather tragic example. Originally chemist Jalome Beecham created a non-stick coating, but was fired from his job by a CorruptCorporateExecutive before he could market it. Deciding to [[StartMyOwn start his own]] business and market it himself, he created a costumed identity covered with said coating so he could rob banks (since they wouldn't give him a loan). However he wasn't really that evil [[note]] He was happy when some policemen who crashed their car trying to catch him were okay and he even admits privately he plans to "trash the suit" and live a normal life when he gets all the money he needs.[[/note]] and Spidey did save him when his Jerkass boss tried to have him killed. In his later appearances, he's treated as just a regular supervillain, even joining the Masters of Evil, whose goal was affect the world's weather patterns, which would not help his goal in the slightest.[[note]] Although he did show some instances of EvilFeelsGood even in his debut, where he admitted the criminal life had advantages, and he did double cross the district attorney he made a deal with. [[/note]] Perhaps if he had stuck to his original goal, not only would his brother not have been killed by the Hand after adopting his identity while he was in prison, but he wouldn't have been killed by Hammerhead as an example when he refused to join his supervillain group during the ComicBook/{{Civil War|2006}}.
* The Spider-Man villain Slyde is a rather tragic example. Originally chemist Jalome Beecham created a non-stick coating, but was fired from his job by a CorruptCorporateExecutive before he could market it. Deciding to [[StartMyOwn start his own]] business and market it himself, he created a costumed identity covered with said coating so he could rob banks (since they wouldn't give him a loan). However he wasn't really that evil [[note]] He was happy when some policemen who crashed their car trying to catch him were okay and he even admits privately he plans to "trash the suit" and live a normal life when he gets all the money he needs.[[/note]] and Spidey did save him when his Jerkass boss tried to have him killed. In his later appearances, he's treated as just a regular supervillain, even joining the Masters of Evil, whose goal was affect the world's weather patterns, which would not help his goal in the slightest.[[note]] Although he did show some instances of EvilFeelsGood even in his debut, where he admitted the criminal life had advantages, and he did double cross the district attorney he made a deal with. [[/note]] Perhaps if he had stuck to his original goal, not only would his brother not have been killed by the Hand after adopting his identity while he was in prison, but he wouldn't have been killed by Hammerhead as an example when he refused to join his supervillain group during the ComicBook/{{Civil War|2006}}.
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* ''Franchise/TheFlash:'' ''ComicBook/TheFlash:'' A pretty impressive and rapid case of decay with the villain Paradox, whose initial motivation was to try and get back to his family after a Flash-related incident sucked him out of the multiverse. He accomplishes that, but the energies he's been exposed to have made him a hulking monster, which scares his family. So the next thing he does is wind up in the 25th century, where his first thought is to... try and conquer the place. Possibly justified since it's shown that even ''before'' this happened to him, this guy wasn't playing with a full deck of cards. \n* The Spider-Man villain Slyde is a rather tragic example. Originally chemist Jalome Beecham created a non-stick coating, but was fired from his job by a CorruptCorporateExecutive before he could market it. Deciding to [[StartMyOwn start his own]] business and market it himself, he created a costumed identity covered with said coating so he could rob banks (since they wouldn't give him a loan). However he wasn't really that evil [[note]] He was happy when some policemen who crashed their car trying to catch him were okay and he even admits privately he plans to "trash the suit" and live a normal life when he gets all the money he needs.[[/note]] and Spidey did save him when his Jerkass boss tried to have him killed. In his later appearances, he's treated as just a regular supervillain, even joining the Masters of Evil, whose goal was affect the world's weather patterns, which would not help his goal in the slightest.[[note]] Although he did show some instances of EvilFeelsGood even in his debut, where he admitted the criminal life had advantages, and he did double cross the district attorney he made a deal with. [[/note]] Perhaps if he had stuck to his original goal, not only would his brother not have been killed by the Hand after adopting his identity while he was in prison, but he wouldn't have been killed by Hammerhead as an example when he refused to join his supervillain group during the ComicBook/{{Civil War|2006}}.
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** There was one comic where Ock had a rival who'd stolen his design for the arms. There was a three-way battle between Ock, Spidey, and the rival in a hotel, and when the rival took out some support columns Spidey tried to get people out. Ock braced the falling ceiling and got people out - but then let it fall on Spidey and went off to get at that rival. He never lost sight of his objective and went into "get Spider-Man 'cause I'm a bad guy and that's what bad guys do!" mode. It seems he's gotten out of this. Of course, he'll be back ''again,'' and will need a reason.
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*** In ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManJMichaelStraczynski'', Doc Ock had a rival who'd stolen his design for the arms. There was a three-way battle between Ock, Spidey, and the rival in a hotel, and when the rival took out some support columns Spidey tried to get people out. Ock braced the falling ceiling and got people out - but then let it fall on Spidey and went off to get at that rival. He never lost sight of his objective and went into "get Spider-Man 'cause I'm a bad guy and that's what bad guys do!" mode. It seems he's gotten out of this. Of course, he'll be back ''again,'' and will need a
** ComicBook/GreenGoblin's early motives were to become New York's crime lord, humiliating Spider-Man, and then after being hit with EasyAmnesia, he goes dormant, resurfaces to murder Gwen Stacy, goes underground in Europe, and plots ComicBook/TheCloneSaga [[MissingStepsPlan for, profit?]] and then since returning, he has become even more erratic than usual.
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** Winged Victory's ArchEnemy, Karnazon. According to Winged Victory he used to be a VisionaryVillain who planned grand schemes such as robbing Fort Knox, but eventually flanderized himself into a one-note chauvinistic JerkAss who only cared about proving the superiority of men over women, just to needle her.
** The Chessmen were a group who originally performed chess-themed crimes in their chess-themed armor. Over the decades, as turnover occurred, they decayed into just a typical [[GangOfHats group of thugs with flamboyant outfits.]]
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** Aaand following the ''re''-reboot, and his memories of the original Titans returning, he hates them again. Although his motive in targeting them isn't simple revenge [[spoiler: it's altering time to get Grant back]].
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* Averted at the end of ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis: ''ComicBook/LegionOfThreeWorlds'' with [[spoiler: ''[[Characters/SupermanSuperboyPrime Superboy-Prime]]''. He finally manages to get back home to Earth Prime but, at the end of the story, he wants to go back to the DC Universe(s). This is because Earth Prime is essentially ''our'' Earth, complete with DC books; Prime forgot that people can just pick up a book with him in it and see what a sociopath he is. As a result, everyone on his Earth knows he's a maniac, he lost his girlfriend (and either killed her or beat her up savagely), and his parents are dead fucking afraid of him; the reason he wants to go back is because at least in the Multiverse, Prime had superpowers]].
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* Averted at the end of ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis: ''ComicBook/LegionOfThreeWorlds'' ComicBook/LegionOfThreeWorlds'' with [[spoiler: ''[[Characters/SupermanSuperboyPrime Superboy-Prime]]''. He finally manages to get back home to Earth Prime but, at the end of the story, he wants to go back to the DC Universe(s). This is because Earth Prime is essentially ''our'' Earth, complete with DC books; Prime forgot that people can just pick up a book with him in it and see what a sociopath he is. As a result, everyone on his Earth knows he's a maniac, he lost his girlfriend (and either killed her or beat her up savagely), and his parents are dead fucking afraid of him; the reason he wants to go back is because at least in the Multiverse, Prime had superpowers]].superpowers.
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** A painful variant occurs in the 2018 Doctor Doom (self titled) run, Doctor Doom solves a conspiracy to have him framed, taken out of the picture, and has a chance to ''save the world'' [[spoiler: but a genuine encouragement from Reed Richards has him become paranoid that Reed is trying to lie to him, so he changes course and ends up destroying another reality]]
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** A painful variant occurs in the 2018 Doctor Doom (self titled) run, Doctor Doom solves a conspiracy to have him framed, taken out of the picture, and has a chance to ''save the world'' [[spoiler: but a genuine encouragement from Reed Richards has him become paranoid that Reed is trying to lie to him, so he changes course and ends up destroying another reality]]reality]].
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* ''ComicBook/TheUltimates2015:'' The team was initially founded with the aim of solving the "ultimate" problems, things on the scale of Galactus. Then ComicBook/CivilWarII happens, and the team start serving as little more than, in Blue Marvel's words "a SWAT team" for Captain Marvel, who strongly disagrees, claiming they're still focusing on problems (America Chavez "[[ChairmanOfTheBrawl disagrees]]" with that stance). Finally, at the end of the event the Black Panther publicly refuses to stand with Carol at all, outright telling her she'd ruined the team's initial purpose (absolutely no shade being cast on the team's portrayal in the event ''at all''...)
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* ''ComicBook/TheUltimates2015:'' The team was initially founded with the aim of solving the "ultimate" problems, things on the scale of Galactus. Then ComicBook/CivilWarII ''ComicBook/CivilWarII'' happens, and the team start serving as little more than, in Blue Marvel's words "a SWAT team" for Captain Marvel, who strongly disagrees, claiming they're still focusing on problems (America Chavez "[[ChairmanOfTheBrawl disagrees]]" with that stance). Finally, at the end of the event the Black Panther publicly refuses to stand with Carol at all, outright telling her she'd ruined the team's initial purpose (absolutely no shade being cast on the team's portrayal in the event ''at all''...)
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* The Spider-Man villain Slyde is a rather tragic example. Originally chemist Jalome Beecham created a non-stick coating, but was fired from his job by a CorruptCorporateExecutive before he could market it. Deciding to [[StartMyOwn start his own]] business and market it himself, he created a costumed identity covered with said coating so he could rob banks (since they wouldn't give him a loan). However he wasn't really that evil [[note]] He was happy when some policemen who crashed their car trying to catch him were okay and he even admits privately he plans to "trash the suit" and live a normal life when he gets all the money he needs.[[/note]] and Spidey did save him when his Jerkass boss tried to have him killed. In his later appearances, he's treated as just a regular supervillain, even joining the Masters of Evil, whose goal was affect the world's weather patterns, which would not help his goal in the slightest.[[note]] Although he did show some instances of EvilFeelsGood even in his debut, where he admitted the criminal life had advantages, and he did double cross the district attorney he made a deal with. [[/note]] Perhaps if he had stuck to his original goal, not only would his brother not have been killed by the Hand after adopting his identity while he was in prison, but he wouldn't have been killed by Hammerhead as an example when he refused to join his supervillain group during the ComicBook/CivilWar.
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* The Spider-Man villain Slyde is a rather tragic example. Originally chemist Jalome Beecham created a non-stick coating, but was fired from his job by a CorruptCorporateExecutive before he could market it. Deciding to [[StartMyOwn start his own]] business and market it himself, he created a costumed identity covered with said coating so he could rob banks (since they wouldn't give him a loan). However he wasn't really that evil [[note]] He was happy when some policemen who crashed their car trying to catch him were okay and he even admits privately he plans to "trash the suit" and live a normal life when he gets all the money he needs.[[/note]] and Spidey did save him when his Jerkass boss tried to have him killed. In his later appearances, he's treated as just a regular supervillain, even joining the Masters of Evil, whose goal was affect the world's weather patterns, which would not help his goal in the slightest.[[note]] Although he did show some instances of EvilFeelsGood even in his debut, where he admitted the criminal life had advantages, and he did double cross the district attorney he made a deal with. [[/note]] Perhaps if he had stuck to his original goal, not only would his brother not have been killed by the Hand after adopting his identity while he was in prison, but he wouldn't have been killed by Hammerhead as an example when he refused to join his supervillain group during the ComicBook/CivilWar.ComicBook/{{Civil War|2006}}.
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** A painful variant occurs in the 2018 Doctor Doom (self titled) run, Doctor Doom solves a conspiracy to have him framed, taken out of the picture, and has a chance to ''save the world'' [[spoiler: but a genuine encouragement from Reed Richards has him become paranoid that Reed is trying to lie to him, so he changes course and ends up destroying another reality]]
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** Though recently, he kept his eye on the ball and has taken over Fury's job.
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* Averted at the end of ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis: Legion of 3 Worlds'' with [[spoiler: Superboy Prime. He finally manages to get back home to Earth Prime but, at the end of the story, he wants to go back to the DC Universe(s). This is because Earth Prime is essentially ''our'' Earth, complete with DC books; Prime forgot that people can just pick up a book with him in it and see what a sociopath he is. As a result, everyone on his Earth knows he's a maniac, he lost his girlfriend (and either killed her or beat her up savagely), and his parents are dead fucking afraid of him; the reason he wants to go back is because at least in the Multiverse, Prime had superpowers]].
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* Averted at the end of ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis: Legion of 3 Worlds'' ''ComicBook/LegionOfThreeWorlds'' with [[spoiler: Superboy Prime.''[[Characters/SupermanSuperboyPrime Superboy-Prime]]''. He finally manages to get back home to Earth Prime but, at the end of the story, he wants to go back to the DC Universe(s). This is because Earth Prime is essentially ''our'' Earth, complete with DC books; Prime forgot that people can just pick up a book with him in it and see what a sociopath he is. As a result, everyone on his Earth knows he's a maniac, he lost his girlfriend (and either killed her or beat her up savagely), and his parents are dead fucking afraid of him; the reason he wants to go back is because at least in the Multiverse, Prime had superpowers]].
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** Zigzagged with Lex Luthor through the decades. In ''ComicBook/HowLuthorMetSuperboy'', ComicBook/{{Superboy}} put off a fire burning Lex's lab down, accidentally destroying his life-creating breakthrough experiment; Luthor convinced himself that Superboy deliberately destroyed his discovery out of jealousy and started hating him. The incident also caused Lex's baldness, but he considered it an added insult to the bigger injury. However, later stories like ''ComicBook/TheGirlWithTheXRayMind'' often only mentioned Lex's baldness as his hatred's source, giving birth to the "Pre-Crisis Luthor hated Superman because made him bald" myth. Post-Crisis stories tried to fight this by giving him other motivations: Superman showed Lex was not above the law by arresting him, Superman is more powerful than and cannot be controlled by Lex... Lex himself would tell you that he's doing it to prove to humanity that they don't need an alien savior and that when Superman is gone and humanity rules itself again (with Lex, as the smartest and best human, naturally in charge), he'll use his genius to cure cancer and rescue kitties and make the world wonderful. Superman countered that in ''ComicBook/SupermanUpUpAndAway'' by pointing out that he ''was'' gone for a year, and Lex spent those monthes plotting ways to kill Superman. Every time someone points that out, Lex responds by simply [[InsaneTrollLogic claiming that Superman has "ruined" him and ''turned'' him evil]]. ''ComicBook/AllStarSuperman'' gives Luthor's obsession another simple explanation: If it wasn't for Superman, Luthor would be running the planet.
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** Zigzagged with Lex Luthor through the decades. In ''ComicBook/HowLuthorMetSuperboy'', ComicBook/{{Superboy}} put off a fire burning Lex's lab down, accidentally destroying his life-creating breakthrough experiment; Luthor convinced himself that Superboy deliberately destroyed his discovery out of jealousy and started hating him. The incident also caused Lex's baldness, but he considered it an added insult to the bigger injury. However, later stories like ''ComicBook/TheGirlWithTheXRayMind'' often only mentioned Lex's baldness as his hatred's source, giving birth to the "Pre-Crisis Luthor hated Superman because made him bald" myth. Post-Crisis stories tried to fight this by giving him other motivations: Superman showed Lex was not above the law by arresting him, Superman is more powerful than and cannot be controlled by Lex... Lex himself would tell you that he's doing it to prove to humanity that they don't need an alien savior and that when Superman is gone and humanity rules itself again (with Lex, as the smartest and best human, naturally in charge), he'll use his genius to cure cancer and rescue kitties and make the world wonderful. Superman countered that in ''ComicBook/SupermanUpUpAndAway'' by pointing out that he ''was'' gone for a year, and Lex spent those monthes months plotting ways to kill Superman. Every time someone points that out, Lex responds by simply [[InsaneTrollLogic claiming that Superman has "ruined" him and ''turned'' him evil]]. ''ComicBook/AllStarSuperman'' gives Luthor's obsession another simple explanation: If it wasn't for Superman, Luthor would be running the planet.
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* Black Swan was introduced in ComicBook/JonathanHickmansAvengers as the last survivor of her universe, fully aware of the incursions that were destroying the multiverse. She took a strange view of events, seeing the event as the universe testing those who are worthy to survive, and was cryptic in regards to her goals. It's later revealed that her true goal was to find a universe where she could clone her family and be safe. To reach this goal, she aligned herself with whoever seemed like they might beat the incursions, until ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'', which resolved the incursions. After the story, and no longer being written exclusively by Jonathan Hickman, she appeared to still be working with Thanos when the Black Order try to claim the Ultimate Mjolnir, and later still is fighting alongside them in ''ComicBook/AvengersNoSurrender''. Why she's still working with Thanos is never explained, nor are her motivations for doing pretty much anything aside from getting on with cloning her family (or even just returning home, since Reed Richards fixed the multiverse).
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* Black Swan was introduced in ComicBook/JonathanHickmansAvengers ComicBook/TheAvengersJonathanHickman as the last survivor of her universe, fully aware of the incursions that were destroying the multiverse. She took a strange view of events, seeing the event as the universe testing those who are worthy to survive, and was cryptic in regards to her goals. It's later revealed that her true goal was to find a universe where she could clone her family and be safe. To reach this goal, she aligned herself with whoever seemed like they might beat the incursions, until ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'', which resolved the incursions. After the story, and no longer being written exclusively by Jonathan Hickman, she appeared to still be working with Thanos when the Black Order try to claim the Ultimate Mjolnir, and later still is fighting alongside them in ''ComicBook/AvengersNoSurrender''. Why she's still working with Thanos is never explained, nor are her motivations for doing pretty much anything aside from getting on with cloning her family (or even just returning home, since Reed Richards fixed the multiverse).
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* Similarly, in ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'', ComicBook/DoctorOctopus bobbed up and down from wanting to complete his life's work, world domination, petty thievery, and just wanting revenge on Spidey for past humiliation. Usually excused by the fact that the accident made him plumb crazy, and the [[AIIsACrapshoot AI in his arms was screwing with him]]. Plus his short foray into trying to cure AIDS! To be fair, in-universe it was believed that he was trying to create some form of biological weapon. Only the readers knew that he was searching for a cure purely to save [[spoiler: his first love.]]
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** ComicBook/DoctorOctopus bobbed up and down from wanting to complete his life's work, world domination, petty thievery, and just wanting revenge on Spidey for past humiliation. Usually excused by the fact that the accident made him plumb crazy, and the [[AIIsACrapshoot AI in his arms was screwing with him]]. Plus his short foray into trying to cure AIDS! To be fair, in-universe it was believed that he was trying to create some form of biological weapon. Only the readers knew that he was searching for a cure purely to save [[spoiler: his first love.]]
** ComicBook/DoctorOctopus bobbed up and down from wanting to complete his life's work, world domination, petty thievery, and just wanting revenge on Spidey for past humiliation. Usually excused by the fact that the accident made him plumb crazy, and the [[AIIsACrapshoot AI in his arms was screwing with him]]. Plus his short foray into trying to cure AIDS! To be fair, in-universe it was believed that he was trying to create some form of biological weapon. Only the readers knew that he was searching for a cure purely to save [[spoiler: his first love.]]
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** Silver Banshee originally came to Metropolis from Scotland to retrieve a book that was [[DealWithTheDevil payment for her powers]]. Eventually she got the book, was dragged into the underworld, brought back, and promptly vanished. Now whenever she appears she causes random problems for no real reason.
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** Silver Banshee originally came to Metropolis from Scotland to retrieve a book that was [[DealWithTheDevil payment for her powers]]. Eventually she got the book, was dragged into the underworld, brought back, and promptly vanished. Now Since then, whenever she appears appeared she causes caused random problems for no real reason.reason. ''ComicBook/DeathAndTheFamily'' tried to fix this by retconning her backstory: she was questing for her clan's seven heirlooms to undo the curse which had turned her into a banshee.
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* DC villain Extant, formerly Hawk of ''ComicBook/HawkAndDove'', turned evil because Dove, his soulmate was killed, making him become the time-travelling dictator Monarch (long story: Originally, the plot of ''Armageddon: 2001'' was that Captain Atom would become Monarch. When this was spoiled, the writers did a last-minute alteration). By the time he became Extant in ''Zero Hour'', the idea of resurrecting Dove had been completely forgotten, and he's working for Parallax to destroy the universe because... uh... because? In his return in ''[[ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica JSA]]'', he's still out to destroy the universe, thought by now he's remembered resurrecting Dove is also on the agenda (''after'' he takes over the universe, obviously). Then he does resurrect her. And having gone insane, he locks her up in a dungeon and forgets she was ever there.
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* Recurring ''Comicbook/TeenTitans'' character ComicBook/{{Deathstroke}} the Terminator a.k.a. Slade Wilson started out as a [[HitmanWithAHeart ruthless, though not unscrupulous assassin]] who honestly didn't have any great animosity towards the team and originally only came into conflict with them as part of fulfilling a contract that his son died trying to complete. When he dropped the contract he actually became rather amiable towards his former targets, actually counseled grief-stricken members of the team on occasion, and teamed up with them fairly regularly. While his relationship with the team eventually went sour again, it really doesn't explain him suddenly becoming a CardCarryingVillain and doing things like injecting his only surviving child with a PsychoSerum and implanting a [[GreenRocks chunk of radioactive kryptonite in her eye socket]] and nuking Bludhaven to spite Nightwing (a character he had previously had a lot of respect for). When pressed for a reason why he'd become such a monster his only answer was because he blamed Nightwing and the Titans for all the loss he's experienced in life, namely his children dying/abandoning him, despite the fact that it had been established that his sons had died under circumstances out of both the Titans' and Slade's control and his daughter abandoning him was unquestionably his fault. Since then, Deathstroke has engaged in nothing but wanton villainy. Nightwing actually calls him on all of this.
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* Recurring ''Comicbook/TeenTitans'' ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'' character ComicBook/{{Deathstroke}} the Terminator a.k.a. Slade Wilson started out as a [[HitmanWithAHeart ruthless, though not unscrupulous assassin]] who honestly didn't have any great animosity towards the team and originally only came into conflict with them as part of fulfilling a contract that his son died trying to complete. When he dropped the contract he actually became rather amiable towards his former targets, actually counseled grief-stricken members of the team on occasion, and teamed up with them fairly regularly. While his relationship with the team eventually went sour again, it really doesn't explain him suddenly becoming a CardCarryingVillain and doing things like injecting his only surviving child with a PsychoSerum and implanting a [[GreenRocks chunk of radioactive kryptonite in her eye socket]] and nuking Bludhaven to spite Nightwing (a character he had previously had a lot of respect for). When pressed for a reason why he'd become such a monster his only answer was because he blamed Nightwing and the Titans for all the loss he's experienced in life, namely his children dying/abandoning him, despite the fact that it had been established that his sons had died under circumstances out of both the Titans' and Slade's control and his daughter abandoning him was unquestionably his fault. Since then, Deathstroke has engaged in nothing but wanton villainy. Nightwing actually calls him on all of this.
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* Similarly, in ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'', [[ComicBook/DoctorOctopus Doc Ock]] bobbed up and down from wanting to complete his life's work, world domination, petty thievery, and just wanting revenge on Spidey for past humiliation. Usually excused by the fact that the accident made him plumb crazy, and the [[AIIsACrapshoot AI in his arms was screwing with him]]. Plus his short foray into trying to cure AIDS! To be fair, in-universe it was believed that he was trying to create some form of biological weapon. Only the readers knew that he was searching for a cure purely to save [[spoiler: his first love.]]
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* Similarly, in ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'', [[ComicBook/DoctorOctopus Doc Ock]] ComicBook/DoctorOctopus bobbed up and down from wanting to complete his life's work, world domination, petty thievery, and just wanting revenge on Spidey for past humiliation. Usually excused by the fact that the accident made him plumb crazy, and the [[AIIsACrapshoot AI in his arms was screwing with him]]. Plus his short foray into trying to cure AIDS! To be fair, in-universe it was believed that he was trying to create some form of biological weapon. Only the readers knew that he was searching for a cure purely to save [[spoiler: his first love.]]
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* In a rare positive version of this trope, ComicBook/LexLuthor, ''{{Superman}}'''s ArchEnemy, started out wanting revenge on the Man of Steel for making him bald (yes, really. This happened in UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}}, when goofy motivations abounded...) even though it was also because Superman accidentally destroyed his lab as well as the lifeform he created which Luthor attributed to jealousy. Nobody complained much when this motive decayed away, even though none of its replacement motives for being Superman's nemesis are as clear-cut. Lex himself would tell you that he's doing it to prove to humanity that they don't need an alien savior and that when Superman is gone and humanity rules itself again (with Lex, as the smartest and best human, naturally in charge), he'll [[ReedRichardsIsUseless use his genius to cure cancer]] and rescue kitties and make the world wonderful. Superman would counter that by pointing out that he ''was'' gone, [[ComicBook/FiftyTwo for a year]] (and until he came back, it seemed like he'd be gone forever), and Lex spent the year... plotting ways to kill Superman.
** If someone ever points that out, Lex will respond by simply [[InsaneTrollLogic claiming that Superman has "ruined" him and ''turned'' him evil]]. This is pretty consistent with Lex's general NeverMyFault attitude.
** Creator/GrantMorrison's ''[[ComicBook/AllStarSuperman All-Star Superman]]'' gives Luthor's obsession with beating the Man of Steel a simple explanation that in hindsight makes complete sense: If it wasn't for Superman, Luthor would be running the planet.
* Another ''{{Franchise/Superman}}'' villain, the Silver Banshee. Originally she came to Metropolis from Scotland to retrieve a book that was [[DealWithTheDevil payment for her powers]]. Eventually she got the book, was dragged into the underworld, brought back, and promptly vanished. Now whenever she appears she causes random problems for no real reason.
** When she guested on the ''Series/{{Smallville}}'' episode ''Escape'', Clark points out that the people who wronged her have been dead for over a hundred years, so her revenge is already complete, and that her killing random people doesn't accomplish anything. She answers, "Maybe, but it makes me feel a whole lot better." [[AxeCrazy Then she attacks him.]]
** If someone ever points that out, Lex will respond by simply [[InsaneTrollLogic claiming that Superman has "ruined" him and ''turned'' him evil]]. This is pretty consistent with Lex's general NeverMyFault attitude.
** Creator/GrantMorrison's ''[[ComicBook/AllStarSuperman All-Star Superman]]'' gives Luthor's obsession with beating the Man of Steel a simple explanation that in hindsight makes complete sense: If it wasn't for Superman, Luthor would be running the planet.
* Another ''{{Franchise/Superman}}'' villain, the Silver Banshee. Originally she came to Metropolis from Scotland to retrieve a book that was [[DealWithTheDevil payment for her powers]]. Eventually she got the book, was dragged into the underworld, brought back, and promptly vanished. Now whenever she appears she causes random problems for no real reason.
** When she guested on the ''Series/{{Smallville}}'' episode ''Escape'', Clark points out that the people who wronged her have been dead for over a hundred years, so her revenge is already complete, and that her killing random people doesn't accomplish anything. She answers, "Maybe, but it makes me feel a whole lot better." [[AxeCrazy Then she attacks him.]]
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* In a rare positive version of this trope, ComicBook/LexLuthor, ''{{Superman}}'''s ArchEnemy, started out wanting revenge on ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'':
** Zigzagged with Lex Luthor through theMan of Steel for making him bald (yes, really. This happened in UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}}, when goofy motivations abounded...) even though it was also because Superman decades. In ''ComicBook/HowLuthorMetSuperboy'', ComicBook/{{Superboy}} put off a fire burning Lex's lab down, accidentally destroying his life-creating breakthrough experiment; Luthor convinced himself that Superboy deliberately destroyed his lab as well as discovery out of jealousy and started hating him. The incident also caused Lex's baldness, but he considered it an added insult to the lifeform he created which bigger injury. However, later stories like ''ComicBook/TheGirlWithTheXRayMind'' often only mentioned Lex's baldness as his hatred's source, giving birth to the "Pre-Crisis Luthor attributed hated Superman because made him bald" myth. Post-Crisis stories tried to jealousy. Nobody complained much when fight this motive decayed away, even though none of its replacement motives for being Superman's nemesis are as clear-cut. by giving him other motivations: Superman showed Lex was not above the law by arresting him, Superman is more powerful than and cannot be controlled by Lex... Lex himself would tell you that he's doing it to prove to humanity that they don't need an alien savior and that when Superman is gone and humanity rules itself again (with Lex, as the smartest and best human, naturally in charge), he'll [[ReedRichardsIsUseless use his genius to cure cancer]] cancer and rescue kitties and make the world wonderful. Superman would counter countered that in ''ComicBook/SupermanUpUpAndAway'' by pointing out that he ''was'' gone, [[ComicBook/FiftyTwo gone for a year]] (and until he came back, it seemed like he'd be gone forever), year, and Lex spent the year... those monthes plotting ways to kill Superman.
** IfSuperman. Every time someone ever points that out, Lex will respond responds by simply [[InsaneTrollLogic claiming that Superman has "ruined" him and ''turned'' him evil]]. This is pretty consistent with Lex's general NeverMyFault attitude.
** Creator/GrantMorrison's ''[[ComicBook/AllStarSuperman All-Star Superman]]''''ComicBook/AllStarSuperman'' gives Luthor's obsession with beating the Man of Steel a another simple explanation that in hindsight makes complete sense: explanation: If it wasn't for Superman, Luthor would be running the planet.
* Another ''{{Franchise/Superman}}'' villain, the ** Silver Banshee. Originally she Banshee originally came to Metropolis from Scotland to retrieve a book that was [[DealWithTheDevil payment for her powers]]. Eventually she got the book, was dragged into the underworld, brought back, and promptly vanished. Now whenever she appears she causes random problems for no real reason.
** When she guested on the ''Series/{{Smallville}}'' episode ''Escape'', Clark points out that the people who wronged her have been dead for over a hundred years, so her revenge is already complete, and that her killing random people doesn't accomplish anything. She answers, "Maybe, but it makes me feel a whole lot better." [[AxeCrazy Then she attacks him.]]reason.
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** Creator/GrantMorrison's ''[[ComicBook/AllStarSuperman All-Star Superman]]''
** When she guested on the ''Series/{{Smallville}}'' episode ''Escape'', Clark points out that the people who wronged her have been dead for over a hundred years, so her revenge is already complete, and that her killing random people doesn't accomplish anything. She answers, "Maybe, but it makes me feel a whole lot better." [[AxeCrazy Then she attacks him.]]
